Shaggs!
― Jordan, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)
Shakey OTM. The conventional wisdom on Dylan and Donovan comes out of Don't Look Back, where one of the long-running jokes is "Who is this Donovan?" that they keep seeing ads for while traveling the UK. They finally meet up, jam a bit, Donovan plays "Catch the Wind" or something, and then Dylan plays "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue". Actually, both versions are pretty good, but in the book this thread is about, the authors say that Dylan totally showed up Donovan (after the song, everyone is quiet until Donovan says "I used to know a girl named Blue", which is a pretty silly remark). But yeah, the Donovan record is one of many silly choices on this list, but the book really is hilariously written.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)
(after the song, everyone is quiet until Donovan says "I used to know a girl named Blue", which is a pretty silly remark).
hahaha - imagine if the roles had been reversed and Dylan had made that remark in the appropriately sarcastic tone after Donovan played the song, everyone woulda gone "ooooh, BURN".
the "Dylan good/Donovan bad" narrative is inherently stupid, classic baby-boomer rockist posturing.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)
it woulda been funnier if Dylan had played "Froggy Went a-Courtin'"
Shakey again OTM
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)
How is Aqualung in any way 'frat boy'?
Half the frat boys I knew owned that record!
― polyphonic, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)
Nice poll, Kevin! And you're right: pretty funny book, even though I like many of their choices and take issue with most of their assumptions. (OH NOES STEVE HOWE NOT INFLUENCED BY BLUESMEN)
It comes down to a near-tie between moody Moodies muzak and metal machine music...Days Of Future Passed takes it!
Of the 50, I currently own eight, used to own a further eight, and WISH I owned Elvis/Journey/Milli Vanilli. Maybe that second Shaggs album too, tho I suspect it's kinda redundant.
― Myonga Vön Bontee, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)
Wow, you knew some really freaky frat boys dude.
― humansuit, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)
I've been looking for that Elvis record for 12 years.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)
I was gonna say, if Aqualung and Topographic Oceans are really considered frat boy classics, I love America! (Moving Pictures and DSOTM I don't doubt, OTOH.)
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― Sundar, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)
Stop and Smell the Roses is like the second best Ringo LP.
― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)
what's the first? I only have the "Ringo" one with "I'm The Greatest" on it.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:13 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I think that one's probably the best.
― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:14 (eighteen years ago)
Toss up among the Queen sets and Topographic. Seven Seas of Rhye and Now I'm Here are great songs!
Yes gets my vote.
― Bill Magill, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)
What about Goodnight Vienna? It has some cool glam-like production.
― QuantumNoise, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:27 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, maybe. It's been a while since I've heard that one.
― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)
Ok I found and listened to Having Fun With Elvis On Stage. It is really terrible, worse than I thought it would be. Listening to it, I felt drunk, without being drunk. It's like being inside the head of a bored, boring person who has no idea what to say, and does not care. So he says a whole lot of garbage. I know, this probably sounds classic. I thought that for 12 years! Well, now I know, and knowing is half the battle. (The other half is not listening to it again. That one's easy.)
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)
to really have fun with Elvis onstage you should just watch "That's The Way It Was" which is really great and also full of many wtf moments (did Elvis just say, in all seriousness, "I am totally insane, and have been for many years" to a sold out audience? yes he did)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)
see also: Elvis drunkenly falling off his chair during rehearsal, wearing his sunglasses upside down, sweating bullets before going onstage, lambasting backup singers and threatening to replace them with Mahalia Jackson etc etc
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)
Can it compete with the master?
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)
haha I've never actually heard that, unfortunately
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)
You have not lived.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 19:59 (eighteen years ago)
*kills self*
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)
glad we got the Donovan ball rolling then! :D
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)
I'd never heard of the Paul Stanley banter record, but I've found it. We'll see if it "tops" Elvis'.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)
Here we go. (The original bootleg single is from a different era than the compilation we were all freaking out over last year.)
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)
New York, lemme hear ya! Good people! This is where it all began! There wouldn't be KISS ... without New York CITY! Without the good STATE of New York! We got a lot of stuff for ya tonight...
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah I just found a 70 track compilation.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)
That would be the one from last year. And it is a joy forever.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)
yeah "That's The Way It Was" = sheer insanity.
I saw it several years ago while bar-tending a super-fan hotel party during "Elvis Week" (week-long tribute on the anniversary of his death). It was made all the more surreal by weeping Europeans watching it on the jumbo screen.
― will, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)
yikes
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)
DO YOO LAWK THE TAYSTE OF AWK-KO-HAWL???
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)
that paul stanley thing is one of the top 50 best albums of all time.
Every time one of the tracks comes on during itunes random play, the world seems a little brighter. Especially when a Nurse With Wound song comes on afterwards.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)
YSI...?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)
(its okay to ask for YSIs of unofficial bootlegs, isn't it???)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)
I don't think anyone would begrudge you this one.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN! ARE YOU READY TO ROCK! WE LOVE YOU ALL, INDIANAPOLIS, WITH OUR LOVE...GUNS! cue Salt Marie Celeste.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)
DETROIT YOU'VE OPENED YOUR HEARTS...AND YOUR LEGS...TO US
shakey i'll try to find my cd-r i don't know where it is at the moment...
― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)
I have it at home, so I'll YSI it if no one else gets to it first.
― John Justen, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)
thx - I grabbed three MP3s off of WFMU but they're only like a minute apiece
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)
Shakey check your email.
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)
1st degree 2nd degree If you've got any papers will you serve them to me?
― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)
Elvis: That's The Way It Was Is
― will, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:50 (eighteen years ago)
Thanks Euler!!!
― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)
If somebody could that would be great, I've misplaced the disc it's on.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 21:56 (eighteen years ago)
Nice poll, Kevin!
Thanx, MVB!
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 22:00 (eighteen years ago)
"Every time one of the tracks comes on during itunes random play, the world seems a little brighter" re: Stanley…
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I suspect that M*** **leman would have some insight to impart re: Guterman and the way those preILM-era crits did they thang…
― Veronica Moser, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)
Maybe that second Shaggs album too, tho I suspect it's kinda redundant.
Shaggs' Own Thing is included on the 1988 Rounder CD The Shaggs. So if you have that CD, you have Shaggs' Own Thing.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)
Nobody has the guts to put together a real list of the worst albums because it means spending oodles of time flipping through dollar vinyl for stuff that would never, ever be put out on CD. I guess it's more fun to take shots at easy targets.
This is an excellent point. But I'm not sure taking shots is only about fun. It's about cultural value as well. Which reminds me of one of my all-time fave Xgau reviews in which he calls Ministry's Filth Pig "a grindcore album worth hating." So is the worst album of all time something that enrages you and/or has been embraced by thousands, even millions? Or is it, say, a never-to-be-digitized genre piece that failed to make any impression on you whatsoever and/or has been embraced by a fan base in the single digits? (I think I've asked this question before on ILM but it bears repeating.) Is it worth it to go on record saying you hate (insert obscure grindcore band here)? What kind of value would that statement have? (Seriously asking here.)
Of course, all this says a lot about musical communities. And Xgau's own value system. Clearly, he's not part of any grindcore community. And one could question the value of his pumping, oh, The Popinjays or Orüj Güvenç.
If someone wrote a 1000-word think piece on why s/he loathes Ganzmord (to choose a recent Scott Seward fave), would anyone even publish it?
― Kevin John Bozelka, Wednesday, 8 August 2007 23:30 (eighteen years ago)