Poppy C/D

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tbh this thread is a couple of years overdue. here's her new single

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gmswmbosYo

and here's her kickass walk-on music for Io Shirai on last week's NXT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h27izmXXu-Q

maura, Monday, 4 November 2019 15:09 (nine months ago) link

I've followed her on FB for a while and initially thought it was a cool creepypasta type project but also I'm not actually sure.

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:10 (nine months ago) link

i kind of love how she's been fully embraced by wwe. this was a ppv theme last year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbQsxWKfTSU

maura, Monday, 4 November 2019 15:11 (nine months ago) link

I've followed her on FB for a while and initially thought it was a cool creepypasta type project but also I'm not actually sure.

― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, November 4, 2019 3:10 PM (forty-six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Jq38JKN3A

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:12 (nine months ago) link

I’m not going to lie, I know about all the bad stuff about her but I’ve listened to Am I A Girl? about a million times since it came out

gyac, Monday, 4 November 2019 15:18 (nine months ago) link

what's the bad stuff?

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:21 (nine months ago) link

"i disagree" is song of the year

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 4 November 2019 15:22 (nine months ago) link

I've not really followed her music career, but me & the kids were fans of her peculiar performance art videos at the start. We still quote bits to each other. "3:36? Oh no, I'm late. Three plus three is six. What does it mean?"

Michael Jones, Monday, 4 November 2019 15:32 (nine months ago) link

great videos

nxd, Monday, 4 November 2019 15:46 (nine months ago) link

I’m not going to lie, I know about all the bad stuff about her but I’ve listened to Am I A Girl? about a million times since it came out

― gyac, Monday, November 4, 2019 10:18 AM

yeah i'm not sure you can drop that bomb on us without explaining further!

borntohula, Monday, 4 November 2019 16:55 (nine months ago) link

Do you mean the Mars Argo stuff? If it is, yeah that's a fairly deep rabbit hole and I can't engage with her stuff the same way after reading about it. Unless there's even more than that?

ascai, Monday, 4 November 2019 16:57 (nine months ago) link

Yeah I do!

On April 17, 2018, Sinclair's former collaborator and partner Mars Argo filed a 44-page lawsuit in Central California court against Sinclair and Poppy alleging copyright infringement, stating that Sinclair based Poppy's online persona on hers, as well as emotional and physical abuse Sinclair had allegedly subjected her to in the period after their separation and the subsequent abandonment of the project. On May 7, Poppy made a public statement about the "frivolous" lawsuit, saying Argo was attempting to manipulate her psychologically. She called the suit a "publicity campaign" and a "desperate grab for fame".It was settled out of court on September 14 "with no money exchanging hands".Argo released a statement in January 2019 that all rights to Mars Argo had been assigned to her as part of the settlement.

gyac, Monday, 4 November 2019 16:59 (nine months ago) link

I was just going to stop by this thread to say I'm considering going to a Poppy show just for the spectacle of it all. That lawsuit thing is heavy tho.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:21 (nine months ago) link

Lowlife is great.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:24 (nine months ago) link

two months pass...

album's out and it's sick as fuck

also she's split with sinclair

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:20 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hm6CsuNjJM4

this is industrial

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 January 2020 16:38 (seven months ago) link

what on EARTH

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 10 January 2020 19:27 (seven months ago) link

Haven’t listened to whole thing yet. Really like Don’t Go Outside.

glindr jackson (gyac), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:30 (seven months ago) link

me too! it's like prog poppy, especially with the reprises. proggy

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 10 January 2020 22:34 (seven months ago) link

📹

this is industrial


I love this one, might be my early favourite

glindr jackson (gyac), Saturday, 11 January 2020 16:40 (seven months ago) link

this album is fantastic, especially like the psych-pop fusion of "concrete" and "anything like me"'s industrial groove

ufo, Sunday, 12 January 2020 07:04 (seven months ago) link

turn me into a street!

ufo, Monday, 13 January 2020 13:45 (six months ago) link

this is the best album ever

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 14:09 (six months ago) link

It is extremely strange and extremely good

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 13 January 2020 14:19 (six months ago) link

watashi wa anata ni doi shimasen

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 15:05 (six months ago) link

love the depeche mode "grabbing hands grab all they can" reference on "bloodmoney"

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 15:14 (six months ago) link

in fact i think repurposing an oft-maligned depeche mode lyric kinda summarizes what this album is going for

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 15:28 (six months ago) link

Yesss I love Depeche Mode and that line is so great ❤️ anyone who hates on DM esp for Everything Counts is clearly a clown though

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 13 January 2020 15:41 (six months ago) link

Well, you've all sold me.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 January 2020 18:06 (six months ago) link

get ready for some riffs ned

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 18:13 (six months ago) link

the ending of "concrete" kills me, when everything turns into this bright and beautiful ray of positivity while singing 'turn me into a street'

also the drums on "BLOODMONEY" sound a lot like "closer" to me

gman59, Monday, 13 January 2020 19:00 (six months ago) link

I didn’t get Closer, but I did get a bit of The Beautiful People from Anything Like Me?

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:16 (six months ago) link

Actually think I’m a bit obsessed with Sit Stay - it’s the whole pre chorus/chorus plus,...that fucking outro is spectacular

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 13 January 2020 19:21 (six months ago) link

turn me into a street!

― ufo, Monday, January 13, 2020 6:45 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just looping through my head all day

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:09 (six months ago) link

djp and... imago (??) to thread

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:39 (six months ago) link

have already heard some of this, it's pretty good! v much in 2019 eoy mode listening-wise but i'll give this a full go within the next day or so

opden gnash (imago), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:41 (six months ago) link

whoa didn’t realise stet had done the @mention feature so soon!

steer karma (gyac), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:44 (six months ago) link

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:59 (six months ago) link

my initial instinct was that it reminds me of some of the stuff Ginger Wildheart has been doing, especially the Hey Hello album, but a full listen might scotch that

opden gnash (imago), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:02 (six months ago) link

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:59 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lemme know when grimes goes full nu-metal psych-pop

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:06 (six months ago) link

hearing "concrete" was a lot like hearing jellyfish's "joining a fan club" for the first time

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:08 (six months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwoGhpYdebQ

wish i could vote for it in the ilm poll tbh

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:20 (six months ago) link

You know, this kinda reminds me of Shiina Ringo to an extent.

the Shiina Ringo thread

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 16:32 (six months ago) link

i enjoy a lot of this! "concrete" is friggin great.

i do feel like the juxtaposition of pop and heavier stuff works best when the heavy stuff is as well thought-out and complex as the poppy stuff -- like the power metal-type leads and straight industrial moments are a lot more interesting than like, chunky limp bizkit riffs.

love the "wouldn't it be nice" reference in concrete too

idgaf (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:06 (six months ago) link

watched a couple of the videos and I don't hate it but so far I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:59 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lemme know when grimes goes full nu-metal psych-pop

― american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:06 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a good description of one of the videos I watched ("X") but idk it felt less like peanut butter and chocolate and more like peanut butter and mayo (ftr I like mayo).

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:08 (six months ago) link

i have no beef with grimes but she can't write 1 hook let alone 3 in one song

idgaf (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:09 (six months ago) link

i should say: i have no MUSICAL beef with grimes

idgaf (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:10 (six months ago) link

this is probably entirely the wrong question to ask but to what extent was that sinclair character involved in this new album?

opden gnash (imago), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:17 (six months ago) link

she split from him (and made similar accusations against him)

idgaf (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:18 (six months ago) link

ok the rest of the album is imo good-to-very-good rather than great (and as i say, tt has already played me like three of its tracks!) but man Concrete

opden gnash (imago), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:09 (six months ago) link

the grimes comparison really only makes sense for "sit/stay", which belongs to the same sort of industrial pop territory as "kill v maim". though if grimes actually made the metal album she kept threatening to i'd imagine it'd probably sound fairly similar to this but probably not as good.

ufo, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:15 (six months ago) link

some people like candy
some people like coffee
but these lifeless flaaaavors don't saaatisfyyy meeee

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 January 2020 00:17 (six months ago) link

I am not sure how much staying power this will have for me, but it is bringing the lols for me right now. Concrete and Sit/Stay are great. A lot of the twists and turns in other tracks are interesting. At the very least it will be a good gym album.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Thursday, 16 January 2020 01:06 (six months ago) link

I like this

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 16 January 2020 01:33 (six months ago) link

I'm a fan. I am digging Poppy. not sure about her ballads but Concrete is a doozy. Turn me into a street indeed.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 16 January 2020 03:33 (six months ago) link

This is ... something.
Very 90's sounding somehow. 'Concrete' and 'Sit/Stay' the clear highlights. The jarring shifts between "songs within songs" are pretty crazy but kinda gimmicky and distract from some genuinely great musical sequences.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 16 January 2020 10:42 (six months ago) link

i def thought "this sounds like the late 90s" when i was listening to it

idgaf (roxymuzak), Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:11 (six months ago) link

The worst thing that could happen to her is turning into a real person, with real feelings.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:27 (six months ago) link

Def see the '90s thing.

I'm struggling to hear how it's much more than a basic version of Grimes.

Poppy & Grimes are both mining the same Japanese styles, which, tbf, is a completely irrational thing for me to be annoyed about because people can take influence from wherever, but it does annoy me.

emil.y, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:36 (six months ago) link

i definitely hear the jpop metal/rock-tinged idol (ie babymetal, momoiro clover z, bis) influence on poppy but i think the influence of jpop on grimes has been pretty overstated beyond her saying she's a fan of like, perfume and kyary in interviews

ufo, Thursday, 16 January 2020 15:57 (six months ago) link

As I suspected, I loved it this morning when I played it at the gym.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Thursday, 16 January 2020 16:16 (six months ago) link

I'm digging this Grimes-goes-Nitzer-Ebb approach.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2020 15:17 (six months ago) link

This & Hot Pink basically most listened on Spotify this month. Don’t really care for the slow ones tbh.

steer karma (gyac), Friday, 17 January 2020 15:24 (six months ago) link

I Disagree joining Concrete and Sit/Stay as the upper tier tracks. Don't Go Outside with all the reprises of previous tracks is awesome too.

The Traveling Wilkes-Barre's (PBKR), Friday, 17 January 2020 16:15 (six months ago) link

What's cool about this record is, if you don't care for a song, it will change genres in about 20 seconds so just sit tight.

She needs to go all in on the whole post-genre thing, and make an entire record like Concrete, which covers about 5 in one song.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 17 January 2020 18:27 (six months ago) link

I'm a 47 year old man and I spent the better part of the day on a Poppy internet trawl. I have learned a great deal, not all of it good. She may in fact be an awful, terrible person.

kornrulez6969, Saturday, 18 January 2020 02:18 (six months ago) link

It is quite the thing to get a friend into this album and then to drop Moshi Moshi on her.

steer karma (gyac), Monday, 20 January 2020 10:26 (six months ago) link

It's all a scam. Poppy just wants our money. I've gone from never heard of her, to a huge fan, to disillusioned in less than a week.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 20 January 2020 21:07 (six months ago) link

Do we have Poppy truthers on ILM now?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 20 January 2020 21:08 (six months ago) link

Yes. I've been on this board for 15 years, just lying in wait to expose the sham that is Poppy.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 20 January 2020 22:56 (six months ago) link

I can't help but admire your tenacity

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 20 January 2020 23:04 (six months ago) link

Admittedly, it's been a long slog. Do you know how many threads on grime I had to get through, just waiting for the moment to strike?

Poppy thinks she's David Bowie, and can just change styles and concepts every couple years. But she'd be nowhere wtihout Titanic Sinclair. He made her. And she cheated on him with a performer named Ghostemane, fired him and then tried to erase his contributions. Then she leaked that he attempted suicide out of despair, and made it sound like she was the real victim...and then used it to promote her stupid album. Poppy is a piece of garbage.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 20 January 2020 23:48 (six months ago) link

"I got rid of titanic sinclair, and yeah he tried to kill himself because I abaondoned him but whatevs...buy my new album"

kornrulez6969, Monday, 20 January 2020 23:51 (six months ago) link

imo it’s weird that you never got the sense that titanic sinclair himself is abusive

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 04:04 (six months ago) link

^^^

idgaf (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 11:45 (six months ago) link

This is Poppy's comment on it fwiw

pic.twitter.com/IJwCBLYiuW

— Poppy (@poppy) December 28, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 12:09 (six months ago) link

This is Titanic Sinclair's brother speaking at length on the whole thing. He has more experience with Mars Argo than Poppy, but he knows Poppy fairly well. I understand it's his brother and fairly biased, but the details are not flattering.

SPREAD THIS LIKE A WILDFIRE. MAXIMUM RT. TITANIC'S BROTHER REVEALS HIS SIDE OF THE STORY. A THREAD. pic.twitter.com/GbmpipR25G

— Elaine (@Loyallaine) December 29, 2019

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 20:08 (six months ago) link

are you his brother

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 20:12 (six months ago) link

no he's a middle aged man who has decided to come down hard on the side of an alleged abuser in a "he said she said" situation where there's 2 shes and one he

bidenfan69420 (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 20:13 (six months ago) link

I honestly don't have time to parse all that text

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 20:13 (six months ago) link

What are you, the queen of England? You say you don't have time to learn the truth about Poppy? OK, keep your head in the sand.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 21 January 2020 20:15 (six months ago) link

idk considering the "truth" you've provided so far (a one-paragraph four-page monologue by an alleged abuser's brother) i think it's more likely your head stuck in wet cement

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 21 January 2020 20:18 (six months ago) link

lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 23 January 2020 00:59 (six months ago) link

can i buy a carriage return, damn

idgaf (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:00 (six months ago) link

Damn, this album is good. Lots of crowd pleasing nods to pop history but every song is coherent within itself. The vocals hold everything together beautifully.

Jeff W, Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:05 (six months ago) link

saw her last night in boston with ilx godfather tom e., the first of two sold out shows at a 475-cap venue near my apartment. it was great, the crowd was bonkers, and the tatu cover ruled

maura, Wednesday, 5 February 2020 13:44 (six months ago) link

Jealous, what Tatu did she cover?

hyds (gyac), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:01 (six months ago) link

she's been doing "all the things she said"

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:01 (six months ago) link

that is the only tatu song anyone knows and was my cast-iron assumption tbf

TOO LOW, the Curator (imago), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:05 (six months ago) link

anyone who doesn't live in a house of russian-language pop

TOO LOW, the Curator (imago), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:06 (six months ago) link

Would have preferred Not Gonna Get Us

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 14:37 (six months ago) link

that's the other only one people know

idgaf (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 5 February 2020 15:23 (six months ago) link

Given Grimes' words dealing with Poppy/Sinclair et al, I definitely feel some sympathy to the brother's side of the story. Having loosely followed this drama over the years, I felt they were both shitty people. Poppy's comments exposing Sinclair's attempting suicide and its impact on the family (stated by his brother) is BS, and reprehensible. It's certainly not the first time this sort of thing has happened in Hollywood. That said, drama aside, the video/song is good. What Poppy does moving forward will be interesting.

Perhaps Titanic Sinclair should change his name? He's probably ostracized at this point though. For everyone automatically alleging his status as an abuser, take a minute to also truly internalize the perspective his brother states above (despite his lack of carriage returns; it was Reddit, you need two there).

FWIW all the drama is a classic case of "don't shit where you eat"

octobeard, Thursday, 6 February 2020 00:01 (six months ago) link

i... would not take grimes’ word on anyone

anyway

maura, Thursday, 6 February 2020 00:22 (six months ago) link

for the record (Grimes' beefs were all business)

https://www.spin.com/2018/12/grimes-responds-to-poppy-bullying-claims/

octobeard, Thursday, 6 February 2020 00:47 (six months ago) link

I have to admit I’m not shedding any tears for Titanic Sinclair here.

hyds (gyac), Thursday, 6 February 2020 00:54 (six months ago) link

I'm not either, but I also don't shed any for Poppy.

octobeard, Thursday, 6 February 2020 01:02 (six months ago) link

just fyi it's not unusual at all for abusers to engage in suicidal threats and actions in an attempt to control a person

it's also fine for a survivor to talk about this happening to them

idgaf (roxymuzak), Thursday, 6 February 2020 18:01 (six months ago) link


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