rolling emo/pop-punk/dogs on skateboards 2017

that review apparently no longer exists on the website but this tragedy still does: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/8054-full-collapse/

also: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/4261-bleed-american/

the deja entendu review is also still there. the weird thing with that is i read that review at the time and thought "oh yeah, this record sounds like some bullshit" but mtv2 played "sic transit gloria" CONSTANTLY and i was like, "this song fucking rules, i'm buying the album who gives a shit"

and now i make rolling emo threads on ilx

so glad i didnt care about music reviews until like 2008

well pitchfork anyway. read the source pretty religiously for a long time

im pumped 4 this poll. Are you gonna do albums and tracks?

yeah i probably could've saved myself a lot of adolescent taste posturing had i never followed a link to pfork's kid a review through a radiohead fansite

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Pretty sure it's the NME's fault I didn't listen to any emo records between 'From Under the Cork Tree' and the first Joyce Manor.

all these bad p4k reviews of classic emo albums just screams of anxiety - the knock consistently appears to be that the albums aren't /serious/ enough compared to the EXTREMELY DIFFERENT and NOT THE SAME THING AT ALL college rock indie albums they're touting one review over. hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever, or listening to all of bleed american and not enjoying any of it. all these reviews sound like the reviewer yelling at their own youth.

at the v least i'll do albums and depending how that goes i'll do tracks too maybe following? it feels like too much to run both simultaneously?

hard to imagine someone listening to deja entendu and not finding at least some of the lyrics clever

to that reviewer's credit i believe he acknowledges that some of the lyrics are great

give spin + andy greenwald credit for treating thursday and brand new and dashboard all seriously - i loved greenwald's nothing feels good and i remember at least a few really excellent profiles of chris carrabba at the time. probably lucky i was reading spin (and RS who iirc didn't weigh in much either way) and not p4k.

conversely i haaaaate the greenwald book but i hate dude's writing generally

well, at least nothing feels good is better than everybody hurts

i haven't read it since it came out so for all i know it would annoy me now but back then it felt good (lol) to see bands i loved getting a somewhat serious treatment on their level. iirc i particularly liked the conversations he had w/ the fans about why they loved this music.

I suffered p much exactly the same musical respectability politics issue that Brad did which is why the closest I got to emo at the time was The Wrens and the Desoto records stuff which tbh I really think should also be considered emo. Some of it (eg Shiner's The Egg) even got the dreaded emo pan

wait, I see that actually got a positive review, I must be thinking of something else from the same period

anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus

i have no idea what these bands are simon

oh man

the noms thread is going to feature me breathlessly droning on about guitar albums no one else gives a shit about, it's gonna suck/rule

Black Eyes self-titled still goes hard

Still listen to those guys all the time. This track goes so hard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifvomZe3WLo

I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.

I think there are certain Black Eyes tracks (Deformative) but maybe not the albums

anyway the early aughts were such a great time for bands threading the post-hardcore / emo / indie rock / art-rock needle imo, see also Frodus

otm

tbh I thought Jimmy Eat World, Jets to Brazil, etc were terrible at the time. Was much more into stuff like Small Brown Bike, Hot Water, Frodus, Shiner, PMFS... which I guess means just post-hardcore, though emo-core was what we thought of it.

I did like Get Up Kids though so who knows

oh man I remember P4k shitting on JtB (and Jawbreaker's Dear You!) for their emoness so hard

lol Danm never heard of any of those bands.

It isn't emo, but I lost nearly all respect for pitchfork when they gave Lifter Puller's Fiestas & Fiascos a 3.something rating, and then years later were slobbering all over the band after Hold Steady blew up and the LP discography came out.

lol I remember that!

Legit surprised you've never heard of Hot Water Music in an emo thread. Sad! ;) xp

honestly "best album panned by p4k" would also be a great poll

I guess we can save the debate for the poll but imo to qualify, bands should have *some* kind of over-earnest or, well, emotional quality, which is why I'd be comfortable nominating Juno but not, say, Black Eyes or Q and not U.

i would nominate q and not u personally but then i think that also opens the floodgates for like, fugazi, so idk

it's gonna be weird maintaining the limits of a very ill-defined genre!

yeah and it's gonna feel weird and wrong if like The Wrens place above Three Cheers for Sweet Revenge

then again...heartbreak over silly shit would be v emo, so

See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out. Everyone was way more into the stuff coming out on DeSoto, Deep Elm, No Idea, etc.

Or maybe I just hung out with more punk rockers than it seemed like at the time. The joys of dissecting what "emo" is at 38 years old, 17 years after the fact!

remember when ultragrrl (i think that was her name?) called three cheers for sweet revenge this generation's nevermind

See I dunno if it's just the influence of the college radio circles I ran with at the time or what, and honestly no offense intended, but My Chemical Romance was widely regarded as garbage by the emo "cognoscenti" I associated with when they came out.

This was v much the perception in my friend circle at the time, I only learned to love them and FOB thru ILX evangelism (esp brad's) over the least few years

i didn't like FOB until infinity on high and continue to find those earlier albums pretty boring + derivative - i think they really came into their sound around then and it has only been excellent stuff since then. MCR otoh was great from the get-go and if anything i think they kinda lost the plot the more proggy-emo they got. speaking of proggy-emo i'm unapologetically a coheed & cambria fan in particularly second stage turbine and in keeping secrets

particular*

second stage was a huge record for me bc it was kind of a "eureka" moment with regard to the continuity of emo bc parts of it sound like sunny day real estate

besides ILX I think Thursday's A City by the Light Divided was what clued me in to the fact that there was a whole world of stuff I'd previously dismissed, and tbh I don't think I'd have noticed it except for the fact that it crossed over to the indie press due to (I guess) Fridmann's involvement

anyway I will save my most controversial emo recommendation for the noms thread

i remember wanting that record to cross over more than it did. thursday were always kinda acceptable to like though, all those godspeed! you black emperor references

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save all this talk for the poll!

this is the most conversational this thread has ever been and i'm enjoying it so much!

tru sorry

ahaha it's ok, i also sorta agree

Did anybody listen to One For The Team back in the day? This is one of my fav pop-punk records of the last decade and I've been coming back to it a ton the last few months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmfq_PwyvPo

i have no idea what this record is! i'm so excited!

gonna let brad make the 2018 thread but happy new Jeff Rosenstock album day!!!

oh cool, I didn't know that was coming

yeah it was a surprise release. he finally wrote his own britpop tune ("TV Stars")

new jeff is pretty good

yes I think that is the correct descriptor, not quite a masterwork/major statement like WORRY was but lots of great and appealingly weird moments

rolling emo/pop-punk/embarrassing music 2018