Sugar Ray C/D?

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A spin off from the Sigur Ros deal. Over three albums I think Sugar Ray's matured into a more genuine Beck, pop fetishists who take all their favorite sounds and jumble them up in order to pitch woo to as many girlfriends as possible. The latest album featured Weezer ballads, pop-punk, plenty of keyboard bleeps, reminisces about the glory days of new wave (mentioning the Clash and Men Without Hats in the same sentence!), a country-disco number and a Stones homage as fine as anything they've done in the last decade. The only track I didn't like totally was the Nick Hexum collabo. I also stand by all the singles off of 14:59 (album tracks too jokey in its references. It's Hootenanny to the self-titled's Let It Be). I'm curious to see if anyone out their will at least cop to a guilty pleasure status, or somebody can join me in full-out enjoyment.

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 03:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Falls Apart and Answer the Phone were nice, catchy power pop. Top 40 has certainly done worse.

My name is Kenny (My name is Kenny), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 04:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic. Unabashed and fun-loving and makes my ears swim and smile.

Sean@tangmonkey (Sean M), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 04:08 (seventeen years ago) link

classic classic classic
i sometimes say at parties "saying you don't like sugar ray is like saying you don't like beach parties and summer fun. if you think you don't like sugar ray, it's because you have never actually listened to the tunes. you're lying to me and to yourself."
then loads of of ex-goth college hipsters say stuff like "i actually don't like beach parties and i hate summer"
and then i throw their roomates jamiroquai cd in the fish tank

i have every morning on 45 although i much prefer 'all these things' or whatever it's called.

ddd, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 04:10 (seventeen years ago) link

God I fucking HATE fun!

Clarke B., Tuesday, 12 November 2002 06:17 (seventeen years ago) link

"Every Morning" = superdooperclassic. Should I mention OPM* now?

*No, not O_______ P_____ M_______, the band, silly.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 07:07 (seventeen years ago) link

saying you don't like sugar ray is like saying you don't like beach parties and summer fun.

I've been here in OC since the band called themselves the Shrinky Dinks, I've had to put up with their smug bullshit too many years now, I hate their fucking music and image and any bastard who says crap like this to me gets all the shit they deserve.

I, however, mind neither beach parties nor summer fun. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 09:25 (seventeen years ago) link

That singer's face is enough for me to never want to hear their music. Their new material will be produced by the Neptunes, however, so I might have to re-evaluate.

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I've been here in OC since the band called themselves the Shrinky Dinks, I've had to put up with their smug bullshit too many years now, I hate their fucking music and image and any bastard who says crap like this to me gets all the shit they deserve.

i suppose if you lived in the pop-punk capitol of the world you may possibly grow tired of pick scrapes, guitar kicks and songs that rhyme 'girl' with 'world'. however, in the land of thinly veiled stoner jam rock that is montreal, liking sugar ray, sum 41 (or any punk band with rap parts), LFO and the entire 94 lookout! roster is imperative.

ps. i also start lots of fights at parties by stating "bob dylan is the biggest bullshit artist of the 20th century"

i have no real way of backing that up but it usually makes people so blind with rage that no argument ensues anyways

ddd, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 15:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Sugar Ray is one step up from Smashmouth.

Jonathan Williams (ex machina), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 15:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Dud. Mark McGrath's whiny little voice and furrowed forehead deserve a special seat in hell.

mary b. (mary b.), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

ps. i also start lots of fights at parties by stating "bob dylan is the biggest bullshit artist of the 20th century"

Friend! I've never said it quite so bluntly, but to a very great extent I agree with you here. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

What exactly in the music (not the image or whatever) is smug about Sugar Ray? Now keep in mind I think pre-1459 Sugar Ray is D, except for Fly. But since then I think the joy I hear is pretty genuine.

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it's the joy of them going, "Ah! If we do THIS instead of THAT we'll be rich and famous!" Also, seeing as how I think Sublime were a curse upon the nation, an even dumber and more smoothed out version of same is my own little circle of hell.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Um. So Stones rips and country-disco were their big moneymaker ideas? I'm of the viewpoint that whatever there motivation was to ditch all their pre-"Fly" horseshit was, I'm thankful. They sound way too giddy in their sonic adventures for me to assume its purely crass capitalism. Proof for me his how happy McGrath looked vamping as a Duranee in the "When It's Over" video. He clearly enjoys this shit. Also, Sugar Ray's glee in Australia on that Music In High Places show is proof they're pro-fun, even if GASP! they're pro-money.

If Sublime had more interesting sounds, I'd like them more (I do enjoy "What I Got" and "Santeria," so there ya go). I think living in OC has affected yer ears on all this.

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I forgot to finish a thought in my last post. If Sugar Ray is the sound of selling out I wish more bands would. If only Incubus would focus on the girl-baiting ballads and stop all those horrific attempts at "rocking." If only the Backstreet Boys would bring back their dance beats and stop trying for soulful "authenticity." I'm all for bands finding, as Mark McGrath puts it, their "sound." And is Beck any less smug?

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

They sound way too giddy in their sonic adventures for me to assume its purely crass capitalism.

You could say that about a lot of bands, though! And in some cases it's warranted, doubtless. I don't sense that Sugar Ray and never have. I sense a bunch of flailing bullshitters. McGrath enjoys being a prick, based on the stories I've heard, and he's welcome to it.

I think living in OC has affected yer ears on all this.

I would hate them were I in deepest Kazakhstan.

I'm all for bands finding, as Mark McGrath puts it, their "sound."

Oh good god. Their 'sound' was becoming the new Jimmy goddamn Buffet and one was plenty enough! Fucking fuck.

And is Beck any less smug?

I'm not much of a fan of him either.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

And my own little standalone thought -- the whole 'fun' thing, if you like, which has been a lingering issue on this board for a while now. It's become a thoroughly obnoxious shorthand and attempt at locking in a somehow unassailable critical mindset. I'm not blaming you on this, Anthony, I'm just considering a larger situation. Obviously a lot of the references have been joking and I'm glad of that. But more than once I'm sensing a predetermined idea of "If you don't like this thing which I consider fun and enjoyable, then you're a stupid stick in the mud who doesn't like any sort of fun at all." Like I indicated upthread with my comment on 'summer fun' et al, I don't buy this in the slightest, and I don't think anybody else does either, really, which is why it gets my goat to see it.

Prepackaged, presold, accept-no-alternate-interpretations 'fun' in all of life -- tour groups with perky tour guides hitting all the 'sights,' going to summer camp and doing 'activities,' whatever you like -- is one of the most obnoxious things ever. It may not be evil, but it sure is a corrosive timewaster. 'Fun,' however defined, happens as it does, where you find it and how you find it. Those are the memories that linger for me the longest, with groups of people, out of them, whatever. Don't tell me you're a 'fun' band, prove it! And if you fail with me, that's life and subjective opinion.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

I definitely understand your antipathy about the fun aesthetic. But I really don't hear these offensive things about Sugar Ray you complain about ON the songs. There's a million anecdotes about them being crass and obnoxious and assholes in real life, but you haven't mentioned one element of one song that represents this. How can I not assume your judging their musical work based on prejudices formed by their non-musical exploits?

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, refer to the Sublime and Jimmy Buffet references above -- that's what I get from their earlier singles, their later ones have been so trudgingly anonymous that I haven't wanted to investigate further. Hell, they're one of the most unfun bands ever on that front! "Great, music that makes me think of an MTV spring break special, can I go home now?" One of the easiest ways to offend me musically is to promise a lot and deliver zilch. And if their latest album does in fact feature a 'Weezer ballad,' then shoot me now, because I hate them even more! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:11 (seventeen years ago) link

thank yas. Now I can just assume we look for different things in music (I can safely assume british accents and distorted radiator hums do it for ya?) rather than that you're upset that goths get crap in high school or something. I have a feeling you won't like my upcoming review in the voice, that's for sure (I'm not telling whut its about...).

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:14 (seventeen years ago) link

I can safely assume british accents and distorted radiator hums do it for ya?

Heh. They never hurt. ;-) But it's interesting, I haven't really gotten thrilled by any UK scene in the past few years aside from garage, and that only to the extent I get to hear various singles. And keep in mind one of my favorite ever bands, with an aesthetic and grace of approach that never grows tired, are the Walkabouts, and neither UK accents nor radiator hums are part of their vision of things. ;-)

I have a feeling you won't like my upcoming review in the voice, that's for sure (I'm not telling whut its about...).

No need to fret, here's where I admit I don't really read the Voice or many other music publications at all these days! ;-) Most new music I've found via the joy of shared mp3s. It's odd, though, since I wouldn't mind writing for the Voice at all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, and for what it's worth, garage is endlessly incredibly fun for me! Sticky's "More Weed!" might still be my single of the year. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link

what bugs me is that most people around me automatically dismiss sugar ray. i make this argument mostly to show people that they don't (and in alot of cases, never) listen objectively, which is an easy thing to do. When I realised I liked sugar ray, it was like the biggest epiphany i had ever had and the most objective listening i had ever done. i love classical guitar, mid tempo party rock with an element of pop/rap, decent melodies and general fun loving attitude of the band so why not love the band? their look is ridiculous and they gain me 0 scene points but their songs are like no other party rock i've ever heard. smash mouth gets close.

ddd, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 18:32 (seventeen years ago) link

righto, ddd. Also I don't like the Jimmy Buffet reference cuz I've never heard so many need overdubbed production whatevers on a Buffet track. The vocals that fade in-and-out are part of what makes "Someday" so beautiful.

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 18:36 (seventeen years ago) link

sugar ray = gay

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 18:47 (seventeen years ago) link

It would truly be hysterical is the next album was titled Sugar Gay.

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

My respect for the band might increase. ;-) My Jimmy Buffet comparison is based on the conviction that they could cover "Margaritaville" without much worry -- which in of itself worries me.

DDD's point is a good one, though, about why and how elements can attract. 'Mid tempo party rock' is, well, dull to my ears. Very dull, generally speaking, comfort food that's not very thrilling. I prefer pop apocalypse over a slow grind...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 19:03 (seventeen years ago) link

what's pop apocalypse? I've got my guesses but I want to hear it from you before I start dismissing at windmills. ;)

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

It would truly be hysterical is the next album was titled Sugar Gay.

I saw a thing on some TV programme a few weeks ago where someone said 'Sugar Gay' somewhere on the street where Mark from Sugar Ray was within earshot. I think it was outside of some award show. What followed was hysterical. "Who said that? It was you wasn't it? It was you! You fucking dipshit! You little man! You insignificant piece of shit!" etc etc, all the while Mark pointing at some teenager, almost threatening to hit him.

JoB (JoB), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Well, if you read groupiecentral supposedly Mr. McGrath has some issues in that department. That said, I would love to be able to yell "you little man! you insignificant piece of shit!" from a red carpet someday.

Anthony Miccio, Tuesday, 12 November 2002 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

Man, Ryan Adams has a challenger now in the 'give it a rest' department! Even I hadn't heard that one yet!

'Pop apocalypse' = 'wow, WHAT THE FUCK?' as opposed to, 'Oh, okay.' I am a sucker for something that sounds world-stompingly huge or disjointed as opposed to easy-going good times when it comes to the charts. I'm keeping this intentionally vague because it should cover all sorts of musical bases, but admittedly something like "Party Hard" goes against this because it's certainly aiming to sound pretty damn big but I just think falls flat in general.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

text ILM has gone too far

(scroll down to Tom's post)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

(i don't know how the word "text" got there.)

mitch lastnamewithheld (mitchlnw), Tuesday, 12 November 2002 20:27 (seventeen years ago) link

recently i've been mispronouncing 'sigur ros' as 'sugar ross'. another great party trick!

ddd, Wednesday, 13 November 2002 03:08 (seventeen years ago) link

ten years pass...

wish Mark McGrath's rock n roll jeopardy appearances from the late 90s were on Youtube

Cunga, Saturday, 29 December 2012 05:10 (six years ago) link

me too!! i've never seen them and i've searched several times

teledyldonix, Saturday, 29 December 2012 07:11 (six years ago) link

nine months pass...

Whoops!

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2013/10/sugar_ray_mcgrath_lawsuit.php

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 19 October 2013 00:12 (six years ago) link

six years pass...

ahahahahahha amazing

You gotta watch this video PLEASE pic.twitter.com/GNFf70iDwa

— Vincent Bec (@slasherdaysaint) November 24, 2019

frogbs, Monday, 25 November 2019 20:47 (two weeks ago) link

lmao oh my god

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:00 (two weeks ago) link

Wonderful

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:04 (two weeks ago) link

honestly can't decide if this is heartless & cruel or actually kinda thoughtful

frogbs, Monday, 25 November 2019 21:05 (two weeks ago) link

I wonder if that cameo was real or if mark mcgrath got pranked but either way that’s hilarious

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 25 November 2019 21:06 (two weeks ago) link

All the things that you used to say
All the words that got in the way
All the things that you used to know
Good luck on your thesis, bro

omar little, Monday, 25 November 2019 21:11 (two weeks ago) link

ahahahahahahhaha

frogbs, Monday, 25 November 2019 21:12 (two weeks ago) link

honestly, he is the best

alpine static, Monday, 25 November 2019 21:34 (two weeks ago) link

Mark, I mean. Not Brayden.

alpine static, Monday, 25 November 2019 21:35 (two weeks ago) link

Mark did a way better job with this than most people would have. But still, to Brayden, this probably came across like the South Park episode with Radiohead

Vinnie, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:32 (two weeks ago) link

They also can turn down those cameo requests, probably wld have been the best way to handle it.

That being said I wonder what the requisite $$ amount was

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:44 (two weeks ago) link

Mark McGrath is not turning down 100 dollars, dude was in several Sharknados

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 00:46 (two weeks ago) link

off the charts but always in your hearts

dyl, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 01:17 (two weeks ago) link

Also how did this get out, did Brayden send it to someone or what

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 04:35 (two weeks ago) link

I think all the Cameo videos go on their website??

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 04:43 (two weeks ago) link

You choose if you want it public or private at time of purchase. Anybody can see the public ones.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 07:55 (two weeks ago) link

Which makes this especially nasty if that is what was done by the purchaser, in addition to this terribly insensitive message.

McGrath's delivery is next level ridiculous. Like if it wasn't three am I'd be screaming with laughter.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 07:59 (two weeks ago) link

Just $100?? Do you think the dude from Smash Mouth would read my resignation letter aloud to my boss

Vinnie, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 08:44 (two weeks ago) link

it's come out that it was a joke request and he was aware it was a joke

anyway did you know there was a new sugar ray album this year titled little yachty "The album title is a reference to both rapper Lil Yachty and the fact that McGrath views Sugar Ray as a "yacht rock" band.[24][25]"

ufo, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 09:39 (two weeks ago) link

Sugar Ray is Lake Havasu houseboat rock

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:06 (two weeks ago) link

I'm certain that there is at least one small midwestern college town where people still gather at a local watering hole on a Friday night to see the local Sugar Ray cover band (who also occasionaly perform a sprinkling of Matchbox 20 and Cake tunes to mix things up), almost as if the last twenty years never happened at all.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:13 (two weeks ago) link

But now those kids are listening to their parents music.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:15 (two weeks ago) link

I stopped going to a bar because they always had a cover band that did the Sugar Ray/Cake/M20/etc. '90s set but all in the style of Sublime.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:17 (two weeks ago) link

Wow, I can't believe I was so spot-on with the half-joking fictional scenario I painted. And yet I'm still disappointed at myself for leaving Sublime out of the mix.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:25 (two weeks ago) link

90s cover bands in the Sugar Ray/Cake/M20 nexus are very easy to find on a Friday night in my small american city

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:26 (two weeks ago) link

(I think I was basing this upon my own experience wherein the last act I saw in my own midwestern college town before leaving in '07 was a RHCP cover band.)

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:27 (two weeks ago) link

But now those kids are listening to their parents music.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, November 26, 2019 8:15 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yes, one of the more important implicit points here is that Sugar Ray came into existence a quarter century ago. Please, let's all meditate upon that fact.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:31 (two weeks ago) link

not enough new jamminess on the radio, what can you expect really

maffew12, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

one thing I remember growing up is that 60s & 70s nostalgia was very popular, during summer vacation I'd watch old Hanna-Barbara cartoons, Gilligan's Island, and game shows like The Price is Right that were rooted in a bygone era. obviously it was very clear that this stuff was supposed to appeal to your parents but it was pretty much all that was on outside of infomercials and soap operas.

nowadays when I go work out there's always a station playing Friends, which is as old today as Happy Days was when I was growing up, and I wonder if there's a whole generation of kids watching this and chuckling whenever they see like, a landline phone or something.

recently I hosted a poker game & made a playlist of tunes that I figured the other guys would appreciate, when playing it back it kinda struck me that a lot of the stuff I picked was either from the 90s or had a lot of the same hallmarks as that music. and yeah one of the songs I picked was "Someday" which I figured was a bit corny but that was the one that made people sit up and go, "holy shit, Sugar Ray! I used to love this song!" and yeah that's when I realized a huge chunk of your personality is forever gonna be attached to whatever was popular when you were 12

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:19 (two weeks ago) link

One of my strongest teenage memories is the beach trip my friends and I took post-high school graduation, where I must have heard "Someday" like 6+ times over those few days. It perfectly captured the mix of joy and melancholy I was feeling as I spent the last couple months with my closest friends before we all went different ways. I couldn't come up with a bigger cliche. so frogbs otm

Vinnie, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:32 (two weeks ago) link

Question adjacent to the threads of discussion currently ongoing: did Mark McGrath come out of the womb looking like that, and is it safe to assume that he will still look like that when he is technically if not visibly elderly?

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 15:52 (two weeks ago) link

At first I thought that was a young Mark McGrath imitator or something, and it was part of the joke. Not a 50 year old. The hair! I want to see it in 4k.

file of unknown origin (bendy), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:20 (two weeks ago) link

yeah he's got the waxy Ray Liotta/Papa John look going now

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:24 (two weeks ago) link

But not even, really! He's just always looked like he was in his mid-to-late 30s imo.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 November 2019 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

Lmao this is gonna be his new career

A message to backup QB Mason Rudolph from Mark McGrath of Sugar Ray (🗣SOUND UP🗣) pic.twitter.com/oBGJUwggzH

— Pardon My Take (@PardonMyTake) November 26, 2019

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 00:48 (two weeks ago) link

Did he get his nostrils waxed

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 00:54 (two weeks ago) link

Getting a bit of Michael Jackson nose there

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 03:19 (two weeks ago) link

"There is no 'me' in 'team'. There's no 'I' either. There might be a 'me'"

This felt very Trumpian

Vinnie, Thursday, 28 November 2019 02:27 (two weeks ago) link


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