Kate/Kae Tempest

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Figured it couldn't hurt to have a thread for her. BRIT school, Mercury nominee, but this is the least interesting part. Instant comparisons to Mike Skinner's work abound, but there's a bit more to it maybe? Something very ominous in the production and her delivery and her poetry... I find myself listening obsessively to just one song at a time, despite her album 'Everybody Down' being a song cycle pretty much. Getting through the whole thing is almost too much to cope with.

Thoughts on this, ILM?

Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 10:49 (six years ago) link

Album of the year. She's an amazing storyteller, and she really inhabits the voices of all three characters so convincingly, so they're living, breathing people, not archetypes. It's a really gripping listen, en masse, and you don't know how it'll play out until the final moments. But despite being a story, it has immense replay value, and the album is littered with moments that literally knock me cold, like the interaction between the drug-dealer kid and his step-dad, or the other guy's restless and unquenchable jealousy over his masseuse girlfriend, and the way she describes the first guys as "one of those 'save me' types" when she first meets him.

I think it's a genuine masterpiece, truly remarkable. This has been an amazing year for music, but this is so easily my favourite album of the year, without question.

Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 11:12 (six years ago) link

Also cannot wait for her novel next year.

Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 11:13 (six years ago) link

That's cool. I didn't know she had a book out. Also hadn't realised she was the same person who fronted Sound of Rum a few years ago, who I initially and wrongfully dismissed I'm sad to say.

I still haven't listened to the whole thing yet. I keep getting stuck listening to certain tracks. The flow on the second track is mad, it just skips and slips all over the beat in the chorus but it works (just about). The production is really intense as well (who's in charge of that?) murky, oily beats and on 'Chicken' there's an almost Scott Walker-y dissonance going on as the family sit round the table picking over dinner and forcing small talk with their mother's new man. It's really hard to listen to that track.

Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 11:22 (six years ago) link

Yeah, Chicken is brilliant and queasy. Forgetting at the moment who produced it but he did a fab job. There are also Mike Skinner and Pikachu remixes on the Circles single that are worth a listen.

Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 11:26 (six years ago) link

Her new poetry collection Hold Your Own is brilliant too. Very different from the album.

Re-Make/Re-Model, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 16:27 (six years ago) link

Dan Carey produced btw

Re-Make/Re-Model, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 16:31 (six years ago) link

Great record

everyday sheeple (Michael B), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 17:00 (six years ago) link

^^^ great piece

yeah really good. the kind of piece that makes you want to meet her IRL.

Shepard Toney Album (dog latin), Friday, 24 October 2014 13:08 (six years ago) link

three years pass...

Is now an A-level set text. Dear fucking Christ

imago, Thursday, 15 March 2018 22:23 (two years ago) link

Big swing around in critical acclaim then?

Mark G, Thursday, 15 March 2018 22:31 (two years ago) link

Good for her.

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:10 (two years ago) link

Think of the children though.

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:14 (two years ago) link

you can hone critical skills on any old shite so no worries really

as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:15 (two years ago) link

She's great. That she aggravates ilx's cadre of Grumpy Old Men only confirms this.

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:40 (two years ago) link

LJ is now officially an old man :-o

Buff Jeckley (Tom D.), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:42 (two years ago) link

If it quacks like a duck etc

papa don't take no meth (stevie), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:43 (two years ago) link

age is an irrelevance and i'm not particularly grumpy but i reserve the right to rip the piss out of Youth Service pop culture getting bigged up by the social work massive. not good enough to be an MC, not good enough to be a poet.

as the crows around me grows (Noodle Vague), Friday, 16 March 2018 12:45 (two years ago) link

getting bigged up by the social work massive

oh, that's not a good phrase.

sbahnhof, Saturday, 17 March 2018 04:10 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

I don’t see it mentioned as a highlight often but “Pictures on a screen” is great, at the center of a venn diagram featuring gil scott heron and “making plans for nigel”.

New album has its moments too, “hold my own” in particular.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:39 (one year ago) link

The most annoying artist on 6Music heavy rotation. reeks of worthiness.

fetter, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:11 (one year ago) link

she's just a really intensely bad lyricist and poet. akin to banksy but maybe a tad more on the nose

imago, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:26 (one year ago) link

A gift to the BBC. 6Music sessions, Glastonbury coverage, the whole awe-struck voiceover bit. Desert Island Discs can't be far away.

fetter, Tuesday, 25 June 2019 18:57 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

They're an amazing artist and this is a lovely story. :D

Branwell with an N, Friday, 7 August 2020 10:10 (six months ago) link

six months pass...

Isn't that a wee bit presumptuous to claim your own personal pronoun? Additionally (s)he wants to be called in the plural, grammatically that is rubbish. What bewilders me there is that the Guardian immediately accepts and promotes this instrumentalisation of the language for a personal cause by reprinting it. Is there no public discussion about this kind of language intervention?

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:01 (two weeks ago) link

Uhhh, they/them is extremely common, is this being posted through a time portal?

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

great revive

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:08 (two weeks ago) link

Things you were shockingly old when you learned.

I'm Going to Bring a Watermelon to Mark Grout Tonight (Tom D.), Monday, 15 February 2021 19:31 (two weeks ago) link

Ahahahaha

imago, Monday, 15 February 2021 19:43 (two weeks ago) link

wait, what year is it?

The Scampo Fell to Earth (Noodle Vague), Monday, 15 February 2021 20:08 (two weeks ago) link

Is there no public discussion about this kind of language intervention?

Here y' go knock yourself out;

https://www.mumsnet.com/

piscesx, Monday, 15 February 2021 20:14 (two weeks ago) link

This usage of "they" in the singular was added to the Merriam-Webster a little more than a year ago. So yes, apparently I wasn't quite up to date. Thanks for the clarification.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 15 February 2021 20:54 (two weeks ago) link

The OED traces the singular ‘they’ back to 1375, good piece about it here from 2018:

https://public.oed.com/blog/a-brief-history-of-singular-they/

piscesx, Monday, 15 February 2021 21:02 (two weeks ago) link

I wonder if that usage had something to do with the German "Sie" which is used to address someone politely e.g. when you are not too familiar with the person. "sie" = they.

walking towards the sun since 2007 (alex in mainhattan), Monday, 15 February 2021 21:11 (two weeks ago) link

I use the singular "they" to refer to someone online if I'm unaware of their gender.

octobeard, Saturday, 20 February 2021 03:41 (one week ago) link

Should we get an admin to change the thread name? Could call it Kate/Kae Tempest since the thread starts in the Kate years.

What surprises me is how symbolic being accepted as "they" has become - as if it was the ultimate victory in recognizing that people have freedom - fluidity in their identity. I personally still don't get why it makes any difference whether you place this freedom within the conventional binary or outside, and why we pretend as if we had really just come up with the concept 5 years ago. So sure, go ahead and wear it as a badge of honor if you want, as long as you do not suppose that the rest of the world is a rigid monolith of conservatism.

Nabozo, Saturday, 20 February 2021 10:03 (one week ago) link

Hi there. This is a sincere suggestion, but if you have... questions, concerns, comments, genuine requests for discussion or a desire for explanation / learning moments (rather than you are ~having a bunch of feelings about trans and nonbinary people~ and their pesky pronouns, name changes etc. - not to mention projecting into their "supposed" beliefs?) there's a whole thread for that right here:

Trans Politics, Trans Activism, also 'rolling is this transphobic?' thread

Perhaps use that space to work through your feelings and come to a better understanding, rather than spaffing up threads for trans and nonbinary artists, with stuff that sounds and feels uncomfortably like dogwhistle transphobia to a lot of the people here?

mysterious nonbinary sea creature (Branwell with an N), Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:45 (one week ago) link

otm

The Scampo Fell to Earth (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 20 February 2021 12:46 (one week ago) link

Should we get an admin to change the thread name? Could call it Kate/Kae Tempest since the thread starts in the Kate years.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra)

Yes. As always, I think it'll stay as the original for bookmarks, but will change for everything else. I'll change it to your suggestion for search purposes, but if anyone has any strong feelings about getting rid of the old name entirely then let us know.

mod, Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:30 (one week ago) link

I'm assuming (alex in mainhattan) is not from the US (or UK) and therefore the advances in this culturally over the past several years may have passed him by. I'm not sure how other countries are addressing this evolution.

akm, Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:43 (one week ago) link

German, I think?

I'm Going to Bring a Watermelon to Mark Grout Tonight (Tom D.), Saturday, 20 February 2021 17:47 (one week ago) link

The visibility of the issue is definitely maximal in the anglosphere and, I suppose, areas that have always been on the LGBTQ forefront like Scandinavia (see "hen"). Language creativity and flexibility aside, there's bound to be slower and different uptake given levels of conservatism / liberality in politics and culture. For example, there's still heavy resistance to the use of inclusive language in gendered French, so there's a long way to go to accept pronouns such as iel in, say, the work sphere. Not that acceptability of the pronoun is a measure for the rest.

To Branwell: I won't dignify "dogwhistle transphobia" but sorry if my comment seemed insensitive and thank you for your offer.

Nabozo, Sunday, 21 February 2021 14:30 (one week ago) link


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