Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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A search reveals that these volumes have been mentioned all over the place, but have never had a comprehensive thread.

Since last week's compelling Dylanival and the long ILM thread about it, I have been driven back to the Bootlegs 1-3. Slowly working my way through: still only up to 'She's Your Lover Now'. But crikey, that track almost deserves a thread of its own! So thrilling to hear things come together and fall apart, piano hold steady while guitarist stops and starts again; like the 'Keep It With Mine' where the producer tells Bob to keep going.

Other big theme I wanted to raise: Great Unreleased Songs. 'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs? Why did he leave them off LPs in the first place?

So much to say. And I have not heard Vol 7 yet.

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

search: blind willie mctell from volume 3.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the 'Albert Hall' one very much. I think the tuning up is btter than most albums. I do a 'human beatbox' version of it. I do not like the 1975 one very much, apart from the solo performances. I have hardly listened to 1964 (but it is in my bag). I haven't heard or seen the latest one (but it is in the work DVD box in non-packaged format - maybe I will borrow it to make up for my disappointment at having taken home Rocky II and Car Wash only to find they were region one). I like 1-3, but I do not have it at home at present. I like Every Grain Of Sand better than the 'proper' version, and I like the Blood On The Tracks, erm, tracks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I think "She's Your Lover Now" would have been the best song on Blonde on Blonde.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

* We need: more outtakes from the Basement Tapes.

* 1st song on Vol 5/1975 should shut up forever anyone who still thinks "Dylan can't sing"

* "Wallflower" - one of his most underrated songs, David Bromberg's version is great

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

bootleg 1-3 was actually my first exposure to dylan, since i was staying with a dylan fanatic who had just bought it, and i really flipped for it. "she's your lover now" is really fantastic... i also very much liked the really fast version of "it takes a train to laugh..."... the concert bootlegs of "mama you've been on my mind" that i've heard have always been very jaunty; did he ever play it as delicately as he did on that set? lastly, the basement outtake "santa fe" is the one i sing the most, since it's got a great melody and incoherent lyrics

dave k, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

She's Your Lover Now and Blind Willie McTell are the stars of the Bootleg Series 1-3 box set. I'm also really partial to Nobody 'Cept You, an outtake from Planet Waves which would have been the best song on it.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I didn't know people loved 'She's Your Lover Now' so much! I am excited.

I adore that vol 5 version of 'Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You' - track one, even using the phrase 'Rolling Thunder'. Thrills!

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I will isten to it again. I think there might be too many musicians, a la Concert For Bangladesh.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

On the Royal Albert Hall bootleg series, I am NOT a fan of the acoustic disc. I find it slow and just kinda overly mannered. The electric disc, however, is some of the best rock and roll ever played.

If you want to hear great acoustic Bob, you can't beat the three songs on Before the Flood: Don't Think Twice, It's Alright Ma and Just Like A Woman. All three are the best versions of those songs, and beat the piss out of the Royal Albert Hall acoustic stuff.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha yes! Before the Flood is occasionally great

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link

the bear mountain picnic song gets me everydamntime...

i'm also happy for the recently uprooted love of "shes your lover now". i about break everytime it just quits like that. Vol. 7 proves that the blonde on blonde sessions, though interesting, don't quite pack the punch of the final versions. i can't imagine what would have become of syln. the vol. 2 version is rough, but warm. b o b has a late night frosty glow. it coulda been better or worse.

the vol. 2 version of santa fe is great, better than the genuine basement tape's version....it makes you need to belt along with it.

i've gone on week long binges with each of the live records. Rolling Thunder got me to like "The Hurricane". The "It's Alright Ma" from 1964 brought back the almost crushing power of that song for me. And I still get chills with the 66 version of "Like A Rolling Stone".

all said, i love this series. i think it provides a brilliant look into how grand the dylan universe is.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link

The '80s stuff on the first Bootleg comp is first-rate. "Blind Willie McTell," "Caribbean Wind," the E Street Band-performed version of "When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky" are some of his greatest songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't forget about Biograph:
"And I went back to find Isis just to tell 'er I love ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

Old School (sexyDancer), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link

re: the 1966 acoustic sets--I beg to differ. Those are among my favorite Dylan recordings of all time. So slow, sad and beautiful. I think Dylan's really digging deep--losing himself completely in the songs. He often sounds so otherworldy and lonely that it's a shock when the applause comes after the songs end. In its own way, I think those sets are just as radical as the electric set (which I also loooooove). And there's some of the wildest harmonica work of the man's career--check out the long excursion he takes at the end of Tambourine Man. I can dig the Before the Flood stuff, but it's a little bit too amped up for my tastes.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link

As far as acoustic live Dylan goes, I've always loved his vocal on "Just Like a Woman" from Bangladesh. He sings his guts out.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

how is that Gaslight performance that was just released?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

what i want to know is why "can you please crawl out your window", the glockenspiel version, was never released or used in the doc. it's easily in my top 5 dylan songs--as exuberant as live 65.

naturemorte, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Crikey, yes, Urgent & Key: that was a 45 - but I'm afraid I have never heard it in my life, not that I can remember. What does it sound like?

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I love the 1964 disc (vol 6). Dylan sounds so eager to entertain his audience, as opposed to the bitter stance he took during the next two years (both sides of him were captured so well in the Scorcese doc). He sings his guts out on songs like "Who Killed Davey Moore" and "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" with power that I didn't know he had in him before I heard this record.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?

dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

One night I discovered something totally insane. If you have the DVD disc that came with the Rolling Thunder volume then play Isis. When you see the part when the sweaty guitarist's eyes are all bulging from cocaine and he tries to bite Dylan's left-hand fingers, back it up a bit and play it in slow motion. That whole fucking weird scene played in slo-mo is truly mesmerizing and a bit disturbing.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Joan Baez put out "FA" first I think, and she made it famous.

I've had the the first box for a few years and been meaning to pick up vols. 4-7. Some faves from it that haven't been mentioned much:

Seven Curses (I'm sucker for mystical revenge/stolen virginity/evil lawmen/wronged man folklore stuff)
Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence ("She's turnin' me into an old man/and man, I ain't even 25!")
If Not For You (It's prettier than the official version)
Nobody 'Cept You (Good call kornrulez)
Seven Days (Since i dig this and the rolling thunder biograph tracks, how urgent is it for me to pick up Vol.5? And also is the 1st version w/the dvd worth tracking down?)
Foot of Pride (The homesick blues, nearly 20 years of schoolin' later, and still on the day shift)
Tell Me (Bob can do Pop)

Xpost
thanks for answering my question before I posted it. that sounds cool.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?
dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), October 6th, 2005.

Most notably and beautifully by Rod Stewart.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Another good one from The Bootleg Series box is the demo of Every Grain of Sand, which I prefer to the Shot of Love version...much more intimate without the Bobettes.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Barking dog!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway, and the 2nd disc has a lot of great alternate versions of album tracks, that first disc is very worthwhile; in fact, over the last 5 years, I've probably listened to that first disc more than anything else Dylan-related.

1st Disc Standouts:
"Hard Times in New York Town"
"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)
"Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues"
"Rambling, Gambling Willie"
"Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues"
"Who Killed Davey Moore?"
"Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie" (if for nothing else, those ending lines:

"You'll find God in the church of your choice
You'll find Woody Guthrie in Brooklyn State Hospital

And though it's only my opinion
I may be right or wrong
You'll find them both
In the Grand Canyon
At sundown"

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.

Taylor, Friday, 7 October 2005 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost "his publisher made sure": yes, pinefox, his "Mama You Been On My Mind" and a bunch of other demos were sent around by the publisher, so Fairport took "Percy's Song" and others, and the whole Lo & Behold album, by Dean Coulson, McGuiness, Flint, and others, was from publisher's demos, I think, or most of it, anyway. Seems like the Brits jumped on more of the prime goodies than Americans did,initially, although of course Baez did a double-LP of his stuff soon enough (Any Day Now, right?)There were a couple of LPs of demos issued by the old TMQ (Trademark of Quality, with a pig-rubber-stamp as trademark) booters, although mostly they did comps from various sources too (So "Mama" and other demos are with Minnesota apartment tapes, Basement Tapes, Isle of Wight, etc. on the VD Waltz comp; I've never heard a whole album of demos, alas.)In some cases, it was a matter of just having too much stuff, not wanting to flood the market, and/or what he did last month too different from this month's, and this month, it's time for an album! Then in 70s, not wanting the 60s overflow to wash away the later stuff; plus, when he finally did a legit version of Basement Tapes, and it did well, he was surprised:"I thought everybody already had that!" The boots were popular and well-enough known, he prb thought legit issues would increase pressure by being seen as potboilers, at that point, even f they didn't upstage, so either way, they were a problem, until he needed the money and the cred bad enough, and had by that time become enough of a Historical Landmark that the Bootleg Series seemed only right and proper. Thing is, though, hearing the tracks left off the 70s-80s stuff, in favor of some of the crappier items that did make the cut, really show how unsure of himself he can be, for all the Bardic charisma, etc. So, in that respect, the songs of his fabled past are *still* a problem for his sense of credibility, which is why they've been so carefully rationed (still tons of things; it'll be like Hendrix and Trane and Miles issues, only moreso, cause more songs, not just 9000 versions of 900 songs)But basically, questions of judgement/crediblity are part of his history too, not so much of an issue (if he makes another bad album, and he will, big deal, cos the song-suply'll never end, til the world does, and when it does, his stuff will spill over to somewhere:the good, bad, great, and meh;I can see it, the probability of that now, even while this thought ends.)

don, Friday, 7 October 2005 02:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Regarding "She's Your Lover Now," the Dylan Scrapbook released in conjuction with No Direction Home has a lyric sheet for that tune. I'm not sure if the sheet is made to look authentic, or if it's a replica of the original, but the lyrics end where the song on the second Bootleg disc ends.
I always had the impression that the wheels just fell off, and that the song was meant to be longer.

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link

"you, you just sit around and ask for ashtrays... can't you REACH?"

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:41 (fifteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:56 (fifteen years ago) link

It is Don't Look Back that is in the box at the work where we work, not No Direction Home. I watched a couple of minutes last night before deciding that it was best to wait till my karma had reached its optimum level and then watch it.

Listened to some Live 64, did not think much of it really. But I shall persevere.

Crawl Out Your Window is on Biograph, I think, Pinefox. Should you wish, I could copy it for you when I rescue it from "storage". I also have a J. Hendrix version recorded for the BBC Light Programme.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:06 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah crawl out your window is on biograph but it's a a sub-par version--i'm talking specifically about the glockenspiel version. the one on biograph is a little laid-back, but the glockenspiel version is really energetic and crazy. when he launches into the third chorus he does one of those soulful nasal whines that only dylan can do.

glockenspiel!

naturemorte, Friday, 7 October 2005 07:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)

It's a cover - it's a ridiculously old trad song. A great version is on Harry Smiths' Anthology of American Folk Music.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know the glockenspiel version.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:45 (fifteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

seconded; amazing song/performance, totally spellbinding

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway

Madness. I can't really say if it's the best disc but it's definitely the one I've listened to most. 'Foot of Pride','Every Grain', 'Blind Willie McT', 'Angelina', 'Seven Days' = throwaway??

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"Well, God is in heaven
And we all want what's his
But power and greed and corruptible seed
Seem to be all that there is"

So classsssssic.
Also turned me on to "St James Infirmary", from which the melody is lifted. Checl out Bobby Blue Bland's version if you have the chance.

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:06 (fifteen years ago) link

crawl out your window is great, indeed ! (and yeah, the glockenspiel version is best).
it's easily amongst my favorite bob's trax.
guess i'm ready to grab the latest bootleg series now !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I almost started this thread myself after doing a search for it last week! Surprised one did not exist til now, thx for starting.

Vol. 1-3 I heard before a lot of the albums, and it's the thing that made me obsessive about Dylan. Had a 90 cassette of tracks, mostly discs 1 & 2, that I completely wore out that summer and beyond. It started with "Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie". Upon hearing the original version of say "If Not For You" without the "Ready George?" and a certain wobbly reckless energy of a lot of the tracks on 1-3, the originals sounded rather polished or staid. "Santa Fe" is another good example. Even "Idiot Wind" at the end of Vol. 2 is more biting and mean than the album vers.

Vol. 4 opened my eyes in a big way to the pre-'66 material, as I'm sure it did for a lot of people. I actually prefer disc 1, particularly the devestatingly sad "Desolation Row" and Dylan's expressive harp playing thoughout. Almost like he's testing the audience with his harp playing, similar in aggression to part 2 "Play it fucking loud". I find the guitar playing on disc 1 tattered, like he means it, it all fits the mood nicely.

Vol. 5 I bought when it came out and only listened a handful of times. Need to return to it. I remember it sounding very punk rock, though.

Vol. 6 is the 1964 disc, right? Never bought that.

Vol. 7 don't have yet.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link

about she's your lover now--i thought the scrapbook lyrics sheet was weird too--because there IS a last verse. He sings it on the solo piano outtake of the song--which has yet to see official release. anyone who loves that song oughtta seek it out, though. it's incredible--extremely slow and wasted-sounding. with the release of the latest bootleg series, this is probably the major remaining outtake to remain officially unreleased.

but anyway, i love the bootleg series' one and all, but part of me wishes that Dylan (or Columbia) would do like Elvis Costello and just reissue the albums each with a bonus disc of outtakes/live stuff/etc. Of course they just did that big SACD reissue series a few years ago, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Seek out: Lou Reed's cover of "Foot of Pride."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Ah, there are two ways of doing this: a "Bootleg" series, and 'extra disc'..

The fall reissues have an extra disc, but as they mostly have Peel sessions, they are pointless if you have that "Ah, the Fall Peel Sessions box set, you guys" set.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

curious about that she's your lover now piano outtake...
there's another "song" i've been wondering about : it's a tune he plays on accoustic guitar at the end of "eat the document".
is this a proper song ? a demo ? a cover ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link

that's "i can't leave her behind". as far as i know, that's the only recording of the song. but it's amazing--vocally one of Dylan's most tender moments. You can get an mp3 of that (and the she's your lover now outtake and a whole bunch more) at http://members.aol.com/eggrert1/mp3.html.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, his singing, the melody, the guitar playing... beautiful indeed. so it's a song of his, then ? incredible that didn't get released !?
anyway, thanks !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah it's one of his. the story goes that him and Robbie Robertson would stay up all night on the 1966 UK tour writing dozens of new songs--and then the next day neither one could remember them.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I am still working my way through 1-3 in order. Slowly. I am now halfway through 'You Changed My Life'.

Latest discoveries:

'Tangled Up In Blue' - a centrepiece of the set to me when I first heard it - is it in E, and the LP version in G?

'Call Letter Blues' is doing more for me than before: some poignancy in the words.

I have never loved 'Idiot Wind' but am now impressed by the relative tenderness of this (NYC?) version as vs the LP.

The bootleg 'If You See Her' is a lot better than the LP's, surely.

Is 'Golden Loom' the first time Bob and Emmylou H sang together? Assuming it's her.

It's funny how that is country, then 'Catfish' is blues. I have always thought 'Catfish' kind of unimportant, but actually I like the depth of its sound, the reverb around those slides and harmonicas.

Is the barking dog the reason that this 'Every Grain of Sand' was not used? I like this song a lot considering that it's religious.

The whole set is an amazing way to take a rapid-fire time-tour through Dylan's career, hearing the flavour of one year (those Desirous violins) for a track or two before the next sound comes along.

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, yes - 'Nobody 'Cept You' IS good, isn't it: oddly it sounds to me like the Rolling Thunder sound, though it predates it.

Unlike PJM, I like Live 1964 a lot.

This glockenspiel rumour remains mysterious to me.

But christ, so many great things: 'Barbed Wire Fence', 'Train To Cry', '... Go Now' on bootleg 2. Peerless!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

give me an early 90s set with all the takes of Froggy Went a-Courtin'

EZ Snappin, Friday, 23 July 2021 18:43 (one week ago) link

my bootleg series wishlist
- a Rolling Thunder 76 set
- a Rundown Rehearsals set
- Time Outtakes of Mind
- Maybe something similar to this Springtime thing that handles the latter half of the 1980s?

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2021 19:00 (one week ago) link

I'd like a NET set, but that'll be a tough one to compile. I'm not even sure they have great tapes for most shows - Rosen himself said the bootlegs often sounded better than the recordings they made from the board.

birdistheword, Friday, 23 July 2021 19:11 (one week ago) link

yeah, i think the NET stuff would be best served as a separate thing altogether, like a Dicks Picks situation. They should just use audience tapes (I think they've used some here and there previously) — there really are some amazing ones.

tylerw, Friday, 23 July 2021 20:24 (one week ago) link

Really enjoying the "Too Late" linked above ^^ and released this week. Sounds like a sibling of "Tangled Up In Blue" with this arrangement, one I'd never heard before. (Had never heard "Foot of Pride.")

... (Eazy), Friday, 23 July 2021 20:36 (one week ago) link

They’ve already covered TOOM outtakes on Tell Tale Signs, but I would love to hear a better master of the album.

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 23 July 2021 21:28 (one week ago) link

also the Supper Club shows please

assert (matttkkkk), Friday, 23 July 2021 21:29 (one week ago) link

"Too Late" sounds to me like a very early draft of "Jokerman."

Max Ice (morrisp), Friday, 23 July 2021 21:30 (one week ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUT7N8RYgSI

Yeah, I love outtakes like this - I feel like every great artist has them, and they generally show why they're a cut above most. It's a good song and a lesser artist probably would've put it out or just polished it up if they managed to come up with this, but Dylan kept working at it and came up with a truly great track in "Foot of Pride."

Anyway, it does sound like an early run-through, like Dylan's got a complete draft of the words down but wants to try it over some basic music. There's a bit of a "Like a Rolling Stone" vibe and the acoustic guitar part recalls the basic riff from the Beatles "I've Got a Feeling."

birdistheword, Saturday, 24 July 2021 03:36 (one week ago) link

yeah, it's odd hearing those lyric delivered without the anger of "Foot of Pride."

I was listening to "Pretty Saro" the other day and his vocals are just stunning, I don't know if I've ever heard him sing so beautifully.

JoeStork, Saturday, 24 July 2021 06:37 (one week ago) link

Pretty Saro gets me every time.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Saturday, 24 July 2021 11:13 (one week ago) link

Complete Masked & Anonymous sessions or GTFO

"The Pus/Worm" by The Smiths (hardcore dilettante), Saturday, 24 July 2021 16:04 (one week ago) link

They’ve already covered TOOM outtakes on Tell Tale Signs, but I would love to hear a better master of the album.
in terms of the TOOM sessions, tell tale signs was just the tip of the iceberg apparently

tylerw, Saturday, 24 July 2021 16:17 (one week ago) link

The multi-tracks alone for TOOM are interesting because they had a shitload of people playing on that record. Jim Dickinson talked about this and kind of complained how much of that was lost (i.e. there are two drummers but that's not even discernible on the final mixes). He derided the finished mixes as "monitor mixes" which shouldn't be taken too literally - given how meticulous Lanois and Howard can be, if something's muted or buried, it's done so for a reason. But it does suggest that something like a 5.1 mix could be interesting, and I think contractually that would have to come from Lanois. I don't think Lanois would ever remix his stereo mixes, but I can see him doing 5.1 and adding more stuff back in due to the wider soundscape. Then again, how many people have 5.1 setups?

birdistheword, Saturday, 24 July 2021 16:34 (one week ago) link

And yes, "Pretty Saro" was genuinely a lost classic - no one knew about it as it was never bootlegged. It's probably better than anything Dylan's released from that era, which may not be saying much, but it was a truly great discovery.

birdistheword, Saturday, 24 July 2021 16:37 (one week ago) link

I think it was Duke Robilard that complained about most of his bits on TOOM were reduced to whatever bled into Dylan's mic. He also did a cover of "Love Sick" arranged the way it was on an earlier, to him superior take.

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 24 July 2021 16:53 (one week ago) link

ooh it’s would be first in line if there’s that kinda stuff on offer. I love that record so hard and I respect the seductive production job but I’d love to peer deeper into the mire. I can’t think of a Bootleg Series retreading the same ground so maybe TTS was intended to close that door.

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 24 July 2021 19:08 (one week ago) link

*I not “it’s”, jeeze

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 24 July 2021 19:23 (one week ago) link

The only thing nobody's asked for:

all the takes from UNDER THE RED SKY!

Lost solos from "Slash" and Reg Dwight!

the pinefox, Sunday, 25 July 2021 08:15 (one week ago) link

The Bootleg Series Vol. 17: Wiggle 'Til You Vomit Fire, 1989-1991

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 July 2021 14:14 (one week ago) link

Loool!

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 July 2021 14:20 (one week ago) link

Wow, never heard this “Pretty Saro” until you guys just mentioned it.

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 July 2021 14:25 (one week ago) link

:)

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Sunday, 25 July 2021 15:58 (one week ago) link

Another Self Portrait is so good

"too late" is fascinating wow

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Sunday, 25 July 2021 16:14 (one week ago) link

Dylan promised to write about the UTRS sessions in the next memoir.

Still waiting.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 25 July 2021 16:54 (one week ago) link

The only thing nobody's asked for:

all the takes from UNDER THE RED SKY!

Lost solos from "Slash" and Reg Dwight!

There are two outtakes that would be worth releasing, and they were already bootlegged in good sound: "Handy Dandy" built almost entirely around Stevie Ray Vaughan's joyous bottleneck playing (probably one of the last things Vaughan recorded in the studio) and the original, more ominous "TV Talkin' Song" with a darker set of lyrics. They're not lost masterpieces, but they would've been good improvements on the album (which to me only works as a set of novelty songs - that kind of makes sense when you hear it back-to-back with the second Traveling Wilburys album, which isn't exactly great either). It's a shame they didn't release those two on Tell Tale Signs. They certainly could've done it on the overpriced three-CD deluxe edition as that third disc had room to spare. It's hard to imagine another good and feasible Bootleg Series installment where their inclusion would make sense.

In fairness, there's two other outtakes that may be worth releasing, but I doubt they are: a lost song called "Shirley Temple Don't Live Here Anymore" and a supposedly unfinished song that eventually became "Heartland." The former was performed in concert later on by producer Don Was's own group, Was (Not Was), but rewritten as "Mr. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore." The latter was supposedly given by Don Was to Willie Nelson during the Across the Borderline sessions (which Was produced) and Nelson not only finished the song but had Dylan sing with him on the final recording. FWIW, that Willie Nelson album is a good one, a commendable way of finishing his contract at Columbia.

birdistheword, Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:39 (one week ago) link

maybe you could do a bootleg series with oh mercy > under the red sky > bromberg sessions > supper club stuff.

tylerw, Sunday, 25 July 2021 19:19 (one week ago) link

That was essentially Tell Tale Signs though. They didn't have anything from the UTRS sessions, but they did include two songs that were used on the album (albeit as outtakes from the Oh Mercy sessions). I guess you could do Tell Tale Signs Vol. 2 but some of the interviews they did at the time implied it wasn't something they'd want to do - that is, disc one to them had all the prime stuff most people would want, and from there it was diminishing returns (in their view).

The Supper Club stuff should just get their own DVD/Blu-ray release anyway. It was all filmed, and they could put all four hour-long concerts out on one or two Blu-ray discs. (Probably one if it's a 50 GB disc.)

I'm pretty skeptical of the Bromberg sessions - I actually know someone in Chicago who has them all and won't share, but the stuff that was leaked sounds too slick to me. You can hear a few on the super deluxe Tell Tale Signs, but I think Dylan's instincts were right to push them aside in favor of new, stripped down recordings of just him and an acoustic.

birdistheword, Sunday, 25 July 2021 19:33 (one week ago) link

guess that i think of Tell Tale Signs as the continuation of the original Bootleg Series Vol 1-3, in that its more of a sampler of eras that could be explored further. That seems to be what they're thinking for the proposed time out of mind set.

I like those bromberg recordings that have made it out into the world — i'd love to hear 'em all.

tylerw, Sunday, 25 July 2021 20:11 (one week ago) link

maybe you could do a bootleg series with oh mercy > under the red sky > bromberg sessions > supper club stuff.


And the Toad’s Place show! (Was that professionally recorded?)

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 25 July 2021 20:18 (one week ago) link

They should probably get their own complete release someday. I imagine Dylan has paid attention to what's happened with Miles Davis and knows his catalog could be subjected to the same posthumous treatment - a new archival release almost every year (though in Miles case, that has now slowed dramatically for lots of reasons). Anyway, a complete Bromberg set (two discs) would be a tidy and logical release. The guy who has them definitely loves them so I'm sure plenty of other Dylan fans will.

birdistheword, Sunday, 25 July 2021 20:19 (one week ago) link

i don't think there's a pro toad's place tape, but who know?

bromberg tapes might not necessarily be a lost masterpiece, but I feel like they'd at least be good. tell this guy to stop being a hoarder and send them my way!

tylerw, Sunday, 25 July 2021 20:22 (one week ago) link

FWIW, it looks like Amazon probably has the tracklist for the two-CD version of Springtime in New York: The Bootleg Series, Vol. 16 (1980-1985). It's listed under the mp3/download version, 25 tracks in total:

1 Angelina (Shot of Love Outtake)
2 Need a Woman (Rehearsal)
3 Let's Keep It Between Us (Rehearsal)
4 Price of Love (Shot of Love Outtake)
5 Don't Ever Take Yourself Away (Shot of Love Outtake)
6 Fur Slippers (Shot of Love Outtake)
7 Yes Sir, No Sir (Shot of Love Outtake)
8 Jokerman (Infidels Alternate Take)
9 Lord Protect My Child (Infidels Outtake)
10 Blind Willie McTell (Take 5 - Infidels Outtake)
11 Don't Fall Apart on Me Tonight (Version 2) (Infidels Alternate Take)
12 Neighborhood Bully (Infidels Alternate Take)
13 Too Late (Band Version) (Infidels Outtake)

Disc 2
1 Foot of Pride (Infidels Outtake)
2 Sweetheart Like You (Infidels Alternate Take)
3 Someone's Got a Hold of My Heart (Infidels Outtake)
4 I and I (Infidels Alternate Take)
5 Tell Me (Infidels Outtake)
6 Enough is Enough (Live from Slane Castle, Ireland)
7 Tight Connection to My Heart (Has Anyone Seen My Love) (Empire Burlesque Alternate Mix)
8 Seeing the Real You at Last (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
9 Emotionally Yours (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
10 Clean Cut Kid (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)
11 New Danville Girl (Empire Burlesque Outtake)
12 Dark Eyes (Empire Burlesque Alternate Take)

birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:48 (six days ago) link

Shame that the live "License to Kill" from Late Night was left off the two-disc version. I might have liked the alternate of "I'll Remember You" too since I'm hoping this box set - along with the alternate "When the Night Comes Falling from the Sky" from the first Bootleg Series release - will salvage Empire Burlesque.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 28 July 2021 14:55 (six days ago) link

Dirty Projectors did a great cover of Dark Eyes which introduced me to the song a few years ago. A beauty!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGY5yKHMjng

in twelve parts (lamonti), Wednesday, 28 July 2021 21:49 (six days ago) link

is Fur Slippers a cover?

never cared for Dark Eyes, trying too hard and doesn't sound like 80s Dylan to me, would have fit better on something like TooM but would sound weak there too

may have to do with the released take which is unlistenable to me, as if Dylan really doesn't want to sing it

corrs unplugged, Thursday, 29 July 2021 07:06 (five days ago) link

"Fur Slippers" was a trunk song (supposedly dating back to the early '60s) that first surfaced in a version by BB King recorded for a TV mini-series about the early days of Rock'n'Roll.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iate0xqor2k

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 July 2021 18:57 (five days ago) link

Although I see in the IMDB credits for the film (Billy Porter as Little Richard!) that the song is credited to Dylan and Tim Drummond, so probably not from the '60s as was reported at the time.

“Heroin” (ft. Bobby Gillespie) (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 29 July 2021 19:12 (five days ago) link

that's a great B B King recording!

corrs unplugged, Friday, 30 July 2021 08:11 (four days ago) link

"Fur Slippers" was a trunk song

How did I not know this term? Thanks!

Two Severins Clash (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 30 July 2021 10:15 (four days ago) link

slightly off topic, but can one of you true heads tell me if there are any tracks/versions on "Greatest Hits Vol. II" (the 2LP) that aren't available elsewhere?

sleeve, Sunday, 1 August 2021 14:47 (two days ago) link

I think they’re all on Side Tracks.

Malibu Cheer Chants Forensics (morrisp), Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:02 (two days ago) link

yeah, but which ones? I believe "Tomorrow Is A Long Time" is one of them,but what else?

I ask b/c I actually have a copy of the 2LP at the moment and am def not buying Side Tracks anytime soon

sleeve, Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:05 (two days ago) link

(btw my version is the early one with 'She Belongs To Me'

sleeve, Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:05 (two days ago) link

ah here we go

The final package included one previously uncollected single, "Watching the River Flow", an outtake from the same sessions, "When I Paint My Masterpiece"; one song from Dylan's April 12, 1963 Town Hall concert, "Tomorrow Is a Long Time", and three songs from the September sessions, "I Shall Be Released", "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere", and "Down in the Flood". The remaining tracks were drawn from existing releases.

sleeve, Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:14 (two days ago) link

That version of You Ain't Going' Nowhere with Happy Traum is really sweet.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Sunday, 1 August 2021 15:40 (two days ago) link

xp sorry, guess I misunderstood yr question

Malibu Cheer Chants Forensics (morrisp), Sunday, 1 August 2021 16:51 (two days ago) link

np, WIkipedia tells all

also worth noting the the version of 'Quinn The Eskimo' on this set is the live Isle Of Wight version that was also on Self-Portrait

sleeve, Sunday, 1 August 2021 17:55 (two days ago) link

FWIW "Tomorrow Is a Long Time" actually sounds better on the leaked mono recording of the same 1963 Town Hall show. It's possible the bootleg is even closer to the first-generation source than the Greatest Hits Vol. 2 master (where it's essentially a dub, now audibly worn in spots). I really wish they officially released that and the 1963 Carnegie Hall set in full as one of the Bootleg Series volumes - Sony/Dylan's camp considered it but opted for the 1964 set, which is nowhere near as good.

birdistheword, Monday, 2 August 2021 01:29 (yesterday) link


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