Bob Dylan: The Bootleg Series

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A search reveals that these volumes have been mentioned all over the place, but have never had a comprehensive thread.

Since last week's compelling Dylanival and the long ILM thread about it, I have been driven back to the Bootlegs 1-3. Slowly working my way through: still only up to 'She's Your Lover Now'. But crikey, that track almost deserves a thread of its own! So thrilling to hear things come together and fall apart, piano hold steady while guitarist stops and starts again; like the 'Keep It With Mine' where the producer tells Bob to keep going.

Other big theme I wanted to raise: Great Unreleased Songs. 'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs? Why did he leave them off LPs in the first place?

So much to say. And I have not heard Vol 7 yet.

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 14:45 (fifteen years ago) link

search: blind willie mctell from volume 3.

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I like the 'Albert Hall' one very much. I think the tuning up is btter than most albums. I do a 'human beatbox' version of it. I do not like the 1975 one very much, apart from the solo performances. I have hardly listened to 1964 (but it is in my bag). I haven't heard or seen the latest one (but it is in the work DVD box in non-packaged format - maybe I will borrow it to make up for my disappointment at having taken home Rocky II and Car Wash only to find they were region one). I like 1-3, but I do not have it at home at present. I like Every Grain Of Sand better than the 'proper' version, and I like the Blood On The Tracks, erm, tracks.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:17 (fifteen years ago) link

I think "She's Your Lover Now" would have been the best song on Blonde on Blonde.

Mark (MarkR), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:20 (fifteen years ago) link

* We need: more outtakes from the Basement Tapes.

* 1st song on Vol 5/1975 should shut up forever anyone who still thinks "Dylan can't sing"

* "Wallflower" - one of his most underrated songs, David Bromberg's version is great

Keith C (lync0), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:21 (fifteen years ago) link

bootleg 1-3 was actually my first exposure to dylan, since i was staying with a dylan fanatic who had just bought it, and i really flipped for it. "she's your lover now" is really fantastic... i also very much liked the really fast version of "it takes a train to laugh..."... the concert bootlegs of "mama you've been on my mind" that i've heard have always been very jaunty; did he ever play it as delicately as he did on that set? lastly, the basement outtake "santa fe" is the one i sing the most, since it's got a great melody and incoherent lyrics

dave k, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:41 (fifteen years ago) link

She's Your Lover Now and Blind Willie McTell are the stars of the Bootleg Series 1-3 box set. I'm also really partial to Nobody 'Cept You, an outtake from Planet Waves which would have been the best song on it.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:44 (fifteen years ago) link

I didn't know people loved 'She's Your Lover Now' so much! I am excited.

I adore that vol 5 version of 'Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You' - track one, even using the phrase 'Rolling Thunder'. Thrills!

the bobfox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I will isten to it again. I think there might be too many musicians, a la Concert For Bangladesh.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:55 (fifteen years ago) link

On the Royal Albert Hall bootleg series, I am NOT a fan of the acoustic disc. I find it slow and just kinda overly mannered. The electric disc, however, is some of the best rock and roll ever played.

If you want to hear great acoustic Bob, you can't beat the three songs on Before the Flood: Don't Think Twice, It's Alright Ma and Just Like A Woman. All three are the best versions of those songs, and beat the piss out of the Royal Albert Hall acoustic stuff.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 15:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha yes! Before the Flood is occasionally great

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:03 (fifteen years ago) link

the bear mountain picnic song gets me everydamntime...

i'm also happy for the recently uprooted love of "shes your lover now". i about break everytime it just quits like that. Vol. 7 proves that the blonde on blonde sessions, though interesting, don't quite pack the punch of the final versions. i can't imagine what would have become of syln. the vol. 2 version is rough, but warm. b o b has a late night frosty glow. it coulda been better or worse.

the vol. 2 version of santa fe is great, better than the genuine basement tape's version....it makes you need to belt along with it.

i've gone on week long binges with each of the live records. Rolling Thunder got me to like "The Hurricane". The "It's Alright Ma" from 1964 brought back the almost crushing power of that song for me. And I still get chills with the 66 version of "Like A Rolling Stone".

all said, i love this series. i think it provides a brilliant look into how grand the dylan universe is.

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:04 (fifteen years ago) link

The '80s stuff on the first Bootleg comp is first-rate. "Blind Willie McTell," "Caribbean Wind," the E Street Band-performed version of "When The Night Comes Falling From The Sky" are some of his greatest songs.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:09 (fifteen years ago) link

Don't forget about Biograph:
"And I went back to find Isis just to tell 'er I love ARRRRRRRRRRRRRR!"

Old School (sexyDancer), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link

re: the 1966 acoustic sets--I beg to differ. Those are among my favorite Dylan recordings of all time. So slow, sad and beautiful. I think Dylan's really digging deep--losing himself completely in the songs. He often sounds so otherworldy and lonely that it's a shock when the applause comes after the songs end. In its own way, I think those sets are just as radical as the electric set (which I also loooooove). And there's some of the wildest harmonica work of the man's career--check out the long excursion he takes at the end of Tambourine Man. I can dig the Before the Flood stuff, but it's a little bit too amped up for my tastes.

tylerw, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:19 (fifteen years ago) link

As far as acoustic live Dylan goes, I've always loved his vocal on "Just Like a Woman" from Bangladesh. He sings his guts out.

Jazzbo (jmcgaw), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:30 (fifteen years ago) link

how is that Gaslight performance that was just released?

kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link

what i want to know is why "can you please crawl out your window", the glockenspiel version, was never released or used in the doc. it's easily in my top 5 dylan songs--as exuberant as live 65.

naturemorte, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:06 (fifteen years ago) link

Crikey, yes, Urgent & Key: that was a 45 - but I'm afraid I have never heard it in my life, not that I can remember. What does it sound like?

the bellefox, Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I love the 1964 disc (vol 6). Dylan sounds so eager to entertain his audience, as opposed to the bitter stance he took during the next two years (both sides of him were captured so well in the Scorcese doc). He sings his guts out on songs like "Who Killed Davey Moore" and "If You Gotta Go, Go Now" with power that I didn't know he had in him before I heard this record.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:26 (fifteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?

dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 6 October 2005 19:33 (fifteen years ago) link

One night I discovered something totally insane. If you have the DVD disc that came with the Rolling Thunder volume then play Isis. When you see the part when the sweaty guitarist's eyes are all bulging from cocaine and he tries to bite Dylan's left-hand fingers, back it up a bit and play it in slow motion. That whole fucking weird scene played in slo-mo is truly mesmerizing and a bit disturbing.

Justin Farrar (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Joan Baez put out "FA" first I think, and she made it famous.

I've had the the first box for a few years and been meaning to pick up vols. 4-7. Some faves from it that haven't been mentioned much:

Seven Curses (I'm sucker for mystical revenge/stolen virginity/evil lawmen/wronged man folklore stuff)
Sitting On A Barbed Wire Fence ("She's turnin' me into an old man/and man, I ain't even 25!")
If Not For You (It's prettier than the official version)
Nobody 'Cept You (Good call kornrulez)
Seven Days (Since i dig this and the rolling thunder biograph tracks, how urgent is it for me to pick up Vol.5? And also is the 1st version w/the dvd worth tracking down?)
Foot of Pride (The homesick blues, nearly 20 years of schoolin' later, and still on the day shift)
Tell Me (Bob can do Pop)

Xpost
thanks for answering my question before I posted it. that sounds cool.

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link

'Mama, You Been On My Mind' and 'Farewell Angelina', never on an LP - yet standards for years, and finally available here! What about those? How did they become standards anyway: through actual bootleg-bootlegs?
dunno about "FA" but "MYBOMM" was covered by a few people--as the Scorsese doc makes clear, his publisher made sure his songs got covered.

-- Matos-Webster Dictionary (michaelangelomato...), October 6th, 2005.

Most notably and beautifully by Rod Stewart.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Another good one from The Bootleg Series box is the demo of Every Grain of Sand, which I prefer to the Shot of Love version...much more intimate without the Bobettes.

kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Barking dog!

Marxism Goes Better With Coke (Charles McCain), Thursday, 6 October 2005 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway, and the 2nd disc has a lot of great alternate versions of album tracks, that first disc is very worthwhile; in fact, over the last 5 years, I've probably listened to that first disc more than anything else Dylan-related.

1st Disc Standouts:
"Hard Times in New York Town"
"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)
"Talkin' Bear Mountain Picnic Massacre Blues"
"Rambling, Gambling Willie"
"Talkin' John Birch Paranoid Blues"
"Who Killed Davey Moore?"
"Last Thoughts On Woody Guthrie" (if for nothing else, those ending lines:

"You'll find God in the church of your choice
You'll find Woody Guthrie in Brooklyn State Hospital

And though it's only my opinion
I may be right or wrong
You'll find them both
In the Grand Canyon
At sundown"

Suzy Creemcheese (SuzyCreemcheese), Thursday, 6 October 2005 21:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Am I alone in my complete awe of "Moonshiner"?

Sung with such beauty, control, and weight, I can't get over it. Devastates me every time.

Taylor, Friday, 7 October 2005 01:51 (fifteen years ago) link

xpost "his publisher made sure": yes, pinefox, his "Mama You Been On My Mind" and a bunch of other demos were sent around by the publisher, so Fairport took "Percy's Song" and others, and the whole Lo & Behold album, by Dean Coulson, McGuiness, Flint, and others, was from publisher's demos, I think, or most of it, anyway. Seems like the Brits jumped on more of the prime goodies than Americans did,initially, although of course Baez did a double-LP of his stuff soon enough (Any Day Now, right?)There were a couple of LPs of demos issued by the old TMQ (Trademark of Quality, with a pig-rubber-stamp as trademark) booters, although mostly they did comps from various sources too (So "Mama" and other demos are with Minnesota apartment tapes, Basement Tapes, Isle of Wight, etc. on the VD Waltz comp; I've never heard a whole album of demos, alas.)In some cases, it was a matter of just having too much stuff, not wanting to flood the market, and/or what he did last month too different from this month's, and this month, it's time for an album! Then in 70s, not wanting the 60s overflow to wash away the later stuff; plus, when he finally did a legit version of Basement Tapes, and it did well, he was surprised:"I thought everybody already had that!" The boots were popular and well-enough known, he prb thought legit issues would increase pressure by being seen as potboilers, at that point, even f they didn't upstage, so either way, they were a problem, until he needed the money and the cred bad enough, and had by that time become enough of a Historical Landmark that the Bootleg Series seemed only right and proper. Thing is, though, hearing the tracks left off the 70s-80s stuff, in favor of some of the crappier items that did make the cut, really show how unsure of himself he can be, for all the Bardic charisma, etc. So, in that respect, the songs of his fabled past are *still* a problem for his sense of credibility, which is why they've been so carefully rationed (still tons of things; it'll be like Hendrix and Trane and Miles issues, only moreso, cause more songs, not just 9000 versions of 900 songs)But basically, questions of judgement/crediblity are part of his history too, not so much of an issue (if he makes another bad album, and he will, big deal, cos the song-suply'll never end, til the world does, and when it does, his stuff will spill over to somewhere:the good, bad, great, and meh;I can see it, the probability of that now, even while this thought ends.)

don, Friday, 7 October 2005 02:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Regarding "She's Your Lover Now," the Dylan Scrapbook released in conjuction with No Direction Home has a lyric sheet for that tune. I'm not sure if the sheet is made to look authentic, or if it's a replica of the original, but the lyrics end where the song on the second Bootleg disc ends.
I always had the impression that the wheels just fell off, and that the song was meant to be longer.

Jason Dent (jason dont), Friday, 7 October 2005 03:31 (fifteen years ago) link

"you, you just sit around and ask for ashtrays... can't you REACH?"

100% WJE (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:41 (fifteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 7 October 2005 05:56 (fifteen years ago) link

It is Don't Look Back that is in the box at the work where we work, not No Direction Home. I watched a couple of minutes last night before deciding that it was best to wait till my karma had reached its optimum level and then watch it.

Listened to some Live 64, did not think much of it really. But I shall persevere.

Crawl Out Your Window is on Biograph, I think, Pinefox. Should you wish, I could copy it for you when I rescue it from "storage". I also have a J. Hendrix version recorded for the BBC Light Programme.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:06 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah crawl out your window is on biograph but it's a a sub-par version--i'm talking specifically about the glockenspiel version. the one on biograph is a little laid-back, but the glockenspiel version is really energetic and crazy. when he launches into the third chorus he does one of those soulful nasal whines that only dylan can do.

glockenspiel!

naturemorte, Friday, 7 October 2005 07:37 (fifteen years ago) link

"House Carpenter" (Is this a cover or an original? It's become one of my Dylan favorites)

It's a cover - it's a ridiculously old trad song. A great version is on Harry Smiths' Anthology of American Folk Music.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't know the glockenspiel version.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 7 October 2005 07:45 (fifteen years ago) link

"blind willie mctell" is very close to being his best performance, if not his best song, ever.

seconded; amazing song/performance, totally spellbinding

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Although the 3rd disc of Bootleg Series 1-3 is kind of throwaway

Madness. I can't really say if it's the best disc but it's definitely the one I've listened to most. 'Foot of Pride','Every Grain', 'Blind Willie McT', 'Angelina', 'Seven Days' = throwaway??

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:04 (fifteen years ago) link

"Well, God is in heaven
And we all want what's his
But power and greed and corruptible seed
Seem to be all that there is"

So classsssssic.
Also turned me on to "St James Infirmary", from which the melody is lifted. Checl out Bobby Blue Bland's version if you have the chance.

Baaderonixx and the hedonistic gluttons (baaderonixx), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:06 (fifteen years ago) link

crawl out your window is great, indeed ! (and yeah, the glockenspiel version is best).
it's easily amongst my favorite bob's trax.
guess i'm ready to grab the latest bootleg series now !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 08:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I almost started this thread myself after doing a search for it last week! Surprised one did not exist til now, thx for starting.

Vol. 1-3 I heard before a lot of the albums, and it's the thing that made me obsessive about Dylan. Had a 90 cassette of tracks, mostly discs 1 & 2, that I completely wore out that summer and beyond. It started with "Last Thoughts on Woody Guthrie". Upon hearing the original version of say "If Not For You" without the "Ready George?" and a certain wobbly reckless energy of a lot of the tracks on 1-3, the originals sounded rather polished or staid. "Santa Fe" is another good example. Even "Idiot Wind" at the end of Vol. 2 is more biting and mean than the album vers.

Vol. 4 opened my eyes in a big way to the pre-'66 material, as I'm sure it did for a lot of people. I actually prefer disc 1, particularly the devestatingly sad "Desolation Row" and Dylan's expressive harp playing thoughout. Almost like he's testing the audience with his harp playing, similar in aggression to part 2 "Play it fucking loud". I find the guitar playing on disc 1 tattered, like he means it, it all fits the mood nicely.

Vol. 5 I bought when it came out and only listened a handful of times. Need to return to it. I remember it sounding very punk rock, though.

Vol. 6 is the 1964 disc, right? Never bought that.

Vol. 7 don't have yet.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 7 October 2005 12:54 (fifteen years ago) link

about she's your lover now--i thought the scrapbook lyrics sheet was weird too--because there IS a last verse. He sings it on the solo piano outtake of the song--which has yet to see official release. anyone who loves that song oughtta seek it out, though. it's incredible--extremely slow and wasted-sounding. with the release of the latest bootleg series, this is probably the major remaining outtake to remain officially unreleased.

but anyway, i love the bootleg series' one and all, but part of me wishes that Dylan (or Columbia) would do like Elvis Costello and just reissue the albums each with a bonus disc of outtakes/live stuff/etc. Of course they just did that big SACD reissue series a few years ago, so that's unlikely to happen any time soon.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Seek out: Lou Reed's cover of "Foot of Pride."

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Ah, there are two ways of doing this: a "Bootleg" series, and 'extra disc'..

The fall reissues have an extra disc, but as they mostly have Peel sessions, they are pointless if you have that "Ah, the Fall Peel Sessions box set, you guys" set.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

curious about that she's your lover now piano outtake...
there's another "song" i've been wondering about : it's a tune he plays on accoustic guitar at the end of "eat the document".
is this a proper song ? a demo ? a cover ?

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link

that's "i can't leave her behind". as far as i know, that's the only recording of the song. but it's amazing--vocally one of Dylan's most tender moments. You can get an mp3 of that (and the she's your lover now outtake and a whole bunch more) at http://members.aol.com/eggrert1/mp3.html.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, his singing, the melody, the guitar playing... beautiful indeed. so it's a song of his, then ? incredible that didn't get released !?
anyway, thanks !

AleXTC (AleXTC), Friday, 7 October 2005 14:08 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah it's one of his. the story goes that him and Robbie Robertson would stay up all night on the 1966 UK tour writing dozens of new songs--and then the next day neither one could remember them.

tylerw, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

I am still working my way through 1-3 in order. Slowly. I am now halfway through 'You Changed My Life'.

Latest discoveries:

'Tangled Up In Blue' - a centrepiece of the set to me when I first heard it - is it in E, and the LP version in G?

'Call Letter Blues' is doing more for me than before: some poignancy in the words.

I have never loved 'Idiot Wind' but am now impressed by the relative tenderness of this (NYC?) version as vs the LP.

The bootleg 'If You See Her' is a lot better than the LP's, surely.

Is 'Golden Loom' the first time Bob and Emmylou H sang together? Assuming it's her.

It's funny how that is country, then 'Catfish' is blues. I have always thought 'Catfish' kind of unimportant, but actually I like the depth of its sound, the reverb around those slides and harmonicas.

Is the barking dog the reason that this 'Every Grain of Sand' was not used? I like this song a lot considering that it's religious.

The whole set is an amazing way to take a rapid-fire time-tour through Dylan's career, hearing the flavour of one year (those Desirous violins) for a track or two before the next sound comes along.

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, yes - 'Nobody 'Cept You' IS good, isn't it: oddly it sounds to me like the Rolling Thunder sound, though it predates it.

Unlike PJM, I like Live 1964 a lot.

This glockenspiel rumour remains mysterious to me.

But christ, so many great things: 'Barbed Wire Fence', 'Train To Cry', '... Go Now' on bootleg 2. Peerless!

the bobfox, Friday, 7 October 2005 14:37 (fifteen years ago) link

heard it was pretty good stuff

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 22 December 2019 22:49 (ten months ago) link

nine months pass...

The Best of the Bootleg Series comp was just released to streaming services... looks like a pretty good tracklist, at a glance.

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Friday, 2 October 2020 17:08 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah this set is pretty awesome, I fuck I love this alternate vers of Visions of Johanna so much

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 2 October 2020 17:43 (three weeks ago) link

A great idea, and this is a reasonably good execution - The Bootleg Series Vol. 1-3 was supposed to be everything this playlist was meant to be, but on a larger scale.

The playlist grabs plenty of great lost classics but misses quite a few while including some choices that pale in comparison. They skipped Live 1964, which I think was the right call - a tipsy performance, always seemed disposable compared to the 1963 shows at Town Hall and Carnegie. The Nashville set covering 1969 to 1970 is nowhere near as good as the earlier volumes, and the one take of "Wanted Man" is probably all they should have included, if at all.

birdistheword, Friday, 2 October 2020 19:04 (three weeks ago) link

Will check, but also I liked Vol 1-3, and, as said upthread, Travelin' Thru, along with overlap of those sessions into Another SP.

dow, Saturday, 3 October 2020 01:22 (three weeks ago) link

Oh did yall see that on Is Bob Dylan Overrated about return to Radio Time Theme Hour, with link to new whiskey-theme ep? Wonder if he ever plays any Bootleg Series or other BDootlegs on there?

dow, Saturday, 3 October 2020 01:25 (three weeks ago) link

xxxp Wow - I never heard this particular take of “Visions...”. Hot stuff!

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Saturday, 3 October 2020 07:12 (three weeks ago) link

I’m gonna have to get “The Cutting Edge” set... that’s one I skipped, but damn!

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Saturday, 3 October 2020 07:23 (three weeks ago) link

When you play THE CUTTING EDGE, it feels like the greatest record released in the history of popular music.

the pinefox, Saturday, 3 October 2020 10:55 (three weeks ago) link

I now have the 2CD set in hand... the liner-note essay by B1ll Fl4nagan (a guy I once worked for) is really good.

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Sunday, 4 October 2020 21:37 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, sweet—this set has “I’ll Keep It With Mine” and “Farewell, Angelina” (pretty worthy repeats).

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Sunday, 4 October 2020 21:57 (three weeks ago) link

Reminding me: I slept so long on The Bootleg Series Vol. 9: The Witmark Demos: 1962–1964, finally got it! Reminding me also to listen.

dow, Sunday, 4 October 2020 22:04 (three weeks ago) link

I'll Keep It With Mine, complete with the producer accidentally recording, "keep doing what you're doing," over the tape, is one of my favorite Dylan tracks. It starts off so tentative and just builds and builds.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Monday, 5 October 2020 00:27 (three weeks ago) link

So has it been definitely decided who he wrote that for/about? Nico/Edie Sedgwick/someone else? Was reading the so far excellent, dense That Thin, Wild Mercury Sound late Friday night and there was some discussion about this.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 00:47 (three weeks ago) link

From having read a little bit elsewhere, and via my own turn of mynd---think it might have been for whoever he was currently trying to pull, although if so, at least, far as I know, he didn't do like George Gershwin, according to some of his buddies: "I've been having a little trouble with this---listen, and see what you think. (Later) It will be our song."

dow, Monday, 5 October 2020 01:04 (three weeks ago) link

I heard similar about Vinícius de Moraes from a Brazilian friend.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 01:22 (three weeks ago) link

Can’t wait to hear this alt take of “She’s Your Lover Now” — one of my all-time favorites.

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Monday, 5 October 2020 01:25 (three weeks ago) link

Sorry, I was suffering from a bit of mixed-up confusion. The real question was whether “I’ll Keep It With Mine” was written for Judy Collins, who first recorded it, or Nico. What I read seems to favor Nico slightly. “Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat” was about Edie Sedgwick.

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 04:37 (three weeks ago) link

That Thin, Wild Mercury Sound is written by Daryl Sanders, an author with whom I am otherwise unfamiliar. I am however familiar with the author of this piece: https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/874-that-thin-wild-mercury-sound-bob-johnstons-work-with-dylan-cohen-cash-and-beyond/

Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 5 October 2020 05:08 (three weeks ago) link

Didn't know Collins did it! From 5, from 1965, so maybe she did it first. Just listened on YouTube: it's fast, an early folk-rock jangle 'n' lilt, a suggestion of Latin, might could've done better with congas and more bass, maybe any bass---she tries to ride it as carefully as possible, not rushing into the money shot chorus, but is not entirely successful, also her loud-soft dynamic doesn't quite go with the echo, I think--echo is distracting, getoutta here, but there is some potential otherwise, maybe with another producer
Then YouTube played her version of "Mama You Been On My Mind", changed to "Daddy": much better, just her and the fingerpickers, also fairly fast, but it works, the 'pickers are right with her (Baez also did a good version of this, even faster maybe, maybe a bluegrass cadence, words flying around, but no loss of clarity or feeling).
Of course then I played Fairport's "Keep It," so unfair, so killer.Denny handles the tempo and volume perfectly, like she's thinking out loud, word by word forming for the first time, then the chorus hits, pump up to the peak, let yourself back down, to more level ground, or looking out the window---in her/their version (she's got those other voices, players giving her room, helping her just enough, like Collins doesn't), the part about the reliable train and the weary conductor registers (and always did, even when I was a kid), as metaphorically and emotionally appropriate for her having to head into THAT chorus one more tyme---repeating her effects somewhat, but no prob, they work again---without pushing her/their luck---it's def not too long; YouTube says 5:38, which I never noticed on the album cover, never felt that long (which was pretty long for back then, I think).
This is remastered, so now I catch what I never had, after, "But how long can you search," it's "for what's lost." So now the thought occurs that, "Everybody will help you," which never did seem like a very Dylan sentiment, and she makes it seem a little teary, also "Some people are very kind," some sense of neg. experience along w irony, and so "Come on, give it to me," the almost regal desperate tender and maybe horny breakthrough to expression, reaching up and out to the other person---can see why Dylan would want to hear a woman singing this, for musical and other reasons, can imagine the song dealing with the way he felt, too, in some situation---wonder what he thought of this rendition? She got it from a tape or acetate circulating in the UK, not one of those special hotel meetings.
(Don't think he would have dared bring it to Collins with such a plan, at least judging by Hajdu's Positively 4th Street, in which Collins wanted to meet him early on, because who the fuck is this guy with all these amazing songs---so she invited him to lunch, and he babbled the whole time like an unnerved teen (my summary).
She got to be pretty good with his songs sometimes, but don't know that they ever got together again.

dow, Monday, 5 October 2020 06:33 (three weeks ago) link

Oh I meant to say something about her interpretation makes me see Dylan as---not really that crazy/sure about that crowd, "Everybody," duh considering the crowd on John Wesley Harding etc

dow, Monday, 5 October 2020 06:46 (three weeks ago) link

So this is streaming only? It's not mentioned on the Dylan website. I assume none of this is previously unreleased.

Duke, Monday, 5 October 2020 10:52 (three weeks ago) link

Sorry, I was suffering from a bit of mixed-up confusion. The real question was whether “I’ll Keep It With Mine” was written for Judy Collins, who first recorded it, or Nico. What I read seems to favor Nico slightly. “Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat” was about Edie Sedgwick.

― Erdős-szám 69 (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, October 5, 2020 12:37 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

As was "Just Like a Woman" iirc.

This revive sent me looking at Spotify and I realized that the entirety of The Cutting Edge (1965-1966) is now up on Spotify, whereas perviously only an excerpt had been. Some amazing stuff.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Monday, 5 October 2020 11:24 (three weeks ago) link

The new Best-Of seems to be streaming only, yes (to be clear, my subsequent remarks related to The Cutting Edge).

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Monday, 5 October 2020 13:51 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, cool—this take of “115th Dream” has the crack-up/studio chatter that ended up on the album track!

I Hate the Aedes (morrisp), Monday, 5 October 2020 18:27 (three weeks ago) link

One more thing about Fairport covering Dylan---Nashville Scene ballot comment reposted on Fairport post Liege and Lief thread:
Also in this (‘18) 50th year of FC, and released right before
said Anniversary concert (when they were
just headlining at the Cropedy festival, as usual),
we got Fairport and Friends’ (Fotheringay, Sandy Denny solo)
A Tree With Roots, gathering their Dylan covers, suitably
knotty and smooth enough when called for, even adding
a few kinks
----kicking off with their translation of “If You Gotta Go,
Go Now” into French language and cajun (?) music,
the latter pretty unusual on non-cajun radio in the 1960s,
but a UK hit nonetheless, their biggest ever, I think. They
(orig line-up, so sung by Judy Dyble, later crew with Denny
on lead vox) even covered “Jack O’ Diamonds." From the folk
song of that title, Bob Dylan took "Jack o' Diamonds is a hard
card to play, " for a long poem
on the back or sleeve of Another Side of Bob Dylan, but
apparently never recorded any musical application;
Ben Carruthers did, and gave D. a co-write credit.
Good discussion here, with links to both Fairport tracks and
Carruthers’
https://bob-dylan.org.uk/archives/8280
“Percy’s Song” is a rousing anti-anthem, like “Blowin in the Wind”:
both sway and march all ye right up through the brink
of unknowing. Percy’s friend bravely goes to confront the
mean ol’ judge, who slams the book on P. once again: he’s the
reckless driver, killed people, case closed. Narrator goes
right into the Headline News True Crime trope
---how can this be, he was always such a nice boy
--- refrain:”Turn, turn to the wind and the rain”
---so familiar, this mystery, so off-the-record Relatable, but somehow never in
a country (or other) song?

dow, Monday, 5 October 2020 18:39 (three weeks ago) link

Wow, that Cutting Edge full content is huge !
Some great stuff indeed.
Lol at a whole disc of LARS takes.

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 14:47 (three weeks ago) link

you guys know there's an 18-disc version of the Cutting Edge set, too, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bootleg_Series_Vol._12:_The_Cutting_Edge_1965%E2%80%931966#Deluxe_edition_track_listing

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 15:03 (three weeks ago) link

Now that might be a little too much !

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 October 2020 15:51 (three weeks ago) link

FYI, the entire Trouble No More is now available on Spotify as well. And, holy shit, this Girl From The North Country live in London is one of the greatest Dylan tracks ever.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 00:06 (two weeks ago) link

Which album and/or playlist is that in?

dow, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 00:22 (two weeks ago) link

On, even.

dow, Wednesday, 14 October 2020 00:25 (two weeks ago) link

I assume it's Trouble No More disc 7 - pretty good version, for sure

assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 00:43 (two weeks ago) link

Yes, Disc 7, Track 8. Damn. The arrangement almost reminds me of a Springsteen song off Live at the Main Point.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Wednesday, 14 October 2020 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

I have had the live "Lenny Bruce" off this set in my head for the last several days. Good lord.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Friday, 16 October 2020 12:47 (one week ago) link

Now that might be a little too much !

Yeah, that full version of the Cutting Edge was also ridiculously expensive iirc. I wasn't all that excited about having nine (or more!) different versions of the same song, so the nicely curated distillation was fine with me. When it comes to these Dylan sets I'm much more excited by lots of new live material than I am just demos.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 October 2020 13:43 (one week ago) link

One of the big reasons I love the “Trouble No More” box set is you can throw on any disc and it’s not just 6+ takes of “You’re Gonna Make Me Lonesome When You Go,” which is great but variety in this collection’s case goes a long way.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 16 October 2020 14:32 (one week ago) link

Yeah Trouble No More was one that I had no problem forking the $$ over for the full thing, but iirc it was priced pretty reasonably, even taking into account that it was half the size of Cutting Edge.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:33 (one week ago) link

I have the vinyl Trouble No More which doesn't have the full Toronto and London shows, so I am digging it now that the entire thing is on Spotify.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Friday, 16 October 2020 14:48 (one week ago) link

The version of “One of Us Must Know” on the 2CD Cutting Edge set (“Take 19 alternate take”) is fire... it makes me feel like I’m hearing the song for the first time. It just pours out, in a total thin-wild-mercury emo flow...

(wish I could say something positive about the take of “Stuck Inside of Memphis” that follows it... weird time signature or something, definitely a misfire.)

Guitar Dick (morrisp), Saturday, 17 October 2020 05:57 (one week ago) link

(Mobile, not Memphis, duh)

Guitar Dick (morrisp), Saturday, 17 October 2020 05:58 (one week ago) link

I've found my favorite way to listen to the 6CD Cutting Edge on Spotify is to play it on shuffle so you avoid listening to 4 versions of the same song back to back.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Saturday, 17 October 2020 11:37 (one week ago) link

Speaking of crazy time signatures—what’s going on in “Just Like a Woman” (Take 4 alternate take)? I don’t even dislike this one, it’s just really wild...

Guitar Dick (morrisp), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:45 (one week ago) link

Wish I had a 2CD set containing just this BoB outtakes (no offense to the other albums represented here, but this set really takes off with “Visions,” halfway into disc 2).

Guitar Dick (morrisp), Saturday, 17 October 2020 22:46 (one week ago) link

Yeah, the really upbeat Visions are incredible.

Quiet Storm Thorgerson (PBKR), Sunday, 18 October 2020 00:48 (one week ago) link

Guys, come over here to comment on my theorizing: Tom Wilson, RIP

Here Comes a Slightly Irregular (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 18 October 2020 01:06 (one week ago) link

Looks like yall nailed it as closely as possible by now.

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~Revisited~
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more info and slick pix:
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dow, Thursday, 22 October 2020 01:56 (one week ago) link

The only one I would buy is sold out.

bagel in the streets, donut in the sheets (morrisp), Thursday, 22 October 2020 02:03 (one week ago) link

Is someone gonna make copies of these out of cheaper fabrics, and call them "The Bootleg Collection"?

Mark G, Thursday, 22 October 2020 06:20 (one week ago) link


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