Purple Mountains (RIP David Berman, August 2019)

Yeah, not sure if they meant the Drag City newsletter or what. Also, surprised there's a place to live above their offices -- mostly artist-studio-type spaces without showers and so on.

it's neither, it's the old disc.server board:

http://disc.yourwebapps.com/Indices/18043.html

He toggles from the virtues of silence as the most powerful artistic statement, as laid out by Susan Sontag in her 1967 essay “The Aesthetics of Silence” (which he insisted I read before our first meeting), to the virtues of getting banned from websites for trolling (which he admits happened to him)

Odds on Berman posting on here at some point?

I don’t get the feeling he necessarily “loves music.”

hasnt stopped any of us before tbf

lol

The wapo interview's pretty good. Answers a few questions I had and confirms a few suspicions about the Chicago loft and the separation.

The option of anonymous posting on the disc.server board was one of the greatest things about it in its heyday. Guaranteed daily chaos. That's the board where, late one Friday night around the time of Bright Flight, someone posted David's home phone number. I called it, thinking I could just say I was only trying to alert him to its presence if he was irritated about it, but sure enough he picked up and gave no indication of irritation whatsoever but was in fact totally cheery about it and chatted with me, the lowly internet fanboy, for a good ten minutes, wouldn't let me go even, despite the fact there were all kinds of voices and noises in the background on his end from a party at his house that sounded like it was still going strong.

“He liked it when I called Jack White ‘Sir Edgar Scissor Blues.’ ”

lol

Is this legit?: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/purple-mountains-lodge-room-highland-park-tickets-61917164907

The wapo interview's pretty good. Answers a few questions I had and confirms a few suspicions about the Chicago loft and the separation.

The first thing I thought on watching the "All My Happiness Is Gone", was 'oh no, he and Carrie have separated'

Cassie not Carrie

morrisp -- there are a bunch of tourdates announced upthread.

new album is ... pretty great? still absorbing, but a bunch of really good songs / lines.

Cassie not Carrie

Yes! Sorry Cassie.

xp Thanks, I missed or glossed over that

Interesting how this isn’t sold out in a small Chicago club, whereas Silver Jews would certainly sell out the Metro or Vic pretty quickly.

don't underestimate brand recognition. I doubt Robert Pollard sells anywhere close to the number of records Guided by Voices does. The mid-or-late-career moniker change is a tough thing to navigate (though Sun Kil Moon, Bonnie Prince Billy, and Magnolia Electric Company--to name three off the top of my head--made it work, I guess)

I bet labels hate when established bands / artists / solo acts change their name

Yup. I bet 80+% of people who'd pounce on a Silver Jews ticket don't have any idea that Berman is back under this name.

We ended up buying tix for that L.A. show (final show of the tour?); I bet it would have sold out already under the Joos name / "back in the day."

intentional sabotage?

Listening to the promo right now, as it happens.

That's the board where, late one Friday night around the time of Bright Flight, someone posted David's home phone number. I called it, thinking I could just say I was only trying to alert him to its presence if he was irritated about it, but sure enough he picked up and gave no indication of irritation whatsoever but was in fact totally cheery about it and chatted with me, the lowly internet fanboy, for a good ten minutes, wouldn't let me go even, despite the fact there were all kinds of voices and noises in the background on his end from a party at his house that sounded like it was still going strong.

I mean this era was, according to the article, his “crack” phase

Well sure, that is true, but it was also soon after 9/11, which was everyone everywhere's crack and/or some crack variant phase. Besides, I also got to chat with him after the Asheville show in 2006, with all crack and/or crack variants out of his system, and he was still equally cheery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZKMa-ByLBQ

ok that little thing at the end made me laugh hard

still these videos might be getting a little too real for me

i laughed when he was sweeping something into a dustpan and then looked up at the camera to deliver the back-up vocal

Lol at the Steve McNair action figure.

Kind of a slacker “Ruby (Don’t Take Your Love to Town.”

I didn’t think I would enjoy that but it was great! Stone cold deadpan

not to be all gossip-y but aren't they separated?

The ending is funny, but yeah, not sure how to "take" this particular kind of thing.

I'm struggling to like these two new tracks.

not to be all gossip-y but aren't they separated?

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 19:57

Yes this was one of the revelations from the WaPo interview that saddened me. Maybe not so clear cut

Vish tackles DCB:

http://kreativekontrol.eone.libsynpro.com/ep-481-david-berman

Thanks Al

Refreshing honesty and openness from David there. Nice to hear an interview free from bullshit

Yeah its great hearing about his process & approach here

The “hundred nights” comment was pretty harrowing

loved the bits about songs as architectural instantiation
and disturbing (?) lack-of-anxiety about musicians coming up behind him

There were a few moments in that interview that straight choked me up. His candor was really touching.

I like Vish, but sometimes I find him to be a bit of a cringey interviewer. This one worked just right.

Al, thanks much for posting that. Hard to describe the feeling of hearing his voice crack and bend under the emotional weight of what he's talking about, hearing him re-realize and re-resist his own storyline fever as he speaks, I guess. Amazing.

This was a particularly interesting revelation to me:

"I think that Silver Jews was a very burdensome band name. It confused people, or I never made it clear what I meant by it. I think it was wasn't really until the end that I realized what the proper definition of a Silver Jew would be outside of the context of my music, which would be a Jew that's not a Jew, really. It's the outsiders to the outsiders. It really sucks when you're Jewish from patrilineal descent because you get the last name but none of the benefits of being Jewish. So, you get the marker, but as you know, in Judaism, your mother has to be Jewish. And my mother converted before I was born, but it never really took. So, there aren't different kinds of Jews - I mean, there are, there's Sephardic and Ashkenazi - but Judaism's Judaism and there aren't secondary Jews. There aren't partial Jews. So, a Silver Jew isn't a Jew at all, really. But it conveys belatedness in and of my interest in Judaism, which came very late in life. But in the end I felt alienated for precisely those reasons, from fully dissolving myself from Judaism."

This is America goddamnit, and I think people should be free to be secondary Jews if they want to, but what the hell do I know.

"commerce is a purgatory"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BamaU09AdGA

^ song of the year, IMO

name change totally threw me off - got pretty excited when i realised there's a new Silver Jews lp out in 2 days! I bet a ton of people are the same and don't realise this is a thing...

It's good! His band (Woods) sounds strong, and he hasn't lost the lyrical magic, imo.

another long, detailed profile, this time in the ringer: https://www.theringer.com/music/2019/7/10/20686306/david-berman-silver-jews-purple-mountains-drag-city

A few weeks ago I noticed the nine photos on the album cover correspond with the themes of the first nine songs on the album, in sequential order. Track ten, about self-acceptance, can be symbolized by all previous tracks/images together. That kind of thoughtful, subtle attention to detail keeps unfolding with every listen.

Perpetua ticked off about him poo-pooing Pearl Jam over on Twitter

who's Pearl Jam?

oh and re: the chorus of Margaritas at the Mall, I guess the lyrics are actually "magenta, orange, and acid green, peacock blue and burgundy," but I actually prefer my initial interpretation of berberine. After all, there's already red representation with magenta, so it just makes sense to get some yellow in there for a more robust sampling of the frozen beverage spectrum.

Happy should be 57th birthday. Still miss you.

The bareness and honesty in that Purple Mountains record is extraordinary. There's nothing quite like it. I loved his art.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvogt_5lhkM

incredible

So great

Good candidate for Artist-specific music jokes

Someone apparently asked Gate Pratt about this and he said he had never seen the show when he wrote the original that was sent to Berman. (Berman finished writing it and later arranged it with Woods.) It is amusing how they have a similar vibe though.

Huh, weird that Gate Pratt doesn't get a writing credit on that one. (He does get one on "Maybe I'm the Only One...") Not that I don't believe him, and this was pretty clearly a coincidence in any case.

Silver Jews featuring Will Oldham tonight in Nashville https://t.co/PCAI8MJvNn pic.twitter.com/PPxo3pjA8o

— 𝕯𝖎Ⓐ𝖑𝖚𝖕 𝕲𝖍𝖔𝖘𝖙 (@DialupGhost) August 11, 2024

Cassie Berman doing All My Happiness Is Gone

I saw Will and David playing a drone/improv set a couple months before his passing. It was glorious.

Given how much I love Purple Mountains, I'm bemused that I'm only just (knowingly) hearing Woods for the first time.

For me is the first Silver Jews album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOmUTZpWrOg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoSiTul5Jx0

https://i.imgur.com/h4Sdqxm.jpeg

This thread's harder to read than any of the election threads.

Oh boy, I tried looking up Woods and mistakenly found The Woods which is a slick country thing and I was really confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu9yl6L1mts

I almost made it to the end of the video when I thought "no, this can't be right..."

Coincidentally i was listening to Woods for the first time in like a decade on my run today. 'Don't pass on me' from at rear house really a pretty way to start the day. They really worked some magic on this record (though I still beg for the alt timeline destroyerxberman that could have been)