Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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A search reveals that these volumes have been mentioned all over the place, but have never had a comprehensive thread.

Since last week's compelling Dylanival and the long ILM thread about it, I have been driven back to the Bootlegs 1-3. Slowly working my way through: still only up to 'She's Your Lover Now'. But crikey, that track almost deserves a thread of its own! So thrilling to hear things come together and fall apart, piano hold steady while guitarist stops and starts again; like the 'Keep It With Mine' where the producer tells Bob to keep going.

Other big theme I wanted to raise: Great Unreleased Songs. 'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs? Why did he leave them off LPs in the first place?

So much to say. And I have not heard Vol 7 yet.

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link

search: blind willie mctell from volume 3.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link

I like the 'Albert Hall' one very much. I think the tuning up is btter than most albums. I do a 'human beatbox' version of it. I do not like the 1975 one very much, apart from the solo performances. I have hardly listened to 1964 (but it is in my bag). I haven't heard or seen the latest one (but it is in the work DVD box in non-packaged format - maybe I will borrow it to make up for my disappointment at having taken home Rocky II and Car Wash only to find they were region one). I like 1-3, but I do not have it at home at present. I like Every Grain Of Sand better than the 'proper' version, and I like the Blood On The Tracks, erm, tracks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link

I think "She's Your Lover Now" would have been the best song on Blonde on Blonde.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:20 (fourteen years ago) link

* We need: more outtakes from the Basement Tapes.

* 1st song on Vol 5/1975 should shut up forever anyone who still thinks "Dylan can't sing"

* "Wallflower" - one of his most underrated songs, David Bromberg's version is great

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link

bootleg 1-3 was actually my first exposure to dylan, since i was staying with a dylan fanatic who had just bought it, and i really flipped for it. "she's your lover now" is really fantastic... i also very much liked the really fast version of "it takes a train to laugh..."... the concert bootlegs of "mama you've been on my mind" that i've heard have always been very jaunty; did he ever play it as delicately as he did on that set? lastly, the basement outtake "santa fe" is the one i sing the most, since it's got a great melody and incoherent lyrics

dave k, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:41 (fourteen years ago) link

She's Your Lover Now and Blind Willie McTell are the stars of the Bootleg Series 1-3 box set. I'm also really partial to Nobody 'Cept You, an outtake from Planet Waves which would have been the best song on it.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't know people loved 'She's Your Lover Now' so much! I am excited.

I adore that vol 5 version of 'Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You' - track one, even using the phrase 'Rolling Thunder'. Thrills!

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:53 (fourteen years ago) link

I will isten to it again. I think there might be too many musicians, a la Concert For Bangladesh.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

On the Royal Albert Hall bootleg series, I am NOT a fan of the acoustic disc. I find it slow and just kinda overly mannered. The electric disc, however, is some of the best rock and roll ever played.

If you want to hear great acoustic Bob, you can't beat the three songs on Before the Flood: Don't Think Twice, It's Alright Ma and Just Like A Woman. All three are the best versions of those songs, and beat the piss out of the Royal Albert Hall acoustic stuff.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha yes! Before the Flood is occasionally great

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:03 (fourteen years ago) link

the bear mountain picnic song gets me everydamntime...

i'm also happy for the recently uprooted love of "shes your lover now". i about break everytime it just quits like that. Vol. 7 proves that the blonde on blonde sessions, though interesting, don't quite pack the punch of the final versions. i can't imagine what would have become of syln. the vol. 2 version is rough, but warm. b o b has a late night frosty glow. it coulda been better or worse.

the vol. 2 version of santa fe is great, better than the genuine basement tape's version....it makes you need to belt along with it.

i've gone on week long binges with each of the live records. Rolling Thunder got me to like "The Hurricane". The "It's Alright Ma" from 1964 brought back the almost crushing power of that song for me. And I still get chills with the 66 version of "Like A Rolling Stone".

all said, i love this series. i think it provides a brilliant look into how grand the dylan universe is.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:04 (fourteen years ago) link

The '80s stuff on the first Bootleg comp is first-rate. "Blind Willie McTell," "Caribbean Wind," the E Street Band-performed version of "When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky" are some of his greatest songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:09 (fourteen years ago) link

Don't forget about Biograph:
"And I went back to find Isis just to tell 'er I love ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

Old School (sexyDancer), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:12 (fourteen years ago) link

re: the 1966 acoustic sets--I beg to differ. Those are among my favorite Dylan recordings of all time. So slow, sad and beautiful. I think Dylan's really digging deep--losing himself completely in the songs. He often sounds so otherworldy and lonely that it's a shock when the applause comes after the songs end. In its own way, I think those sets are just as radical as the electric set (which I also loooooove). And there's some of the wildest harmonica work of the man's career--check out the long excursion he takes at the end of Tambourine Man. I can dig the Before the Flood stuff, but it's a little bit too amped up for my tastes.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:19 (fourteen years ago) link

As far as acoustic live Dylan goes, I've always loved his vocal on "Just Like a Woman" from Bangladesh. He sings his guts out.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (fourteen years ago) link

how is that Gaslight performance that was just released?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link

what i want to know is why "can you please crawl out your window", the glockenspiel version, was never released or used in the doc. it's easily in my top 5 dylan songs--as exuberant as live 65.

naturemorte, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Crikey, yes, Urgent & Key: that was a 45 - but I'm afraid I have never heard it in my life, not that I can remember. What does it sound like?

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the 1964 disc (vol 6). Dylan sounds so eager to entertain his audience, as opposed to the bitter stance he took during the next two years (both sides of him were captured so well in the Scorcese doc). He sings his guts out on songs like "Who Killed Davey Moore" and "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" with power that I didn't know he had in him before I heard this record.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?

dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:33 (fourteen years ago) link

One night I discovered something totally insane. If you have the DVD disc that came with the Rolling Thunder volume then play Isis. When you see the part when the sweaty guitarist's eyes are all bulging from cocaine and he tries to bite Dylan's left-hand fingers, back it up a bit and play it in slow motion. That whole fucking weird scene played in slo-mo is truly mesmerizing and a bit disturbing.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Joan Baez put out "FA" first I think, and she made it famous.

I've had the the first box for a few years and been meaning to pick up vols. 4-7. Some faves from it that haven't been mentioned much:

Seven Curses (I'm sucker for mystical revenge/stolen virginity/evil lawmen/wronged man folklore stuff)
Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence ("She's turnin' me into an old man/and man, I ain't even 25!")
If Not For You (It's prettier than the official version)
Nobody 'Cept You (Good call kornrulez)
Seven Days (Since i dig this and the rolling thunder biograph tracks, how urgent is it for me to pick up Vol.5? And also is the 1st version w/the dvd worth tracking down?)
Foot of Pride (The homesick blues, nearly 20 years of schoolin' later, and still on the day shift)
Tell Me (Bob can do Pop)

Xpost
thanks for answering my question before I posted it. that sounds cool.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?
dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), October 6th, 2005.

Most notably and beautifully by Rod Stewart.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:18 (fourteen years ago) link

Another good one from The Bootleg Series box is the demo of Every Grain of Sand, which I prefer to the Shot of Love version...much more intimate without the Bobettes.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:23 (fourteen years ago) link

Barking dog!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway, and the 2nd disc has a lot of great alternate versions of album tracks, that first disc is very worthwhile; in fact, over the last 5 years, I've probably listened to that first disc more than anything else Dylan-related.

1st Disc Standouts:
"Hard Times in New York Town"
"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)
"Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues"
"Rambling, Gambling Willie"
"Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues"
"Who Killed Davey Moore?"
"Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie" (if for nothing else, those ending lines:

"You'll find God in the church of your choice
You'll find Woody Guthrie in Brooklyn State Hospital

And though it's only my opinion
I may be right or wrong
You'll find them both
In the Grand Canyon
At sundown"

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.

Taylor, Friday, 7 October 2005 01:51 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost "his publisher made sure": yes, pinefox, his "Mama You Been On My Mind" and a bunch of other demos were sent around by the publisher, so Fairport took "Percy's Song" and others, and the whole Lo & Behold album, by Dean Coulson, McGuiness, Flint, and others, was from publisher's demos, I think, or most of it, anyway. Seems like the Brits jumped on more of the prime goodies than Americans did,initially, although of course Baez did a double-LP of his stuff soon enough (Any Day Now, right?)There were a couple of LPs of demos issued by the old TMQ (Trademark of Quality, with a pig-rubber-stamp as trademark) booters, although mostly they did comps from various sources too (So "Mama" and other demos are with Minnesota apartment tapes, Basement Tapes, Isle of Wight, etc. on the VD Waltz comp; I've never heard a whole album of demos, alas.)In some cases, it was a matter of just having too much stuff, not wanting to flood the market, and/or what he did last month too different from this month's, and this month, it's time for an album! Then in 70s, not wanting the 60s overflow to wash away the later stuff; plus, when he finally did a legit version of Basement Tapes, and it did well, he was surprised:"I thought everybody already had that!" The boots were popular and well-enough known, he prb thought legit issues would increase pressure by being seen as potboilers, at that point, even f they didn't upstage, so either way, they were a problem, until he needed the money and the cred bad enough, and had by that time become enough of a Historical Landmark that the Bootleg Series seemed only right and proper. Thing is, though, hearing the tracks left off the 70s-80s stuff, in favor of some of the crappier items that did make the cut, really show how unsure of himself he can be, for all the Bardic charisma, etc. So, in that respect, the songs of his fabled past are *still* a problem for his sense of credibility, which is why they've been so carefully rationed (still tons of things; it'll be like Hendrix and Trane and Miles issues, only moreso, cause more songs, not just 9000 versions of 900 songs)But basically, questions of judgement/crediblity are part of his history too, not so much of an issue (if he makes another bad album, and he will, big deal, cos the song-suply'll never end, til the world does, and when it does, his stuff will spill over to somewhere:the good, bad, great, and meh;I can see it, the probability of that now, even while this thought ends.)

don, Friday, 7 October 2005 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Regarding "She's Your Lover Now," the Dylan Scrapbook released in conjuction with No Direction Home has a lyric sheet for that tune. I'm not sure if the sheet is made to look authentic, or if it's a replica of the original, but the lyrics end where the song on the second Bootleg disc ends.
I always had the impression that the wheels just fell off, and that the song was meant to be longer.

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:31 (fourteen years ago) link

"you, you just sit around and ask for ashtrays... can't you REACH?"

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:41 (fourteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:56 (fourteen years ago) link

It is Don't Look Back that is in the box at the work where we work, not No Direction Home. I watched a couple of minutes last night before deciding that it was best to wait till my karma had reached its optimum level and then watch it.

Listened to some Live 64, did not think much of it really. But I shall persevere.

Crawl Out Your Window is on Biograph, I think, Pinefox. Should you wish, I could copy it for you when I rescue it from "storage". I also have a J. Hendrix version recorded for the BBC Light Programme.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah crawl out your window is on biograph but it's a a sub-par version--i'm talking specifically about the glockenspiel version. the one on biograph is a little laid-back, but the glockenspiel version is really energetic and crazy. when he launches into the third chorus he does one of those soulful nasal whines that only dylan can do.

glockenspiel!

naturemorte, Friday, 7 October 2005 07:37 (fourteen years ago) link

"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)

It's a cover - it's a ridiculously old trad song. A great version is on Harry Smiths' Anthology of American Folk Music.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:38 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't know the glockenspiel version.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:45 (fourteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

seconded; amazing song/performance, totally spellbinding

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway

Madness. I can't really say if it's the best disc but it's definitely the one I've listened to most. 'Foot of Pride','Every Grain', 'Blind Willie McT', 'Angelina', 'Seven Days' = throwaway??

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:04 (fourteen years ago) link

"Well, God is in heaven
And we all want what's his
But power and greed and corruptible seed
Seem to be all that there is"

So classsssssic.
Also turned me on to "St James Infirmary", from which the melody is lifted. Checl out Bobby Blue Bland's version if you have the chance.

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:06 (fourteen years ago) link

crawl out your window is great, indeed ! (and yeah, the glockenspiel version is best).
it's easily amongst my favorite bob's trax.
guess i'm ready to grab the latest bootleg series now !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I almost started this thread myself after doing a search for it last week! Surprised one did not exist til now, thx for starting.

Vol. 1-3 I heard before a lot of the albums, and it's the thing that made me obsessive about Dylan. Had a 90 cassette of tracks, mostly discs 1 & 2, that I completely wore out that summer and beyond. It started with "Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie". Upon hearing the original version of say "If Not For You" without the "Ready George?" and a certain wobbly reckless energy of a lot of the tracks on 1-3, the originals sounded rather polished or staid. "Santa Fe" is another good example. Even "Idiot Wind" at the end of Vol. 2 is more biting and mean than the album vers.

Vol. 4 opened my eyes in a big way to the pre-'66 material, as I'm sure it did for a lot of people. I actually prefer disc 1, particularly the devestatingly sad "Desolation Row" and Dylan's expressive harp playing thoughout. Almost like he's testing the audience with his harp playing, similar in aggression to part 2 "Play it fucking loud". I find the guitar playing on disc 1 tattered, like he means it, it all fits the mood nicely.

Vol. 5 I bought when it came out and only listened a handful of times. Need to return to it. I remember it sounding very punk rock, though.

Vol. 6 is the 1964 disc, right? Never bought that.

Vol. 7 don't have yet.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link

about she's your lover now--i thought the scrapbook lyrics sheet was weird too--because there IS a last verse. He sings it on the solo piano outtake of the song--which has yet to see official release. anyone who loves that song oughtta seek it out, though. it's incredible--extremely slow and wasted-sounding. with the release of the latest bootleg series, this is probably the major remaining outtake to remain officially unreleased.

but anyway, i love the bootleg series' one and all, but part of me wishes that Dylan (or Columbia) would do like Elvis Costello and just reissue the albums each with a bonus disc of outtakes/live stuff/etc. Of course they just did that big SACD reissue series a few years ago, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:10 (fourteen years ago) link

Seek out: Lou Reed's cover of "Foot of Pride."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

Ah, there are two ways of doing this: a "Bootleg" series, and 'extra disc'..

The fall reissues have an extra disc, but as they mostly have Peel sessions, they are pointless if you have that "Ah, the Fall Peel Sessions box set, you guys" set.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:16 (fourteen years ago) link

curious about that she's your lover now piano outtake...
there's another "song" i've been wondering about : it's a tune he plays on accoustic guitar at the end of "eat the document".
is this a proper song ? a demo ? a cover ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:22 (fourteen years ago) link

that's "i can't leave her behind". as far as i know, that's the only recording of the song. but it's amazing--vocally one of Dylan's most tender moments. You can get an mp3 of that (and the she's your lover now outtake and a whole bunch more) at http://members.aol.com/eggrert1/mp3.html.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:38 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah, his singing, the melody, the guitar playing... beautiful indeed. so it's a song of his, then ? incredible that didn't get released !?
anyway, thanks !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:08 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah it's one of his. the story goes that him and Robbie Robertson would stay up all night on the 1966 UK tour writing dozens of new songs--and then the next day neither one could remember them.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I am still working my way through 1-3 in order. Slowly. I am now halfway through 'You Changed My Life'.

Latest discoveries:

'Tangled Up In Blue' - a centrepiece of the set to me when I first heard it - is it in E, and the LP version in G?

'Call Letter Blues' is doing more for me than before: some poignancy in the words.

I have never loved 'Idiot Wind' but am now impressed by the relative tenderness of this (NYC?) version as vs the LP.

The bootleg 'If You See Her' is a lot better than the LP's, surely.

Is 'Golden Loom' the first time Bob and Emmylou H sang together? Assuming it's her.

It's funny how that is country, then 'Catfish' is blues. I have always thought 'Catfish' kind of unimportant, but actually I like the depth of its sound, the reverb around those slides and harmonicas.

Is the barking dog the reason that this 'Every Grain of Sand' was not used? I like this song a lot considering that it's religious.

The whole set is an amazing way to take a rapid-fire time-tour through Dylan's career, hearing the flavour of one year (those Desirous violins) for a track or two before the next sound comes along.

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:34 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, yes - 'Nobody 'Cept You' IS good, isn't it: oddly it sounds to me like the Rolling Thunder sound, though it predates it.

Unlike PJM, I like Live 1964 a lot.

This glockenspiel rumour remains mysterious to me.

But christ, so many great things: 'Barbed Wire Fence', 'Train To Cry', '... Go Now' on bootleg 2. Peerless!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:37 (fourteen years ago) link

like why would I care about that doofus' musical opinions

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 June 2019 16:30 (four months ago) link

srsly

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:38 (four months ago) link

for those that got the mondo box set -- VG did...assuming tylerw did?

is it worth it?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:08 (four months ago) link

I haven't ripped the CDs or watched the doc yet, just thumbed through the book

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 June 2019 17:09 (four months ago) link

you talking about the Rolling Thunder set or the gospel set ums?

tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 17:17 (four months ago) link

I have it digitally and have so far listened only to the three rehearsal disks, the "rare versions" and the Montreal show

tbh I'm a little disappointed in the rehearsals...they don't touch the Rundown rehearsals from a few years later. It seems like this band's gretest asset was *energy* and to hear these songs arranged for Dylan's shouty voice but without a lot of gusto...eh. I don't know maybe they'll grow on me.

The Montreal show is extraordinary.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:02 (four months ago) link

xpost the new rolling thunder box

I have the 2cd Trouble No More

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:06 (four months ago) link

counterpoint — i think the rehearsals are awesome! especially the first disc ... pretty amazing that they were only a week or so away from the first show.

tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 19:42 (four months ago) link

I need that jaunty Simple Twist of Fate from the mahjong parlor. Incredible!

Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:52 (four months ago) link

yeah that was amazing

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:53 (four months ago) link

it's on disc 14

tylerw, Monday, 17 June 2019 19:55 (four months ago) link

I know, but I’m kind of all in on vinyl right now.

Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Monday, 17 June 2019 20:02 (four months ago) link

I'm genuinely considering the RTR box. It's about 45 euros and I think I'd like to dip into the different shows

Duke, Monday, 17 June 2019 21:03 (four months ago) link

next up: Johnny Cash Wesley Harding Skyline!

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/bob-dylan-bootleg-series-update-nashville-849134/

Unlike recent Bootleg Series packages that compiled every song in the vaults from key albums Blood on the Tracks, The Basement Tapes, Bringing It All Back Home, Highway 61 Revisited and Blonde on Blonde, this new set will only contain select tracks from the sessions. “I think we did repeat versions of songs to death on The Cutting Edge,” says the source. “We’re trying to find one really good takes of each song. The giant dumps of everything like we’ve done in recent years really aren’t my preference. I like stuff that is more curated.”

This seems like a good idea. Somehow I doubt there are revelations buried in the rehearsal sessions for "Country Pie."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 14:14 (four months ago) link

So, this won't get a deluxe box version? A bit like the Whitmark demos, then..

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 14:59 (four months ago) link

...or any of the sets prior to, what, Vol. 11(?)

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:05 (four months ago) link

Nice - this one I'm really looking forward to, esp the JWH stuff.

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:15 (four months ago) link

interesting to hear what they dig up there — plenty of the period was on Another Self Portrait. The Cash stuff is not great. John Wesley Harding outtakes are the most interesting ...

tylerw, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:16 (four months ago) link

agreed

but man I would LOVE to hear Infidels and Empire Burlesque dried out and remixed + outtakes

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:35 (four months ago) link

that (and the time out of mind sessions) seem more exciting, but maybe they can't resist the press that a collab w/ Johnny Cash will generate ... even if that collab kinda sucks. (though maybe there's better stuff than what has already circulated?)

tylerw, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:41 (four months ago) link

I'm sure and I guess also there's no hurry on the copyright front to get that 80s stuff out

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:43 (four months ago) link

I hope the Dylan camp doesn't think Time Out Of Mind was "already covered" by Tell Tale Signs; that set really needs to be expanded into a box each for Time, "Love and Theft", and Modern Times (the latter I would particularly love to hear).

xp

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 15:45 (four months ago) link

Bought the RTR box. I've skimmed the 3 rehearsals discs and they seem unnecessary. Poor quality and ramshackle. Looking forward to the 5 full concerts. So it's 60 euros for 10 discs of five gigs. Not a massive bargain but an ok price.

Duke, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:38 (four months ago) link

I need that jaunty Simple Twist of Fate from the mahjong parlor. Incredible!

― Rolling Thunderdome Revue (PBKR), Monday, June 17, 2019 3:52 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is so amazing, I played this a dozen times today...it's a shame the mix is p much just voice+drums

also the Hattie Caroll on that Montreal show is thrilling

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:52 (four months ago) link

Still dying to hear the rest of the 20+ songs that skookum band recorded for Masked and Anonymous.

Una Palooka Dronka (hardcore dilettante), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 04:34 (four months ago) link

Trouble No More film/live footage DVD is surprisingly entertaining, that was really a great band he had on those tours

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:32 (four months ago) link

Hackett had such a funny 70s-Lit-professor-turned-lead guitarist vibe, did he ever perform w leather elbow patches

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 17:57 (four months ago) link

ha yes the robert quine of that band

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 19:11 (four months ago) link

xxxposts
Seconded for Infidels.
Especially since it's well known that the released version of the album was rushed and unfinished.
I have made my own version of the album, basically removing the "rock" stuff and replacing them with some of the songs that were cut out.
It's pretty good (for a Dylan 80s album !).

AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, 20 June 2019 08:39 (four months ago) link

There’s an (actual) bootleg of Infidels outtakes called Rough Cuts that you can get, if they never release that stuff officially.

Consider the coconut (morrisp), Thursday, 20 June 2019 13:27 (four months ago) link

are y'all taking about the movie on some thread I can't find?

just finished watching last night, so cool

sleeve, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:43 (four months ago) link

Over here: Scorsese's movie about Dylan

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:45 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Looking forward to the JWH outtakes

Duke, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:47 (one month ago) link

yeah, that early version of "Immigrant" they've posted is great ... almost a completely different melody/approach. the Cash stuff I've heard is ehhh, but oh well.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:49 (one month ago) link

Yes, I don't care about the Cash material

Duke, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:50 (one month ago) link

I'm gonna get this one for sure... Nashville Skyline is one of the few "classic" Dylan albums that I've never owned (only heard it once or twice); and I feel like I've never appreciated JWH enough, maybe this will give me a different way into it.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:50 (one month ago) link

Me neither but JWH outtakes are like a holy grail

Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:51 (one month ago) link

From today's Rolling Stone update on this (says don't expect too much from JWH outtakes btw):

Future plans for the Bootleg Series are unclear, but a Time Out of Mind set and one that chronicles Dylan’s pre-fame folk period in Minnesota and New York are both in contention. “We’ve collected all these early tapes of him like the Minnesota Hotel Tapes and all the tapes that Tony Glover recorded,” says the source. “We have all these things in beautiful quality along with the Town Hall concert [in 1963] and the Carnegie Hall concert [in 1963]. Some day we’ll put these all together and put them out, but it’s not like people are clamoring for it. There are probably a few other areas to explore before that.”

There are no immediate plans to end the Bootleg Series, but the steep decline in the market for physical product does put its future in some jeopardy. “We have to also see how long people keep buying these things,” says the source. “We’ll see what happens. Right now, there’s a certain amount of physical that still gets sold, so we’d like to keep doing them.”

dow, Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:55 (one month ago) link

Looking forward to this one and I'm glad it's a reasonably sized/priced entry and not some 18-disc behemoth.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 September 2019 17:59 (one month ago) link

haha:
"We had to include ‘All Along the Watchtower,’ but it’s not like ‘All Along the Watchtower’ cha-cha or anything."

a few years back i wrote:

The masterful John Wesley Harding LP was recorded (and written, if Dylan is to be believed) in a matter of days in late 1967. It stands virtually alone among the songwriter's albums in that collectors have never been able to get ahold of any session outtakes or alternates. But they exist—and someone's heard them. "I heard a couple of alternate takes of 'All Along The Watchtower' that were, to me as a fan, just incredible," Michael Chaiken, the curator of the recently announced Dylan archive in Tulsa, teased Rolling Stone. Do these alternate "Watchtower"s include previously unknown lyrics? A distorted rave-up? A salsa-inflected arrangement? Time will tell... hopefully.

tylerw, Thursday, 19 September 2019 18:01 (one month ago) link

xxp I appreciate the straightforward / no-B.S. nature of those remarks from the Sony(?) rep.

#YABASIC (morrisp), Thursday, 19 September 2019 18:02 (one month ago) link

Jerry Garcia once helpfully explained to a Rolling Stone interviewer, "Acid music is whatever music you take acid to," and for me that was JWH, more than any other. It still plays itself in my head without warning, as my thots curl around it. So yes please, I'd like a little more. However, the Cash sessions are probably going to tip the scales for me, towards outright purchase.

dow, Friday, 20 September 2019 05:50 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Any thoughts on the new one? On first listen now. The JWH and NS outtakes are mildly interesting, and may grow on me. I'm half way thru the second disc of Cash sessions and reckon I don't need to listen to them more than this first time.

Duke, Friday, 1 November 2019 19:54 (two weeks ago) link

This may be the first BS I regret buying. Let's see.

Duke, Friday, 1 November 2019 20:13 (two weeks ago) link

Just listened to the whole thing, which is totally worth it (I paid full, reasonable price). True, nothing is revealed by the JWH alts, other than that the ones that made the cut were better, finding their own taut groove (these are mostly slower, simpler, except "Immigrant," which is too fast, kinda smarty-pants, works better as obsessive dirge of nosy semi-sympathetic neighbor). But even those sound good, as recorded and performed. Wotta trio! We knew that, but still.
They and added colleagues (carefully selected for affinity with the artist, not just the auto-A List cats, according to Colin Escott's ever-incisive notes)roll right through the Skyline sessions---been so many years since I listened to the finished product, but seem to recall being attracted to most of the songs right away, while finding the execution, at least in the mix, a bit too on-the-nose and sanitized (also Dylan's new-found per se country poise seemed self-conscious, and not much like the yowly country sounds he'd become known for in the beginning, incl among the suits; Escott deals with all that too)
Haven't done any comparative listening, but these takes work on their own, all earthy and fluid and good-humored, yet no screwing around, incl. with the point of the lyric. Just not too much formalism.
Ditto the even more freewheeling sessions with Cash, but they're finding grooves, establishing an in-person, in-the-moment rapport after years of listening to each other's records over and over (Escott says that Cash's early advocacy may have kept the not-terribly-well-selling Bobby on Columbia)
They get several tracks pretty much nailed down, at least vocally; further evidence that they were thinking in terms of an album, exploring the possibilities.
Good BD x Skyline sessioneers performances from The Johnny Cash show, especially the finale, "Girl From The North Country, with their host strong as ever on here (and I like the way his and Dylan's voices are always attentively co-existent, never blending).
Would not have guessed that "To Be Alone With You" (which sounds more Charlie Rich shufflin'-with-some-barbecue" than Jerry Lee among the other Skyline alts) would also show up in a visit with Earl Scruggs and sons but it works fine, as does "Honey Just Allow Me One More Chance" and "Nashville Skyline Rag."
Oh yeah, and there are a couple of Cash covers from the Self-Portrait sessions, way sassy and way too good for the release.

dow, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 03:51 (one week ago) link

"at least vocally"--but Carl Perkins and Cash's other regulars of that era are always on it too.

dow, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 04:00 (one week ago) link

the new version of country pie is a revelation

kornrulez6969, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:32 (one week ago) link

!

budo jeru, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 15:50 (one week ago) link

Cash certainly had a lot more freedom being an Columbia than he would have had on Decca or RCA, which would have been true for other artists on the label as well. Although Aretha seems to have been an exception or a counterexample.

Irae Louvin (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 17:08 (one week ago) link


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