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best genesis album imo

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Keep it Dark 7
Abacab 6
No Reply at All 4
Me and Sarah Jane 3
Dodo/Lurker 1
Who Dunnit? 1
Man on the Corner 1
Like it or Not 0
Another Record 0


emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 10 November 2014 22:53 (three years ago) Permalink

uh

keep it dark

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 10 November 2014 22:56 (three years ago) Permalink

No Reply, or maybe dodo/lurker or sarah Jane. Or Keep It Dark. There are one or two good b sides from the era.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:10 (three years ago) Permalink

imo they're all gold

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:11 (three years ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKlQC2Vcz88

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:11 (three years ago) Permalink

ANYBODY LISTENING

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:20 (three years ago) Permalink

Title track for me.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:20 (three years ago) Permalink

when you wake in the morning
wake and find you're covered in cellophane

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:33 (three years ago) Permalink

WAS IT YOU OR WAS IT ME?
OR WAS IT HE OR SHE?

Welcome To (Turrican), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:36 (three years ago) Permalink

the affection i've developed for "who dunnit" is really unfortunate

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:43 (three years ago) Permalink

*endless gif of phil yelling "it's supposed to be a post-punk song you horrible dicks"*

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:43 (three years ago) Permalink

A very good friend calls me 'abacab' after this album + my first name. I should really give it more listens.

Walter MIDI (Crabbits), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:45 (three years ago) Permalink

it's a pretty odd, asymmetrical art pop album, clearly transitional between duke and the s/t but the prog/pop tension is never more rewarding than it is here

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

All the singles got lots of album rock airplay when I listened in the eighties and nineties, even "Man on the Corner" and the Three Sides Live throwaway "Paperlate."

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:48 (three years ago) Permalink

"paperlate" rules

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:51 (three years ago) Permalink

it's just like a slightly less good "no reply at all"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:51 (three years ago) Permalink

It is a difficult album to appreciate, let alone love, because it seems so deadset on not telling us things.

otm, and precisely why i love it

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 00:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Abacrab?

Phil's pronunciation of "Dodo ugly! so dodo must die!" has haunted me since childhood

fgti, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:30 (three years ago) Permalink

let us praise the song 'abacab'

^^^kinda surprised i hadn't drunkenly bumped that more often

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:56 (three years ago) Permalink

BTW, love "Paperlate," and also this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsV-1FDLTW0

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 02:17 (three years ago) Permalink

"No Reply At All" is such a tight arrangement.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 02:18 (three years ago) Permalink

I've never listened to this! Giving it a shot now.

EveningStar (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 02:19 (three years ago) Permalink

I still recall the substantial emotional drop from my anticipating to finally hearing this record when it first dropped. I have more tolerance for it now but still find it to be lackluster and think the versions on Three Sides Live are superior. I also prefer most of the studio cuts on 3SL to abacab.

doug watson, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 02:53 (three years ago) Permalink

Want to say "Abacab" was also historic for how loud/high the drums were mixed, really setting the stage for the '80s.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 03:04 (three years ago) Permalink

plus that one bit is perfect air drumming

you know the one i mean

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 03:59 (three years ago) Permalink

I love this album. Voted "me and sarah jane" but it could have been almost anything else; I really like Keep it Dark!

akm, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:29 (three years ago) Permalink

paperlate isn't a throwaway either...it's as good as anything else on this record.

akm, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 20:30 (three years ago) Permalink

Voted Keep it Dark but really could have chosen anything here. Except maybe Dodo/Lurker, which is half awesome and half ridiculous-in-a-bad-way.

Sean Carruthers, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 03:32 (three years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Monday, 17 November 2014 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

Terrible album.

rising tones cross (anagram), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:01 (three years ago) Permalink

pfft

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:36 (three years ago) Permalink

"another record" deserved a vote

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 00:37 (three years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

oh damn i started this thread, good job me

anyway i was listening to abacab today and thinking "wow, this record is amazing"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:44 (five months ago) Permalink

hi Brad

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:45 (five months ago) Permalink

Some days I don't even mind "Who Dunnit?" as a sort of pallet cleanser.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:49 (five months ago) Permalink

"who dunnit" is fun imo

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:52 (five months ago) Permalink

"like it or not" and "another record" still deserved more votes than it

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:53 (five months ago) Permalink

Feel better, Phil
https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/phil-collins2.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 21:54 (five months ago) Permalink

I fucking love this record

or at night (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 15 June 2017 22:00 (five months ago) Permalink

one of my favorite records ever, how did i miss this thread when it happened! i thought i was the only one who liked "keep it dark"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 15 June 2017 22:12 (five months ago) Permalink

This guy is the best, I love all his videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmX1QbYEnTU

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 22:29 (five months ago) Permalink

Keep It Dark really whups my behind with a belt

PaulTMA, Thursday, 15 June 2017 22:34 (five months ago) Permalink

said this before on another Genesis thread, but I find it hard to believe that Mike R came up with the "No Reply" bassline. Not a genesis super-stan, so grain of salt when I say that I have never heard him play anything like that before or after…it sounds like they got Percy Jones to play fretted or Verdine White or someone… I'm sure MR could learn it and play it no sweat, but it doesn't seem like anything he did any other time…same for D Stuermer…

veronica moser, Thursday, 15 June 2017 23:20 (five months ago) Permalink

I agree. The dude in that video suspects the same. While Rutherford can totally play it, the EWF force is strong with this one.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 15 June 2017 23:56 (five months ago) Permalink

It's hard to imagine Rutherford as bassist yet he was in the Hackett years

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 June 2017 23:58 (five months ago) Permalink

He's not much of a guitarist, honestly.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 June 2017 00:05 (five months ago) Permalink

For that matter, in the early days Tony Banks often contributed classical guitar.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 June 2017 00:06 (five months ago) Permalink

I love this record inordinately, and agree with the near-certainty that neither Rutherford nor Stuermer would have come up with that line. Musta been a session d00d.

Phil's love of R&B was such that he probably just said "yeah, er, Mike, we're just gonna bring in some outside players to do some horn-stab overdubs. You can go out for tea if you like." And they smuggled a killer bassist in amongst the horn section. By the time it was mixed everyone knew what had happened but no one cared.

Even Rutherford could tell it was made of awesome, so he made not a peep. He just bought another pastel-colored linen suit and thought wistfully about major-seventh arpeggios.

croque monsoon (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 16 June 2017 00:22 (five months ago) Permalink

IT has 'anything she does' which, while not being as offensive lyrically as "illegal alien", is probably worse musically. I like 'whodunnit'. also, the rest of the album, even the high points, are bland compared to the high points of s/t and abacab. We Can't Dance is a better album.

akm, Sunday, 16 July 2017 14:53 (four months ago) Permalink

I agree that 'Mama' is better than anything on Invisible Touch and, uh... no, that covers all the high points of those two records, thinking about it.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Sunday, 16 July 2017 16:04 (four months ago) Permalink

It's crazy that You Might Recall didn't make the album. It should have been a hit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsV-1FDLTW0

jmm, Sunday, 16 July 2017 21:58 (four months ago) Permalink

all of the abacab b-sides are great

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 16 July 2017 22:37 (four months ago) Permalink

I love Abacab but the 3 Sides Live version of the title track is, for me, more exciting than the studio version. It does more, as much as I love the studio version's Kraut-y blankness.

Shanty Brunch (stevie), Monday, 17 July 2017 09:41 (four months ago) Permalink

everything on s/t is better than everything in invisible touch, except for 'illegal alien'.

akm, Monday, 17 July 2017 19:40 (four months ago) Permalink

i had forgotten about the bridge to "no reply at all", so great

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 July 2017 19:47 (four months ago) Permalink

everything on s/t is better than everything in invisible touch, except for 'illegal alien'.

― akm, Monday, July 17, 2017 7:40 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nope!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:14 (four months ago) Permalink

...let an opinion of taste reside. akm is not wrong, you just don't agree with his viewpoint. This is yet another reason why debates on music can be so divisive; entrenchment and the inability to keep more than one idea in your head at the same time.

I also enjoy s/t far more than IT, and your "Nope" does nothing to add to the conversation.

bodacious ignoramus, Monday, 17 July 2017 21:19 (four months ago) Permalink

Neither does rockism and juvenile namecalling, tbf.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 21:21 (four months ago) Permalink

i had forgotten about the bridge to "no reply at all", so great

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, July 17, 2017 7:47 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, that's a great moment - but the track sticks out like a sore thumb on what apparently is meant to be a "new wave" record, and it could do without the horns. Strangely, it sounds more like something that would fit snugly on a Phil Collins solo record than anything on Invisible Touch as a result.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Monday, 17 July 2017 21:27 (four months ago) Permalink

if you wiped the piano track

PaulTMA, Monday, 17 July 2017 22:23 (four months ago) Permalink

everything on s/t is better than everything in invisible touch, except for 'illegal alien'.

― akm

Agree with this. I'd put an instrumental version Illegal Alien above everything on Invisible Touch too.

kitchen person, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 02:16 (four months ago) Permalink

'Mama' is the only track on Genesis that's Invisible Touch levels of quality.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 02:46 (four months ago) Permalink

^^^ he has a built-in ability to endlessly disagree

Tim F, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 03:12 (four months ago) Permalink

Well, it's true. 'Mama' is incredible - the vocal, the atmosphere, the way the acoustic drums pound against the thudding electronic percussion and Collins' demon laugh. It's superb.

However, the rest of the record pales in comparison. 'That's All' is far lighter, breezier, poppier and has less bollocks than anything on Invisible Touch ... even 'In Too Deep' has more weight. The 'Home by the Sea'/'Second Home by the Sea' medley gets some points for attempting to retain the prog, but then gets all points revoked by not being very engaging - this is something that couldn't be possibly levelled at, say, 'Domino' ... 'Illegal Alien' is a complete embarrassment, 'Just a Job to Do' is a woeful attempt at funk, and 'Taking It All Too Hard' as a ballad is nowhere near as good or as memorable as 'Throwing It All Away' or 'In Too Deep' ... 'Silver Rainbow' could have been decent, but it's let down by its corny chorus, and I can't remember anything about 'It's Gonna Get Better' aside from that it reminded me of The Style Council circa The Cost of Loving, which is not a good thing at all.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 03:29 (four months ago) Permalink

..so pertinent to discuss records that this thread is not about... more irrelevance from your hand.. Turd police, signing out.

bodacious ignoramus, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:04 (four months ago) Permalink

^ This guy is 49 years old. Apparently.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 04:17 (four months ago) Permalink

but then gets all points revoked

does it get to earn them back? how long will that take, I am concerned about this record not having sufficient pointage when all is said and done

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 05:06 (four months ago) Permalink

man I love dodo/lurker

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 05:08 (four months ago) Permalink

Meanwhile lurking by a stone in the mud
Two eyes looked to see what I was and
Then something spoke and this is what
It said to me.......

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 08:08 (four months ago) Permalink

first few bars of dodo start off like something off king crimson's red. and then it turns into this odd skank prog bologna

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 08:14 (four months ago) Permalink

wondering if any dance records have looped the goofy lurker riff

if not why not

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 08:19 (four months ago) Permalink

not really thought aboput this before but elements of dodo sound a lot like the police's behind my camel which obv came out on zenyatta mondatta one year earlier

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 08:32 (four months ago) Permalink

Omg at "skank prog bologna"

Tim F, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 09:02 (four months ago) Permalink

Green would approve, though probably not of Genesis.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 11:44 (four months ago) Permalink

thank u nickb for "skank prog bologna"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 11:47 (four months ago) Permalink

does it get to earn them back? how long will that take, I am concerned about this record not having sufficient pointage when all is said and done

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 5:06 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It does, but it never does.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 12:03 (four months ago) Permalink

I don't know. even the prog attempts on IT strike me as hollow and unengaging. There are bits of Domino that are interesting, and the Brazillian, but they seem very rote to me, and there is no heart in them. The songs sound thin, sonically, and compositionally: they don't sound like they spent very much time writing them. Maybe it's just because I spent more time with s/t than that album since s/t I got when it was released; but the pop songs on there are fantastic, interesting, engaging; and In Too Deep just sounds like easy listening pap to me.

akm, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:41 (four months ago) Permalink

Collins' singing is full of heart on 'Domino'!

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 13:46 (four months ago) Permalink

akm otm

Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:10 (four months ago) Permalink

Well, I couldn't possibly agree with Invisible Touch being hollow and unengaging - absolutely not. If anything, it's an inviting and relatable record that's easy to connect with as the songs deal woith real human emotions, rather than fall back on wacky fantasy nonsense. The songs don't sound "thin" at all, rather they've pruned away anything that doesn't need to be there - all meat, no fat.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:18 (four months ago) Permalink

This is another failure of Abacab: it's meant to be a more urgent, stark, direct record, but the epics on here are anything but, and thus ultimately tedious. Invisible Touch doesn't have this problem.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:21 (four months ago) Permalink

this thread is forcing me to look deep inside and reexamine some longstanding core principles

Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:22 (four months ago) Permalink

Phil Collins would have made a great guest on The Muppet Show.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:30 (four months ago) Permalink

the songs deal woith real human emotions, rather than fall back on wacky fantasy nonsense

i already regret engaging but, which songs on abacab do this beyond "dodo"

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:38 (four months ago) Permalink

The title track.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:40 (four months ago) Permalink

I want to see Phil drum battle against Animal.

jmm, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:41 (four months ago) Permalink

The title track.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:40 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i must not be reading it right

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:42 (four months ago) Permalink

^^^ he has a built-in ability to endlessly disagree

― Tim F, Monday, July 17, 2017 8:12 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is hilarious btw tim

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:42 (four months ago) Permalink

Well, maybe just the heartbreaking second half of the title track.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 14:43 (four months ago) Permalink

"Phil Collins would have made a great guest on The Muppet Show."

well his spitting image puppet would have made a great guest on the muppet show, then we could have had a puppet-off

akm, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 15:28 (four months ago) Permalink

Phil sighting at 1:05

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wCOuLZmt1c

Has anyone watched the Phil Collins This Is Your Life? I just skipped to the Genesis section as it seems like the worst show in the history of television.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPn2FQpWz0k

jmm, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:05 (four months ago) Permalink

I've seen the Mike Rutherford one. I don't think Jonathan King makes an appearance as I believe it arrived during his Proto-Yewtree period

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 16:19 (four months ago) Permalink

man I'm sorry but I just tried to listen to Anything She Does and that song is just straight up garbage.

akm, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 19:31 (four months ago) Permalink

Excellent song. Great chorus.

The Anti-Climax Blues Band (Turrican), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 20:48 (four months ago) Permalink

benny hill in the video iirc

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 20:56 (four months ago) Permalink

song couldve used some yakety sax to liven it up a bit imo

plp will eat itself (NickB), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:02 (four months ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdyEiZG9fdQ

PaulTMA, Thursday, 20 July 2017 18:13 (four months ago) Permalink

this thread is forcing me to look deep inside and reexamine some longstanding core principles

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:22 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Phil Collins would have made a great guest on The Muppet Show.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 7:30 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

great 1-2 punch

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 20 July 2017 19:37 (four months ago) Permalink


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