Ken Burns' COUNTRY MUSIC Documentary

They just brought up that June was married when she and Johnny first got together.
They were both married iirc?

To other people, I mean

Yes. Figured it went without saying.

my interest started to flag when they were goin in to Hank Williams Jr. and Roseanne Cash careers but then they tied it all up nicely with Pancho and Lefty

i haven't seen this but: rosanne cash rules and king's record shop changed country music. is it just boringly rendered

The episode they focus on her in is by far the longest one, and to be honest, they could have moved both her and/or Hank Jr. to the next one for better effect.

ahhh. jeez i gotta start watching this already

I think all the eps are streaming for free on the PBS site now, so dig in!

they are streaming until 10/6 iirc

oh shit i'll never finish lol

It’s on Kanopy now.

Wow. Who has access to that anymore?

I do

tbh I don't use it much though

Replacements thread reminding how things like their country covers and pastiches helped lead the way, for me and my cohort at least, back to the this stuff, along with the same from pub and punk rockers, especially Elvis Costello and Nick Lowe, as well as the not-uncommon “turn” from punk to alt-country and early adopter country punks like, say, Jason and the Scorchers, whereas before this was just music I was forced to listen to in the car with my dad, on a pretty tightly formatted station such that the only time I heard about Lefty Frizzell was on a Sunday night interview show. Kind of dreading watching the last episode as it rides off into the sunset as I doubt this will be discussed, didn’t notice it in the penultimate episode.

Forgot to mention X and The Blasters and no doubt several more.

Which I just reminded myself of, but will leave to others to bring to thread if they want.

Ah, thanks for reminding me that Jason (Ringenberg) has a new album out this year, though it's not on his bandcamp (yet?)---lots of stuff here:
TS: Lone Justice or Cruzados or Drivin' & Cryin' or Green On Red or Del Fuegos or Jason & The Scorchers or Long Ryders or Bodeans?

and

The Blasters: C or D?

Did they mention "Dead Flowers"? Still need to check Townes VZ's version.

Don’t think so. Believe they did mention Gram Parsons’s involvement with Exile On Main Street, but that was probably the extent of any Rolling Stones connection.

Darn. Oh yeah, some of this pertains:
Giant Sand / Howe Gelb P0X

Never appreciated until now the country, blues & rockabilly classics that were introduced to me by Beasts of Bourbon covers alone

I think Cantwell's recent Tanya Tucker piece for the New Yorker put it pretty well:

/Because it’s a late-career country-music comeback, “While I’m Livin’ ” is bound to be compared to Johnny Cash’s “American Recordings.” But Rick Rubin, the producer of the Cash album, succeeded in part by shrinking Cash’s complexity to a kind of two-dimensional rebellion.

Remember too that Cash--perhaps with some label influence--had cast a wide net for material for some time: He was one of the first Country artists to record Dylan; "Ballad of Ira Hayes" was by a Greenwich folkie; and in the '80s he was recording Nick Lowe material and stuff from Springsteen's Nebraska.

a) Naive Teen Idol: you make a great argument but jfc “facile”? you dont get to come at Cash backwards and presume to say that my misgivings as a lifelong fan are facile. it pisses me off

and b) if anyone else starts piling on to “remind” me about Cash i will kill every one of your firstborn children mark my words

...just to watch them die

*nods*

Ha. Well, apologies, VG, that wasn’t directed at you so much as the passage from Cantwell. Just the idea that anything about Cash in that era is “two-dimensional” rubs me the wrong way given how rich the music actually is.

I mean, I get it. The marketing, the NIN, etc. A lot (most?) people see his American Recordings work and nothing else of Cash. But I think that ultimately does a disservice to the music across those records in a lot of ways. That’s all I meant.

Btw, did you know that his birth name was not “Johnny,” but just a pair of initials, “J.R.”? *ducks*

oooh you’re gonna get it

I believe the ubiquitous Marty Stuart tells a story of taking that final portrait picture of him. Johnny was kind of slumped and falling asleep so Marty said “J.R!” whereby he immediately snapped to attention

Immediately after the photo session Marty accompanied Johnny to his dressing closet, where he received five Man In Black suits along with with five Western-style dress shirts and an equal number of bolo ties.

I believe he has also made arrangements to take custody of Trigger in case something happens to Willie.

Barbara Mandrell really <is> the female Marty Stuart.

http://s2.dmcdn.net/Mug2r/x240-Rnb.jpg

my interest started to flag when they were goin in to Hank Williams Jr. and Roseanne Cash careers but then they tied it all up nicely with Pancho and Lefty

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, October 2, 2019 3:11 PM

Kings Record Shop and Rhythm and Romance, one of which is a top ten all-timer for me, were the next steps in souped-up pop country, important forebears of Shania Twain and Garth. If those artists make you retch, remember that Cash's records have a confessional intimacy that's closer to Richard Thompson, beefed up by Waddy Wachtel and members of the Heartbreakers. And those singles sound great beside Randy Travis and Ricky Skaggs.

I feel like the Roseanne Cash story was underserved in several ways which I believe I might be able to articulate, just not into this little text box right now/FermatsLastTheorem

XP Now defend Hank II

I like quite a few of his early songs!

important forebears of Shania Twain and Garth. If those artists make you retch

you know me so well :)
but your caveats have made me curious so well done

so good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blbwPvex3VM

In the Holding Things Together podcast somebody recounts witnessed a heated discussion between Tyler Mahan Coe and Shooter Jennings about who was greater, Flash Gordon or TarzanHank or Hank Jr.

you know me so well :)

hence those caveats!

I said this upthread, but I'll reiterate that-chronology aside-the Rosanne and Hank II segments might have worked better in the last episode instead of Ep 7, which was so concerned with connecting dots at the end, excepting the dots provided by those segments.

An interesting thing they didn't cover is, first the way Hollywood took to Country in films like Nashville and Smokey and The Bandit (and Trucker movies in general), and then the rise of Music Video and TNN.

It's weird, because the bit about Dolly going to Hollywood would've been the perfect segue into Smokey and the Nashville. They did spend a lot of time (it couldn't have been more than five minutes, but it felt like half an hour) on Ricky Skaggs' "Country Boy" video, but made little mention of other artists' videos.

I was surprised Nashville didn’t get mentioned.

Also, the Hank Jr. stuff with his mother was heartbreaking. Enough to forgive, I don’t know. But still – him choking up at Cash and Waylon being there for him was pretty intense.

I watched this, as I watch a lot of things now, with the CC on. Among other things it is the first time I learned a lot of the words to “Jambalaya.”

So one more day to watch the first four episodes. In English at least. You have three more days on top of that to watch in Spanish.

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Red Sovine is why I don't believe incels because you know this guy fucked. pic.twitter.com/Rnlm35Cgyt

— Tyler Mahan Coe (@TylerMahanCoe) October 4, 2019

lol