― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link
The only thing I recal thinking about this song is that it was a knockoff of "He Hit Me (And It Felt Like A Kiss)."
Personally, I also love "Heaven Tonight," even if it's just a musical excuse for Billy Corgan to make a Cheap Trick reference, and I think it's a sweet lullaby to Frances.
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Je4nn3 Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:07 (eighteen years ago) link
corgan wasn't involved in heaven tonight in any way. it's a love/erlandson composition, and it was courtney's idea to pay tribute to cheap trick by that reference.
― jonfromsweden, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:08 (eighteen years ago) link
"Playing Your Song" = the most "Live Through This" song on the album. LOVE IT.
Her enunciation of "FUCKIN' WONDERFUL" proves she's a great singer.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:10 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― gr3k0, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link
i think it's just that she's so scatterbrained that she has a new emotion every five seconds, or she can find a variety of different emotions in one stock "mood" (how many people ever only feel DEPRESSED when they're sad? no, they feel sarcastic, wistful, mad, confused, occasionally exhilarated).
it took me many years to admit this, but i like it more than "he hit me." it feels more vulnerable, not quite so glib and arch in its irony.
― jbr not logged in, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link
Well, smackdown to me, then :-D
I still think it's a great song.
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
sure! I love the whole record, why not. "Reasons.." has the "miles and miles of perfect skin" line in it, and a Pavement reference and "When the fire goes out you better learn to fake/It’s better to rise than fade away." so great.
perhaps it's that they're pitched at a place where sunniness and suicidal depression can co-exist more easily
I think it's basically.. the 90's was all about boys on the radio caught in, uh, downward spirals and Courtney's saying, stop, enough of this! (I agree.) I don't find it nihilistic in the least - all the references to passing moments & fading away are more.. acknowledging that & moving on, really. Never been a fan of Billy Corgan but he seems totally stuck in that old melodrama.
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link
I agree: her lyrics are often exemplary. Compare the how-do-you-like-me? celebrity games of the title track with Nirvana's "Serve the Servants" and the latter just seems sour and enervated.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Eppy (Eppy), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:36 (eighteen years ago) link
Not specifically, but her witty unpredictable's been discussed in a few other threads...
TS: "Malibu" versus "Simple Kind of Life"ts: courtney vs brodywhy do people on ILM hate "live through this" ? Who are the great lyricists of today?
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:49 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Stolen from a late 80s/90s L.A. band featuring Don Bolles, wasn't it?
― eek, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:21 (eighteen years ago) link
-- jonfromsweden (jon.la...), March 14th, 2006.
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and i just noticed i used the word "great" two times too many. -- jonfromsweden (jon.la...), March 14th, 2006. (jonfromsweden)
The remix:i'm amazed too. and happy. this is a truly grebt album and to see this grebbt discussion, eight years later and without any focus on courtney love's public persona but all about the music, is grebbbt.
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:42 (eighteen years ago) link
Almost 100 posts in, too. This place is weird without Alex in NYC...
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link
I've only heard a couple of songs on Celebrity Skin, so I won't try. I prefer Autobiography to I Am Me, though I like the latter quite a lot; and when Mikael Wood reviewed Autobiography he said that basically it was this decade's Live Through This, so maybe I won't like Celebrity Skin quite as much as I like Live Through This.
(But Autobiography actually has much more of a spring in its step than Live Through This Has does. Autobiography explicates the pain so as to dance free of it. On Live Through This, the pain is a big part of the dance. As it is on the title song of I Am Me.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link
I think you will enjoy Celebrity Skin, then.
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 22:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link
I also love the other spin on the line darla quoted from "Awful": "It was punk, it was perfect, now it's awful!"
No-one's ever really explained to me the Tori/Courtney/Trent mythology behind "Professional Widow".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 09:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 10:27 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― anthony, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 11:16 (eighteen years ago) link
http://vintagestars.com/river/SoundsSingles.html
― jonfromsweden (jonfromsweden), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 12:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Le Baaderonixx de Benedict Canyon (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 14:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:02 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:fudgyl2jxpnb
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― xhuxk, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link
(Now I go offline.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link
(Now I really go offline.)
― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link
― Je4nne Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 18:37 (eighteen years ago) link
this is the version from the "malibu" single:http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0AYM1QNQ19PMP0GD4PN43QP3JJ
― PRIVATE HELL 36 (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 19:14 (eighteen years ago) link