good to seem some stadows material in thereyeah and a couple from Stadows In The Night II: Still Stadowy
― tylerw, Friday, 23 October 2015 21:35 (eight years ago) link
JEFFERSON TURNIN OVER IN HIS GRAVE
― j., Sunday, 6 December 2015 22:28 (eight years ago) link
just put on side 2 of Saved and maybe it's just the holidays but sounds pretty good to me! remembered this as a total dud...
― niels, Friday, 25 December 2015 09:37 (eight years ago) link
I love how "In the Garden" is as much about Dylan as Jesus
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 25 December 2015 11:52 (eight years ago) link
it's certainly not abt Mel Gibson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCRFeRyfJW8
― niels, Friday, 25 December 2015 13:31 (eight years ago) link
anyone know who's drumming?
― niels, Friday, 25 December 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
It's not Stan Lynch?
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 December 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
I guess it must be - was that an entire tour with Petty & Heartbreakers backing Dylan?
― niels, Friday, 25 December 2015 16:46 (eight years ago) link
Not 100% sure, but obviously from that video you can see Petty and some other Heartbreakers, and I just glanced at Behind The Shades and some other books and it seems to be the case. And Stan didn't leave the band until much later.
― Die Angst des Elfmans beim Torschluss (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 25 December 2015 16:50 (eight years ago) link
SO much oPRESSioncan't keep TRACK OF IT NO MORE
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 26 February 2016 22:37 (eight years ago) link
how many 60s dinosaurs went into the 80s as cleareyed as "well i dunno which is worse / doin your own thing or just being cool"
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 26 February 2016 22:44 (eight years ago) link
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― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, February 26, 2016 4:37 PM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
this makes me of think of dylan keeping a spreadsheet of forms of oppression and needing to hire interns to update it
― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 February 2016 23:18 (eight years ago) link
for one of his list songs
― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Friday, 26 February 2016 23:24 (eight years ago) link
Doctor, can you hear me? I need some MEDICAID!!!I seen the kingdoms of the WORLD and it’s makin’ me feel afraid!!!
― tylerw, Friday, 26 February 2016 23:27 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0J3Y5s_kfo
Just stumbled over this reappearance of the Toronto 1980 show. Much improved quality!
Also, thanks to all in this thread who convinced me to revisit this so-wrongly-dismissed era.
― doug watson, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 13:48 (seven years ago) link
the sermon around the hour twenty mark and the blistering song afterwards...I just love seeing him so unjaded
― The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 15 June 2016 14:23 (seven years ago) link
yeah, such an intense performance overall. was just revisiting this early take of "caribbean wind" which isn't quite there, but is nice nonethelesshttps://vimeo.com/66756497
― tylerw, Wednesday, 15 June 2016 14:25 (seven years ago) link
http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/no-man-righteous-dylan-and-pseudoconservatism/
― j., Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link
time is forever just running out … The apocalypticism of the paranoid style runs dangerously near to hopeless pessimism, but usually stops short of it
...
a fear of the end-times quickly becomes indistinguishable from a yearning for them
the various songs yield an exhaustive, Whitmanesque catalog of villains
but enough about 60s dylan
― difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 17:54 (seven years ago) link
ew rob horning
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 October 2016 18:18 (seven years ago) link
YA HEAR THAT, ROB HORNING??!?
― j., Wednesday, 19 October 2016 00:31 (seven years ago) link
Has anyone here been discussing THE BOOTLEG SERIES VOLUME 13: TROUBLE NO MORE?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 3 January 2018 13:55 (six years ago) link
yep quite a bit in the Dylan bootleg series thread
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:15 (six years ago) link
everyone loves it and is baptised in the blood of the lambBob Dylan: The Bootleg Series
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 3 January 2018 14:17 (six years ago) link
im going to see the "trouble no more" film tonight!
― marcos, Friday, 9 March 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
jealous! i love the lord & these live albums
― It's not delivery, it's Adorno! (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 March 2018 22:38 (six years ago) link
jesus christ & bobby dylan are my reconciliation
― marcos, Friday, 9 March 2018 22:40 (six years ago) link
I DON'T CARE ABOUT ECONOMY
I DON'T CARE ABOUT ASTRONOMY
― tylerw, Friday, 9 March 2018 22:44 (six years ago) link
"Ain't No Man Righteous" is such a jam.
― o. nate, Saturday, 10 March 2018 02:38 (six years ago) link
aw man the "slow train coming" in this is MEAN
― marcos, Saturday, 10 March 2018 05:48 (six years ago) link
that and "what can I do for you" were the highlights
― marcos, Saturday, 10 March 2018 05:50 (six years ago) link
there really should be a Mavis thread, but anyway:
First, they couldn't settle on who has to sing the line "I'm so hungry I could eat a horse." "He said, 'You're going to sing it this time. I did it for you last time,' " Staples recalls. "I said, 'You didn't do it for me. It's your song!' " And with the song's seven verses, Staples, 78, had trouble getting the lyrics straight. "I asked him, 'Do you have a teleprompter?' He says" – she drops her voice to Dylan's guttural rasp – " 'I'm too cheap to buy a prompter, Mavis.' I told him, 'You can buy one for me, Bobby!' "
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/mavis-staples-second-act-bob-dylan-jeff-tweedy-w517080
― niels, Sunday, 11 March 2018 14:11 (six years ago) link
He and Staples had a fling in the Sixties, with Staples famously rejecting his marriage proposal.
If this information is “famous,” I never heard it before!
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 11 March 2018 15:56 (six years ago) link
was dylan sober from drugs and alcohol during the christian period?
― marcos, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:21 (six years ago) link
maybe for a minute, but i think he got back into it pretty quick. was just listening to the 1981 live performances on Trouble No More — really wild vocals from Dylan, like an attempt to create a whole new style for himself.
― tylerw, Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
I’ve been sleeping on this bootleg series set, but will prob’ly have to get it.... I love “Saved” and some of the other stuff from this period.
― absorbed carol channing's powers & psyche (morrisp), Sunday, 11 March 2018 23:45 (six years ago) link
Discussed this a bit on the Bootleg Series thread. I listened to almost nothing else for a month or two.
― the pinefox, Monday, 12 March 2018 16:10 (six years ago) link
― tylerw, Friday, March 9, 2018 5:44 PM (two months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― marcos, Tuesday, 15 May 2018 15:25 (six years ago) link
grain-elevators-are-burstin'
― DACA Flocka Flame (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 15 May 2018 22:26 (six years ago) link
love the Trouble No More set so much.
It's innaresting how angry and uninviting Dylan's version of xtianity is. Like, very little of it is uplifting or rapturous or thankful, a lot of it focuses on the harsh, judgmental end of things, not really the kind of angle that wins a lot of converts.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link
i always crack up during precious angel, which seems kinda like a tender love song until: "Can they imagine the darkness that will fall from on high /When men will beg God to kill them and they won't be able to die."
― tylerw, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:35 (four years ago) link
haha yeah that's a prime example
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:37 (four years ago) link
there's still humor poking through, and occasional moments of tenderness and then hey don't forget FIRE AND BRIMSTONE
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
it's esp jarring because so much 70's pop-Christianity was inclusive and liberal e.g. Godspell, the Good News Bible, the communal "Jesus movement" etc., this is the v much the Reagan-era advent of evangelism as conservatism
but fuck yeah this set kicks so much ass
― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link
yeah it does coincide w Reaganism but my memories of the 80s evangelism revival doesn't really fit Dylan either - those guys were transparent hucksters in the faith healer tradition, constantly bursting into tears and dancing and reveling in opulence and the GLORY and btw send money
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
Bakker, Swaggart, Falwell, Robertson - Dylan bears at best a passing resemblance to those clowns. To a man they projected an avuncular happiness (and venality) that Dylan doesn't go anywhere near.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
I probably said it upthread but for a Christian album I sure get cocaine vibes from Trouble No Moredef one of the best of the bootleg series, ruined me on the studio albums
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link
xp but I do think it's consistent with the liberal drift at the time though, still righteous but increasingly exclusionary and no doubt some of those SoCal yuppies hit thirty and stayed on for Ralph Reed et al
― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link
I've listened to a good number of shows from this period, and I agree with the assessment that the live performances smoke the studio recordings. When i pay more attention to the instrumentalists and the arrangements over anything else, the "Trouble No More" set is much more enjoyable than I'd expect. But eventually one's focus has to shift to the words, as well as Dylan's singing, and I can't say either helped in holding my interest. Sometimes, Dylan sounds re-invigorated in his righteous fury, but this can come on as relentless hectoring after a while. On some of the slower numbers, his voice cracks and breaks apart in a way that's cringe-inducing (see the live renditions of "I Believe in You"). And then there's the words. It's interesting to see Dylan apply the same methods he's always used in writing lyrics to Biblical sources - with each phase of his career, he mines rich new territory for material, whether it's folk songs or poetry or the Bible, and his approach to fragmenting them and fusing them back together in novel, even revelatory ways rarely fails to astonish. But the results here are pretty mixed. Quite a few lyrics, even entire verses, are not just awful but pretty offensive. Check out the title track of 'Slow Train Coming' and the verse about "Sheiks walkin' around like kings / Wearing fancy jewels and nose rings" - fortunately, Dylan dropped this from later performances, but it's there in the earlier ones. FWIW, in at least one case, it took someone else to really elevate a song or two into something truly transcendent. Sinead O'Connor's "I Believe in You" comes to mind - a beautifully fragile and moving rendition was released on one of those 'A Very Special Christmas' compilations (I think the second volume), and far more than Dylan's renditions, it's very moving to hear how religion can be a true lifeline for someone singing that song. (O'Connor's version was recorded soon after she was booed off the stage at Dylan's 30th anniversary concert, an experience that was very traumatizing. Not long after that, she attempted suicide, but even without knowing that, you get the sense she's hanging by a thread in "I Believe in You.")
― birdistheword, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
xp Dylan and those ppl were really starting to lean into the "values" stuff, anti-abortion, homophobia that would come to define evangelism
― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link