Backstreet JellyPOLL: ILM Van Morrison Poll Discussion Thread

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Are you ready to venture into the slipstream? Can you hear Them calling, way up from Oregon? Have you got your pen and notebook ready?

I think it's about time for us to begin the ILM Van Morrison poll.

Submit your top 30 Van Morrison songs, and your top 5 albums. Everything from Them to his newest record is eligible. Deadline is end of day August 1, 2017. Standard scoring, blah blah blah.

Please send your ballots via electronic mail to ilmvanmorrisonpoll at gmail dot com

Use this thread to advocate for any songs, albums, or anything else Van-related that crosses your mind. This is going to be a good time!!!!!!!

kornrulez6969, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:16 (one week ago) Permalink

holy shit

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

is this the thread for rhapsodic appreciation of Veedon Fleece?

Dr X O'Skeleton, Monday, 17 July 2017 14:46 (one week ago) Permalink

all threads are for the rhapsodic appreciation of veedon fleece iirc

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:47 (one week ago) Permalink

glad this poll didn't happen before most of his catalog became available digitally

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 17 July 2017 14:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Well this isn't going to be difficult at all.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Monday, 17 July 2017 15:06 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm curious for the albums poll. The Veedon Fleece has undergone an On The Beach-esque surge in popularity in recent years. Or maybe On The Beach has undergone a Veedon Fleece.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, all votes for Veedon Fleece will be discounted unless it's referred to as The Veedon Fleece.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, I'm not sure there's any act more conducive to POLL-style puns. The guy has a zillion.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:53 (one week ago) Permalink

if anyone needs a guide to the '80s and early '90s van records i wrote one a few years ago http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/astral-years-a-seekers-guide-to-van-morrison-in-the-80-1700003646

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 12:08 (one week ago) Permalink

essentially no van ballot is complete without

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxA0UWDkVNI

imo

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 12:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Thanks, that's a fantastic blog. Van's 80s were better than he gets credit for. How about the 90s? The Healing Game is good, but I haven't heard much else.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:09 (one week ago) Permalink

Also, this is an incredible story by Glen Hansard about the first time he crossed paths with Van Morrison.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29abxJgCyOI

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:13 (one week ago) Permalink

Van is a weird dude

I'm not really into polls but I'm up for this one

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:18 (one week ago) Permalink

Can we include Them material?

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:19 (one week ago) Permalink

POLLer on the threshold

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:20 (one week ago) Permalink

Did Ye Get POLLed

Slid Viscous, oleaginous punker (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Can we include Them material?

Yes of course.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I only 'found' Summertime in England last year, but I think it'll be in my top 5. And thanks for the 80s primer - don't know that period at all.

The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:32 (one week ago) Permalink

this is going to be awesome.

that's not my post, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 15:00 (one week ago) Permalink

I made a CD-R in '15 out of Brad's '80s selections on a beach road trip to the west coast of Florida – damn, it was perfect.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 15:09 (one week ago) Permalink

With such a vast and varied catalog, hard for me to guess what's relatively obscure and worth touting on this thread. Example: Moonshine Whiskey. It's on Tupelo Honey but I only really know it from various live performances. Anyhow, it's worth your consideration ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyqIED-yBbE

that's not my post, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 15:48 (one week ago) Permalink

feelin Brad on Summertime in England, essential

i don't even know how to do this poll

BTW - Are live versions (particularly stuff from It's Too Late to Stop Now and also "Caravan" from The Last Waltz) eligible or only studio stuff?

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 15:57 (one week ago) Permalink

also, for way late period albums, I'd encourage people to check out Magic Time, it's worth a listen

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:02 (one week ago) Permalink

the new one (keep me singing) is good too but not sure anything that would crack a list

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:02 (one week ago) Permalink

always bring this one out — might be my favorite Van deep cut:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YMPV3Y8sk

tylerw, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:03 (one week ago) Permalink

i like this one off Magic Time, Van and lions are a good combo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_gPYg6ZT4Y

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:10 (one week ago) Permalink

Tyler OTM about Contemplation Rose. Not Supposed To Break Down also highly recommended.

Would be really hard to narrow down to 30 cuts just from Van in the 70s.

that's not my post, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:38 (one week ago) Permalink

BTW - Are live versions (particularly stuff from It's Too Late to Stop Now and also "Caravan" from The Last Waltz) eligible or only studio stuff?

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, July 18, 2017 8:57 AM (forty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i mean i'll leave this up to kornruelz but i think it'd be best to fold live versions into a song's total points, while noting a certain no. of ppl voted for a specific live performance in parentheses or something)

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:41 (one week ago) Permalink

BTW - Are live versions (particularly stuff from It's Too Late to Stop Now and also "Caravan" from The Last Waltz) eligible or only studio stuff?

Similar to how it was done on Talking Heads poll, I'll combine live and studio together. So if you vote for Caravan from Last Waltz, just specifiy it and I'll note all the live versions receiving votes during the rollout.

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I'll be giving this a vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_X5M_bWNIY

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:11 (one week ago) Permalink

"good craic (an Irish term for conversation)"

I hate to be pedantic Brad but "craic" generally means fun times and joviality

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:22 (one week ago) Permalink

i'll definitely forward it to my editor two years ago

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:30 (one week ago) Permalink

iirc i took that definition from wikipedia but at some point the adjectives i employed before "conversation" ("jovial"? was potentially one of them) got deleted, idk

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 17:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh man I am not enjoying Wavelength at all.

kornrulez6969, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 00:37 (six days ago) Permalink

xpost Love me some Into the Music from the following year. What's up with Wavelength?

that's not my post, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 02:25 (six days ago) Permalink

"Wavelength" is kinda poor. I was listening to "Common One" earlier and I think it's Top 5 quality

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 04:21 (six days ago) Permalink

I agree, Wavelength is dull, but Into the Music is a real return to form, especially the first side. Apart from the odd track, the 80s were not good - plodding, repetitive, predictable. For deep '70s cuts, I would single out You're My Woman from Tupelo Honey, Snow in St Anselmo and Wild Children from Hard Nose the Highway, I've Been Working from Street Choir, the title track of St Dominic's Preview and Into the Mystic from Moondance. Veedon Fleece is just about perfect. The real high points, for me, are the transitions from Linden Arden Stole the Highlights into the falsetto of Who Was the Masked Man, and his vocal delivery on You Don't Pull No Punches. Check out the strings and flue arrangement on that track too.

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:42 (six days ago) Permalink

flute, not flue, there are no musical chimneys

Dr X O'Skeleton, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 10:43 (six days ago) Permalink

"Craic" is fake Irish of course. To be even more pedantic .

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:24 (six days ago) Permalink

I'm going to be even more pedantic now. Van is from Ulster - Ulster Scots, if you prefer, though I don't - and 'craic' or, more properly, 'crack' would have meant conversation/chat to someone from his background, though it's possible he's using it in its more modern Irish form.

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:37 (six days ago) Permalink

oh god now i'm reliving my research on that piece lol

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:42 (six days ago) Permalink

Yes, ignore all that and get into the music instead, doyouseewhatididthere...

weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 11:56 (six days ago) Permalink

the second side of into the music where all the songs blend into each other exquisite, especially in fall

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:18 (six days ago) Permalink

er.. is exquisite*

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 12:18 (six days ago) Permalink

y'all...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMf-0OuUy9k

campreverb, Thursday, 20 July 2017 03:36 (five days ago) Permalink

One of my very favorite songs of his is Wonderful Remark, from the King of Comedy film and his ubiquitous greatest hits CD from the late 80s.

There's a longer version of Wonderful Remark on the Philosopher's Stone compilation, but IMHO you can't beat the 80s one.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:27 (five days ago) Permalink

that was a wonderful remark kornrulez

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:35 (five days ago) Permalink

Circa 1991, I taped (off the radio) a King Biscuit live show from the Wavelength era. It was among my very favorite tapes. An aging boombox ate it for lunch a few years later. Nowadays, when I chance to hear anything from that album, I mourn for that lost cassette. I don't know if it's available and I confess I haven't looked much. But I recall that "Wavelength," "Kingdom Hall," and "Checkin' It Out" were uberclassic in that performance.

leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:40 (five days ago) Permalink

"Wonderful Remark" is essential imo.

so is "Cleaning Windows."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:41 (five days ago) Permalink

Question for Van heads: in that lost live "Wavelength" he does this thing of calling out random numbers, to immense crowd satisfaction. I never knew what was going on.

One can hear this also in "Cleaning Windows." Does it refer, like, to specific horn breaks? Seats in the audience? WTF?

leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 July 2017 13:44 (five days ago) Permalink

Okay I figgered out that I was thinking of the long interlude in "Caravan" from this Bottom Line show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApC0ZnMpWhc

Listen at 54:20 or so. There's a bunch of ad lib and some numbers and I... still don't get it. Surely this is A Thing.

leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:06 (five days ago) Permalink

I love this one, horn parts at the end are sublime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ln-H2HV6o0

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:09 (five days ago) Permalink

^^^ yep

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 14:12 (five days ago) Permalink

i have no idea how i'm going to do this

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:06 (five days ago) Permalink

Every time you find yet another '90s album in your collection, take a shot.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:10 (five days ago) Permalink

hymns to the silence is wonderful if a little uneven. even a sense of wonder which imo is prob his least good '80s record has the really lovely title track

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 20 July 2017 15:26 (five days ago) Permalink

Another 80s tune to check out: Higher Than The World.

This is going to be a fascinating poll. Prob lots of tunes that make it onto the countdown with only a few votes.

that's not my post, Thursday, 20 July 2017 16:26 (five days ago) Permalink

i really love this little tribute to van's san francisco of the mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxB2Gbkv-mo

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 20 July 2017 16:28 (five days ago) Permalink

"A Period of Transition" is unfairly maligned. This tune is so classic

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riqzRE6St_8

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 20 July 2017 17:37 (five days ago) Permalink

This is going to be a fascinating poll. Prob lots of tunes that make it onto the countdown with only a few votes.

Yes. I don't think we're going to get a ton of ballots for this.

kornrulez6969, Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:58 (five days ago) Permalink

I'll just set up a few sock accounts and "want a danish" is going to run the table.

JoeStork, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:52 (five days ago) Permalink

Also it's been ages since I've heard the 80's version but my recollection is that the Philosopher's Stone "Wonderful Remark" wipes the floor with the rerecording.

JoeStork, Thursday, 20 July 2017 20:59 (five days ago) Permalink

I can see by the look on your face.....thats you've got ring worm

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Thursday, 20 July 2017 21:01 (five days ago) Permalink

It's a very common disease.

JoeStork, Thursday, 20 July 2017 21:08 (five days ago) Permalink

if anyone needs a guide to the '80s and early '90s van records i wrote one a few years ago http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/astral-years-a-seekers-guide-to-van-morrison-in-the-80-1700003646🕸

Excellent piece brad

wtev, Friday, 21 July 2017 05:57 (four days ago) Permalink

Thanks, that's a fantastic blog. Van's 80s were better than he gets credit for. How about the 90s? The Healing Game is good, but I haven't heard much else.

I'll have to dig out the recording of his Glastonbury set in 86 which I saw. Some great performances: no guru, full force gale, iirc summertime in England

wtev, Friday, 21 July 2017 06:01 (four days ago) Permalink

"Have I Told You Lately" is lazy writing but I LOVE "Why Must I Always Explain."

leave your emu at the door (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 21 July 2017 14:31 (four days ago) Permalink

sorry i thought the thread needed more high kicks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdZLTnRnHs8

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 21 July 2017 18:55 (four days ago) Permalink

Fully intend to vote in this - I'm a fairly casual fan but I'm slowly going through Brad's '80s picks and the stuff mentioned here, already discovered some great songs (some of which are not at all what I'd expect from any era of Van Morrison).

Gavin, Leeds, Friday, 21 July 2017 19:53 (four days ago) Permalink

Found the 87 Glastonbury recording. Awesome.

wtev, Friday, 21 July 2017 20:14 (four days ago) Permalink

Lots of great live Van up on YouTube. Here are a few full concerts.

Montreaux 1980
Winterland 1974
Pacific High Studio 1971
Ulster Hall with the Chieftains 1988

that's not my post, Friday, 21 July 2017 23:25 (four days ago) Permalink

Hope everyone had a great weekend listening to plenty of Van.

kornrulez6969, Monday, 24 July 2017 16:48 (yesterday) Permalink

A couple of 60s deep cuts to consider

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRH8M-VyFHs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNaMbru1dQ0

that's not my post, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 04:23 (twenty-one minutes ago) Permalink


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