(Please be assured that all I meant was “Katherine has used ilx so it seems weird to call her out as part of some faceless organization”)
― You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 02:42 (five years ago) link
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― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 02:43 (five years ago) link
(Perhaps not the best venue or topic for any form of sarcasm, so my apologies)
― You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 02:43 (five years ago) link
Nicki Says She’s Dropping Out of BET Concert After Being Shaded in Cardi Grammys Tweet
When did Pfork start using only first names in headlines, a la US Weekly?
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
Conde Nast house style, I bet.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 15:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah, that really struck me too
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
Transformation to celebrity gossip supermarket checkout line tabloid almost complete
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:19 (five years ago) link
You don't save a lot of space leaving the "B" off of a name
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
Just realized I dreamed about Nicki and Cardi last night, no joke. (plus, Max Martin & Ilya... these were the last things I was reading/thinking of before going to sleep.)
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:28 (five years ago) link
Do any of those dream-symbology webpages have a section on the hidden significance of topline writers
― You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
Anyway, you guys critiquing the “celebrity culture / supermarket tabloid” angle may want to turn your attn to the actual news item re: Nicki & BET — as that’s a case of a media org getting seriously burned by leaning too far into that space (one tweet apparently did them a lot of damage).
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
kind of an immensely dumb tweet that looks like an overzealous intern wrote it and which they pulled immediately but celebrity is a petty petty landscape so
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link
every dumb pulled tweet needs a two day cycle of thinkpieces now
I feel like such an old man
― mh, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:43 (five years ago) link
If you don’t think the impact of Nicki pulling herself and Lil Wayne out of BETX, as a result of being dragged in a BET News tweet, are interesting / worth talking about, then... well, I guess you’re not really interested in music showbiz!
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:54 (five years ago) link
― Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:19 AM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
are you a triggercut sock or is triggercut a sock of you
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 16:59 (five years ago) link
In which a Pitchfork writer pretends to be surprised at enjoying an awards show that feeds off the social media response fueled image-first, music-second celebrity culture that they’ve been bought into for years now.
― triggercut, Monday, February 11, 2019 6:26 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
for what it's worth I actually was surprised, and I'm sorry if I wrote anything wrong, I have been operating on one hour of sleep
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:09 (five years ago) link
I could pretend to not be surprised, if that would make you feel better
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:13 (five years ago) link
like, this is a show that has historically been fairly bad, where the overwhelming critical/audience/viewership consensus has been that they have been bad and have steadily grown worse, where the lead-up to the ceremony itself was full of negative news stories and distracting feuds, where many anticipated performers either pulled out or refused to attend, and also where I stayed up until 5 a.m. to write about it (hence the one hour of sleep) on a Sunday night when I had work (late to) and a real analysis quiz (probably flunked) the following Monday. it would be very surprising if I expected to enjoy it.
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:21 (five years ago) link
I read the piece and thought it was really good
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:22 (five years ago) link
idk if you need to justify yourself to someone who read the headline and nothing further
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
katherine, I enjoyed your piece, which was witty about a not necessarily wit-sparking topic.
Brad and fgti otm and morrisp otm too. This thread is pitiable.
― rob, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:42 (five years ago) link
I think some posters expect individual writers to adhere to some Voice of Pitchfork continuity like they're writing for a comic book or something
― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:53 (five years ago) link
wow yes
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
personally I don't expect perfect coherency btwn writers or whatever but the lyrics thing does bug me
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:02 (five years ago) link
I liked that Katherine's article took a concept that I (and I'm guessing, several other music obsessives) never quite knew how to elucidate - how the current-generation consensus is slowly replacing the current version of past-generation consensus - and made it understandable.
― Prefecture, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link
I have thoughts about the "the lyrics are bad, here's why" method of a takedown review, but I can't really summarize them in a way that I find is effective. But here goes. It's almost as if it's a proxy for larger acknowledgments of changing tastes, aging, exhaustion, lack of interest in 2nd- and 3rd-stages of musician's career arcs. It's a maguffin, pinning a holistic dislike of A Band That We May Have Once Liked Or At Least Tolerated on "lyrical missteps". It kind of puts the critic in a position of being "not an asshole, just being objective"-- a contrast from say Jeremy Larson's takedown of Greta Von Fleet, where he was unabashedly and entertainingly being a massive dick. I find the "the lyrics are bad, here's why" approach to a takedown to leave me feeling a little lied to, myself-- "you liked HEALTH at one point and there's no difference between this and their early stuff except we're all older and the world has changed". But it's an understandable direction to take, preferable for the critic's own clean conscience to throw a band under a bus based on "objective complaints about the lyrics" than a piece about how "athletic music made by men about ennui is only a sustainable band-model until age 25. Grow up, HEALTH; we did."
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 20:14 (five years ago) link
oooh good take. that makes sense. personally I'd much prefer an honest "this sounded cool to us/me once but it's a rote old shtick now" to "this industrial act needs to step its lyric game up"
― bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 20:20 (five years ago) link
(also belatedly I apologize for whatever I did to make myself persona non grata enough to be added to a text filter, but)
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:06 (five years ago) link
Maybe it wasn’t your fault and “champiness” was being a dick
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:15 (five years ago) link
It kind of puts the critic in a position of being "not an asshole, just being objective"
I always have this feeling when reading lyrical takedowns, too.
― Indexed, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:16 (five years ago) link
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:15 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
apparently it's automatic, which suggests that it wasn't what they were doing
apologies also for being vague, I don't know what exactly it was, but whatever it was is something I am genuinely sorry for
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:19 (five years ago) link
Sorry to indirectly have made Katherine feel bad through my post - I can attest that I typed her name normally, was surprised by the filter, and taken aback by how it altered the tone of what was meant to be a very innocuous remark, hence my multiple follow-up posts attempting to mitigate that.
― You can't see it but I had an epiphany (Champiness), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:34 (five years ago) link
kat: that's just googleproofing; nobody did it out of spite. was it something you requested done at some point? otherwise not sure why it's there and i'm sure a mod will remove if you'd like.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:45 (five years ago) link
I just only see it applied to people that people hate
― theorizing your yells (katherine), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:48 (five years ago) link
Doesn’t it happen to john darnielle?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
everyone loves l0u1s jagg3r
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:50 (five years ago) link
Lol guess not. Mod can you remove that?
and nitsuh abebe
Mod
And the washington redskins
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:51 (five years ago) link
mod
I just assumed all the ilxors with hollywood stars got googleproofed
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:52 (five years ago) link
mod, also ban Treeship
― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:53 (five years ago) link
DUMPLINGS!
― jaymc, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:54 (five years ago) link
kat: it's generally done on request or if there's an issue with someone being harrassed; it's also rarely done as comedy modding though i really doubt that's the case for you.is it something you'd like removed? Maybe just ask here:Mod request
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:57 (five years ago) link
Can someone googleproof whiney from seeing my posts?
― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 21:59 (five years ago) link
whaaaat no! you're good, katherine. don't think that
if I had to guess that substitution got locked in after a period last year when you were worried about people linking your identity across several vocations/sites
― mh, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 22:03 (five years ago) link
― maura, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 22:14 (five years ago) link
I remember emailing pitchfork editorial years ago after a site redesign asking them to make it easier to see all reviews by a given writer because I had a handful I liked and wanted to see what releases they were into!
I get how publications develop a voice over time but the idea that every review and article is some sort of house product kind of takes the interesting bit out of reading.
― mh, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 22:19 (five years ago) link
lol @ whiney
― yuh yuh (morrisp), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 22:20 (five years ago) link