As I said on the other thread, maybe do some research on Living Marxism/Spiked/Revolutionary Communist Party and this current turn of events will come as no great surprise.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:15 (six years ago) link
Rosie Cuckston is one of 'them' too - they are almost a cult.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:16 (six years ago) link
do some research on Living Marxism/Spiked/Revolutionary Communist Party and this current turn of events will come as no great surprise.
Or just read some Stereolab lyrics.
― everything, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:20 (six years ago) link
Looks like not many of their fans have.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
Am I the only one who doesn't know who this Peterson dude is?
― i’m still stanning (morrisp), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:22 (six years ago) link
tom, i dont care.
― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:23 (six years ago) link
assumptions are not really a great standing ground
That's OK, lots of Morrissey fans feel the same way about Mozza.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
― flappy bird, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:24 (six years ago) link
She's tweeted anti-feminist spiked articles before, she's been going that way for a while
― Colonel Poo, Thursday, 2 August 2018 20:28 (six years ago) link
always interesting when successful women decide to become anti-feminist once they've gotten successful.
― akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:14 (six years ago) link
Can't leave ladders lying about, dangerous.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:18 (six years ago) link
interesting or disappointing depending on your perspective i guess
― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:19 (six years ago) link
yes I meant disappointing obv
there are pockets of this sort of thing in my musical circles and it's always mysterious to me. I'm fb friends with the fellow who is Fuxa and he's a liberatrian as well. He keeps his politics offline though thankfully though one of his friend started threatening me out of the blue one day for being a libtard.
― akm, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:23 (six years ago) link
don't really gaf about this. it is funny to read all these dudes declare she is not a feminist now as if that matters at all.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:31 (six years ago) link
kinda want to make a Stereolab-style song w lyrics from this thread
interesting or disappointingcan't leave ladders lying aboutdangerousdepending on your perspectiveassumptions are not a great standing groundassumptions are not a great standing ground
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 2 August 2018 21:38 (six years ago) link
lol good one
― eris (Ross), Thursday, 2 August 2018 22:22 (six years ago) link
What's the gist of Peterson? Trying to work out in my head what on earth Sadier would see in him.
― djh, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:17 (six years ago) link
he blows minds by defending hegemony
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:24 (six years ago) link
in the voice of kermit the frog
― Rogan Twort's highly portable product (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:28 (six years ago) link
important point
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:30 (six years ago) link
a muppet in more ways than one
― Rogan Twort's highly portable product (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:30 (six years ago) link
he believes that all is for the best in the best of all possible worlds as long as we leave mediocre white academics in charge of it
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:31 (six years ago) link
Stereolab + JP both profitably recycling old German ideas
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:32 (six years ago) link
ILE thread if you want - The Jordan Peterson Thread
― Jeff W, Friday, 3 August 2018 11:33 (six years ago) link
white male academics, because women are the root of all evil, because folklore iirc
also the movie frozen is draining our children of their precious essences or some shit
― Rogan Twort's highly portable product (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:33 (six years ago) link
god yes men, lot of stuff about men.
connection to Spiked stuff via "concern for women and blacks is ruining our communism"
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Friday, 3 August 2018 11:35 (six years ago) link
He annoys liberals, that's usually good enough for Laetitia's mates at Spiked.
― Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 3 August 2018 12:12 (six years ago) link
laetitia sadler
― Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Friday, 3 August 2018 13:51 (six years ago) link
Ward FowlerPosted: 3 August 2018 at 07:32:45Stereolab + JP both profitably recycling old German ideasappreciate this
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 3 August 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
beyond whatever sadier said it would be nice for people to admit the one human consistency is hypocrisy..i mean, nobody is perfect.
― Ross, Friday, 3 August 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
Well, at least we can assume that they keep their Space Age Bachelor Pad clean bucko
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:18 (six years ago) link
"also the movie frozen is draining our children of their precious essences or some shit"
he's right about that
― akm, Friday, 3 August 2018 16:39 (six years ago) link
let it go, akm
― mh, Friday, 3 August 2018 17:56 (six years ago) link
This might be my most frequently revived thread. (I was posting here way back in 2003?) Amusing that it has now led me to read waaaaaay too much about someone who says "social justice warrior" with a straight face.
― Nag! Nag! Nag!, Sunday, 5 August 2018 00:38 (six years ago) link
Only listening to the demo version of blur’s To The End from now on, she’s not on that one.
― piscesx, Sunday, 5 August 2018 01:39 (six years ago) link
the influence of VU on stereolab folk continues (moe tucker's right turn)
― velko, Sunday, 5 August 2018 02:40 (six years ago) link
ha yeah that's what came to mind for me too. seems like sadier is more of a crank with jumbled political views whereas moe tucker is someone at trump rally wearing a 'lock her up' t-shirt.
― iatee, Sunday, 5 August 2018 14:40 (six years ago) link
I’m reading the wiki article on Jordan and he doesn’t seem that controversial and detached from Sadier’s views?
The way I interpreted his controversial views is that all these political correctedness is meant to divide not to unite and to have people fighting against their “oppresors” which is people in your own community instead of looking up at the real enemy.
Also his counterargument againsr bill c-16 is about the dangers of making political correctedness have legal repercusions. Rather than spreading hate he seems to be concerned about how this supposed unity is actually spreading hate by pilling up people who don’t share my beliefs as enemies. The reaction to his opposition to the bill kind of proves his point?
I know it’s all iffy but I can see Sadier taking his beliefs as the people fighting the people instead on focusing on the real enemy above them.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 5 August 2018 15:30 (six years ago) link
I realize the rabbit hole you're looking at seems inviting but no.
― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 5 August 2018 15:34 (six years ago) link
I mean I don’t really agree with his points but I’m trying to have a pipe dream and see what Sadier sees in his work.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 5 August 2018 16:04 (six years ago) link
you could start w what article she is talking about in that tweet. has anyone looked into that? cos she was writing about his treatment in a magazine article, rather than specifically supporting any of his ideas. what are the circumstances of this particular interview? she didn't write anything in that tweet about any of his theories or talking points, so really without nailing it down, everyone is free to let their imaginations go wild and pretend LS supports the most hateful thing he has ever said.
i dunno maybe she has written other tweets in support of his actual ideas and not just a single media appearance. i haven't seen any of them. you'd think they'd be all over ILX give the frequency of that tweet being reposted. but no, we don't need context, it's enough to feel that she has done a wrong.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 5 August 2018 16:29 (six years ago) link
did you miss the multiple mentions upthread of her history of boosting publications with questionable views?
― mh, Sunday, 5 August 2018 16:32 (six years ago) link
Adam doesn't need a context, it's enough for him to feel posters have done a wrong
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 5 August 2018 16:34 (six years ago) link
Adam, this is the Guardian article she was referring to (written by an ilxor!)https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/how-dangerous-is-jordan-b-peterson-the-rightwing-professor-who-hit-a-hornets-nest
― Alba, Sunday, 5 August 2018 17:21 (six years ago) link
I can see where he is coming from and maybe as someone who comes from latinamerica it’s easier since everyone in here is pretty much working class and nobody has time for tags and political correctedness, which does seem divisive as an outsider. I guess I can’t really know living it from the internet.
That said I’m cinic and I know this guy is just exploiting a niche that he saw gave him money and recognition and he has studied the arguments to support his bullshit.
It’s also very ironic he explicitly calls himself an anti-marxist and Sadier supports him.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 5 August 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
But I also think discarding everything she has done previously based on a tweet is moronic.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 5 August 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Maybe people aren't discarding but just choosing who they want to invest thought and attention with
― the Joao looked at Jonny (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 5 August 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
god who fucking cares? Jordan Peterson is a dumb asshole. Sadier has a Bad Opinion. Stereolab still rules.
― evol j, Thursday, August 2, 2018 3:02 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Sunday, 5 August 2018 20:32 (six years ago) link
Moka I get where you're coming from & that's pretty much how I interpreted JP at first. But he's revealed his true colors as a huckster charlatan who is bizarrely fixated on transpeople beyond the "compelled speech" bit. the "enforced monogamy" thing in the NYT interview, I mean, what can you say? he's making buckets of money by appealing to a fairly pathetic demographic of sad, insecure young (mostly white) men that feel emasculated or disenfranchised by our current cultural/sociopolitical climate. having said that, this very knee-jerk, vindictive, and punitive streak on the left fucking sucks. This one gets a strike, this one gets a pass/doesn't get a pass, so and so is cancelled. It's like they want the gulags up and running now so they can staff them. Scary
― flappy bird, Sunday, 5 August 2018 20:38 (six years ago) link