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― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 November 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:01 (nineteen years ago) link
That's a great image. Didn't Eddie Vedder do this literally, though?
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
But, dude: it's so true.
Seriously, I sold my copy, but sort of regret it now. "Gravitate To Me" was the first song I knew by them, seeing the video on 120 Minutes, I think — Johnny Marr's guitar riff on that (good descrp., btw) absolutely kills. And while he did "predict" 9/11 (as I'm sure in his heart of hearts he sees it now), the political stuff on that is hideous. At least one great song though — maybe a few others, I can't remember.
Anyway, I was always under the impression that Burning Blue Soul was the Matt Johnson masterpiece. I have it, but haven't yet waded into his, well, burning blue soul. I like Soul Mining ok, though — as Trouser Press said, I think, there are moments on that where he sounds exACTly like Ian Anderson.
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Never heard Hanky Panky either.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
melodramatic? fuck yes. disturbingly prescient? absolutely.
but i don't cringe when i hear / read lines like:
"Who is it?That turns your blood into spiritAnd your spirit into blood?Who is it?That can reach down from aboveAnd set your souls ablaze with love?Or fill you with the insanity of violenceAnd it's brother, lust?
Who is it?Whose words have been twistedBeyond recognitionIn order to buildYour planet Earth's religions?Who is it?Who could make your little armies of the leftAnd your little armies of the rightLight up your skies tonight?"
instead, i shake my head real fast and blink, like, "wha?!?"
― john'n'chicago, Monday, 29 November 2004 20:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― ddb (ddb), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:46 (nineteen years ago) link
and re: "the niggers of the world" line - what is that all about? I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to "say something" rather than use it as a slur but i think i am too dense to "get it".
― gspm (gspm), Monday, 29 November 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link
What is evil? what is love?What is the force that possesses us?Where is the beauty? where is the truth?Where is the force that watches over you?
What is it that makes us ashamed to be white?(when we close our ears to the sound of machine gun)
And while the niggers of this world are starvingWith their mouths wide openWhat is it that turns the coins we throw at themInto worthless little tokens?
Why is it that anything on this earth we do not understandWe are pushed onto our knees to worship or to damn?
Those are the rules of religionThose are the laws of the landThat's how the forces of darkness have suppressed the spirit of man
That's why human beings still walk on all foursWhilst in the presence of their so called superiors
Somethings telling you to wake up and saluteThe dangers of obedience and the violence of truth
God is evil, god is loveGod is the force that possesses usGod is beauty, god is truthGod is the force that is watching over you
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― asdf troll, Monday, 29 November 2004 21:08 (nineteen years ago) link
― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:09 (nineteen years ago) link
― gspm (gspm), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link
Personally speaking, I don't believe Johnson was using the term in an offensive way. He's decrying the world for treating these individuals like "niggers".
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, there are far too many allusions to the situation in Africa circa 1987 for that particular "niggers of the world" to not include the specific racial overtone.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 November 2004 21:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Matt Johnson is someone I enjoy and don't enjoy in almost equal measure. His career as such is so wonderfully random at points in the eighties that I'm downright amazed -- he's one of the chief collaborators on Marc Almond's brilliant, weird solo debut Untitled, for instance. My review of 45 RPM on the AMG sums up my ambiguous appreciation though it's a positive piece in general. I don't think I would need more than that comp these days, though Burning Blue Soul is the possible exception.
To my mind, the best thing Johnson ever did was the set at the first KROQ Weenie Roast in 1993, second from the top -- he started with a slow, monstrous but stripped down version of "Infected" that's better than any recorded take, and the version of "Love is Stronger Than Death" was harrowingly beautiful. Mind Bomb couldn't touch it.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:49 (nineteen years ago) link
If that makes any sense, which it probably doesn't.
― Riot Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 29 November 2004 22:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― chaki in charge (chaki), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Morley Timmons (Donna Brown), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:44 (nineteen years ago) link
OTM.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 November 2004 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link
the "niggers of the world line" I'm sure is a Lennon reference, but mainly (as Alex says) an accusation that rich westerners contributing to charity for brown people far away (or rich western rockstars organising charity?) view the objects of their largesse with patronising or contemptuous eyes. it's terrible heavy-handed student wankery, but far from the worst offender on that score across the album.
Really dark and interesting production.
nb Naked Self recorded live in studio! (Dusk too but more post-production & overdubs & whatnot on the latter)
― kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 12:47 (nineteen years ago) link
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link
soul mining still the best by a country mile.
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link
This is the _Heart Of Darkness_ argument all over again.
When you add "What makes us ashamed to be white?" to "niggers of the world", you do not get criticism of how the white people treat said brown people like niggers; you get criticism of how the white people aren't treating the niggers the way they should be treated. The patronizing contempt is inherent in the criticism and not at all addressed by the song.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― piscesboy, Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:54 (nineteen years ago) link
Let's get this back on track. If Matt Johnson were to redo this song today, perhaps he'd write, "If the real Jesus Christ were to stand up today/he'd be run right out of the CIA!"
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link
It's utterly worthless, as is all of his post-Soul Mining work. Wretchedly heavy-handed hectoring tripe - like spending the evening with the pub-bore. Soul Mining is terrible too come to think of it.
(BTW - I think the drummer is David Palmer ex-ABC, not David Robinson)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:08 (nineteen years ago) link
I think you're right, Doc, actually. Apologies.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 16:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 17:48 (nineteen years ago) link
otherwise
I love love love Soul Mining and have found the albuns since to be dimnishing returns (actually heard Infected first but after discovering Soul Mining was lost) Mind Bomb has a cpl great songs but as an album does now wear well for me.
― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 30 November 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link
OTOH, it's a kind of ponderous album. Good Morning Beautiful is great though. And I still find myself humming Beaten Generation ocassionally.
But really can't compare with Burning Blue Soul / Soul Mining / Pornography of Despair stuff.
― phil jones (interstar), Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link
What do you call these? Allegorical metaphors? Johnson's quite obsessed with'em, it seems.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 2 December 2004 20:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Mind Bomb is my least favorite of all the albums i have by The The but it does have a few songs i completely love. I am a bit disappointed by Marr's work on Mind Bomb though. Could be that i wanted some Smiths type jangle and got Ecstatic Noise instead.
45RPM is a fantastic compilation though. Nicely done
― biz, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Duke Dubuque (Duke Dubuque), Saturday, 21 January 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
And nothing pre-Infected because I haven't heard anything from that period that's done much for me.
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Friday, 19 June 2009 17:50 (fifteen years ago) link
expect to hear the great man return later this year - though not in the way you'd possibly expect/want.
― mark e, Friday, 19 June 2009 17:58 (fifteen years ago) link
i was once in a pub beer garden taking it easy when i saw matt heading towards the bar.my head raced with the idea i should go and say hello, but my shaking knees said not too given he doesn't come across as the most approachable person.needless to say when my nerves were beaten into submission, the man had gone.
― mark e, Friday, 19 June 2009 18:00 (fifteen years ago) link
Jesus, that was hard.
1) GMB2) ShrunkenMan3) OOTB(ITF)4) Dogs Of Lust5) DecemberSunlight6) Sweet Bird Of Truth7) Slow Emotion Replay8) August & September9) VoidyNumbness10) Lonely Planet
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Friday, 19 June 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link
trimming it down to 10, or making it up to 10 ?
― mark e, Friday, 19 June 2009 18:15 (fifteen years ago) link
lol the former obv
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Friday, 19 June 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Actually, there's an argument which states that BoilingPoint >> GMB, but I'm not making it here and now.
― gosh I actually dig this shit (country matters), Friday, 19 June 2009 18:18 (fifteen years ago) link
(ps: I agree that Nakedself is much, much better than Mind Bomb, even if no single song is as great as "Good Morning, Beautiful".)
― HIS VAGINA IS MAKING HIM CRAVE SALAD. (HI DERE), Friday, 19 June 2009 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
guess which song is fitting my mood perfectly tonight
― a used up cumrag who now plays NFL for the Bengals (acoleuthic), Monday, 16 November 2009 22:48 (fourteen years ago) link
and its brother....lust....
― a used up cumrag who now plays NFL for the Bengals (acoleuthic), Monday, 16 November 2009 22:51 (fourteen years ago) link
my feelings towards matt johnson have been somewhat changed by the sequence of events described in the luke haines book.
― piscesx, Monday, 16 November 2009 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
Um, what sequence of events?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Haven’t read the book, but presumably the Johnson-kicking-the-Auteurs-off-a-support-slot and them calling each other grumpy pricks in the press kerfuffle that Haines milked for press back in 1993.
― zing touch me I'm (sic), Tuesday, 17 November 2009 04:33 (fourteen years ago) link
i saw that tour.the auteurs were fucking boring.(and in recent times i have said as much to the cellist ..)
― mark e, Tuesday, 17 November 2009 08:45 (fourteen years ago) link
the "niggers of the world line" I'm sure is a Lennon reference, but mainly (as Alex says) an accusation that rich westerners contributing to charity for brown people far away (or rich western rockstars organising charity?) view the objects of their largesse with patronising or contemptuous eyes.This is the _Heart Of Darkness_ argument all over again.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, November 30, 2004 2:52 PM (7 years ago)
since our recent chat on the other thread re this point DJP it has been playing on my mind.i too have always been uncomfortable re this lyric, and have no recollection if matt has ever been asked and responded to the use of the word.so, via a connection, i have forwarded this point to see if he will answer, and se the record straight.
i suspect an all too typical wall of silence, but still, you never know ..
― mark e, Wednesday, 7 November 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
goddamn this album takes a dive after that first track
― HAVE YOU SEEN ME? Please don't hesitate (imago), Thursday, 17 October 2013 01:11 (ten years ago) link
but what a first track!
My elder brother had this on tape so I used to listen to it. I cant remeber if I ever really liked it or not (I have a feeling I didnt) but 14 year old me thought that Jesus-CIA line was like so deep man.
― Old Boy In Network (Michael B), Thursday, 17 October 2013 10:21 (ten years ago) link
I love his earnest philosophical wrangling.
Anyway, the music and playing is so great across the board on the The The records that I can handle the lyrical stumbles.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 17 October 2013 12:04 (ten years ago) link
Pretty nice write-up here: http://thequietus.com/articles/16952-the-the-mind-bomb-anniversary-review
When it came out, it certainly felt like a bit of a let-down compared to the previous two albums but it has certainly aged nicely what with the prophetic aspects and Johnny Marr's fantastic guitar.
I miss Matt.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
I feel Matt peaked with the first version of "Uncertain Smile", so my fave album of his is Burning Blue Soul. I quite like "Gravitate To Me" though.
― Paul, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:12 (nine years ago) link
xpost Wow, what an overheated, overwritten piece. Well-suited to the album, I suppose, which like most of his stuff is so musically sharp and on-point it offsets the OTT insanity of the vocals.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 02:42 (nine years ago) link
I've never heard this album, should I bother?
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Tuesday, 23 December 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link
Opening track in search of an album. Rescreen Infected or straight to Dusk imo
― imago, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
I don't get how one could dismiss the bulk of this so easily. I like Infected, and Dusk is my favorite, but most of this album is great.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
Also, I know I've said it before, but this era of this band was so great live. Like, this is awesome, though I wish I could find the 1993 version:
htts://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6wa-qOb8eI
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 December 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6wa-qOb8eI
So finally got around to listening to this. My initial impression is that the first half of the album does more for me than the second half, and some of the lyrics made me wince more than a little.
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Thursday, 8 January 2015 01:43 (nine years ago) link
What, you don't like songs about being "all spurted out"?
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 8 January 2015 03:13 (nine years ago) link
Holy shit, I had no idea that Matt Johnson was getting back - or got? - together with Johnny Marr to make new music.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 March 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
I am looking at the lyrics to "The Violence of Truth" again and really, it's amazing that I gave this dude any chances beyond this album because everything about that song is 100% horrorshow.
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 23 March 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link
i never did get a response .. sorry.
― mark e, Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
ha I did wonder!
― Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:22 (seven years ago) link
imo DJP gave them more chances because he listened to Good Morning Beautiful again
― an uptempo Pop/Hip Hop mentality (imago), Thursday, 23 March 2017 20:46 (seven years ago) link
An idea which just came to mind. Somehow Johnny Marr seems to like to play guitar for singers who sing in a mannered style. And his guitar really fits well with them.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Thursday, 23 March 2017 23:11 (seven years ago) link
Theer is a new film out, The Inertia Variations, and it includes a new song from him. And both film and song are good. I went to a screening where Matt Johnson did a Q&A afterwards, and there should be a bunch of stuff coming out soon. Not a lot of it is new The The songs, though.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 March 2017 23:32 (seven years ago) link
The film is a documentary about Matt Johnson, I should mention :)
Thanks for the heads up, had no idea.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 March 2017 02:03 (seven years ago) link
it has had five screenings in Sweden and one in Copenhagen
― (±\ PLO;;;;;;; Style (sic), Friday, 24 March 2017 02:15 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6831Y1EPoqM
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 May 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
kept my 7" sealed .. so not heard this yet.
― mark e, Saturday, 13 May 2017 20:49 (seven years ago) link
ok, thats very Dusk sounding.
love it.
now lets have an album.
― mark e, Saturday, 13 May 2017 20:50 (seven years ago) link
https://thevinylfactory.com/features/matt-johnson-the-the-interview/
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:47 (seven years ago) link
The The touring the US this fall!
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 April 2018 17:27 (six years ago) link
Is this the de facto The The thread? Because I'm seeing him live tomorrow :)
― Frederik B, Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:30 (six years ago) link
There is also this cd/sd thread:The The: C/D, S&D
― Ich bin kein Berliner (alex in mainhattan), Friday, 1 June 2018 19:27 (six years ago) link