Previously critically acclaimed and/or successful acts who are already being written out of attempts at '10s canon-building

Reading a lot of decade retrospectives right now and there appears to be a quiet, maybe unmentioned consensus that the critical hosannas handed out to 'Random Access Memories' were a huge mistake. Migos seem to be conspicuous by their absence as well.

UK lists appear to have had collective amnesia about pretty much any black British records or scenes that appeared prior to the release of 'That's Not Me'. What else is being collectively written out?

All dubstep, almost all EDM, basically anything I found on hypemachine, not that it got that much critical acclamation in the first place.

looking back at old pitchfork lists, kanye has really had a fall from grace. who listens to "Otis" or "Niggas in Paris" in 2019?

the biggest one is surely tune-yards

If so it's a shame as she's been consistently brilliant.

SReynolds just did a big retrospective piece about trap's domination of the 2010s with Migos referenced heavily throughout. I guess their importance depends on which musical lense you view them through. Still think Culture is one of the best albums of the decade, but then I don't encounter much actual trap in the wild, because of my a/s/l

I'm not sure Kanye's recent missteps have really dented the reputation of MBDTF or Yeezus very much. Likewise EDM was never cool in the first place (although there have been some respectful Avicii articles in recent weeks) and the reputation of Skrillex has if anything improved.

Straight-ahead dubstep was more of a 00s thing really but it does appear to have been cast aside in the rush to heap plaudits on Ben UFO/Hessle Audio and later Hyberdub, yeah.

not looked at many lists but anyone talking about footwork in these things? save for jlin and Rasharkin ofc

Yes they are, and 'Double Cup' in particular is being rated very highly.

I think people might have cooled a bit on trap in general, momentarily? Hopefully, once the dust settles, Culture will be seen for the masterwork it is.

Tune-yards is weird. Her whole thing was always controversial, and she did drop the most unique and experimental aspects of her sound after whokill. Her next albums never sounded as out there, while still being politically... an acquired taste. But hopefully the music will be rediscovered. Seeing her live in 2012 was one of the best live shows I saw this decade.

xxp Rasharkin? What the hell, phone? Rashad, obvs.

It does feel like trap peaked around 2015-2017, with Rae Sremmurd and Migos releasing their overlong, not-as-good-as-the-previous-album New Jerseys at roughly the same time

but, i mean, it's not even that long ago..

I take it Merriweather PP is placing, but what about later Animal Collective and later projects?

*sigh* I miss the days when I used to like that band. I can't listen to them at all any more.

mpp was 09 and nothing they've done since has been that acclaimed

haaa of course it was.

didn’t we just do a thread about this not too long ago?

Artists/bands that were once quite popular, yet nowadays are mostly ignored in canonical history books

We're talking about this decade and the canon-building that is taking place now, so no, that's not the same discussion.

Well then. Carry on.

the @arielxpink erasure from the albums of the decade list gets funnier the more I think about it pic.twitter.com/u4xfCmLIvw

— brentwurst 🌹 (@brentrockafella) October 10, 2019

Before Today got a 9??? That's ridiculous.

I don't think I've ever heard an Ariel Pink song.

Lol, yeah, Ariel Pink is a good one. Also, Benji. People really went 'yeah, that was a bad idea, sorry for encouraging him'.

I like his early album 'Worn Copy' which was all done on a really cheap multitracker in his basement and really did sound like a lo-fi relic several years before the whole retro vaporwave craze blew up. Later he formed a band and started making 'proper music' and came out as a totally conceited incel dickhead and the magic was somewhat ruined

I liked Benji at the time but hadn't and still haven't heard a note by Kozelek outside of that. He also strikes me as a massive prick.
I really liked the Swans albums I bought in the 2010s and thought they were amazing live, but I can't listen to that band any more.

'The Doldrums' still a top 10 record of the century for me, probably, but Later he formed a band and started making 'proper music' and came out as a totally conceited incel dickhead and the magic was somewhat ruined this is completely otm. Woeful live performances also not helping.

Thread is good but FUCK "IMPORTANCE"

And tbh god help anybody who was listening to shite like Ariel Pod in the fust place

I don't have much to add to this thread yet but seeing the bloom come off of Random Access Memories fills me with so much joy

same

Do Discovery next pls.

Yeah ILX needs a thread for people to be iconclastic

Just one?

James Ferrro's Far Side Virtual hasn't appeared on anything as far as I can see

Random Access Memories was the weirdest damn thing, so many people who were unaware or barely aware of Daft Punk when they were A Thing suddenly being super into them a decade after the fact. I still have never sat and listened to the album all the way through but I'm certain I'm familiar with every song on it. Or was familiar before forgetting about the album completely until this revive.

I'm still seeing Random Access Memories feature a lot in these lists. Maybe not as high as once expected, but I'm not convinced people have done a complete u-turn on it yet.

I feel like as we went into the decade Hot Chip were still a huge deal critically, but I haven't seen them pop up in a single list. In Our Heads or One Life Stand deserve a place IMO. They're both aging better than This Is Happening which I'm surprised to see is still rated so highly. No sign of American Dream though.

Yeah the world needs more shitty Elvis Costello faux dance acts

Haha, I'll always have a soft spot for them.

Check out Daft Punk's new single "Get Lucky" if you get the chance. Sound of the summer.

— twitch.tv/Limmy (@DaftLimmy) October 18, 2019

One thing that Ariel Pink and Daft Punk have in common is the acclaim for those records was at least partially retroactive acclaim for their work/influence in the previous decade.

Random Access Memories was the weirdest damn thing, so many people who were unaware or barely aware of Daft Punk when they were A Thing suddenly being super into them a decade after the fact.

Daft Punk were in a pretty unique position, not only did they have that 2007 live album/tour which made them seem better than they actually were but there were also a lot of popular new EDM acts like Justice & Skrillex that were citing Daft Punk as a major influence. they seemed relevant in a way that say, The Prodigy or Underworld or even The Chemical Brothers really weren't anymore

Santigold seemed "critically important" for a minute but looking at the timeline it seems like the height of that was late 00s rather than 10s. So far everything I think of for this category turns out to be 00s, which I guess is a sign of aging and how fast time passes.

Critics are wrong more often than not when they try to pick *NEW IMPORTANT ARTISTS* imo, because the hallmarks of importance don't have much to do with what's good.

was at least partially retroactive acclaim for their work/influence in the previous decade

If Daft Punk and Ariel Pink have this in common then so does anyone

The only thing they have in common for me is that two third of their output this decade I have no desire to listen to again but the other half remains good to great

FTR
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I will be shocked if Get Lucky is this summer's song -- it sounds like a cover of itself by a really tight wedding band.

― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:57 AM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

I just realized this record reminds me a lot of the first Lionel Richie record, and I don't think it compares favorably.

― i don't even have an internet (Hurting 2), Sunday, June 2, 2013 4:16 PM (six years ago) bookmarkflaglink

but the other half remains good to great

other third!

Was 'One More Time' not a huge huge hit in the US? Seems like that was the big mainstream crossover household name choooon that broke them over here

Never liked it, and it actively put me off listening to Discovery for a long time

I think One More Time was a minor hit in the US -- I def remember hearing it, seeing it on MTV, but I don't think it was ubiquitous

yeah I remember seeing the video a few times but iirc people got sick of it pretty fast

"Harder Faster Better Stronger" was the big one, maybe cuz it was a bit more gimmicky while still being pretty great. I remember sites like YTMND & Ebaums using that tune a lot which in retrospect was not exactly insignificant

My 13-year old son is a big fan of Random Access Memories, and he didn't get it from me. Based on this, I predict Daft Punk will be rehabilitated by the zoomer generation!

The recent Aphex I find myself reaching for most often is Computer Controlled Acoustic Instruments.

Syro is my favorite Aphex ever, Computer Controlled Acoustic Instruments Pt 2 is close behind

My 13-year old son is a big fan of Random Access Memories, and he didn't get it from me. Based on this, I predict Daft Punk will be rehabilitated by the zoomer generation!

― Johan Lif, Monday, December 16, 2019 5:36 PM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

basically what previously happened with the redditor subset of the millennial generation

(them and/or kanye)

big boi - Sir Lucious Left Foot: The Son of Chico Dusty

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Friday, December 6, 2019 12:27 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

Much better record than anything Drake or Kanye did this decade imo

That was is a bit strange because Outkast seemed to have a sort of resurgence this decade.

i like how literally every single album mentioned itt came out in 2007-09

That is literally the worst abuse of the word literally I have ever seen.

thanks thread for getting me to revisit syro which sounds way more wonderful to me rn than it did when it came out

Can we skip ahead to an AFX ILM ballot poll in 2020 or do we have to wait until 2022 at our current pace?

Cheetah is very beautiful sounding also.

Interesting thread, honestly. I’ve been less struck by “vanishing canon” and more caught up in a new “emo extremely matters” movement of the past five years, bands I skipped in the 2000s revealing themselves to be hugely popular/influential.

In terms of “vanishing canon” I’m still sore that Max Tundra/Blechdoms/Kid 606 (all 2000s, not 2010s) seemed to be erased from having any modern day resonance but nerds lose the game in the end I guess; still listen regularly to those records

I always assumed no one took Kid606 seriously even back in the day, but I guess that was mostly because of the ridiculous record and track titles.

I also think the emo thing is interesting bc it’s a scene I know nothing about. Though I just learned a couple days ago about the FACGCE tuning which I think is very cool & might be a window for me to explore that more

Kid606’s we love you mark bell thing from a few years back was pretty good, chill detroit-y, electro-y stuff

I still rather enjoy role model by Cex

In terms of “vanishing canon” I’m still sore that Max Tundra/Blechdoms/Kid 606 (all 2000s, not 2010s) seemed to be erased from having any modern day resonance but nerds lose the game in the end I guess; still listen regularly to those records

― kelis navidad (flamboyant goon tie included)

max tundra was really involved in last year's daphne and celeste record, and that one was great!

a decade ago in the middle of mp3 blogs & meticulous jaxon-style ilx threads i thought, like, everything wd be corrected by the passage of time, all these souljazz reissues & obscurities being uncovered ... now it feels like the opposite is happening, just completely awash in content

what was the name of that band that ripped off led zep that everyone was talking about like a year or two ago

Greta van fleet?

https://loudwire.com/greta-van-fleet-interview-breakout-artist-decade/

At the end of 2009 it looked like Girls was poised to be the next Big Indie Rock Thing, and judging by these decade lists that definitely didn't happen. I still rate Album very highly

well they broke up after their second album which was maybe even more acclaimed than the first and then the main guy went on to make some kinda strange solo albums

How is War on Drugs' stock these days?

boring

i’m so glad girls didn’t happen, one of the worst bands in recent memory. their second album is on the pfork decade list regardless though

Greta van fleet?

Are about to open for Metallica.

Damn surprised you hate Girls so much Brad. I kinda liked the first album, like Elvis Costello as performed by Jesse camp

Not sure which canon Greta Van Fleet is being written out of. One that includes Daughtry maybe

like Elvis Costello as performed by Jesse camp

ouch

At the end of 2009 it looked like Girls was poised to be the next Big Indie Rock Thing, and judging by these decade lists that definitely didn't happen. I still rate Album very highly

― Paul Ponzi

i thought they went on to form viet cong but it turns out i was thinking of women

i hate band names like those, transition or gtfo

possibly one to chalk up to sexism but I don't get a sense that st vincent or neko case or bjork are getting any end of decade attention. but maybe i just read the wrong stuff.

Can't speak for the other two artists, but the 2010s were not Neko's decade.

you're making my point! she released two solo albums, four with New Pornographers and one with kd lang and laura veirs!

Maybe I'm missing your point; but neither of the solo albums is that great (IMO), and the Case/Lang/Veirs album is good but not super notable? I'm a fan, but the 2000s were her big decade.

I think St Vincent definitely will get some end of decade recognition

well she's got 1 day left

Benji getting wiped is one.

Why is tUnE-yArDs getting blanked?

Who's building the canon?

This "I'm boiling down a decade into a mere ten albums" thing I've seen people doing lately is ... something. For casual music listeners, I can see it; for the more serious or pros, this must be an excruciating exercise.

(Though I guess if you're doing the "one LP for each year" maybe it's not so tortuous.)

Agree that Neko’s best output was the 00s. Blacklisted, Fox Confessor, Middle Cyclone + four classic New Pornographers albums.

Her 10s solo stuff is good but each album has bits that are just ok. I still believe she has more classic albums ahead of her though. New Pornos stuff is also mostly just good not great in the 10s, with the exception of Whiteout Conditions which is excellent.

I always liked War On Drugs! They sound like "Wilco, except good" to me

"Lust For Life" is an amazing song but I didn't really understand why people loved Girls so much beyond that. I got in an argument once about how "I wish I had a pizza and a bottle of wine" was a great lyric and I still maintain that it's a great lyric

I like them as background music in Argentine churrascerias and Spanish tapas joints and when colleagues make no grand claims for them: a solid minor band. Compare them Wire Train or something (or maybe CMJ or whoever made grand claims for Wire Train too?).

My jam on that first album was "Hellhole Ratrace"

what tame impala? that dude was talked about a lot at one point. haven't seen much action lately.

*what about

New album in a couple months iirc

maybe that will remind everyone of the previous hype*. . . but not soon enough to make the end of decade lists.

(*hype i never understood, tbh.)

to me, the early part of the decade was characterized by following a lot of bedroom pop that I don't see super heavily represented in these lists, but felt like they were talked/blogged about a lot. I get it; a lot of it hasn't aged the best and is mostly a genre where a lot of those artists cut their teeth rather than make their best stuff, but I still find a lot of that stuff to be charmingly economical but serious songwriting. a lot of the buzzy guitar bands are also less represented than I thought they'd be but I wouldn't say written out (cymbals eat guitars, cloud nothings, that kind of thing)