Hilary Duff: Joy for pre-teens, not just Humbert Humbert

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At the concert that is.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

'don't ask me, i'm just a girl'

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I love "Come Clean" - is there more Hillary I should investigate?

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 January 2004 22:42 (twenty-two years ago)

yes, you might also like "statik", dillinja's remix of "me or the papes", and her contribution to gang starr's "i'm the man".

― strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 January 2004 22:57 (twenty-two years ago)

That's funny strongo but I hope you don't think I'm being faux-naif. I'm serious! I didn't like "So Yesterday" much though. Or her version on Lenky's Dreamweaver riddim either.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 26 January 2004 23:27 (twenty-two years ago)

"The Math".

― edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 09:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I dunno, man. She looks quite scrumptious for a such a young starlet.

― Fido Dido Wino (Francis Watlington), Tuesday, 27 January 2004 12:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Edward, I knew you'd come through with the goods!

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Wednesday, 28 January 2004 00:13 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

omg "Wake Up" is so pretty!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

i think hilary at her best is maybe...the very best of the teenpop stars? there's something about her older material (pre-the new album, which is terrific but in a different way) which is tremendously emotionally resonant, and wonderfully crafted: her phrasing is exquisite, the production straddles rough and smooth in just the right way, even the lyrics are great!

this is all based on the brilliance of five tracks:

come clean
wake up
the math
fly
beat of my heart

what else of hilarity's older material is as great as this?

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

my kid has album you refer to -- possible the most moronic lyrics I've ever heard ;-)

― m coleman, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

you know, i'm actually kinda glad we're moving back into an era when teen pop is just for pre-teens and rock critics reflexively bash it for this very fact. but this one doesn't know quite what it wants to say, does it?

-- strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 January 2004 21:06

oh, strongopaws, how wrong you were :(

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

i'm no crystal ball

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

interesting, er, thread to choose, lex

― Frogman Henry, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

the list of bands who i've drunkenly assured my friends "well that's the last we'll hear of THEM," who then went on to become international superstars, is quite long

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

interesting, er, thread to choose, lex

there weren't too many specifically about hilary!

i feel that not everyone is treating this as seriously as they could

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

RIP Haylie Duff

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

jess i have a little moeny to invest in shares, any tips? i hear the housing market over there is good?

― 696, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

HOT: curmudgeonly old folks and free jazz
NOT: hilary duff and "fun"

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i was more weeping for the future than gloating over your error, strongo.

Duff's had a couple decent singles but she has the same kind of expressionless little child voice as Sanjaya Malakar. except she still sounds like that even now that she's like 20 years old and has no excuse.

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

hilary duff isn't particularly fun. but she is hot, cuz she's fly. you ain't cuz you not.

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

hilary's duff is probably the least "expressionless" of any teenpop singer!!! she really nails her lyrics, she sings them with the exact vague wistfulness/melancholy/yearning that they need. little-girlish yes, but she was a girl. i don't think that's something to castigate her over.

and she doesn't really sound like that any more.

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

I mean it's not like I expect every pop singer to be a powerhouse vocalist but honestly when critics talk about "the sharpness of Lindsay's phrasing or the force of Ashlee's personality" they just sound deluded.

(xpost dude i've heard her new singles, her voice sounds exactly the same as it did a few years ago)

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

jess i have a little moet on the shelf. should i drink it?

― 696, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

her voice is REALLY BAD. above and beyond the cartoonish, OTT platitudes, this is why i can never take lex's duff obsession seriously.

xpost, yes

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

lex do you think hilary is not girl, not yet a woman?

― 696, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

honestly for people who claim to dislike hilary, jess and alex sure were all over her thread the minute i bumped it! i think they love the duff more than they care to admit

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

The only good Duff single is "Come Clean", which may as well have been sung by an Atari 2600 for all the human quality to her vocals.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

well, like I said, she's had a couple good singles! and she used to be cute, before her facial features got all Skeletor in the last year or two. (xpost Dom OTM)

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

i admit it: i love the duff

― Frogman Henry, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

this is what i do instead of reading the times with my coffee every morning while waking up

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

well then would you care to talk about what you like about her then, or perhaps even engage with what i've said about her, rather than lazily dismissing entire swathes of opinion just because you can't get over yourself enough to admit you like it without a thousand qualifications to keep your distance from it? seriously being all curmudgeonly is not an appealing look no matter how hard you and jess try to cultivate it - it just makes you look old (ie irrelevant)

xp to alex

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

my favourite moment of 'come clean' is that line "and going out is better than always staying in" - there's a fantastic chord change on the word "always", there's a sudden guitar peal, it lifts the song from moody introversion into something v positive and hopeful, and then of course the chorus comes crashing in rather wonderfully

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

okay let's go

"which is tremendously emotionally resonant,"

this means nothing without being fleshed out and backed up

"and wonderfully crafted"

ditto

"her phrasing is exquisite,"

ditto

"the production straddles rough and smooth in just the right way,"

getting there, but still tells me nothing

"even the lyrics are great!"

ditto

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

I remember last time I had this argument on ILM I pointed out like two dozen 'teenpop' artists I've enjoyed recent singles by, it's not like I hate the stuff across the board. But you can praise it on its own terms, and not force a bunch of hyperbole about the quality of their vocal performances (i.e. "tremendously emotionally resonant, and wonderfully crafted: her phrasing is exquisite").

I don't mind looking old when the alternative is trying to trying to emulate the taste and writing style of a 12-year-old girl.

(haha xpost ok strongo said it better)

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

i could plug in "mary j. blige," "morton feldman," or "shellac" in there and it would mean the same thing, i.e. nothing.

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

basically lex, this would be sent back for rewrites immediately and/or i'd just scrap the assignment, issue you a kill fee, and wish you well in whatever future non-writing career you'd like.

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

i think Shellac at their best is maybe...the very best of the teenpop stars?

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

has lex seen logan's run. has this joke been made before.

― Frogman Henry, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thuisexperimenteren.nl/chemicalien/ether.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

jess this is ilm, i'm not going to put the same effort into it as into, you know, actual writing

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

unless you want to pay me of course

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno guys, i think shes at the age where a little drink driving could really help her profile

im not sure racism is a good look for hilary just yet, but in a couple of years, she could try see if she could pull that off?

― 696, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

of course! but don't expect me to "seriously engage" with the critical equivalent of text message mash notes in that case.

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

i feel like the people i've watched waste precious minutes of their life trying to get Geir to make sense.

― Alex in Baltimore, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

(the math and beat of my heart are great singles btw, not sure about the more recent stuff)

― 696, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

that's what ilm is kind of based on

xps

― lex pretend, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

"i think Shellac at their best is maybe...the very best of the teenpop stars?"

Todd Trainer is foxy.

― David R., Monday, 14 May 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

hilary's startin to look a little like atomizer-era albini come to think of it

― strongohulkington, Monday, 14 May 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

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whats finney's thing now anyway, i only ever see him on retro threads, housey threads, stuff pitchfork sent him threads and dialectical conundrums to exercise himself on threads? not being bad or nothing but he was kinda the kogan-brand glue of his day.

mitch as well, what happened there

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

mitch posts as jermainetwo

― and what, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i know but... what happened there

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

maybe we all cynicalized him out of listening to stuff with lyrics

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

dialectical conundrums to exercise himself on threads

haha

― deej, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

the tori amos thread rtc

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

unless van helden's on the remix again i'll pass

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

erm btw did everyone know there's a rmx of duff's single with slim thug and play&skillz?

kinda hott too!

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

good song, but its just r&b!

― deej, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

brace yrself deej

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

unless... the teenpoppers were to agree with you?

that wd be interesting

― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

haha! i like

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 16 May 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Are some folks over at dissensus instead? I think Stelfox posts over there about dancehall and Finney is there a bit.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 May 2007 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

i heard qoolout and hillis 3000 were posting on dissensus now too

― and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Are they still posting battle raps?

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

did people used to 'keystyle' on ilm?

other than chromski a.k. gattlington i mean

― deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it was awesome. They even did the "punctuation so you can see where I'd be empathising these words IRL" thing.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

blount was right

― and what, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

RIP

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 17 May 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...

http://bp2.blogger.com/_2DoVgQdBtOw/RpIXkQ-RdwI/AAAAAAAAAZ0/Ass6-sl2yj4/s1600-h/Studio+33+Pres.+Best+of+2007+Massive+Megamix+Vol.3.jpg

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 28 December 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

This thread has my favorite Tim F responses.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 28 December 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

And I seem to recall a Cure for Bedbugs blog post about the new Arcade Fire album, which amounted to not much more than "Ick! Dull, dull, dull!" -- which I guess is partially an attempt to distance himself from his own 9.7 Pitchfork review of the first one.

-- jaymc, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 16:47 (7 months ago) Bookmark Link

Heart of truth at centre of thread.

― Dom Passantino, Friday, 28 December 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Rosebud...

― dabug, Friday, 28 December 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

being all curmudgeonly . . . just makes you look old (ie irrelevant)
-- lex pretend

Old = Irrelevant. LOL.

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 28 December 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

welcome to lexworld, man.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 December 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

it's all part of his hilarious ideology and you should subscribe to his newsletter.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 December 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah. Like I said on another thread, he seems smart, just dogmatic. And since I'm old(-ish) (39), his comment struck me as funny and perhaps revealing about his enthusiasm for teenpop (my invisible psych degree sits framed on my wall next to my invisible music degree).

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 28 December 2007 16:57 (eighteen years ago)

and perhaps revealing about his enthusiasm for teenpop

and perhaps his own youth as well.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 December 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

Is he young? I assumed -- perhaps wrongly -- that he was an adult music writer/critic. I thought I saw a picture of him on these boards at one point (awkwardly holding a guitar, maybe?).

― Daniel, Esq., Friday, 28 December 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

He's a few years older than me iirc (I'm 21), but I meant "youth" in the broad sense.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 28 December 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

He doesn't seem that young when he's emulating the taste, writing style and enthusiasm level of someone half his age.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 28 December 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

This thread has my favorite Tim F responses.

Yeah, they're good. This thread has my favorite Dom Passantino responses.

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 29 December 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

i feel that not everyone is treating this as seriously as they could
-- lex pretend

epitaph

― gershy, Saturday, 29 December 2007 03:51 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

Greta (Hilary Duff) is a trip, but she’s not a vacation. She’s seventeen, bright, beautiful and seriously rebellious, full of sarcastic wit that barely disguises the hurt inside. Pushed aside by her mother, Karen, who is on her third marriage and counting, Greta is shipped off to her grandparents for the summer, and she’s not happy about it. In fact, she tells them that she fully intends to kill herself before the summer is over and is currently compiling a notebook of suicide methods. Acerbic, yet winningly impulsive, Greta is a stunning force of nature, disrupting her grandparents’ staid and settled lives and the Jersey Shore community they live in as well. Greta falls for a harismatic, young short-order cook (Evan Ross), only to find out he’s been in and out of a juvenile correctional facility for stealing cars. Now he’s determined to do something with his life, but as their romance heats up, Greta has to overcome the concerns of her grandparents (Ellen Burstyn, Michael Murphy) about her boyfriend’s criminal past. But soon a near catastrophe gives Greta a wake-up call and demonstrates how deeply her own actions impact those around her. Greta’s growing love for her elderly grandparents, along with the excitement of her first summer romance, gradually strips away her defenses, revealing the promising, charismatic young woman underneath her shell.

― Dom Passantino, Saturday, 2 February 2008 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

this was kinda the last hurrah for the poptimist crew in many ways, most of them don't post much anymore or at all.

― gershy, Saturday, 2 February 2008 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

which might be why i have a million western swing songs when *logically* i could probably do with about 8

-- 696, Tuesday, 15 May 2007 14:27 (11 months ago) Bookmark Link

This is the wrongest thing on the thread, just because Bob Willis made a living as a Spade Cooley impressionist, doesn't mean Western Swing was a generic genre.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 24 April 2008 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

Oh where, oh where did the nerd pedophiles go; oh where oh where can they be...

― Gorge, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

livejournal? no really, I think that's the serious answer.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

anyway kinda surprised to see Duff on the top 10 of FHM 100 Sexiest Women In The World 2008 considering that she's looked pretty awful with horse teeth veneers for at least a couple years now.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 24 April 2008 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

BILL O'REILLY CALLS FOR CONFERENCE TO DISCUSS MILEY CYRUS LINGERIE PICS! EXTRA EXTRA!

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/miley-cyrus-boyfriend_448x261.jpg

(maybe all the nerds are at the conference.)

― scott seward, Thursday, 24 April 2008 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

did people used to 'keystyle' on ilm?

-- deej, Thursday, 17 May 2007 15:34 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

deej be all "Damn, I should have gotten here earlier"

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 15:09 (seventeen years ago)

you've revived this thread four times

― and what, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 15:11 (seventeen years ago)

I know, great innit?

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 15:15 (seventeen years ago)

Nah. It's kind of sad. Let go, man.

― Pashmina, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 15:24 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

soon to be an honorary edmonton oilerette !

― Daniel, Esq., Saturday, 20 February 2010 16:48 (sixteen years ago)

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