the euro avant garde not just in music but in many forms of art has an ongoing relationship w africa via primitivism & going back to african art influence on picasso etc. ...
i didnt say "all european art music sounds like house techno hip hop or R&B" lol
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:31 (five years ago) link
at any rate making this into a global question is mordy's way of muddying the waters imo ... im not claiming to have knowledge on the level of relation between every global genre of music + african roots, and didn't claim that I thought this argument was the capital T Truth, I just said its a dominant argument & there's lots of evidence (undeniably) of the centrality of black music to the evolving sound of contemporary music ... i think you'd have to be a fool though to imply traditional irish music or eastern european music has more of a global footprint than hip hop, techno, R&B, or house
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
Well, I was responding to
If you listen to contemporary Eastern European or middle eastern or especially European avant- garden music are you claiming you’re not liable to hear the influence, forms, styles built on house or techno or hip hop or R&b?
but the broader claim you're making now definitely makes more sense (although in the same sense that all musics reflect cross-cultural interaction and influence).
xp
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:34 (five years ago) link
i feel like when ppl start to say "all musics reflect cross cultural interaction and influence" and bring up timbaland sampling an egyptian record or something it implies an equality of influence that isn't really reflected by the record ... like if you listen to popular songs in eastern europe & they basically sound like house music filtered through a local sensibility its hard to say 'oh just the usual cross cultural exchange' like this is a house record
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:36 (five years ago) link
Good lord it's just fucking MUSICSo glad we left the High Fidelity mindset in the 00s!
― flappy bird, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:44 (five years ago) link
Couldn't someone else argue by the same token that anything built on functional chord progressions and the major/minor key system has European roots? I'm really uncomfortable with trying to identify a single cultural source as being globally central.
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:51 (five years ago) link
This is a fool’s errand
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:52 (five years ago) link
Couldn't someone else argue by the same token that anything built on functional chord progressions and the major/minor key system has European roots?
surely yes, and that's a correct argument to make
― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:54 (five years ago) link
― Locked in silent monologue, in silent scream (Sund4r), Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:51 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if you're going back that far you can argue 'all people come from africa.' i'm talking about art forms that were created in the last couple decades....
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:14 (five years ago) link
Wait what artforms were created in the last couple decades
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:21 (five years ago) link
Glitchy GIF Tumblr art
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:22 (five years ago) link
Those “ironic” tin signs with a 1950s style drawing of a smiling woman, and a slogan like, “No one cares about your diet... just eat your salad and be sad.”
(I genuinely love those, btw)
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:21 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
house, hip hop, techno?
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link
last 'few' decades sorry
“Move over, coffee... this is a job for alcohol!”
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:25 (five years ago) link
Are there food critics out there writing about Burger King and sour patch kids etc these days?
― Evan, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:29 (five years ago) link
“Few” = 50 years?
Yeah ok lol
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:33 (five years ago) link
I dont think any of those genres are particularly “dynamic” at this point but thats just me
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:34 (five years ago) link
They are def rooted in black community tho, sure
You don't think 19-year-old idiots mumbling about depression on Soundcloud are the future of music? Racist.
― grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:36 (five years ago) link
The Definitely Not Racist has logged on
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:41 (five years ago) link
Anyway here’s a timely investigation
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/20/arts/music/new-pop-music.html
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:42 (five years ago) link
Few” = 50 years?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 20, 2018 1:33 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
We’re comparing it to the scale of Europe inventing the widely adopted notion of tonality so yes this is still relatively recent
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:43 (five years ago) link
Also techno was not invented 50 years ago, lol
yeah talking out of the side of my neck a bit on that one (what's the first "techno" record? Kraftwerk? idk lol) whereas house and hip hop both have conventionally agreed-upon start dates which are closer to the 40 year mark, my bad
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:46 (five years ago) link
Anyway here’s a timely investigation https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/12/20/arts/music/new-pop-music.html🕸
― breastcrawl, Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:47 (five years ago) link
https://variety.com/2020/music/reviews/selena-gomez-rare-album-review-1203463571/
“Rare” is one of the best pop albums to be released in recent memory, and — as it does for artists ranging from Robyn and Charli XCX to Max Martin’s more adventurous productions — it feels like that term does a discredit to this sophisticated, precisely written and expertly produced music.
― Don’t yell ‘Judas!’ in a crowded theater (morrisp), Saturday, 11 January 2020 04:52 (four years ago) link
lol
― dyl, Saturday, 11 January 2020 06:20 (four years ago) link
Perhaps they should call it something like Sophistipop
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 11 January 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link
In the new movie Trolls World Tour, it is revealed that Trolls representing all different genres (and sub-genres) of music used to live in harmony, but are now separated. Queen Barb of the Hard Rock Trolls (Ozzy plays their senile king) sets out to conquer all the other lands, making Hard Rock the only music. Our heroes, the Pop Trolls, have to save the day and unite all the genres again. Barb hates Pop, says it’s “not real music, too repetitive, the lyrics stink,” etc. I won’t tell you how it ends!
― morrisp, Saturday, 11 April 2020 18:50 (four years ago) link
Stereogum had a whole piece about this on Friday.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 11 April 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
I won’t tell you how it ends!
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
xp Terribly written piece, desperately straining for a “critique” and misrepresenting basic plot points to do it.
― morrisp, Saturday, 11 April 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
Until utopia is achieved and everyone makes an effort to enjoy that obscure and much-maligned art we call pop music while its devotees do absolutely nothing to meaningfully engage with other subgenres even as they clamour for more inclusivity, the need for endearingly didactic allegories will continue unabated.
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul), Saturday, 11 April 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
Part of the story is that Pop snuffed out musical diversity in the past, but you’d have to watch the movie to know that.
― morrisp, Saturday, 11 April 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
Care to tell us more? (Not trolling, for real.)
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul), Saturday, 11 April 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link
Never mind, I just read the plot synopsis on Wikipedia.
― coviderunt omnes (pomenitul), Saturday, 11 April 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link
― morrisp
truly, Trolls World Tour demands more thoughtful and incisive social commentary than this piece delivers
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:51 (four years ago) link
It doesn’t, but if someone’s going for that they should do it better.
― morrisp, Saturday, 11 April 2020 21:52 (four years ago) link
Caramanica did a piece on this for NYT, of course
Now that there's an entire Trolls movie about rockism and poptimism maybe we can finally be done ever using those words or concepts again
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 16 April 2020 18:55 (four years ago) link
+1 to that
― morrisp, Thursday, 16 April 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
people are writing about poptimism and rockism, in this economy??????
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 April 2020 19:00 (four years ago) link
Aimee Mann:
By 1990, everything on the radio was starting to be Whitney Houston, Taylor Dayne, Tina Turner—it was very pop. Then Michael Penn comes out with this Beatles-esque, melodic song, but still with a little bit of a big snare drum sound. I was like, “Finally, somebody broke through with an actual song.”
― yes m!ch!gan - the feeling's forever (morrisp), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:23 (three years ago) link
A poptimist would have married Taylor Dayne.
― actually-very-convincing (Sund4r), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 02:34 (three years ago) link
The 1975’s Brits nomination proves great pop isn’t always drowned out by mindless gym music
― Alba, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 12:48 (one year ago) link
lol amazing
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 12:56 (one year ago) link
While making the album, The 1975 sought to capture the pure essence of their band – to simply “play it and record it,” as Healy told the New York Times last year. “Any kid can make a bedroom thing that sounds crazy,” he said. “What you can’t do is have been in a band for 20 years and be great players and go into a room and have that freedom.” The resulting album makes you feel as if you were in the room with the band as they recorded it.
Wow irl Aging rock act on new album: This time we wanted to go back to the basics guys in a room
― Auf Der Martini (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:03 (one year ago) link
If you're not listening to the 1975, you're probably at the gym
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:11 (one year ago) link
Have they really been together for 20 years?
― Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:16 (one year ago) link
Sounds like rockism is her weapon of choice for generation warfare. At the same time wishing for music that unites everyone by soundtracking our lives like Elton John.
― Nabozo, Wednesday, 8 February 2023 13:17 (one year ago) link