Here you go with the playlist then - convinced that reaction from many to this will be "this stuff is all different, none of it is very good" but anyway, I like it, people never talk about it here, that's the brief.
― Gary Sambrook eats substantial meals (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link
I feel like Vaporwave was something that ILM was really late on catching up to. Like we didn't have a thread about Vektroid show up till 2016. Then again, Pitchfork also kinda ignored it for several years as well.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
Matt, there was/is a One Direction thread with almost 1000 posts, with plenty of serious discussion about their work iirc: One Direction - is this a legit new threat wrt to a new boy band invasion? y/n
...as well as a dedicated Harry Styles thread, not quite as active, but still...
Good call on the reggaeton explosion btw, even on the rolling Latin threads it was quite a hard sell for the longest time.
― obsessed with quality over quantity or the need to produce tracks (breastcrawl), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
thanks C@AL, I already know and love that Galantis track :)
― boxedjoy, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link
It's a great track, there were a few other big hits which I didn't put on after I checked and saw they'd been talked about on here - not that one apparently though.
― Gary Sambrook eats substantial meals (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:00 (three years ago) link
the vaporwave thread was started in 2012 but it is on the noize board I think
― brimstead, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:23 (three years ago) link
X-post re Cumbia, I feel like some traditional Cumbia was referenced in Latin threads but I don’t recall whether crossover Cumbia pop was discussed there or elsewhere in conversation elsewhere about the slightly problematic tropical pop music
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:35 (three years ago) link
OT but we do have a thread on Ichiko Aoba
― A Scampo Darkly (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
Cool, thanks.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
Ahh that makes more sense. vaporwave and deriative products
Sometimes I forget this site actually has boards that aren't ILM or ILE.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link
And I really never understood what the noise board was all about.
― MarkoP, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link
I don't think there were any threads dedicated to music associated with youtube video game streamers or other game-inspired music.
Five Nights at Freddy's-core?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk-aCL6eyGc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB2VDBCg2Xs
Minecraft parodies of popular songs?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTr6NASDdy0
Quasi-anonymous licensed pop songs for homebrew anime adaptations of minecraft animation soap operas that get 17 million views?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpVhmc80hRw
― peace, man, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
Minecraft parodies of popular songs = at least 50% of my kids' listening, recently they have moved on to Among Us parodies of popular songs though
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:18 (three years ago) link
I have had to listen to this too many times to count, for examplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSWzpYMKcPs
― ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
Yeah, my daughter and her friends listen to this stuff as much as I listened to Motley Crue or whatever when I was her age. Which isn't to say that the artists behind them are as big as those bands, but there is a substantial audience there. I feel like these songs will stick with people and influence them into the future.
― peace, man, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
Nu narcocorridos I haven’t seen a lot of talk about either on ilm or in the broader conversations of popular music, unlike the stuff like bad bunny et al. But natanael cano & junior h had a real impact on streaming this year and a pretty marginal media profile as well
Some styles ilm has always drifted away from or towards. I think it’s fair to say we didn’t “miss” party through smoke r&b or hyperpop as much as resist it ... altho we could be considered to have “missed” it if everyone comes around on it later, but less so if we’re comfortable with the decision. At least that’s how I’d break it down to an extent
Actually come to think of it I’m not sure what artists you’re talking about w/r/t party through smoke r&b. Weeknd himself had to abandon that style to have sustained success
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
Every time I hear a new Ichiko Aoba song I feel like it's a song I've carried with me since childhood, she really is the best
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
Everything that seems to come out of nowhere now is because of TikTok & Dubsmash memes/dances/influencers, right?
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link
that seems likely
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
i don't really like him but Post Malone has been one of the biggest artists of the decade and you'd never know here
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:57 (three years ago) link
I'm kinda confused why OP suggests PC Music was a blindspot?(tbh there were PLENTY of reasons the style became maligned and deserved to be pushed to the side imho, reread for classic ILX trainwrecks/pile-ons):
♥☮☯♫ PC MUSIC ♫☯☮♥ ☺☺☺ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°✌QT - Hey QT
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link
The one genre I think is a legit blindspot (could be my own search ineptitude) is shortly before quarantine I took some grad-school-aged folks out to lunch and they were all raving about lo-fi (vapor/chillwave subgenre), which i'd only encountered as this perpetual youtube live mix:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qap5aO4i9A
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
"Indie folk" like The Head and the Heart, Avett Brothers, Lord Huron, Dawes, etc.
― jaymc, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:08 (three years ago) link
Also: Hip™ for Basics
― jaymc, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:09 (three years ago) link
if we're openly stating that entire styles 'deserved to be pushed to the side' then idek what ilm has become
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link
just a whole lot of casual racism, let's be cool
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
actually it kind of always has been like this about certain bad & hated genres, but turning the guns on pop itself i mean cmon
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
can't believe we're relitigating this but the casual racism was an obviously cack-handed attempt to satirise racial fetishisation by someone who should have known better, and it was used to condemn the entire musical output of an entire disparate & multiracial bunch of people
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
let's push rico nasty to the side because of gfoty's awkward failed social commentary
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:18 (three years ago) link
I don't see lo-fi hip-hop as coming out of vaporwave (though there's def a relationship), so much as the eventual diluted endpoint of 'the beat scene' (post-Dilla Low End Theory/Brainfeeder + some UK post-dubstep, then Soulection, etc).
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
And now it's just algorithmic wallpaper music
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:20 (three years ago) link
does it deserve to be pushed to the side
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
yeah lo-fi beats to study to is totally hip hop derived
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
more like lowest-common-denominator-fi!
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
I was watching a video about an injured cat being nursed back to health after being left in the snow and I like the music and googled it and it was jazz beats to study to. It was really good and now I am enrolled at night school
― saer, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
^the pioneer we never realised
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
enjoying CAAL's playlist btw! even if it all kind of sounds like Patricia Taxxon but less good lol (she is basically the Bach of EDM innit m8s)
― imago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link
The cat wasn't injured I misremembered, just needed fostering (if anyone is close to Flatbush take a look)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGPa9utFxNA
Tune is at 4 mins.
― saer, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link
there was a great hardcore punk scene in the early-mid 2010s mostly based out of nyc (crazy spirit, hank wood and the hammerheads, dawn of human) but also including midwest “egg punk” weirdo bands like lumpy and the dumpers. no one except for me, dj mencap colonel poo ever posted about them on here. i succeeded in getting r|t|c into it but that was the extent of it catching on on ilx. even whiney never posted about them or acknowledged the scene in any writing, a rare gap in his nyc underground rock omniscience (although i give him the BOD and assume he just hated it and didn’t want to acknowledge/give press)
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link
lo-fi beats are the new age/muzak of now i.e. they are going to be critically reassessed as undiscovered genius in 20 years.
― na (NA), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
flopson that is so weird, I just got a Lumpy And The Dumpers flyer as part of a lot and had never heard of them. thanks!
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
I def wrote about Hank Wood and the Hammerheads
https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/03/10/download-hank-wood-and-the-hammerheads-punk-rock-blast-white-people-from-the-great-cassette-only-new-york-rules-comp/
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
― na (NA), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 12:52 PM (fourteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
There’s really no reassessing necessary if you’re looking at the pioneers of the sound; I am curious what diamonds in the rough exist in that scene separate from the beat scene that inspired it tho
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
lol Saer.
I'm sure that's true re: lo-fi. I feel a particular way about it because I was invested in the '10s stuff that it grew out of, which felt very exciting & fertile for awhile. And I stopped making that sort of music because it began to feel pointless (once the point seemed to be to make anonymous library music for youtube videos & ads). And once it got boiled down to a set of conventions with a dumb genre name.
That said, in the spirit of positivity I was watching a Dark Souls video a few weeks ago and really liked this track, to the point where I still remember it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHtBIIIF3Do
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
Btw flopson’s answer is a good one that gets at a bit more of what I’m looking for than sort of saying what-about-hugely-popular-thing like post malone or bad bunny... or for that matter pc music, even if they’re not hugely popular
Has there been much talk on here about osquinn? I’m not big I to drain gang/bladee type stuff but I think osquinn’s shit is interesting and it’s probably seen as somewhat adjacent
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
Deej I think there are still plenty of young fans of 'lo-fi hip-hop' who have their favorites, and also are largely unaware of the beat scene (eg https://www.reddit.com/r/LofiHipHop/)
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:13 PM (twenty-nine seconds ago)
as much as it would make more sense for, say, Teebs' Ardourto be hailed as a work of unsung genius in 2040, that CFCF project last year that rehabilitated corporate d&b (rather than the pioneers of the sound) made it clear you don't necessarily need diamonds, more just an affective/nostalgic pull due to ubiquity & life soundtracking
― loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
i don't think anyone's mentioned osquinn, but they draw a pretty solid line connecting hyperpop with that drain gang scene, both of which have been under-discussed on ilm relative to their prevalence in the broader online discourse
xps
― la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 2:13 PM (seventeen minutes ago)
my bad! this column ruled btw
― flopson, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
really most music coming out of post 285 kent brooklyn has been ignored? spanning neohardcore like show me the body to LEYA's deconstructed folk to the myrtle ave party scene (acemo, moma ready et al) nyc music is way better now than its GAPDY ilm heyday, imo but it's all sort of lo fi - although pointedly not to study to
sort of related:
rolling hip hop albums for people clearly doing it wrong
really the 10s was the crest of poptimism and now people are moving on back to more diaristic and lofi stuff so this is an interesting question for ilm. are we going back to ... authenticity? uh oh
― Vapor waif (uptown churl), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
I feel like "Mood" by Iann Dior and 24kGolden is a good example of something that would have been a ILX bullseye in the 00s that at the end of the 10s is bypassed or even shitted on
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
this isn't even shots at forks, well not mainly, bc i kind of 'missed' it too even though i knew it existed and was a big hit and was vaguely good, i didn't really advocate for it or rally behind it like i 'should' have
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:14 (three years ago) link
More for the thread in general as well as acknowledging a personal gap: I think it's interesting that the two TikTok threads are on ILE. Maybe we never really talked about platforms on ILM in the past that weren't exclusively music-focused, but it's a big piece of pop music culture that feels pretty unexamined here (and by me to be clear)
― rob, Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:20 (three years ago) link
bad buny being a joke entry on top tracks of 2020 is very telling
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:34 (three years ago) link
The fakeouts are all better than anything by Haim.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:41 (three years ago) link
I fell for it because he’s very good in my book (came close to voting for the first of his 2020 albums), but it still surprised me because I didn’t feel he had that much support on ILM, and I’m also not crazy about that particular track - I think it featured on some prominent EOY list(s) tho
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:42 (three years ago) link
(discussing the bunny here iciwc)
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:43 (three years ago) link
i'm pretty sure "si veo" didn't make too many lists, a very clear filler track from an album with lots of more obvious highlights
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:44 (three years ago) link
feel like you can glean something about the changes in ILM's taste from bad bunny (biggest pop star in the world) being the joke entry and 070 shake (no discernible audience beyond the internet) being the real entry following it up
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:45 (three years ago) link
It's a start.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:46 (three years ago) link
he had two tracks in the Pitchfork 100 (one at #5<>, yes people), but not this one <>just one notch higher than “Murder Most Foul” tho, so what does it all even mean?
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:51 (three years ago) link
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Thursday, January 28, 2021 1:44 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
opening track of the album, he made a video for it. not a filler track, whether or not you think it's any good (it's not one of my favourites on the album either)
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 January 2021 21:52 (three years ago) link
1. bad bunny might still make it;
2. idk why but i object to the idea he'd have been an old ILX lock; to me hes more like travis scott, but maybe its just my bias abt the music. i think hes a 'great star' but musically just not exciting to me
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:11 (three years ago) link
ilm has always had big blind spots in popular music but to have the biggest pop star as a joke entry in tracks of the year? beyond parody
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:12 (three years ago) link
oh yea ... i mean tbf i dont understand the joke in those posts at all
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:13 (three years ago) link
the joke entries used to be more deliberate trolling but this time moka went for a different vibe i guess. like in the past it was usually "here's something you all hate lol" with ed sheeran (who is a gigantic pop star) etc. but this year moka went for something more vaguely plausible with bad bunny who people seem just more indifferent about here than active dislike or anything
― ufo, Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:19 (three years ago) link
yeah I didn't want to go on about it (more) in the thread, but the fakes this year were legit confusing to me. like it did not seem implausible to me that the BB track would place, I was just taken aback by the unexpected (false) enthusiasm
― rob, Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, January 28, 2021 4:52 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
it's a hip-hop tradition to have the intro be kind of a nothing track lol, and didn't he make a video for every song on the album?
― tiwa-nty one savage (voodoo chili), Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:27 (three years ago) link
oh yeah he did make a video for every song but it was one of the first batch to be released iirc
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:51 (three years ago) link
since we're on the topic: I don't speak Spanish, what is happening at the beginning of that video?
― rob, Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:52 (three years ago) link
this is like when the consensus pick off the Rosalia album was Malamente rather than any of the ensuing tracks, all of which were way better by dint of not being a low-key intro
― imago, Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:55 (three years ago) link
xp. from memory, it's a new years eve party, a guy is about to hang himself and a kid comes up to him. the gist is: the kid asks him (the dude about to hang himself) what he's doing. he replies that his life is a mess, his family doesn't love him, his friends don't listen to him etc. the kid says "my parents don't listen to me either. you know what i do when im feeling bad? listen to bad bunny". the guy says 'bad who?" or something similar, and the kid says "come, let me show you"
― Dusty Benelux (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:56 (three years ago) link
thanks jim
― rob, Thursday, 28 January 2021 22:58 (three years ago) link
xxp iirc Rosalia had 2 songs - Pienso en tu mira and Malamente back to back in the poll 2 years ago.
― danzig, Thursday, 28 January 2021 23:03 (three years ago) link
also imago, ^that actually happened unlike the Bad Bunny placement
― rob, Thursday, 28 January 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
people were sleeping on “Di Mi Nombre”
― Long Tall Arsetee & the Shaker Intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 28 January 2021 23:04 (three years ago) link
Yeah Pienso en tu mira banged iirc
― imago, Thursday, 28 January 2021 23:06 (three years ago) link
"Indie folk" like The Head and the Heart, Avett Brothers, Lord Huron, Dawes, etc.― jaymc, Tuesday, December 15, 2020 1:08 PM (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 03:43 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOz3VJD4L0oI really liked this the first few times I heard it but could imagine getting sick of it.
― Hitsville Ukase (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 24 August 2021 03:51 (three years ago) link
Still in the Latin American & Caribbean zone, Brazilian funk carioca and its subgenres surely ? The Modern Brazil thread is also not the most active and artists like Elza Soares or Meta Meta do not have threads to their name.I have also come recently to consider Spanish Pop as its own sub-world, not just as pop that happens to be in Spanish, if that makes sense.Another could be folk maybe ? Rhiannon Giddens for example does not return any results
― Nabozo, Tuesday, 24 August 2021 07:03 (three years ago) link
nabozo otp
― Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Wednesday, 25 August 2021 00:14 (three years ago) link