vaporwave and deriative products

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http://beerontherug.bandcamp.com/album/floral-shoppe

have been listening for the last couple of minutes... and maybe i'm too eager but now i'm thinking :finally. a break from my boredom after a few months of going nowhere.

Sébastien, Thursday, 8 November 2012 15:56 (eight years ago) link

i'll just paste a bunch of links i copied from a thread on 4chan before it expired, makes it easier to check out later

vaporwave goes hard as fuck . love this stuff .
http://ailanthusrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/soft-season
http://www.sunsetcorp.org/
http://internetclubdotcom.angelfire.com/
http://vektroid.bandcamp.com/

http://soundcloud.com/yungyachtmusic/recording-4-17-12-5-54-45-pm

http://crystalmagic.bandcamp.com/album/high-fashion-mood-music/

http://www.mumu.io/player/vaporwave

It's appropriating the globalised capitalist commodified aesthetic (specifically of 1980s/90s East Asia, Japan) to mock the vacuity of its art products in order to create a criterion of the kind of society we live in today (the post-internet late capitalist bazaar)

http://beerontherug.bandcamp.com/

Post-internet is a term that is used to describe a new media art scene active in the past few years. The most important portal for such is Tumblr. These circles spawn visual new media art trash and microgenres like hypnagogic pop, seapunk and vaporwave, which is what you're listening to. Vaporwave is an aesthetic built around corporate culture glorification, 80's/90's early internet era and exploring the uncanny.

It's all very post-modern by nature, and is based on exploring alternative mediums and surreal ways of expression. Substance and the end result are valued over values like composition and production.

Sébastien, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:03 (eight years ago) link

Post-internet

wolves lacan, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:14 (eight years ago) link

im taking credit for coining the term 'vaporwave' with this tweet, retweeted by nullsleep who is a well-known player in the new media scene

Anime Mann (diamonddave85), Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:18 (eight years ago) link

i'll just paste a bunch of links i copied from a thread on 4chan

lol

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:18 (eight years ago) link

uh who is to blame for this oneohtrix ferraro such a shame

wolves lacan, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:22 (eight years ago) link

post-lacan

am0n, Thursday, 8 November 2012 16:58 (eight years ago) link

(don't be afraid of 4chan) Sébastien is going to get you fired with (some of) those links (post more)

wolves lacan, Thursday, 8 November 2012 19:05 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

here i go again, just dumping stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjhHPzK6enE
http://i.imgur.com/mhOOtlz.png

So what makes vaporwave, slowed vocal, pop capitalism muzak, something else?
As there's a lot of pretty much identical music being produced. Then a bunch of stuff that sounds nothing like the rest but is kind of vaporwave-ish.

*incoming dump codename GYROS*

Chuck Person's Eccojams
Farside Virtual
Fuji Grid TV
Replica
Floral Shoppe
1976 DISKO
Fashion Island

http://i.imgur.com/8rwuXEH.jpg

virtual help desk

i thought vape wave was done with...
metro-ko took it's place in like septemberish?
metro > vape all day every day bay bay

I wouldn't be making metro-ko were it not for Chuck Person and New Dreams LTD.
http://i.imgur.com/f9z4ige.png

this and mediafired - Pathway Through Whatever are my favs of the whole vaporwave/eccojams thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlug8QDIDZg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qg-LAbsURY

http://i.imgur.com/QhosKCl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QSGJbgA.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/pf1cJ3i.jpg

>tfw no blank banshee acid

Sébastien, Sunday, 27 January 2013 00:06 (eight years ago) link

wack

the late great, Sunday, 27 January 2013 02:34 (eight years ago) link

it's part of it, yes.
http://www.mediafire.com/vaporwave

Sébastien, Sunday, 27 January 2013 02:56 (eight years ago) link

chuck person eccojams are legit

pull up to the shrink with my feelings missing (m bison), Sunday, 27 January 2013 03:27 (eight years ago) link

i'm not sure exactly what is going on here but i like it

ramblin' evil mushroom (clouds), Sunday, 27 January 2013 04:21 (eight years ago) link

http://f0.bcbits.com/z/37/14/3714586732-1.gif

Mordy, Sunday, 27 January 2013 04:30 (eight years ago) link

i'm not sure exactly what is going on here but i like it

― ramblin' evil mushroom (clouds), Sunday, 27 January 2013 04:21 (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why can't he just sing normally, unmannered and natural? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 January 2013 08:15 (eight years ago) link

i cd listen to this stuff for days, don't know if this is indicative of a problem with me or what.

why can't he just sing normally, unmannered and natural? (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 27 January 2013 08:17 (eight years ago) link

Constant revolutionising of production, uninterrupted disturbance of all social conditions, everlasting uncertainty and agitation distinguish the bourgeois epoch from all earlier ones. All fixed, fast-frozen relations, with their train of ancient and venerable prejudices and opinions, are swept away, all new-formed ones become antiquated before they can ossify. All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind.

Mordy, Sunday, 27 January 2013 15:13 (eight years ago) link

feels like cyber witch house

乒乓, Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:53 (eight years ago) link

less gothy witch house

乒乓, Sunday, 27 January 2013 22:53 (eight years ago) link

ah there it is . http://metrophone.bandcamp.com/
right now i know nothing about it

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:51 (eight years ago) link

sebastien, do u just listen or do u also make music?

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:52 (eight years ago) link

this juche album is super pretty

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 04:54 (eight years ago) link

i am not making music right now. haven't recorded anything since, hehe, sounds weird since it was another tech time and etc but i gave up recording stuff after reading a review of Sparklehorse – Good Morning Spider , in a time when reading was listening for broke ppl. ehhe. it had nothing to do with what i was doing, eh, it was more like ariel pink's impression of charlotte gainsbourg weird stuff. i was disturbing myself. before that i had a few dat of intl. quality noise tracks still lying somewhere. plus i have a show of late gov.alpha in there too. lots of space on those DATs. i made some images recently in a pains style, and have downloaded audacity so who knows.

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:30 (eight years ago) link

DATs. might as well say i will never listen to that stuff again and it's ok.
listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=guZueuki4-Q linked upthread. missed it first time around, nice vid

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:51 (eight years ago) link

meshes of the afternoon meets overeager sales pitch

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:54 (eight years ago) link

a lot of the vapor stuff feels so transient and inconsequential which i imagine is by design but leaves me feeling very unfulfilled after long listening session - like i've just been sold a timeshare that doesn't exist

Mordy, Monday, 28 January 2013 05:55 (eight years ago) link

yeah, and if some artists feels more "hook" generous" it must be a particularity from the listener's point of view but overall you are right. it's a monotonous rumination that is timely and i particularly like that it has a certain rebellious philosophy at heart. it is with self-awareness that it creates a space where certain concepts can be made to be used for the next "genre".

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:14 (eight years ago) link

i must add : i am interested in listener generated perceptions of hooks and also i am drunk : apology of an unfaithful culture consumerist

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 06:27 (eight years ago) link

http://soundcloud.com/yorkmorgan/zoe
http://i.imgur.com/cL3vG26.jpg
fuck off with this forced bullshit
http://metro-ko.tumblr.com/#41223466804

Christ this is so pretentious.

You guys notice shit like Vaporwave,
Chillwave, Seapunk and other stupid trends that come and go and try to hop on by making up some bullshit new genre.

There are already dozens of bands that make droney type music that fits this "aesthetic", but you faggots don't even care about that. It's like Witch House, album art, pretentious naming and the "lifestyle" of the music comes before the actual music.

You are no better than those kids who start a band and don't actually write any songs.

and yeah, this is gimmicky as fuck, but there's definitely potential in the music if people stop rushing effortless shit out.

The problem is that the music is an afterthought. The people who post in these threads clearly just want to be relevant and if the genre did get big (and then die out very quickly like all these genres) they could say "I was part of that". Music should be made because you feel right making it and natural, not because you have to fit into some requirements that some guy on /mu/ told you it has to be.

That is true, but I imagine people will calm down and spend more time and effort on their tracks soon. Just here in the beginning people are eager to try, and want to get stuff out as quickly as possible.

*********
nobody even knows what metro-ko is

right now it's just "vaguely city feeling electronic music"
****************** That made me think of a thread i have saw recently-ish, that i thought i had saved, about city driving electronic music feel or something... basically it was about techno. can't find the keywords to find it. ilx enhanced suite.

the way i see it, the genre will die out as fast as vaporwave does unless somebody makes an extremely creative well thought out and interesting album that actually evokes emotion. i'd actually be interested in hearing something like that.

Sébastien, Monday, 28 January 2013 08:03 (eight years ago) link

The problem is that the music is an afterthought.

mistaking the problem for a feature

Hermann Hesher (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 January 2013 09:16 (eight years ago) link

wd do a "T/S vaporwave vs influential albums" thread but imaginary dichotomies

Hermann Hesher (Noodle Vague), Monday, 28 January 2013 09:18 (eight years ago) link

hat made me think of a thread i have saw recently-ish, that i thought i had saved, about city driving electronic music feel or something... basically it was about techno.

this one?
Recommend me some FUTURISTIC, METROPOLITAN TECHNO

ramblin' evil mushroom (clouds), Monday, 28 January 2013 17:27 (eight years ago) link

less gothy witch house

What is the point of less gothy witch house?

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Monday, 28 January 2013 17:43 (eight years ago) link

says the goth

Hermann Hesher (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:07 (eight years ago) link

less gothy witchhouse = house?

crüt, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 08:16 (eight years ago) link

clouds, that's the one. thank you!

Sébastien, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 13:37 (eight years ago) link

ya this is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCt_VV4_Nf4

ramblin' evil mushroom (clouds), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 18:07 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

vaporwave deriviative product very early in it's alpha phase : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_cringe pickling. proof of concept no.1 named "low hanging fruits" : "It's Gonna Rain"-esque minimalist musical juxtaposition of beatles hits rip-off by "exotic" bands with the original real deal.

proof of concept no.2 : same recipe as no.1 but applied to ccr bad moon rising and les cyniques ah si j'étais milionnaire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZgV0_746Ng
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Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 04:08 (eight years ago) link

ah si j'aurais de l'argent / I hear hurricanes ablowing

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 04:20 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/mjruQWN.jpg

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 05:10 (eight years ago) link

how is this going to work unless you are from the cultural cringe culture and know which part of that culture to recontextualise?

>>
Anon

well yeah, where are you my people?

but seriously, i know this thread is somewhat of a shot in the dark but the innenets is known to be a hub of many cultures . who knows, maybe you are a native french speaker and so am i and here we are communicating in english because it is the thing that is expected of us do in this context.

that said, it is possible that you have lights to shine on what is happening in other cultures than your own: i bet most post-colonial studies was written by straight white guys who speaks english badot dot dot

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 06:58 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ky5ClIjL8
you know what i am talking about so let's make an exhaustive list right here

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 07:02 (eight years ago) link

ok now im on another trip i rather like that honest cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3EC9vgUONE

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 07:20 (eight years ago) link

"honest" ... made me think of em "yéyé" again, that i still don't know that much about; i think they were received a notch above novelty songs, like a therapeutical gesture, most of the pop not knowing english it must have been a nice way to engage with that "collective energy"/ marketing and release it in a way ; in a jokey way or whatever

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 07:47 (eight years ago) link

visualizing gainsbourg ironically unnerving the crowd to get em to toss some cash money on the stage and picking it all up very much unironically because he was poor, and mumbling to himself "so this is what they like ... i'll give em some more, then."

Sébastien, Wednesday, 13 February 2013 08:03 (eight years ago) link

increasingly enjoying these alternate universe projections of my own teenagerhood by people who were babies at the time.

space phwoar (Hurting 2), Monday, 25 February 2013 03:29 (eight years ago) link

two weeks pass...

There's so much of this stuff (the music that the thread was originally about, not the other types of derivativeness immediately above) that it's hard to know what's noteworthy, but I like this comp: http://fortune500.bandcamp.com/album/the-music-of-the-now-age

Dan I., Thursday, 14 March 2013 05:57 (eight years ago) link

https://noproblematapes.bandcamp.com/track/luxury-sedan

some golden era (2015) cat system Corp for your pleasure, from the Audi album. The sample is from delegation’s 1983 jam “it’s your turn”

https://youtu.be/RZritl5yij0

ncxkd, Sunday, 20 September 2020 21:21 (ten months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://youtu.be/nv9K_nqF94o

18 carat affair - 7 pm

ncxkd, Tuesday, 13 October 2020 22:30 (nine months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Mesh has mad OG cred. Favorite thing of his is his half of ロストエデンへのパス

ncxkd, Friday, 6 November 2020 20:24 (eight months ago) link

This looks good

https://i.imgur.com/Gl2Wh2D.jpg

Been pretty into late night lo fi recently

calstars, Sunday, 15 November 2020 19:51 (eight months ago) link

sweet lineup

nxd, Thursday, 19 November 2020 12:09 (eight months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Sy2th6l.png
Fire toolz crushed it last night on the Corp vapor memory stream

ncxkd, Sunday, 22 November 2020 19:46 (eight months ago) link

Vwave daily news headlines 12/4:
- telepath speaks out about bandcamp artists
- hke sells 500 vinyl copies of a repress of 2047
- luxury elite plays killer half hour set on twitch
- new releases from qmxd x kuroi ame, global pattern

calstars, Saturday, 5 December 2020 03:06 (seven months ago) link

“speaks out”?

brimstead, Saturday, 5 December 2020 18:40 (seven months ago) link

I feel like telepath and dream catalog basically just monetized vaporwave or whatever anyway, seemed like it was mostly free digital files before??

brimstead, Saturday, 5 December 2020 18:42 (seven months ago) link

lol disregard that post of mine,literal shitposting

brimstead, Saturday, 5 December 2020 18:43 (seven months ago) link

big ups to Late Night Lights for figuring out how to stream codeine directly to the bloodstream

lukas, Saturday, 5 December 2020 20:02 (seven months ago) link

I caught Auto’s opening set and it sounded great

calstars, Saturday, 5 December 2020 20:28 (seven months ago) link

https://www.twitch.tv/utopiadistrict
Late night lights ^
Get in here! Lindsheaven, telepath, and Lux still to come

calstars, Sunday, 6 December 2020 22:38 (seven months ago) link

lol gone now

frogbs, Friday, 18 December 2020 03:41 (seven months ago) link

yahtzee that went fast

nxd, Friday, 18 December 2020 10:56 (seven months ago) link

New internet club album on Luxury Elite’s resurrected Previe Guide label.

https://internetclubdotcom.angelfire.com/

calstars, Friday, 18 December 2020 13:12 (seven months ago) link

https://prevueguide.bandcamp.com/album/thousand-one-half-stars

calstars, Friday, 18 December 2020 13:44 (seven months ago) link

another variant of the dds album is coming sometime today if someone wants one

you'll have to act fast I assume

frogbs, Friday, 18 December 2020 15:03 (seven months ago) link

it would be nice if they pressed another 10 copies of the last windows96 album again so I can not buy it

brimstead, Friday, 18 December 2020 16:41 (seven months ago) link

https://www.100percentelectronica.com/collections/deaths-dynamic-shroud/products/deaths-dynamic-shroud-ill-try-living-like-this-2xlp-deluxe-180-gram-gold-edition

if anyone wants it, you should probably act in the next 15 minutes

frogbs, Friday, 18 December 2020 20:07 (seven months ago) link

haircuts 4 men is an old friend of mine. we threw a monthly dance night and published zines together back in the day. he used to tell me he thought it was funny that people listen to his music. but now he has built up a devoted following and become very collectible and i'm so happy for him.

his latest pressing (which is of some older work) sold out in just a couple of hours and i'm too late to cop :(

https://mypetflamingo.bandcamp.com/album/lp

davey, Saturday, 19 December 2020 02:31 (seven months ago) link

Cool! I have two of his albums from 2018

calstars, Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:45 (seven months ago) link

it's wild how much his recs are going for on discogs

davey, Saturday, 19 December 2020 04:09 (seven months ago) link

It’s a zadig the jasp kind of morning
https://vcrecordings.bandcamp.com/album/from-nowhere

ncxkd, Saturday, 19 December 2020 15:14 (seven months ago) link

hell yea man this is hitting just right

davey, Saturday, 19 December 2020 17:45 (seven months ago) link

HFM tells me the label is gonna send a couple three of the records they pressed out to the islands, so i may get a copy after all :-)

davey, Saturday, 19 December 2020 17:49 (seven months ago) link

Vek admonishing virtual Keanu in cyberpunk 2077 for not appearing in the Johnny mnemonic video game is the most Boolean thing ever

ncxkd, Sunday, 20 December 2020 06:54 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

https://i.imgur.com/joLJlDV.png
Happening now and this weekend !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7v9hRfvf1Q

calstars, Saturday, 30 January 2021 06:10 (six months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/RFUmVel.png

calstars, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 01:21 (five months ago) link

holy shit there are like 200 artists performing at the latin vaporwave festival

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:07 (five months ago) link

also from the atlantic article i learned about this

https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:21 (five months ago) link

there's something charming about a scene with probably a 2:1 musician:listener ratio

they should have festivals where you can only listen if you're willing to play a slot, even if it's just thirty seconds

lukas, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:44 (five months ago) link

lol

brimstead, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:48 (five months ago) link

https://aesthetics.fandom.com/wiki/Chaotic_Academia

this is kinda infuriating me

brimstead, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:53 (five months ago) link

maybe this wiki can help me with my bedroom lightning though

brimstead, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:54 (five months ago) link

lighting

brimstead, Tuesday, 9 February 2021 02:54 (five months ago) link

I walked around trump tower one day in late 2019 and found it very vaporwavey—the waterfalls, the brass, the sinister kitsch.

treeship., Tuesday, 9 February 2021 03:00 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

apropos of nothing I'd like to share this thought: my 6 year old son is really into Mario Party for the Switch, so the other day I figured I'd YouTube some of those minigame compilations from the first few Mario Party games. I was stunned by how horrible they looked...I remembered them looking way better. In fact I remember when the N64 came out having the thought that video games had entered the final frontier, the graphics were about as good as they'd ever be (I was 10 so yeah I was pretty dumb). Anyway as I get older and watch the nostalgia cycle refresh itself every 10 years or so it's kind of interesting to see this whole era kinda get skipped. 80's aesthetics still look cool, because computer graphics were so simple back then, all straight lines and neon colors...like, when I saw Kraftwerk all their 'vintage' graphics still looked modern and neat. But the era I grew up with was messy and so aesthetically unpleasing...all jagged lines and misshapen bodies and backgrounds with way too much shit going on at once. Even the best and most advanced video games like Mario 64 were full of glitches, arms would just disappear and objects would just float into space. Nobody would ever try to "replicate" the look and feel of 90's computer animation. The whole computerworld outlined in The Matrix would never come back. It's too ugly. That's why I like vaporwave, because it actually does try to bring this stuff back to life: the idea of a "virtual" world that's so jagged and underdeveloped that nobody would ever want to spend time there as anything more than a gimmick. I watched one of those George Clanton streams and it occurred to me, he's got to be one of the only people on the planet making stuff like this today. It's uh...pretty neat.

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 22:34 (five months ago) link

“it actually does try to bring this stuff back to life: the idea of a "virtual" world that's so jagged and underdeveloped that nobody would ever want to spend time there as anything more than a gimmick. “
Are you talking sonically or regarding the visual aesthetic?

calstars, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:30 (five months ago) link

mostly visually, particularly certain Vektroid covers and Esprit's virtua.zip, which very much has that broken Sega Saturn 2.5D look to it. that said I think the music imitates that as well - a lot of Clanton's stuff sounds like it's playing out of a 15" Hitachi TV and a bunch of artists purposely try to sample stuff commercials & movies that everyone else forgot about. I remember one of them talking about a compilation of early 90's commercials that someone had that wasn't on YouTube and how it was like a treasure trove for this kind of thing.

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 March 2021 23:56 (five months ago) link

banger Lindsheaven set from the latin all-stars fest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huC2mV_0IhE

ncxkd, Thursday, 4 March 2021 19:03 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

https://i.imgur.com/MP29xyc.png

calstars, Wednesday, 31 March 2021 01:07 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Apparently Lindsheaven / Mt Shrine (Cesar) has passed due to COVID.

RIP Lindsheaven Virtual Plaza. Can't believe it.

— Gorgeous Lights (@gorgeous_lights) April 15, 2021

calstars, Friday, 16 April 2021 12:20 (three months ago) link

oh no! Rip

brimstead, Friday, 16 April 2021 19:07 (three months ago) link

two weeks pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coCo3nbOusA

calstars, Monday, 3 May 2021 02:36 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

https://vav-31.bandcamp.com/track/soul-mates

calstars, Saturday, 31 July 2021 21:54 (four days ago) link


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