Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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A search reveals that these volumes have been mentioned all over the place, but have never had a comprehensive thread.

Since last week's compelling Dylanival and the long ILM thread about it, I have been driven back to the Bootlegs 1-3. Slowly working my way through: still only up to 'She's Your Lover Now'. But crikey, that track almost deserves a thread of its own! So thrilling to hear things come together and fall apart, piano hold steady while guitarist stops and starts again; like the 'Keep It With Mine' where the producer tells Bob to keep going.

Other big theme I wanted to raise: Great Unreleased Songs. 'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs? Why did he leave them off LPs in the first place?

So much to say. And I have not heard Vol 7 yet.

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:45 (eighteen years ago) link

search: blind willie mctell from volume 3.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:06 (eighteen years ago) link

I like the 'Albert Hall' one very much. I think the tuning up is btter than most albums. I do a 'human beatbox' version of it. I do not like the 1975 one very much, apart from the solo performances. I have hardly listened to 1964 (but it is in my bag). I haven't heard or seen the latest one (but it is in the work DVD box in non-packaged format - maybe I will borrow it to make up for my disappointment at having taken home Rocky II and Car Wash only to find they were region one). I like 1-3, but I do not have it at home at present. I like Every Grain Of Sand better than the 'proper' version, and I like the Blood On The Tracks, erm, tracks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I think "She's Your Lover Now" would have been the best song on Blonde on Blonde.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:20 (eighteen years ago) link

* We need: more outtakes from the Basement Tapes.

* 1st song on Vol 5/1975 should shut up forever anyone who still thinks "Dylan can't sing"

* "Wallflower" - one of his most underrated songs, David Bromberg's version is great

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link

bootleg 1-3 was actually my first exposure to dylan, since i was staying with a dylan fanatic who had just bought it, and i really flipped for it. "she's your lover now" is really fantastic... i also very much liked the really fast version of "it takes a train to laugh..."... the concert bootlegs of "mama you've been on my mind" that i've heard have always been very jaunty; did he ever play it as delicately as he did on that set? lastly, the basement outtake "santa fe" is the one i sing the most, since it's got a great melody and incoherent lyrics

dave k, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:41 (eighteen years ago) link

She's Your Lover Now and Blind Willie McTell are the stars of the Bootleg Series 1-3 box set. I'm also really partial to Nobody 'Cept You, an outtake from Planet Waves which would have been the best song on it.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't know people loved 'She's Your Lover Now' so much! I am excited.

I adore that vol 5 version of 'Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You' - track one, even using the phrase 'Rolling Thunder'. Thrills!

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I will isten to it again. I think there might be too many musicians, a la Concert For Bangladesh.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link

On the Royal Albert Hall bootleg series, I am NOT a fan of the acoustic disc. I find it slow and just kinda overly mannered. The electric disc, however, is some of the best rock and roll ever played.

If you want to hear great acoustic Bob, you can't beat the three songs on Before the Flood: Don't Think Twice, It's Alright Ma and Just Like A Woman. All three are the best versions of those songs, and beat the piss out of the Royal Albert Hall acoustic stuff.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha yes! Before the Flood is occasionally great

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:03 (eighteen years ago) link

the bear mountain picnic song gets me everydamntime...

i'm also happy for the recently uprooted love of "shes your lover now". i about break everytime it just quits like that. Vol. 7 proves that the blonde on blonde sessions, though interesting, don't quite pack the punch of the final versions. i can't imagine what would have become of syln. the vol. 2 version is rough, but warm. b o b has a late night frosty glow. it coulda been better or worse.

the vol. 2 version of santa fe is great, better than the genuine basement tape's version....it makes you need to belt along with it.

i've gone on week long binges with each of the live records. Rolling Thunder got me to like "The Hurricane". The "It's Alright Ma" from 1964 brought back the almost crushing power of that song for me. And I still get chills with the 66 version of "Like A Rolling Stone".

all said, i love this series. i think it provides a brilliant look into how grand the dylan universe is.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link

The '80s stuff on the first Bootleg comp is first-rate. "Blind Willie McTell," "Caribbean Wind," the E Street Band-performed version of "When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky" are some of his greatest songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Don't forget about Biograph:
"And I went back to find Isis just to tell 'er I love ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

Old School (sexyDancer), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:12 (eighteen years ago) link

re: the 1966 acoustic sets--I beg to differ. Those are among my favorite Dylan recordings of all time. So slow, sad and beautiful. I think Dylan's really digging deep--losing himself completely in the songs. He often sounds so otherworldy and lonely that it's a shock when the applause comes after the songs end. In its own way, I think those sets are just as radical as the electric set (which I also loooooove). And there's some of the wildest harmonica work of the man's career--check out the long excursion he takes at the end of Tambourine Man. I can dig the Before the Flood stuff, but it's a little bit too amped up for my tastes.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:19 (eighteen years ago) link

As far as acoustic live Dylan goes, I've always loved his vocal on "Just Like a Woman" from Bangladesh. He sings his guts out.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link

how is that Gaslight performance that was just released?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:43 (eighteen years ago) link

what i want to know is why "can you please crawl out your window", the glockenspiel version, was never released or used in the doc. it's easily in my top 5 dylan songs--as exuberant as live 65.

naturemorte, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Crikey, yes, Urgent & Key: that was a 45 - but I'm afraid I have never heard it in my life, not that I can remember. What does it sound like?

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the 1964 disc (vol 6). Dylan sounds so eager to entertain his audience, as opposed to the bitter stance he took during the next two years (both sides of him were captured so well in the Scorcese doc). He sings his guts out on songs like "Who Killed Davey Moore" and "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" with power that I didn't know he had in him before I heard this record.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:26 (eighteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?

dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:33 (eighteen years ago) link

One night I discovered something totally insane. If you have the DVD disc that came with the Rolling Thunder volume then play Isis. When you see the part when the sweaty guitarist's eyes are all bulging from cocaine and he tries to bite Dylan's left-hand fingers, back it up a bit and play it in slow motion. That whole fucking weird scene played in slo-mo is truly mesmerizing and a bit disturbing.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:11 (eighteen years ago) link

Joan Baez put out "FA" first I think, and she made it famous.

I've had the the first box for a few years and been meaning to pick up vols. 4-7. Some faves from it that haven't been mentioned much:

Seven Curses (I'm sucker for mystical revenge/stolen virginity/evil lawmen/wronged man folklore stuff)
Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence ("She's turnin' me into an old man/and man, I ain't even 25!")
If Not For You (It's prettier than the official version)
Nobody 'Cept You (Good call kornrulez)
Seven Days (Since i dig this and the rolling thunder biograph tracks, how urgent is it for me to pick up Vol.5? And also is the 1st version w/the dvd worth tracking down?)
Foot of Pride (The homesick blues, nearly 20 years of schoolin' later, and still on the day shift)
Tell Me (Bob can do Pop)

Xpost
thanks for answering my question before I posted it. that sounds cool.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?
dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), October 6th, 2005.

Most notably and beautifully by Rod Stewart.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Another good one from The Bootleg Series box is the demo of Every Grain of Sand, which I prefer to the Shot of Love version...much more intimate without the Bobettes.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Barking dog!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway, and the 2nd disc has a lot of great alternate versions of album tracks, that first disc is very worthwhile; in fact, over the last 5 years, I've probably listened to that first disc more than anything else Dylan-related.

1st Disc Standouts:
"Hard Times in New York Town"
"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)
"Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues"
"Rambling, Gambling Willie"
"Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues"
"Who Killed Davey Moore?"
"Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie" (if for nothing else, those ending lines:

"You'll find God in the church of your choice
You'll find Woody Guthrie in Brooklyn State Hospital

And though it's only my opinion
I may be right or wrong
You'll find them both
In the Grand Canyon
At sundown"

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.

Taylor, Friday, 7 October 2005 01:51 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost "his publisher made sure": yes, pinefox, his "Mama You Been On My Mind" and a bunch of other demos were sent around by the publisher, so Fairport took "Percy's Song" and others, and the whole Lo & Behold album, by Dean Coulson, McGuiness, Flint, and others, was from publisher's demos, I think, or most of it, anyway. Seems like the Brits jumped on more of the prime goodies than Americans did,initially, although of course Baez did a double-LP of his stuff soon enough (Any Day Now, right?)There were a couple of LPs of demos issued by the old TMQ (Trademark of Quality, with a pig-rubber-stamp as trademark) booters, although mostly they did comps from various sources too (So "Mama" and other demos are with Minnesota apartment tapes, Basement Tapes, Isle of Wight, etc. on the VD Waltz comp; I've never heard a whole album of demos, alas.)In some cases, it was a matter of just having too much stuff, not wanting to flood the market, and/or what he did last month too different from this month's, and this month, it's time for an album! Then in 70s, not wanting the 60s overflow to wash away the later stuff; plus, when he finally did a legit version of Basement Tapes, and it did well, he was surprised:"I thought everybody already had that!" The boots were popular and well-enough known, he prb thought legit issues would increase pressure by being seen as potboilers, at that point, even f they didn't upstage, so either way, they were a problem, until he needed the money and the cred bad enough, and had by that time become enough of a Historical Landmark that the Bootleg Series seemed only right and proper. Thing is, though, hearing the tracks left off the 70s-80s stuff, in favor of some of the crappier items that did make the cut, really show how unsure of himself he can be, for all the Bardic charisma, etc. So, in that respect, the songs of his fabled past are *still* a problem for his sense of credibility, which is why they've been so carefully rationed (still tons of things; it'll be like Hendrix and Trane and Miles issues, only moreso, cause more songs, not just 9000 versions of 900 songs)But basically, questions of judgement/crediblity are part of his history too, not so much of an issue (if he makes another bad album, and he will, big deal, cos the song-suply'll never end, til the world does, and when it does, his stuff will spill over to somewhere:the good, bad, great, and meh;I can see it, the probability of that now, even while this thought ends.)

don, Friday, 7 October 2005 02:57 (eighteen years ago) link

Regarding "She's Your Lover Now," the Dylan Scrapbook released in conjuction with No Direction Home has a lyric sheet for that tune. I'm not sure if the sheet is made to look authentic, or if it's a replica of the original, but the lyrics end where the song on the second Bootleg disc ends.
I always had the impression that the wheels just fell off, and that the song was meant to be longer.

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link

"you, you just sit around and ask for ashtrays... can't you REACH?"

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:56 (eighteen years ago) link

It is Don't Look Back that is in the box at the work where we work, not No Direction Home. I watched a couple of minutes last night before deciding that it was best to wait till my karma had reached its optimum level and then watch it.

Listened to some Live 64, did not think much of it really. But I shall persevere.

Crawl Out Your Window is on Biograph, I think, Pinefox. Should you wish, I could copy it for you when I rescue it from "storage". I also have a J. Hendrix version recorded for the BBC Light Programme.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:06 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah crawl out your window is on biograph but it's a a sub-par version--i'm talking specifically about the glockenspiel version. the one on biograph is a little laid-back, but the glockenspiel version is really energetic and crazy. when he launches into the third chorus he does one of those soulful nasal whines that only dylan can do.

glockenspiel!

naturemorte, Friday, 7 October 2005 07:37 (eighteen years ago) link

"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)

It's a cover - it's a ridiculously old trad song. A great version is on Harry Smiths' Anthology of American Folk Music.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know the glockenspiel version.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:45 (eighteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

seconded; amazing song/performance, totally spellbinding

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway

Madness. I can't really say if it's the best disc but it's definitely the one I've listened to most. 'Foot of Pride','Every Grain', 'Blind Willie McT', 'Angelina', 'Seven Days' = throwaway??

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:04 (eighteen years ago) link

"Well, God is in heaven
And we all want what's his
But power and greed and corruptible seed
Seem to be all that there is"

So classsssssic.
Also turned me on to "St James Infirmary", from which the melody is lifted. Checl out Bobby Blue Bland's version if you have the chance.

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:06 (eighteen years ago) link

crawl out your window is great, indeed ! (and yeah, the glockenspiel version is best).
it's easily amongst my favorite bob's trax.
guess i'm ready to grab the latest bootleg series now !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:19 (eighteen years ago) link

I almost started this thread myself after doing a search for it last week! Surprised one did not exist til now, thx for starting.

Vol. 1-3 I heard before a lot of the albums, and it's the thing that made me obsessive about Dylan. Had a 90 cassette of tracks, mostly discs 1 & 2, that I completely wore out that summer and beyond. It started with "Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie". Upon hearing the original version of say "If Not For You" without the "Ready George?" and a certain wobbly reckless energy of a lot of the tracks on 1-3, the originals sounded rather polished or staid. "Santa Fe" is another good example. Even "Idiot Wind" at the end of Vol. 2 is more biting and mean than the album vers.

Vol. 4 opened my eyes in a big way to the pre-'66 material, as I'm sure it did for a lot of people. I actually prefer disc 1, particularly the devestatingly sad "Desolation Row" and Dylan's expressive harp playing thoughout. Almost like he's testing the audience with his harp playing, similar in aggression to part 2 "Play it fucking loud". I find the guitar playing on disc 1 tattered, like he means it, it all fits the mood nicely.

Vol. 5 I bought when it came out and only listened a handful of times. Need to return to it. I remember it sounding very punk rock, though.

Vol. 6 is the 1964 disc, right? Never bought that.

Vol. 7 don't have yet.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:54 (eighteen years ago) link

about she's your lover now--i thought the scrapbook lyrics sheet was weird too--because there IS a last verse. He sings it on the solo piano outtake of the song--which has yet to see official release. anyone who loves that song oughtta seek it out, though. it's incredible--extremely slow and wasted-sounding. with the release of the latest bootleg series, this is probably the major remaining outtake to remain officially unreleased.

but anyway, i love the bootleg series' one and all, but part of me wishes that Dylan (or Columbia) would do like Elvis Costello and just reissue the albums each with a bonus disc of outtakes/live stuff/etc. Of course they just did that big SACD reissue series a few years ago, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Seek out: Lou Reed's cover of "Foot of Pride."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Ah, there are two ways of doing this: a "Bootleg" series, and 'extra disc'..

The fall reissues have an extra disc, but as they mostly have Peel sessions, they are pointless if you have that "Ah, the Fall Peel Sessions box set, you guys" set.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:16 (eighteen years ago) link

curious about that she's your lover now piano outtake...
there's another "song" i've been wondering about : it's a tune he plays on accoustic guitar at the end of "eat the document".
is this a proper song ? a demo ? a cover ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:22 (eighteen years ago) link

that's "i can't leave her behind". as far as i know, that's the only recording of the song. but it's amazing--vocally one of Dylan's most tender moments. You can get an mp3 of that (and the she's your lover now outtake and a whole bunch more) at http://members.aol.com/eggrert1/mp3.html.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:38 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah, his singing, the melody, the guitar playing... beautiful indeed. so it's a song of his, then ? incredible that didn't get released !?
anyway, thanks !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:08 (eighteen years ago) link

yeah it's one of his. the story goes that him and Robbie Robertson would stay up all night on the 1966 UK tour writing dozens of new songs--and then the next day neither one could remember them.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I am still working my way through 1-3 in order. Slowly. I am now halfway through 'You Changed My Life'.

Latest discoveries:

'Tangled Up In Blue' - a centrepiece of the set to me when I first heard it - is it in E, and the LP version in G?

'Call Letter Blues' is doing more for me than before: some poignancy in the words.

I have never loved 'Idiot Wind' but am now impressed by the relative tenderness of this (NYC?) version as vs the LP.

The bootleg 'If You See Her' is a lot better than the LP's, surely.

Is 'Golden Loom' the first time Bob and Emmylou H sang together? Assuming it's her.

It's funny how that is country, then 'Catfish' is blues. I have always thought 'Catfish' kind of unimportant, but actually I like the depth of its sound, the reverb around those slides and harmonicas.

Is the barking dog the reason that this 'Every Grain of Sand' was not used? I like this song a lot considering that it's religious.

The whole set is an amazing way to take a rapid-fire time-tour through Dylan's career, hearing the flavour of one year (those Desirous violins) for a track or two before the next sound comes along.

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, yes - 'Nobody 'Cept You' IS good, isn't it: oddly it sounds to me like the Rolling Thunder sound, though it predates it.

Unlike PJM, I like Live 1964 a lot.

This glockenspiel rumour remains mysterious to me.

But christ, so many great things: 'Barbed Wire Fence', 'Train To Cry', '... Go Now' on bootleg 2. Peerless!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:37 (eighteen years ago) link

That's where Rolling Bootlegs should end, at the beginning--first the out and some alt.takes from the early 60s sessions, live stuff from that era (incl. Canada etc.), then Dinkytown, and finally whatever he did back in Hibbing maybe, like I saw passing mention recently of a record store recording booth set of 50s hits.

dow, Thursday, 21 December 2023 01:50 (seven months ago) link

Sorry---THE BOOTLEG SERIES, that is.

dow, Thursday, 21 December 2023 02:17 (seven months ago) link

listening to that pat garett release now

nothing special but very enjoyable

corrs unplugged, Friday, 22 December 2023 16:57 (seven months ago) link

I meant to acknowledge that the *unreleased* jamz were where embryonic "Wagon Wheel" came from.

dow, Saturday, 23 December 2023 01:19 (seven months ago) link

(duh, sorry)

dow, Saturday, 23 December 2023 01:20 (seven months ago) link

Dow. This Pat and Billy Boot. Or something else?

https://aquariumdrunkard.com/2023/10/10/diamonds-from-the-deepest-ocean-bob-dylan-pecos-blues-or-lucky-luke/

bbq, Saturday, 23 December 2023 06:50 (seven months ago) link

Ahh. Shit. The version on AQ has been taken down. But it’s available.

bbq, Saturday, 23 December 2023 06:55 (seven months ago) link

I think dow may be referring to the 28-disc set in the link above(?)

I wanna key his car, I wanna make him lunch (morrisp), Saturday, 23 December 2023 07:17 (seven months ago) link

Word. The “embryonic Wagon Wheel” is on the Pecos Blues version that I have. I guess the thing with bootlegs is that sometimes they are inconsistent.

bbq, Saturday, 23 December 2023 07:33 (seven months ago) link

Oh I may be mixing posts up, sorry. The whole “Wagon Wheel” thing is bizarre… I’ve never actually seen the song performed, but I understand it’s a popular choice for bands to play.

I wanna key his car, I wanna make him lunch (morrisp), Saturday, 23 December 2023 08:10 (seven months ago) link

yeah, didn't know the story tbh

from that rs article:

The 1973 collection that just hit will be largely familiar to Dylan fans since the Pat Garrett sessions leaked several decades back. Former Old Crow Medicine Show singer/guitarist Chris “Critter” Fuqua picked up a copy of the bootleg during a family trip to London when he was in high school, which he passed along to bandmate Ketch Secor. He became enamored with the song fragment “Rock Me Mama,” which is little more than Dylan and his bandmates messing around shortly after cutting “Knockin’ On Heaven’s Door.”

Secor fleshed out the composition into a finished work and eventually released it as “Wagon Wheel” on Old Crow Medicine Show’s 2004 self-titled LP. It became the group’s signature song and found an even bigger audience in 2013 when Darius Rucker took it to #1 on the Country chart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNTsYfjBcuQ

corrs unplugged, Saturday, 23 December 2023 11:34 (seven months ago) link

the "new" set is called "50th Anniversary Collection 1973"

corrs unplugged, Saturday, 23 December 2023 11:35 (seven months ago) link

further to the strange second life of the song, Nathan Carter's version of Wagon Wheel was voted "Ireland's All Time Favourite Country Music Song" at the Irish Country Music Awards a few years back

Even though the song (and the singer) isn't remotely Irish

But then the whole Country & Irish thing is deeply weird anyway...

Number None, Saturday, 23 December 2023 11:50 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, thanks for the clarification---rs ads etc were too much for my old computer to paste that excerpt, but should have summarized better. As for the Irish-Dylan affinity, he hung out and was maybe sometimes on the same bill with the Clancy Brothers and Tommy Makem in early 60s Village, and one of 'em turns up in Howard Soules' Dylan book many years later, accusing Dylan, "a notorious philanderer," of shagging his gurl back in the day (may have been same Clancy in No Direction Home, supposedly grossing out some UKers and Irish with his beard, cigs, dental situation, speaking voice etc.---although online push-back: "That's like my uncle!" "That's like me!")
Was thinking that the melody for "Tempest" was cited as actually Irish, but maybe it was just the feel of the track---Dylan volunteered (in RS, I think) that he lifted it from Carter Family obviously one they trad.-arrd.---as for some of the words, I haven't heard the Carters':

These days, as Dylan continues to wend his way through the world playing over 100 gigs a year, he spends more time in hotel rooms than he does on any of his properties. One night, perhaps rifling through a minibar, he stumbled upon James Cameron’s ultimate Hollywood disaster pic. Early in the film, Leonardo DiCaprio says, “When you got nothin’ you got nothin’ to lose,” a line from “Like a Rolling Stone” evoking a 1965 sentiment plausible for a roustabout of 1912. Dylan, who has, in this century, shown an almost pathological tendency for using other people’s words, must have seen DiCaprio throwing his own words at him and then thought of the Carter Family’s “The Great Titanic.” Then he thought that the world needed a song for the centenary, in which he even refers to DiCaprio, not by the name of his character—just plain Leo. “Tempest” is a doomed sea chantey, with David Hildago’s violin adding an Irish lilt, and while it runs 14 minutes, you get the idea pretty quickly.

---David Yaffe, https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-rage-in-bob-dylans-tempest

dow, Saturday, 23 December 2023 20:46 (seven months ago) link

I can't say the new copyright set interests me, but it's a good sign that they were willing to do one given the material. Probably means there will be one next year, though we'll see if it includes professional quality recordings from the tour. (As for studio material, it would be great if a better outtake of "Nobody 'Cept You" exists, but most likely not. The solo renditions he did during the first week of the tour were amazing - if a good professional recording of one exists and they release it, that would be a godsend.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 December 2023 01:50 (seven months ago) link

Haven't heard of that song, thanks. Which tour?

dow, Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:18 (seven months ago) link

It’s a Planet Waves outtake (on the OG Bootleg Series set)! And yes, it’s excellent…

I wanna key his car, I wanna make him lunch (morrisp), Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:30 (seven months ago) link

Correct! (The tour with the Band in 1974.)

Also this was posted on another forum - great info:

On October 5, 2023 Clinton Heylin read from his new book at the Pigeon Loft at The Robin Hood in Pontefract, West Yorkshire. The reading was followed by a Q & A, during which Heylin was asked about the future of the Bootleg Series. Now, this being Heylin, you have to take what he said with a huge pinch of salt, but the gist of what he told the audience is this:

- At least two more Bootleg Series sets that were overseen by Jeff Rosen [note: producer/curator of the Bootleg Series] are planned. Jeff Rosen's role is winding down.
- After that the Bootleg Series will no longer be a Dylan office project and it will be up to Sony, because they now own the rights to the recordings [note: acquired from Dylan in early 2022].
- The Tulsa Archive owns the actual recordings [note: the physical objects on which the recordings were captured – tapes and hard drives]. The people at Tulsa store, restore, transfer/digitize and catalog the recordings. Every time Sony want to release something from the vault (since they now own the rights to do so) they have to pay Tulsa for the transfers of the recordings. [note: The publishing rights to the songwriting are a separate thing, they were sold to Universal in 2020.]
- It is unclear which path Sony will take with future releases: big deluxe sets or more affordable, smaller CD sets.
- Heylin says that "Jeff Rosen has a blind spot for 1978."*
- The 1978 material includes a dozen unreleased songs. [note: According to Michael Chaiken from the Tulsa Archive they also have the Street Legal "piano demos".]
- "The Complete Budokan" was a project by Sony Japan and had nothing to do with Jeff Rosen.

*This contradicts what Rob Stoner posted on Facebook in 2020: "The Rundown rehearsals are killer. I remixed and edited many of them for Jeff Rosen and they'll be out eventually. Bob and I came up with some wack arrangements, most of which have never been heard."

If Heylin is right and there will not be an additional release covering 1978, then the only still unreleased projects on Jeff Rosen's most recent list of future Bootleg Series sets as outlined in an interview with rollingstone.com (February 3, 2023) are "The Villager/pre-fame recordings" and the "Oh Mercy" sessions. If Sony release a 1974 Live Recordings set it will not involve Jeff Rosen – again from rollingstone.com (February 3, 2023): 1974 tour with the Band – Could we see a huge box set of recordings from that tour? “That’s going to be up to Sony,” says the source. “We’ll see what they want to do.”

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:34 (seven months ago) link

The glaring omission of course is anything with substantial NET material and not just a handful of selections, but I think they covered that in earlier interviews - basically it's not something Bob wants while he's 1) still touring and 2) still alive.

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:36 (seven months ago) link

(Also it was mentioned that a lot of their own NET recordings don't sound great, which is why they used actual audience bootlegs for certain officially released tracks.)

birdistheword, Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:37 (seven months ago) link

Always first read that as NFT

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 December 2023 02:51 (seven months ago) link

Have they tapped into the Desire studio sessions any more than what they included on Biograph and the original Bootleg box?

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 December 2023 04:07 (seven months ago) link

The Desire sessions are the big gaps in his archives, with many masters from those sessions MIA

beamish13, Sunday, 24 December 2023 09:23 (seven months ago) link

Always first read that as NFT

You're A Bored Ape Now

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Sunday, 24 December 2023 13:17 (seven months ago) link

The only outtake I know from the xpost Desire sessions: another reminder of how crazy he can be, to leave songs/tracks this good in the can, man, esp. considering some of the stuff that did make the cut---I like Maria Muldaur's cover even better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cv_ERkjVej8

dow, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:05 (six months ago) link

^^The Dylan version of that one is on the first bootleg set, alongside "Catfish", which he gave to Rolling Thunder accomplice Kinky Friedman. "Abandoned Love" (which the Everly Bros. covered in the '80s) appeared earlier on Biograph, and another song called "Rita May" appeared earlier still on the live "Suck Inside of Mobile..." single in '76 (and inspired a cover by Jerry Lee Lewis in '79).

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:30 (six months ago) link

It's interesting that all the known surviving Desire outtakes all had notable contemporary-ish covers.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:33 (six months ago) link

“Abandoned Love” is a cool-ass song

Imagine writing a tune like that, and lyrics like this, and it doesn’t even make the album!

Larb starter (morrisp), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:51 (six months ago) link

Oh, and then there's "Seven Days", which appeared briefly during the Rolling Thunder tour with a live take appearing on the first Bootleg box.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 04:53 (six months ago) link

Imagine writing a tune like that, and lyrics like this, and it doesn’t even make the album!

...and furthermore only playing it live once before taking it into the studio...and then never ever playing it again!

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 26 December 2023 05:05 (six months ago) link

Thanks for all that! Because of the Jerry Lee-style "To Be Alone With You," I'd thought "Rita May" was from the Nashville Skyline sessions---always enjoyed JL's version(s)(studio/live).
I knew "Abandoned Love" was in the early-middle 70s, didn't know it was from Desire---here's the best audio of that impromptu live performance I've heard:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNeZVC2sn4A

In case that goes away, dig poster Swingin' Pig's notes, incl quotes, especially:

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Nov 20, 2018
Some Dylanologists say this is Bob's best live performance. Although I personally don't think it's his very best, I can understand why some think so. It's a positively breathtaking moment of his career. Furthermore, the song itself if probably one of my favorite Dylan songs. In my opinion, it was a huge mistake to leave off Desire.

There are a lot of versions on YouTube, but I thought they were all very bad quality; the hiss in the background was unbearable. I ripped this version off of a bootleg disc, then cleaned up the lossless audio as best I could.

Here's a very interesting account by Joe Kivak of the night it was recorded at The Other End (now The Bitter End), a little club in Greenwich Village:

"On a Thursday night in July 1975, I headed out to see Ramblin' Jack Elliott at The Bitter End in New York City. Because I wanted to learn his technique, I got there early enough to get a seat near the front so I could watch him play guitar. After the first set, a P.A. announcement told us we were welcome to stay for the second set if we honored the two-drink minimum. As the lights flashed on and I got up to leave, I glanced around the club and was stunned to see Bob Dylan seated toward the back with Jack, wearing the same striped tee shirt and leather jacket he had on in a photo with Patti Smith on the cover of the then-current Village Voice.

Naturally, I sat right back down. There was absolutely no way I was leaving at that point. Soon, others began to notice him, too, so Jack and Bob left their seats and went backstage. But when the engineer set up another microphone, we knew Bob was going to sit in. The electricity in the room was tangible as the club began filling up with more bodies. Finally, Jack came out and started his set. After a couple of songs, he began "With God on Our Side." After the first few lines, he turned his head toward the back of the stage and said, "Bob, you want to help me out on this?" The place went nuts as Dylan walked onstage. I can still see that shy look on his face as he nervously squinted out into the audience. He was so nervous, in fact, that he didn't notice that the capo on his guitar was crooked and buzzing badly.

Their first song was "Pretty Boy Floyd," with Bob singing harmony and his guitar buzzing right along. Then Jack started "How Long Blues." After the first verse, he looked at Bob in a way that seemed to ask him to sing a verse. Bob simply shook his head and mouthed something inaudible. When the song finished, however, Dylan began strumming his guitar. But since it was still buzzing, he asked Jack to trade instruments with him [this can be heard in the video at . At that moment, everyone in the room was in a trance; it's not every day one gets to hear an impromptu Bob Dylan performance in a tiny club. After a couple of lines, we realized he was performing a new song, with each line getting even better than the last. The song was "Abandoned Love," and it still is the most powerful performance I've ever heard.

Ramblin' Jack started strumming along in the beginning, but he soon realized the rarity of the moment and stopped and stepped to the side. As Bob sang, the nervousness so evident earlier vanished completely. He was so moving. There he was, hitting us with new material, with everyone hanging on his every word. It was an incredible feeling to be in that small club listening to Bob Dylan perform a new song. We all felt we were watching history in the making. After he finished, he returned to his seat near the back of the club and quietly watched the rest of the show. Jack appeared so speechless and overwhelmed by Dylan's performance that he started his next song with Bob's buzzing guitar.

Later, as we began filing out into the night onto Bleecker Street, we could see Bobby Dylan through the outside windows, leaning over his table and deep in conversation with someone, the candle in front of him highlighting his face. It's a moment I'll never forget."

Enjoy this gem while you can!

dow, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 05:36 (six months ago) link

And speaking of xpost going back to the beginning for the end of The Bootleg Series, here's another Swingin' Pig

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1ZlUjQ2bQ0

As promised, here is the complete "Minnesota Party Tape 1961", a mysterious bootleg with a colorful history. It shouldn't be confused with the "Minnesota Hotel Tape" (also recorded at Beecher's home but several months later) or the "Minnesota University Tape" (recorded a year earlier). However, these tapes go by many different names, so I recommend you look over Olof's files if you're interested in Dylan's timeline: http://www.bjorner.com/DSN00020%20196.... According to his database, this tape was recorded at an unidentified coffee house at Minneapolis, MN in May 1961.

Below is a tracklist with timestamps, and below that is an amazing backstory about "Bonnie, Why'd You Cut My Hair?" told by Jaharana Romney (wife of Hugh Romney/Wavy Gravy), formerly Bonnie Beecher, the subject of this song.

TRACKLIST:
0:00 - Ramblin' Round (W. Guthrie)
4:15 - Death Don't Have No Mercy (G. Davis) [Amazing rendition, wish he finished it]
6:40 - It's Hard To Be Blind (trad.)
9:35 - This Train Is Bound For Glory (B.B. Broonzy, arr. by W. Guthrie)
12:50 - Harmonica solo [Fun little jig to wake you up in the morning]
16:44 - Talkin' Fish Blues (W. Guthrie)
22:56 - Pastures Of Plenty (W. Guthrie) ["I learned this from Woody", Dylan says, referring to his meeting with him in January 1961. Can't tell what he says after that--Can anyone transcribe it?]
29:05 - This Land Is Your Land (W. Guthrie)
33:00 - Two Trains Runnin' (M. Morganfield)
36:14 - Wild Mountain Thyme (trad.)
39:00 - Howdido (W. Guthrie)
40:45 - Car, Car (W. Guthrie)
42:55 - Don't Push Me Down (W. Guthrie)
44:37 - Come See (W. Guthrie)
47:09 - I Want My Milk (W. Guthrie)
50:17 - San Francisco Bay Blues (J. Fuller)
52:57 - A Long Time A-Growin' (trad.)
57:32 - Devilish Mary (B.L. Hawes)
59:13 - Railroad Bill (trad.)
1:03:26 - Will The Circle Be Unbroken (A.P. Carter)
1:04:30 - Man Of Constant Sorrow (trad.)
1:07:40 - Pretty Polly (trad.)
1:13:12 - Railroad Boy (trad.)
1:16:00 - James Alley Blues (R. Brown)
1:19:35 - Bonnie, Why'd You Cut My Hair?

"He came to my apartment and said, 'It's an emergency! I need your help! I gotta go home an' see my mother!' He was talking in the strangest Woody Guthrie-Oklahoma accent. I don't know if she was sick, but it was an unexpected trip he had to make up to Hibbing and he wanted me to cut his hair.' He kept saying, 'Shorter! Shorter! Get rid of the sideburns!' So I did my very best to do what he wanted and then in the door come Dave Morton, Johnny Koerner, and Harvey Abrams. They looked at him and said, 'Oh my God, you look terrible! What did you do?' And Dylan immediately said, 'She did it! I told her just to trim it up a little bit but she cut it all off. I wasn't looking in a mirror!' And then he went and wrote that song, 'Bonnie, why'd you cut my hair? Now I can't go nowhere!' He played it that night in a coffeehouse and somebody told me recently that they had been to Minnesota and somebody was still playing that song, 'Bonnie, Why'd You Cut My Hair?' It's like a Minnesota classic! And so I've gone down in history!"
~Jaharana Romney (Bonnie Beecher)

"Bonnie, Why'd You Cut My Hair?" is one of the earliest recorded Dylan originals, only preceded by a few tracks recorded from 1958-1960.

Credits to Olof Björner for information and backstory.

Peace & Love,
~SP

dow, Tuesday, 26 December 2023 05:44 (six months ago) link

two months pass...

As speculated: “Sony Entertainment this year will be releasing a box set of 1974 Dylan/Band tour concerts.”

Per Harvey Kubernik: https://www.musicconnection.com/kubernik-robbie-robertson-testimony-autobiography/

birdistheword, Thursday, 21 March 2024 06:25 (four months ago) link

I forget which Dylan thread gets used the most. Here’s drummer Jon Wurster re 2 recent Dylan gigs he saw , and Dylan on the St Patrick’s Day show doing a song he hadn’t done live in 20 years . An Irish folk song

https://www.flaggingdown.com/p/notes-from-the-road-in-north-carolina

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 March 2024 15:48 (four months ago) link

I think the “Overrated” thread is most used for general purposes…

let’s get intertwined (morrisp), Thursday, 21 March 2024 15:55 (four months ago) link

Is there a Dylan site, comparable to Sugar Mountain for Neil Young, which documents the performance history of all songs? I know about boblinks.com but it doesn't go into that level of detail.

lord of the rongs (anagram), Thursday, 21 March 2024 16:00 (four months ago) link

the official site!

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 21 March 2024 16:24 (four months ago) link

Thanks, I'd never have thought to look there...

lord of the rongs (anagram), Thursday, 21 March 2024 16:29 (four months ago) link

Setlist.fm also has Dylan concert information

Irish folk song “The Roving Blade”

https://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/bob-dylan-1bd6adb8.html?songid=5bcf6314

curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 March 2024 19:11 (four months ago) link

https://www.flaggingdown.com/p/guitarist-jj-holiday-talks-bob-dylans

Guitarist Jj Holiday and the bassist and drummer of the Plugz rehearsed a bunch with Bob Dylan 40 years ago and backed him on David Letterman. Holiday talks about the experience in this long q and a

curmudgeon, Saturday, 23 March 2024 19:52 (four months ago) link

You should post that to this thread as well: Bob Dylan's punk period

let’s get intertwined (morrisp), Saturday, 23 March 2024 20:11 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

On producing the Hard Rain concert, incl. dealing w film crew:

The TV people grabbed our local carpenter. I'd known him since he was 12 years old. They started berating this guy about, they needed some table [built]. He didn't have any lumber available to build them a little table. They’d seen some scrap lumber around and said he should go get it. They pointed to what they thought was scrap plywood. He cut it all up and built them a little table.

Somebody right before showtime, “Wurpel! Wurpel!” “What?”

“Who the fuck cut up Bob Dylan's paintings of Christ?”

dow, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 00:40 (one month ago) link

Furthermore:

Then the other craziness that was going on: this was Passover. Barry Imhoff comes running up to me. “Look, motherfucker, we need a blender. We need it right now."

Of course, when you're in the middle of producing a fairly substantial show and it's crazy anyway and there are lots of nuts running around, when somebody says they need a blender, it's not the top priority on your list. Barry Imhoff just went absolutely crazy because I wasn't being responsive to this request. I finally said, “What is it for?” He goes, “It's for the seder.”

I said to Barry, "Barry, I've been through a few seders in my life. I remember bones, and I remember horseradish. I don't remember a blender."

That really pissed him off. I said, “I'll find a blender, but what's it really for?" I think it was for daiquiris. The daiquiris at the seder.

Ah yes, the seder tradition handed down for generations: the daiquiris.

It was a circus, but it probably wasn't the worst show circus I've ever seen. One of my clients for years was Willie Nelson.


This and preceding post are from
https://www.flaggingdown.com/p/concert-producer-talks-putting-on?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

dow, Tuesday, 28 May 2024 00:44 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

Details on the copyright protection box set for the 1974 tour have been posted. 27 CD's with each show squeezed into one disc by cutting out the Band's sets. Not everything was recorded - some songs are incomplete recordings and I noticed one show missing a few of Dylan's numbers - but these are from the best sources known to exist.

Technically it's not a Bootleg Series installment, but content-wise it's close enough.

Here's the "single":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fARvPSxdkZM

birdistheword, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 06:00 (two weeks ago) link

Also:

In honour of the 15-year anniversary of the Vault, Third Man Records have announced its 61st Vault package, Bob Dylan’s The 1974 Live Recordings: The Missing Songs From Before The Flood.

https://www.thelineofbestfit.com/news/third-man-records-unveils-1974-vault-recordings-of-bob-dylan

dow, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 17:14 (two weeks ago) link

In all honesty, the Chicago and maybe the Philadelphia shows are enough for me (i.e. the first four shows of the tour). I'd probably be fine with the two Chicago shows - ideally, they would've reissued the tour opening show in its entirety (probably about 100 minutes with the Band's sets included) and have that as a standalone. But that's nitpicking, I never thought we'd get any soundboards from those early shows, so this is a godsend.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 9 July 2024 22:00 (two weeks ago) link

It still ain't cheap, but honestly the price point surprised me. Especially considering how much they were asking for that 4-disc Budokan thing last year.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 22:19 (two weeks ago) link

The Budokan thing was a full-on bells'n'whistles Japanese import tho.

Oh I know, totally different thing I get it. Still.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 July 2024 22:27 (two weeks ago) link


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