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I've been musing devoting a thread to this guy for a while but this is motivating me right now. I can't find info on the faculty letter elsewhere but this Peterson quote (verifiable from the embedded video) is something else:

I have absolutely no regrets about going after the postmodern neo-Marxists as hard as I possibly can and I am certainly not done doing so. So, one of the thing that is going to happen, for example, in the next month or so, I have been working with a programmer who has volunteered his services and has already produced this, he has produced a website that enables people to enter text that will then classify the text as postmodern or non-postmodern and so you will be able to enter a course descriptions from universities – the course description, the professor’s name, the discipline, and the university. It will tell you the degree to which the description is postmodern and then you can decide for yourself whether you want to take that and become a social justice warrior, if that is what you think your education should be about, or if you should avoid that like the plague that it truly is … I’d like to knock enrollment in the postmodern disciplines down by 75% over the next five years. I think that I am thinking about it from the perspective of nonviolent warfare, it is that serious to me and that this would be equivalent to cutting off the supply chain. It is like the postmodernists need a continual influx of young impressionable minds in order to continue their propagandistic and society devouring efforts and I am going to do absolutely everything I can to cut that supply chain off at the source.”

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:31 (three years ago) link

he linked the FB profiles of some associates of mine on Twitter in order to sicc his awful followers on them.

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 19:33 (three years ago) link

Standout features, to start (assuming this is not empty bluster, which is likely):
i) the level of entitlement it would take for a clinical psychology professor to decide that he should be able to decide which courses and programmes offered by his employer and which of his colleagues should survive and which should perish; does tenure do this to you?

ii) He would in fact do this, not even by applying his own judgment, but with a text-sorting algorithm that he is confident would be able to determine a course's level of postmodernism by scanning a course description (half of mine are not even written by me fwiw)

iii) postmodern neo-Marxism: is this even a real thing?

xp

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:38 (three years ago) link

he linked the FB profiles of some associates of mine on Twitter in order to sicc his awful followers on them.

Ugh

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:38 (three years ago) link

postmodern neo-Marxism: is this even a real thing

as a budding neo- (or at least contemporary) Marxist I feel I can pretty confidently state: no. He's talking out of his ass and conflating totally separate phenomena, some of which he has completely made up

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 19:39 (three years ago) link

not even by applying his own judgment, but with a text-sorting algorithm that he is confident would be able to determine a course's level of postmodernism by scanning a course description

he's flattering himself with the word "algorithm", for sure he's just going to come up with a list of offensing keywords and crtl-f

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 19:41 (three years ago) link

And he throws the ever elusive "skeletons" in there too just to make it clear he has no idea what he's talking about xpost

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:43 (three years ago) link

iii) postmodern neo-Marxism: is this even a real thing?

post-marxism is a thing but peterson just means "cultural marxists" or whatever. usually right-wing buzzword nonsense.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:46 (three years ago) link

i mean he uses the phrase "postmodern disciplines", he is just thinking of anything apart from STEM here isn't he?

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:47 (three years ago) link

He's talking out of his ass and conflating totally separate phenomena

I don't think intellectual honesty is the goal he's aiming for.

Scholarship is boring and difficult for most people and not well-rewarded. Plunging into political controversy with all guns blazing and taking the side of reactionary conservatism, otoh, is invigorating, doesn't tax one's intellectual ability, and if you catch the eye of talent-scouts for a billionaire-funded right wing think tank, it can be enriching, too.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 10 November 2017 19:50 (three years ago) link

Re: what he means by "post-modern Neo-Marxism," this Reddit post seems to get at it:

Marxism is a very broad social theory that extends far beyond its implementation in Soviet Russia and Mao’s China. Its core assertion is that whoever controls the means of production (the bourgeoisie in Marx’s writings) controls the ‘knowledge’ in society—the set of social norms, values and cultural conventions. This ‘ideology’ thus comes to be regarded as natural by everyone in society, even though it is only true in the sense that it benefits the bourgeoisie at the expense of the proletariat. Marx called this accepted ideology ‘false consciousness’.
Marxism experienced a revival in the social sciences in the 1960s as a theoretical framework for understanding how structures of power shape the social order. This approach to sociology went hand in hand with other emerging theories that questioned and challenged these relations of power (post-modernism, post-colonialism and post-structuralism in particular).
What Jordan Peterson is criticising, is a neo-marxist evaluation of how our society functions. In particular, people who believe that dominant cultural ideas are products of exploitative and oppressive elites. Which, for SJWs, is the white, cis-gendered, patriarchy.

Full thread here.

dinnerboat, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:53 (three years ago) link

Just seeing this title made me retch. Not that we shouldn't talk about him, of course.

pomenitul, Friday, 10 November 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

I just find it bizarre that he (or people of his ilk) equates "SJWs" (a derisive term for people who are extremely vocal but pretty strictly about issues of representation, mostly in pop-culture stuff) with marxists of any stripe

Simon H., Friday, 10 November 2017 19:57 (three years ago) link

fwiw, the Athenian, Critias (fl. 5th century B.C.), argued that the gods were the invention of the wealthy and powerful few, solely for the purpose of controlling the masses. So, it's not as if the idea began with Marx.

Ironically, Critias himself was a wealthy reactionary politician from a powerful family, who was the leading man among the Thirty Tryants put in place by the Spartans to rule Athens after the Peloponnesian War. He helped carry out bloody purges of democratic leaders in the city. Probably the kind of guy Jordan would approve of, except by Jordan's definition Critias was practically a neo-Marxist SJW.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 10 November 2017 20:07 (three years ago) link

I wonder where he locates his own views in relation to postmodernism. They don't seem diametrically opposed. There was an interview where he argued for a pragmatist theory of truth and said that scientific truth is secondary and less important than the pragmatic truth of religion, which has to do with utility/morality/flourishing.

jmm, Friday, 10 November 2017 20:15 (three years ago) link

He argues that his views are rooted in biology and evolution — Darwinism, basically — in contrast to what he identifies as the social constructionism of the postmodernists. Though I'm less comfortable tossing these $5 words around than he is.

dinnerboat, Friday, 10 November 2017 20:27 (three years ago) link

I like when he talks about religion and art, completely uninterested in his pronoun obsession, and his followers are p vile and pathetic for the most part. i do like listening to him speak though, he's entertaining as a pop philosopher. his obsession with postmodernists and marxists is also a little tiresome (i admittedly don't know much about either in depth, to the level where i could confidently call bullshit or not), but the transgender thing is really fuckin grating.

flappy bird, Friday, 10 November 2017 21:38 (three years ago) link

he's a total dipshit

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 November 2017 21:47 (three years ago) link

I was just having a conversation about this with a coworker. It's a shame he has fallen into this b.s. rabbit hole. I like his lectures on Jung, religious archetypes, and "cultural dna." I find some of his arguments about the value of religious principles convincing—and I'm in no way religious. The biggest Peterson fan I know is an atheist, as I think many of his followers are. But this dude has a major chip on his shoulder about this pronoun issue. He's also clearly miffed from getting torn apart on Sam Harris's podcast. It's a bummer that he's so caught up in this shit, and with no end in sight.

Say what you want about Peterson, Sam Harris, and others of their ilk. I think it's a positive thing that these people are getting some attention. I don't remember any prominent philsophers or psychologists getting semi-mainstream attention before. And even if people are hearing these discussions through a Joe Rogan podcast, that's fine by me.

Benjamin-, Friday, 10 November 2017 21:54 (three years ago) link

He is not getting attention for his scholarly work in psychology.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:04 (three years ago) link

I was a fan of his from his appearances on The Agenda, a local current affairs show. And his Maps of Meaning is an interesting take on religious and mythological archetypes, in the Joseph Campbell and Northrop Frye vein. It's been disturbing to watch him elevated as this figurehead of the alt right, though I think it's also a consequence of the general polarization at the moment — he believes the "pronoun" issue (or specifically the vulnerability of our institutions like schools and the law to the machinations of radical leftists, which he sees as little different from Nazis) is a step on the path to the kind of murderous totalitarianism of the Soviet era.

dinnerboat, Friday, 10 November 2017 22:07 (three years ago) link

If you mean Steve Paikin's The Agenda on TVO, that has always been good when I've watched it. The debate about gender was a very good and at times illuminating episode imo (although Peterson wasn't the best part of it).

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:13 (three years ago) link

It is pretty lazy and irresponsible to associate Peterson with the alt-right. I know plenty of liberals that follow him, as well as reasonable conservatives. He's getting pegged as alt-right by quite a few blogs now.

Benjamin-, Friday, 10 November 2017 22:23 (three years ago) link

Though he isn't helping his cause by embracing Pepe, focusing his ire exclusively on the left, appearing on alt right media like The Rebel. He was on Fox & Friends this afternoon.

dinnerboat, Friday, 10 November 2017 22:28 (three years ago) link

It's not lazy, he's embraced that group wholeheartedly. They're the reason 99% of the people who've heard of him have heard of him and they're the reason he can pull in $30k a month with his Patreon.

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:28 (three years ago) link

It is pretty lazy and irresponsible to associate Peterson with the alt-right. I know plenty of liberals that follow him, as well as reasonable conservatives. He's getting pegged as alt-right by quite a few blogs now.

― Benjamin-, Friday, November 10, 2017 2:23 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i know arguing with someone like you is a waste of time because you're not ever going to be arguing in good faith, but ...

jordan peterson is directly connected to the rebel, who hosted a crowdfunding campaign for him. he associates with the worst examples of the canadian alt-right, and has intentionally built a profile based on his transphobia which he has monetized.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:30 (three years ago) link

like when you repeatedly appear getting interviewed by people like prison paul, the leader of the proud boys, you are being quite deliberate about who you want to associate with and why

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:33 (three years ago) link

a quick google confirms he was literally on fox and friends today

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 10 November 2017 22:35 (three years ago) link

Marxism is a very broad social theory that extends far beyond its implementation in Soviet Russia and Mao’s China. Its core assertion is that whoever controls the means of production (the bourgeoisie in Marx’s writings) controls the ‘knowledge’ in society—the set of social norms, values and cultural conventions. This ‘ideology’ thus comes to be regarded as natural by everyone in society, even though it is only true in the sense that it benefits the bourgeoisie at the expense of the proletariat. Marx called this accepted ideology ‘false consciousness’.
Marxism experienced a revival in the social sciences in the 1960s as a theoretical framework for understanding how structures of power shape the social order. This approach to sociology went hand in hand with other emerging theories that questioned and challenged these relations of power (post-modernism, post-colonialism and post-structuralism in particular).
What Jordan Peterson is criticising, is a neo-marxist evaluation of how our society functions. In particular, people who believe that dominant cultural ideas are products of exploitative and oppressive elites. Which, for SJWs, is the white, cis-gendered, patriarchy.

See, the thing is, I'm not actually sure that this is an informed and coherent description of a real intellectual tradition, although, unlike Peterson, I recognize that intellectual history in philosophy and social science is not my area of specialization. (Marxism IS a modern grand narrative, for one thing, while I gather that postmodernism, insofar as I understand it to mean anything, involves some sort of scepticism of grand narratives.) It is more or less what he was saying on Fox and Friends, though, that postmodernism was when Marxism 'turned into' identity politics in the 60s, which seems very, very odd.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 November 2017 00:46 (three years ago) link

I really like the cultural DNA and semiotics discussion and as a non-religious person I find the religious meta-narrative stuff fascinating. I don't know his past but he seems to have gained an audience beyond his students & academia and is pursuing them and catering to them regardless of their belief system/makeup. he's an opportunist. i'm not gonna give him money but the little pop philosophy clips of his lectures on youtube are fun to listen to as someone that's really into semiotics and grand narratives. his postmodern / marxist schtick isn't really any different than what DFW was talking about in Infinite Jest, coping with the loss of God and how we have satisfied that innate religious impulse within all of us through various 'false idols' or dead ends or whatever, whether it's drugs or food or social media or hive mind cliques. I like that he mentions the Gulag Archipelago and Solzhenitsyn in almost every interview he does.

flappy bird, Saturday, 11 November 2017 01:06 (three years ago) link

his postmodern / marxist schtick isn't really any different than what DFW was talking about in Infinite Jest, coping with the loss of God and how we have satisfied that innate religious impulse within all of us through various 'false idols' or dead ends or whatever, whether it's drugs or food or social media or hive mind cliques.

I haven't read Infinite Jest but it makes me think more of Obama-era Glenn Beck or a million right-wing conspiracy theorists (see the Rich Higgins memo or a bunch of these, in Canada: Worst National Post Columnist).

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 November 2017 01:20 (three years ago) link

Closer to Chomsky than Glenn Beck.

dinnerboat, Saturday, 11 November 2017 03:46 (three years ago) link

He has a vocabulary, but he's basically a "political correctness sucks, amirite?" troll. Fuck him.

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:38 (three years ago) link

(I try not to make a practice of posting on threads about people I hate/make me mad, but as a Canadian academic, this guy has been an unavoidable nuisance for the last year or so.)

iCloudius (cryptosicko), Saturday, 11 November 2017 04:45 (three years ago) link

That's where he gets his money, but that's far from all he talks about. To be fair I'm not at all interested in the internecine battles of Canadian academics.

flappy bird, Saturday, 11 November 2017 05:18 (three years ago) link

^suggest ban

bumbling my way toward the light or wahtever (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:05 (three years ago) link

Perhaps he has a way to tie all this together and I'm just not aware, but yeah, it's really difficult for me to see "marxist post-modernism" as anything but a paradox.

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 11 November 2017 12:09 (three years ago) link

To be fair I'm not at all interested in the internecine battles of Canadian academics.

He is literally talking about using his social media following to go 'as hard as [he] possibly can' after any courses, disciplines, or professors that his computer program judges to be 'postmodern' via a scan of keywords in course descriptions. This isn't about something he said on a tenure review committee.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 11 November 2017 14:19 (three years ago) link

ftr, Chomsky never tried to prevent students from being exposed to other ideas.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 11 November 2017 18:50 (three years ago) link

ha, that's a good one and i loved the distinction between post-modern neo-marxism and cultural marxism.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 17 November 2017 22:10 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

In the least shocking news ever, Bill Maher is having this asshole on his show next week.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Saturday, 14 April 2018 03:16 (three years ago) link

Boring guy nobody pays attention to imo. Maher or Petersen whatever.

everything, Saturday, 14 April 2018 04:24 (three years ago) link

Shit, we already had a thread for this fuck?

There’s been months of bullshit about him on the alt-right thread.

Also, fuck this guy,he’s a despicable idiot grifter and a nihilist at heart. I hope his family abandons him and his funeral is a well-oiled procedure conducted by bureaucrats wearing disposable gloves.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 April 2018 04:51 (three years ago) link

I’m waiting for the revelation that this guy has just been a Christoph Waltz character all along.

Dangleballs and the Ballerina (cryptosicko), Monday, 23 April 2018 03:27 (two years ago) link

Bill Maher’s endless piping on about how he’s some arbiter of anti pc is laughable. Luckily Maher is so dumb that most guests can just shut him down

after party for the apocalypse (Ross), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:22 (two years ago) link

oh, come in.. I didn't see you out there... in the dark.

welcome... welcome to Lobster Manor... a respite, or perhaps, a trap? I jape, traveler, I jape...

I think if nothing else you will find the accommodations very... clean.

yes... very clean indeed. pic.twitter.com/FrB3B2Ucq6

— lvl45 CHAOS POTUS who thinks 'the pee won't leak' (@thetomzone) April 22, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 23 April 2018 14:37 (two years ago) link

should I be surprised that every comment on that video is complaining about the woman on the panel for not shutting up and listening to Jordan Peterson

frogbs, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:44 (two years ago) link

was trying to figure out who he reminded me of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYAzjJRZ6HA

omar little, Monday, 23 April 2018 15:58 (two years ago) link

the gay one in Westlife is going to be the name of my next plant, thank you

lord of the ting tings (map), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:18 (two months ago) link

I want that as a postage stamp.

jmm, Wednesday, 10 February 2021 18:41 (two months ago) link

update: the winner of the book club poll was the silent patient by alex michaelides (which they spelled wrong in the poll, i think)

superdeep borehole (harbl), Wednesday, 10 February 2021 20:59 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Lol. Jordan Peterson is upset that Red Skull seems to have been modeled after him in a Captain America comic pic.twitter.com/RG3ZZYydDH

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) April 6, 2021

anecdotal certainly but not nothing (stevie), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 17:11 (two weeks ago) link

shame nobody at Marvel had any way of looking up photoreference for what a website looks like

armoured van, Holden (sic), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 18:01 (two weeks ago) link

Honestly "Red Skull ate nothing but meat for a year" would totally make sense to me

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 18:32 (two weeks ago) link

Mgtows posting their Ls online

Mark E. Smith died this year. Or, maybe last year. (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 21:49 (two weeks ago) link

Honestly "Red Skull ate nothing but meat for a year" would totally make sense to me

Red Colon

anecdotal certainly but not nothing (stevie), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 22:43 (two weeks ago) link

holy shit im crying. ta-nehsi coates wrote a captain america comic parodying jordan peterseon's ideas with red skull. he got so mad about it. pic.twitter.com/HoZNF9SB96

— iceBER (@hidingmytag) April 6, 2021

I'm losing it

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:08 (one week ago) link

the comic itself looks cringey as hell and JDP comes off as flattered/excited to me there, bad idea all around

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:14 (one week ago) link

yeah, I don't see where Peterson is mad?

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:21 (one week ago) link

Peterson almost died on a years long exercise to prove to the world he is a notable intellectual and not a proto-fascist self help guru, I will forever feel a sense of insecurity in him in that regard. For all the bad stuff we can say about that idiot, he does dislike the concept of white pride. I don't think he will be flattered to be the inspiration for a new rendition for one of the most famous fictional nazis we have today.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:21 (one week ago) link

Being parodied as a supervillain by a leading liberal would be a badge of honor for someone like him, as Keith Olbermann would still be talking about it if Trump had given him a mean nickname on Twitter in 2017.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:23 (one week ago) link

also, his recent book announcement died a sad quiet death so any attention is good for him right now

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:27 (one week ago) link

Would need to read the whole comic, but those panels seem a little “on the nose.” The idea is that red skull is using petersonesque self help to lure alienated white men into his evil schemes?

treeship., Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:30 (one week ago) link

I mean it’s kind of funny, I guess.

treeship., Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:31 (one week ago) link

Captain America, as a whole, is on the nose!

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:35 (one week ago) link

It does seem to be from the "tell don't show" school of narrative fiction, weird choice for a visual medium IMO.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:37 (one week ago) link

You should give Ta-Nehisi Coates writing lessons.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:43 (one week ago) link

"oh, you think Nickelback sucks, where is your number one hit"

Joe Bombin (milo z), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 02:52 (one week ago) link

which Captain America comics do you think are effective, treesh?

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 03:22 (one week ago) link

https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/l4necowex4m.png

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 05:17 (one week ago) link

The Coates run on Black Panther was close to unreadable imo. A rare occasion where an outsider coming in actually resulted in a more convoluted and harder to follow comic than if it had been one of the regular continuity hacks. Being a good essayist doesn't mean you're good at fiction, and scripting comics is yet another toolset altogether - but tbf the comics industry has rolled out the red carpet for writers far far worse at it than Coates.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 09:57 (one week ago) link

In promo interviews he said he’d never read any comics other than Marvel comics, which didn’t bode well for someone adapting to a new medium.

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 10:18 (one week ago) link

if the red skull doesn't know what websites look like that's on him and his site design team imo

mark s, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 11:26 (one week ago) link

yeah i mean he's gotta be like 100 years old, i'm surprised he knows anything about web design

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 15:59 (one week ago) link

If Cable doesn’t know what feet look like, that’s between him and his cobbler

armoured van, Holden (sic), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:52 (one week ago) link

"Jordan Peterson is happy a prominent Black man called him a Nazi" is a hell of a take

Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:53 (one week ago) link

show me a tweet where he seems genuinely mad and I'll reconsider it!

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:55 (one week ago) link

Look, at least the thread managed to establish that TNC is more worthy of criticism than the guy leveraging bigotry into money and acclaim.

Scamp Granada (gyac), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:56 (one week ago) link

Being a good essayist doesn't mean you're good at fiction

Didn't his novel already prove this? As I recall, the reviews were pretty savage.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 16:57 (one week ago) link

show me a tweet where he seems genuinely mad and I'll reconsider it!

― intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:55 PM (two minutes ago)

I mean in addition to his entire timeline over the past two days, there's this retweet:

Jordan Peterson shocked after learning comic links his ideas with villain https://t.co/WhOz9IFleW via OpIndia_com

— Dr Jordan B Peterson (@jordanbpeterson) April 6, 2021

worth noting that the source there is a Hindutva propaganda organ

rob, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:07 (one week ago) link

I for one am shocked that jordan peterson RTd an article about jordan peterson

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:32 (one week ago) link

honestly I'd be more convinced that he was actually mad if he just said "no comment"

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:33 (one week ago) link

The guy made his bones bitching about Disney content and now he is Disney content. That's a move up!

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:34 (one week ago) link

You are giving him too much credit imo

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 17:59 (one week ago) link

he's a dramatic guy and he likes it when people misrepresent him because it gives him something to complain about. the opportunity to beef with tnc is something he'd definitely relish. simon otm.

treeship., Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:01 (one week ago) link

I did see him recently responding on Twitter to a critical (though not fully negative) review with “Why do you hate me?” I don’t think he handles criticism too well.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:02 (one week ago) link

'beef'

change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:02 (one week ago) link

You are giving him too much credit imo

remember "dark enlightenment"? these assholes love to be seen as renegades and villains by the culture they claim is an immoral and corrupting influence

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:10 (one week ago) link

I think I misunderstood what Simon meant by "flattered"?

I mean yeah of course he's seizing the opportunity to frame the hysterical left as thinking that being told to clean their rooms and not lie is equivalent to perpetuating the holocaust

rob, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:11 (one week ago) link

but he's communicating that response via a tone of pompous indignation

rob, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:12 (one week ago) link

anyway whatever, fuck this asshole forever

rob, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:13 (one week ago) link

pete wentz on JP's ideology/outlook:

I don't care what you think
As long as it's about me

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:15 (one week ago) link

exactly.

treeship., Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:21 (one week ago) link

To be fair, we all have been thinking about him way too much.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 18:59 (one week ago) link

Was just about to say (guilty as charged).

pomenitul, Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:01 (one week ago) link

His new book got to #10 on the usa today list, but it's falling off fast. His previous book got to #2 and is still on the list.

wasdnuos (abanana), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:17 (one week ago) link

Damn, that cancel culture must have got him. He’ll be ruined

jammy mcnullity (wins), Wednesday, 7 April 2021 19:20 (one week ago) link


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