why late at night in the u.s. does ilm get all yessed out

well yeah also I miss Mew and would accept this if it was new material

Was probably overrating it out of hopefulness.

late night and I got the Yes Album on blast, I don't care how much embarrassing bullshit they put out they're still one of the sickest bands ever

inside out
outside in

I'll probably only hear the post-Magnification albums after I've heard like 30 solo albums.

I've been listening to Steve Howe's Beginnings. He sings too much, sometimes straining both his physical and emotional range, but unlike a lot of people I wouldn't say the vocals ruin the record.

Seems to me that great prog bands have a lot of great solo artists too. I know Steve Hackett's debut album is a classic but it's so brilliant that I'm surprised it doesn't come up in conversation here more.

Hackett's solo career is indeed quite good. all his first 4 are good, it gets a bit corny after that. but his recent albums are apparently on par with his early ones.

I too like Beginnings but am surprised Howe tries to even sing at all. I'm curious what his other solo albums sound like. I too am in that "Yes solo album" phase; so far Olias of Sunhollow, The Six Wives of Henry VII, and The Story of i are my favorites

Seems to me that great prog bands have a lot of great solo artists too.

not Gentle Giant! I don't know if they have a single solo album!

The Bruford albums, although far from being solo records, are terrific. One Of A Kind especially.

fair amount of controversy kicked up by this as it turns out something about this is identical to something written by Francis Monkman in 78. Downes insisted it was his own and then clarified that it seems he made a mistake, and the writing credits are being revised.

yeah actually seems like an innocent mistake, still lol @ these guys having to mine four-decade old demo tapes for inspiration

lol at them not remembering who wrote it too

that said, that's how Fly From Here happened and that is still a great album

Feel like there could be a thread about late career albums which just wound up being discarded ideas from the band’s prime. I’m pretty sure that’s what the last Van Halen album was.

Tattoo You

Change Becomes Us by Wire.

both great! it's kind of amazing to me that Tattoo You songs were cast offs.

fuck it, I'm gonna listen to every single Yes album over the next 2 months

The last Seger album was like half trunk songs.

forgot how much I like their debut. "Yesterday and Today" is such an incredibly sweet song

also lol at how much bass there is on this. i actually kinda dig how wildly uneven the mixes are on some of these late 60s albums

Early Yes when they think they are covering show tunes is awesome.

lizard by king crimson is basically a yes album right?

Jon Anderson sings one song on Lizard, but I can't imagine Yes would have wanted so much sax, oboe and trombone everywhere. And Fripp and Howe are completely different types of guitarist.

yeah I can't see Yes doing anything as brooding as "Cirkus" nor as chaotic as "Happy Family" (though parts of Relayer come close). also they never used horns & didn't really go into jazz territory outside of that first album. that said the Fripp/Anderson bit on Side B is so good it makes me wish they did a full LP together

the only thing I can think of that sounds like Lizard is Pete Sinfield's solo album...it's not too good but has some pretty fantastic sections. it's funny when Greg Lake shows up and just soars over Sinfield's voice, god if only he could've sung the whole thing

fuck it, I'm gonna listen to every single Yes album over the next 2 months

save some space for your defense of ween and soul coughing!

they only made good albums though, when you do it with Yes it's a fuckin' chore and you really get thrown off the deep end of shit after 90125

How Much Money Would It Take For You To Listen To All These Asia Albums?

Does 'every single Yes album' include ABWH? Moot point I guess.

didn't really go into jazz territory outside of that first album

Really? I feel like there's a lot of jazz fusion influence throughout their prog records, esp e.g. the first solo on "Close to the Edge", which practically gets into Mahavishnu Orchestra territory, or on Relayer. Don't disagree with you about Lizards, though.

Does 'every single Yes album' include ABWH? Moot point I guess.

I mean it's more a "Yes album" than Big Generator so yeah

Really? I feel like there's a lot of jazz fusion influence throughout their prog records, esp e.g. the first solo on "Close to the Edge", which practically gets into Mahavishnu Orchestra territory, or on Relayer.

yeah true but I guess I'm talking more tippy-tappy horn-heavy jazz. Mahavishnu sounds like a lot of prog to me

Yeah, "All Good People" swings but they didn't quite get into the territory of "Indoor Games".

also lol at how much bass there is on this. i actually kinda dig how wildly uneven the mixes are on some of these late 60s albums

― frogbs, Thursday, July 29, 2021 10:53 PM

Not the remaster?

On those first two records, it's odd that Bruford manages to get a songwriting credit (for suggesting the name "Harold Land"), but Banks and Kaye get none. I'm pretty sure Banks complained about that at some later date.

i'll have to give that sinfield album a listen

i was rather drunk when i posted that comment lol but the crossover is interesting

who were yes's closest influences? listening to "the yes album" it goes from john fahey to the hollies to like... the free design

i honestly love this band

Howe's fave was Chet Atkins, right? Obv Beatles and Zappa; you can hear CSNY in "Your Move".

Seems like he knew his classical and jazz better than Hackett too, which makes sense: https://web.archive.org/web/20040309154903/http://www.gibson.com/Whatsnew/pressrelease/2000/nov15a.html

a few years after starting guitar when I was twelve in 1959, I heard Chet Atkins and that was it. I heard who I consider the most well-rounded and most individual guitar player. Great style, great technique, but the inspiration he passed on to me was that if you want to do something, try it. If you want to step over here, try it. He gave me the idea that one guitarist could play any kind of guitar style. I never had that idea until I heard Chet. Also, jazz guitarists and classical guitarists.

mm: Any particular ones?

SH: It started with John Williams and Julian Bream, but then I realized Segovia. All three of them are brilliant. And Paco Pena and Pepe Romero play beautifully now. With jazz, as with rock, my roots were formulated by those guitarists of the post Charlie Christian era...

... mm: The ES-175 was obviously a fateful encounter, what attracted you to it?

SH: I didn't see any other guitar. That was the guitar I wanted. I loved all of the Gibsons, but when I saw the ES-175 I loved the inlays, the f-holes, and the beautiful, sharp cutaway with great access. I think mainly it was that I saw Wes (Montgomery), Joe Pass, even Kenny Burell with one. So, it was my destiny because it was a jazz guitar. What I didn't realize was that my life in music was not going to be about jazz. That was the transition period when I could have gone with the Les Paul and joined a flock of people, but the utter beauty of the 175 is what brought me around. No one was playing archtop, hollowbody guitars in a rock band. People laughed at me and thought I was really snooty. To me, it was an object of art, it wasn't just a guitar.

The comparison to Hackett was based on this quote wrt the writing of "Horizons", m/l variations on one of Bach's most famous pieces, the Prelude from the first Cello Suite in G (usu played in D on gtr-Hackett did it in G, so his comment about transposing it is a bit lol). Obv he knows his Bach now.

: I had been influenced by a piece that Julian Bream played, in fact, and I didn’t know who wrote it, and I found out years later that it was a piece by Bach and I transposed it to another key and... Bach tends to figure highly on my list of all-time favourite composers.

http://www.twronline.net/issues/twr36/twr36_sh01.htm

^source

For me, Jon Anderson + a bunch of high schoolers is more interesting than the remaining members of Yes + an Jon Anderson impersonator... https://www.phillymag.com/news/2021/08/04/jon-anderson-tour-paul-green-rock-academy/

now on Time and a Word. the thing I always thing of with this album is how the first track, "No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Required" sounds like the Sonic 2 bonus level music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MFZhzyY1ZE

I dunno if anyone else has made that connection, but it wouldn't be the first time a VGM composer ripped off classic prog...

I heard the first two Yes records years after I heard the later ones, and when I finally got to Time and a Word, two things about it struck me: that the orchestral arrangements that everyone seems to dislike are actually used pretty infrequently, and that Tony Kaye filled up the sound a lot more than I expected from his playing on The Yes Album (where I guess he is crowded out by Howe, who is of course a much more aggressive player than Peter Banks, and also used more overdubbing).

yeah the orchestra is actually kinda neat, think the bigger problem is the songs aren't very good

I remember one song has an absolute killer first half and great drums but drops off a bit.

so uh Howe's playing on "South Side of the Sky" is some real world-destroying shit

Yeah I don't usually think of that as a guitar-dominated track but I love his riffing and little fills throughout the verses. Dark and heavy while keeping an almost funky groove.

I’ve seen that this thread exists forever and just now realized (before clicking it to confirm) that it’s a Yes thread

I figured it was some weird joke or a thing where after hours posters were giving one word “yes” responses

It's the thread where it's safe to post tracks from the Alan White solo album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c9x78hY_iE

Yes solo albums S/D

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