naw, felt like i didn't know enough of the indie albums or the post-Sea Change records. were a lot of the respondents college dorm residents?
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:33 (four years ago) link
btw, a good precedent/reference point for this thread: shifts in popular opinion you have noticed
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:36 (four years ago) link
The results were ... interesting. If i had to hazard a guess i would say dorm room recollections colored a lot of ballots. Tracks from the first few records predominate
― Οὖτις, Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:43 (four years ago) link
also for an early 2000s reference point: what is the most unfashionable music to make right now?
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 July 2019 19:50 (four years ago) link
Wow, “intelligent dance music” and “conscious hip hop” wow boy byeee
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:02 (four years ago) link
There’s lots of wildly famous rappers that make “conscious hip-hop” just no one uses that term anymore
― Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link
i'm going to run that 00's poll i think
― imago, Sunday, 14 July 2019 20:53 (four years ago) link
old thread otm about ska, not so otm about metal and grunge
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:07 (four years ago) link
i saw Deerhoof live several times and...was not very plussed. I do understand that they're all very talented musicians— i have a minor in music comp from the same place some of them went to school— but if you were to ask me which band that was big in '05 i'd really like to see again or check in on, they wouldn't even make the top 20. i clicked around some singles and videos, and it was pleasant enough but not too exciting. similar results with Oneida and Liars. oh well.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:42 (four years ago) link
oh yeah, Liars completely tumbled this decade
― flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:44 (four years ago) link
Not only the new stuff but Drum's Not Dead and They Were Dead So... those records are still great imo but very much of an era, floor tom + rim hits + delay. Drum's Not Dead coming out less than six months after Feels was a bit much.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:47 (four years ago) link
re: deerhoof, been listening to them since ca. apple o, the magic (2016) is my fav lp by them
― hollow your fart (m bison), Sunday, 14 July 2019 21:55 (four years ago) link
here's one that i was thinking about this afternoon: whither Elliott Smith? I still listen to Heatmiser every once in a while, but never Smith solo. do saddo teens still love Smith like i did?
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:00 (four years ago) link
yeah but he's definitely less popular. I only became a fan in 2013 so I don't know what it was like in the decade after his death but I've found the ES fan community online to be pretty fallow now, and I don't know many people that still listen to him regularly. he's never been popular on ILM. it's a bummer, he was an amazing guitarist and songwriter.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:04 (four years ago) link
he was! i still get songs of his stuck in my head every once in a while. and he gave a pretty stunning performance on the last tour he gave— saw him only three months before he died. great show.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:09 (four years ago) link
i feel like acts who passed away, broke up, or just slowed to a crawl in the 00s (Smith... the Beastie Boys also come to mind) have to be evaluated differently than acts which were already "historical" then (Beach Boys etc.) and ones which were still very active or just breaking. all are germane to this thread, but talking abt "legacy" means different things - e.g. trying to figure out if The Kids still even discover this act, or care when they do, versus evaluating whether their 90s boosters lost enthusiasm with later albums, etc. i'm maybe most interested in cases like The-Dream, who as noted upthread seemed like the center of the pop/r&b creative universe ten years ago, and who i never hear about off-ilx anymore.
― Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:22 (four years ago) link
I agree, I was just thinking about how Smith's work was ubiquitous for several years after his passing, but its presence has slowly faded, and while some of that is certainly due to the simple passing of time, i am interested in other reasons why that might be.
generally speaking tho, yeah, i am more interested in cases like the-Dream.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:30 (four years ago) link
the-dream is still doin stuff!
― hollow your fart (m bison), Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:35 (four years ago) link
do saddo teens still love Smith like i did?
FWIW, Phoebe Bridgers (who's 24) has cited Smith as an influence
― jaymc, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:41 (four years ago) link
I like to think that those 5 Classic Albums collections have had an impact on some legacies. I jumped on several of those for bands I otherwise would have taken much longer to listen to. I love them.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 July 2019 22:42 (four years ago) link
there are bands that have gotten that treatment that i've never consciously heard!
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, 14 July 2019 23:06 (four years ago) link
Quite a few of the ones I got were by bands who I'd heard little or nothing of. Bands that have an undying following but never get that much coverage these days.Sadly it doesn't seem like they're bringing out much more of them. I don't recall seeing many that haven't been around at least 4 years.
I think Changing Horses probably wouldn't have been reissued recently if that Incredible String Band 5 Classic Albums hadn't come out.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 14 July 2019 23:32 (four years ago) link
Cleo Tucker from Girlpool has this gorgeous song that is indebted to ES at some level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHYN64L2Ro
I hear it in Phoebe Bridgers' "Scott Street," even an allusion to "St Ide's Heaven."
― flappy bird, Monday, 15 July 2019 00:03 (four years ago) link
Actually there is quite a bunch of those cheapie classic collections in the last few years... Nancy Wilson, Conway Twitty, Slim Whitman, Dinah Shore, Billy Fury, Milt Jackson, Hank Crawford, Bill Haley, Judy Garland, Chet Atkins, Nena, Al Bano+Romina Power, Harold Land, Billie Holliday, Katja Ebstein, Lyambiko, Kitty Wells, Mahalia Jackson, Nat King Cole, Thelma Houston, Bobby McFerrin, Gene Vincent, Girlschool, Jackie McLean, Dakota Staton, Sonny Rollins, Elmer Bernstein, Bo Diddley, Chick Corea, Charlie Parker, Candlemass, Therion, Behemoth, Sinister, Sinner, Gorefest, Wendy Waldman, Jean-Michel Jarre, Petra Zeiger, Jennifer Rush, Doris Day, Guano Apes, Chet Baker, Sweet, Art Blakey, Fats Domino, Nina Simone, Max Roach, New Riders Of The Purple Sage, Hugh Masekela, Matthias Reim, Peter Maffay, Hank Williams, Ruth Brown, Etta James, Lavern Baker, Horace Silver...
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 July 2019 00:21 (four years ago) link
mobb deep up, I think? not down at least. doesn't seem like, say, big pun, capone n noreaga, or even nas register much anymore but "shook ones" lives on. maybe prodigy's death had something to do with it?
fwiw my impression could be off since I haven't really followed hip hop for like 10+ years. this is mostly informed by some convos I've had over the years.
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 15 July 2019 00:38 (four years ago) link
feel like I've been waiting for trap beats to become as uncool as jungle breaks in 2000 or w/e for way longer than I expected but it never seems to happen
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 15 July 2019 00:41 (four years ago) link
^yeah I was expecting them to be played out this year, but no sign of that yet.
― stan by me (morrisp), Monday, 15 July 2019 00:50 (four years ago) link
Seems like Stereolab are enjoying a resurgence with the recent expanded editions coming out and touring this year.
― o. nate, Monday, 15 July 2019 00:51 (four years ago) link
also psychedelics and communism are pretty "cool" again, not that they ever went away for some of us ;-)
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:21 (four years ago) link
is dub cool at the moment? seems to come round in cycles
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:25 (four years ago) link
Dub is always cool
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:28 (four years ago) link
yep but psychedelic rock seems to have lower standing rn than any time since the 90s
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:30 (four years ago) link
probably just the general decline of rock as a form I suppose
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
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― flappy bird, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:31 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/9ASBS9Q.gif
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:34 (four years ago) link
^👍😂
― stan by me (morrisp), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
Otm
― Οὖτις, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
― (⊙_⊙?) (original bgm)
people will start liking quicksilver messenger service more when jann wenner finally dies
― Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Monday, 15 July 2019 01:38 (four years ago) link
quicksilver are so fucking cool... lotta Japanese bands from the 90s dug em from what I can tell
― brimstead, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:52 (four years ago) link
Dub sounds great in like a nice medium sized venue’s PA in between sets
― brimstead, Monday, 15 July 2019 01:53 (four years ago) link
― flappy bird,
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Monday, 15 July 2019 03:32 (four years ago) link
yep but psychedelic rock seems to have lower standing rn than any time since the 90sprobably just the general decline of rock as a form I suppose
Actually if you look at it in those terms I’d say the Great Culling’s actually been a bit kinder to psych (or at least psych-tinged) rock than rock music as a wholeKinda like dub I think that might be in part bc it’s a modifier that plays nice with other genres, and demands that its less niche practitioners display at least a little bit of proficiency at doing so
― You can’t see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Monday, 15 July 2019 05:44 (four years ago) link
Crap music does tend to get weeded out as time moves forward
― brimstead, Monday, 15 July 2019 05:53 (four years ago) link
explain Pearl Jam then
― quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 15 July 2019 05:57 (four years ago) link
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, July 14, 2019 10:32 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― budo jeru, Monday, 15 July 2019 06:19 (four years ago) link
― brimstead
i thought it was just michio kurihara and he was in a ton of bands, could be wrong though! anyway point is michio kurihara rules
there's one of those semi-official "wolfgang's vault" videos with cipollina sitting in with link wray on "mystery train" from '74, it also rules
unfortunately wenner doesn't help things whenever rolling stone makes another list of "500 greatest records of all time" and he makes sure "happy trails" is at, like, #6, because he was THERE man and everybody else is like, really? you've got kendrick lamar at #146
― Un Poco Loco Moco (rushomancy), Monday, 15 July 2019 06:57 (four years ago) link
Dub is always cool― Οὖτις, Sunday, July 14, 2019 9:28 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink― flappy bird,― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, July 14, 2019 10:32 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink― budo jeru, Monday, July 15, 2019 7:19 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
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Yeah but it comes and goes a bit doesn't it? Ebbs and flows. Sometimes you've got a big reinvention of the sound, as with Basic Channel in the 90s and dubstep in the mid-2000s. Other times there's less enthusiasm and it gets associated with bad hippy soundsystems. For a while dancehall seemed to be taking up a little dub-sized space, and even dancehall instrumentals became voguish. The dub cycle is about 5-6 years long in my reckoning.
― frame casual (dog latin), Monday, 15 July 2019 10:26 (four years ago) link
Just had a flashback to so-called 'acid jazz'.
― pomenitul, Monday, 15 July 2019 10:36 (four years ago) link
#flashbackfriday Paul & Eddie Piller at the Acid Jazz 10th Anniversary celebration in 1997! #paulweller #mod #acidjazz #acidjazzrecords #soul pic.twitter.com/rEmNm6lYcZ— 𝗣𝗮𝘂𝗹 𝗪𝗲𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗿 𝗡𝗲𝘄𝘀 (@PaulWellerNews) October 26, 2018
it's that numpt who makes them compilations with martin freeman with the wellender!
― calzino, Monday, 15 July 2019 11:00 (four years ago) link
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― paolo, Monday, 15 July 2019 11:08 (four years ago) link