why do people on ILM hate "live through this" ?

98. Manic Street Preachers - The Holy Bible
It's just got better songs.

97. Blur - Parklife
Again, better songs.

96. Orbital - Snivilisation
Do I need a reason?

95. Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works II
Please!

94. Oasis - Definitely Maybe
Even this is better than "Live Through This"

93. Nirvana - Unplugged
Why would you even want a Hole album if you already have Nirvana records?

This took me two minutes to write.

I can't stand it, I must admit. Basically b/c when I listen to it, it makes me feel unhappy.

I have never heard LTT.

These people were called "the sane". "Celebrity Skin" is a better album, Courtney is a lot better at "rocking" than "rock", but as a selection of singles, the idea that Nirvana have three songs to match "Violet", "Miss World", and "Doll Parts" (not to mention "Rock Star") is, frankly, dumb.

so you were there? give me a break. surely Kurt had something to do with it. he was a miserable twat long before he met Courtney, long before he was famous.

I like his music though.

I've never heard the album, obv., but all of the singles were pretty awesome.

Cos the bands sounds similar in mmany ways and it's rumoured Kurt wrote chunks of the album.

They were. No fucking comparison. Courtney was a much better singer and much better songwriter for one, I mean two, things.

addendum to my previous post:

(Either that, or Kurdt just gave most of his best songwriting to Courtney. Even after was dead.) (Unless Billy Corgan and Jordan Zadarozny etc. just gave Courtney all of THEIR best songwriting then.)

What I don't get, and I'll probably get crucified for this, is the hate for Arrested Development's 3 Years. . . I think it's really interesting and enjoyable.

Celebrity haters = me yawning.

letting the thread morph into whatever = maybe we should just change the subject, I know how you like that

so be careful.

so be careful"

I think I've just entered a Brian de Palma movie.

Not interestingly or surpisingly, I just noticed that it only took three posts for this thread to veer into the world of Courtney and away from the album.

Is that an ILM record, I wonder.

They made a conscious decision to keep themselves private, which Courtney has never done at any point in the last twelve years.

Making a conscious effort to keep oneself out of the limelight does a lot to transcend the differences between male celebrities and female celebrities.

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What differences?

i agree with yr second post, natch

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On this, Chuck, we can agree. And he's a better songwriter than Kurt, Courtney, Billy, and Linda Perry. *If* he's still writing his own songs.

whoa...xposts out a wah-zoo.

But talking about somebody staying out of the spotlight gets boring real fast (MJ is an exception, but then again, his level of ubercelebrity and uberfreakiness is also an exception). People move on to talking about other things -- but in Courtney's case, she always reappears to supply them with new ammunition. What the media/fans/Courtney hataz do with that ammunition is a different matter (as opposed to how they would treat male celebs).

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And he is a better singer and dancer as well!! And he hires better rhythm sections! (Axl comes oddly close on all counts, however. And they're both from Indiana!)

-- Vic (filmclasse...), September 1st, 2004.

You had to do a presentation on the film to get that across?

Anyway, as for my two cents worth: I've always been indifferent towards Hole/Courtney Love. I don't have that scarily irrational hatred that some people seem to have of her. She's written some good songs ("Violet" and "Doll Parts" especially). But I dunno, she never made much of an impression on me.

The whole Cobain wrote LTT thing is bullshit. Any similarity between Hole and Nirvana prolly comes from them working in roughly similar styles of music and the fact of Cobain and Love being married. It's well-known that they influenced each other's writing, but that doesn't equal cobain writing hole's album.

We creepy people typing away are far from the brain of a rock-star, I'm sorry to say this but I must. vive la difference

Oh for cryin' out loud, Fuck Michael Jackson!

Thea isn't creepy or bilious. Sure, she hangs around in belfreys and keeps talking about the blood of the living, but who doesn't?

I wonder if they combined their album collections? Or kept them in separate rooms. (Kurt's was more indie '80s pigfuck and Courtney's more major-label '80s modern rock, from what little I've read. I bet Curt would be real pissed if Courtney mis-filed his Flipper album!)

People probably hate it cuz they hate Courtney, cuz...she could be a cunt sometimes.

For once in this thread I'm in agreement with Alex

This is kinda embarrassing, but when I first heard her sing that line in "Asking for It" - "Live through this and I swear that I would die for you," or something like that - I actually cried.

"Doll Parts" is also excellent. Heartbreaking, too.

I hate the corny Chinatown/LA dystopia images on the cover and the insert, although the nod to the cover of the Gun Club's Miami is sort of nice.

Tim Finney--sorry I missed your comments about Eric Erlandson just three posts above mine. I wonder if he's retired? He used to be a real man-about-town, EfH, but I rarely see him out anymore. Not that I get out much, though.

how is this a patronizing statement?

Wait, am I using the word "patronizing" correctly?

(Also, I'm leaving in less than twenty minutes.)

Dammit, I know I'm gonna have to leave any minute now...

courtney introduced to me the idea that i could be a rock bitch, and the riot grrrls drove it home. i haven't heard any other hole albums. i had the misfortune of hearing "mono" recently and found it boring and lifeless.

This is my favorite comment on this entire thread, I think!

What's so great about what I said?