The The: C/D, S&D

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i found "mind bomb" used, but i haven't listened to it yet. should i be excited?

brains, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some spotty output along the way, but definetely a classic, I'd say.

I love MIND BOMB (specifically for "Good Morning, Beautiful" and "Gravitate to Me," but Matt Johnson's finest hour is largely thought to be his debut, SOUL MINING. My fave remains "Sweet Bird of Truth" on INFECTED, tho'.

Classic!

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Classic for the most part. You've started in the right place with Mind Bomb for sure...

paul, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Burning Blue Soul is my favourite album. It is a Matt Johnson solo later released under The The. Before The The actually. It sounds like Matt on his own in his cave. Mainly (completely?) instrumental, similar to the first New Order Movement. Tribal rhythms. My favourite song is still Uncertain Smile from Soul Mining. Pop as I like it. There are some memories attached to this...

alex in mainhattan, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think The The went from classic to dud pretty sharply between Infected and Mind Bomb on account of Matt suddenly taking himself a lot more seriously. I mean, he was always the serious type, but one minute he's putting out a single whose cover is a cartoon monster masturbating into its own mouth, the next minute he's making an album with himself on the cover. Looking sad.

Aaron, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd800/d841/ d84140b6g7x.jpg

That's a monster masturbating into its own mouth?

Alex in NYC, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think the last album "Naked Self" was beautiful... search everything except the hank williams tribute.

chaki, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have 'Infected' and 'Mind Bomb' and I vastly prefer the former, whose dance grooves tend to undermine any tendencies towards smirking self-importance that blossom into full on the latter. Mind you 'Mind Bomb' still has some great tracks, but 'Infected' feels vaster, cleverer, more affecting.

Tim, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gonna stick up for Dusk here. I liked Infected and awful lot and thought Mind Bomb was ...okay. By Dusk he smartened up and stopped taking himself so damn seriously...and chilled the fuck out. It's a great late-night album without being mindless or like aural wallpaper.

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Still think my favourite song is "This is the Day" though...more because it was my first exposure to the band...they even played it on our local rock station when it first came out! (The more I think about it, the more I realize that our small town rock station was pretty damn adventurous! That's also where I first heard Echo and the Bunnymen, The Cure and New Order! Woo!)

Sean Carruthers, Thursday, 1 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

The The albums (in descending order of excellence):

Mind Bomb/Infected/Soulmining/Dusk/Hanky Panky/NakedSelf/Burning Blue Soul.

The first three are largely interchangeable, but they're all you really need.

Zanny G, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Infected is very good. At the time, I thought is was cool that he made a video for every track on the LP. Now that I would like to have on DVD.

Jeff W, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yet another (dud) + (dud) = (classic) thing for me (cf. 'Rubber Soul'). That is, I dislike both Matt Johnson and Jools Holland, but will eternally love "Uncertain Smile" (is that the name? One with long piano outro). Don't even understand myself, but there you go.

dave q, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jeff

I read somewhere that Matt Johnson is pushing to release Infected, The The vs The World and From Dusk to Dawn on a single DVD.

That pretty much tops my current DVD wants list!

Zanny G, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"Mind Bomb" was where I started losing my interest in The The. It's still a good album but doesn't pack half the punch "Soul Mining" and "Infected" did. Everything afterwards has always been never short of interesting, but lacking the "instant classic" status of those two. Moving backwards from "Mind Bomb" should be a revelation, moving forward probably a disappointment, although "Nakedself" is certainly one to reevaluate soon.

Jorge Mourinha, Friday, 2 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

There is some Korean band also called The The and are also good. I recommed from them "The More The Better."

A Nairn, Sunday, 4 August 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
Are The The the pants? Just heard a song (slower, and not the original) in a Dockers commercial. Surely they deserved better than this!

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 13 April 2005 23:50 (nineteen years ago) link

It is the original, though. And it's a crying shame.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 14 April 2005 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Only two commercials before that (I assume you were watching TDS), Devo was in a Mitsubishi ad.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 14 April 2005 02:50 (nineteen years ago) link

every the the album is great.

charleston charge (chaki), Thursday, 14 April 2005 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
What are opinions on the '24-bit remasters' of "Soul Mining", "Infected", "Mind Bomb" and "Dusk", released in 2002? How do these mixes compare to the originals?

HMV are selling these at £4 or £5 each, so thus I am tempted, but indeed have the originals.

Tom May (Tom May), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I just happen to be listening to Soul Mining at the moment. I bought those reissues when they came out, but mostly cuz I only had the albums on vinyl. I don't really hear anything spectacular in the remasters, but obvs worth buying for a few quid if you don't have them already. If you do already have them on CD, I guess not really worth it.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 13 September 2006 14:52 (seventeen years ago) link

seven years pass...

Really surprised to see the majority in here not too impressed with the Johnny Marr era of the band. I love everything up to and including Dusk, but Mind Bomb and Dusk are easily my favorites.

Austin, Monday, 11 November 2013 03:39 (ten years ago) link

I loved Doran's interview with Johnny Marr where he says, "When are you going to get back together with the most innovative and creative musician of our era (pregnant pause) - Matt Johnson!"

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 11 November 2013 15:16 (ten years ago) link

two months pass...

'Icing Up' from Burning Blue Soul came on my shuffle earlier and I had no idea what it was - sounded like some crazy Teardrop Explodes-meets-Smiths-in-psych-jam odyssey. Johnson's voice isn't a zillion miles from Cope's, in fact

imago, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 04:33 (ten years ago) link

Anyway, it was great

imago, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 04:33 (ten years ago) link

you're right and it's true

erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 05:07 (ten years ago) link

Listening to the whole album now - my god it's something isn't it? Think I might prefer this to much of The The

Nice review on Cope's site: http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/474/

imago, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link

tons of great stuff from the "lost" album (The Pornography Of Despair) between BBS and Soul Mining ended up on B-sides. that's my favorite era - "The Nature Of Virtue", "3 Orange Kisses From Kazan", so good.

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 15:13 (ten years ago) link

yeah, well the song's so completely jammed in my head imma post it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrGJd29p72U

hear ye

imago, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 23:31 (ten years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Soul mining is the worst name for a record ever. I hate the sound of melodicas, accordians or whatever is happening in this song. I hate fiddles mostly unless in the context of dexys or van morrison. but "this is the day" is a good song.

I heard this and somehow I knew that his name is matt johnson, in the same way that I somehow know that John of the Book of the Apocalypse or Revelations or whatever it's called wrote it while on the island "Patmos", even though I can't remember what I ate for breakfast two days ago

I like this song. it makes me want to smoke clove cigarettes and quit my job.

dell (del), Friday, 16 January 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

great post. Perfect is his best bad but truly great song

rae sredrum (imago), Friday, 16 January 2015 17:22 (nine years ago) link

heh thanks for the recommendation. I will look it up

i feel like all great songs that i connect with are similarly flawed? now I know how God felt when he created that world while on that bender. 4AD was a weird label in retrospect. how do you compute modern english, cocteaus, the the, red house painters in one accounting book? that's just straight-up, buttoned-down madness.

dell (del), Friday, 16 January 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link

Pixies, Throwing Muses, Wolfgang Press ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 January 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link

yah, the list goes on. wherefore, Ivo? What is your throwing muse?

dell (del), Friday, 16 January 2015 17:56 (nine years ago) link

make sure you hear the ten-minute 45 of Perfect - it's utterly transcendent and one of the best ways to start the day ;)

rae sredrum (imago), Friday, 16 January 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link

this is my jam:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoFClbrZS0

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Friday, 16 January 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link

Del, I can't tell if you're quoting some goofy Amazon review or are sincere. But that record is damn near 'perfect'.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Saturday, 17 January 2015 00:26 (nine years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.huckmagazine.com/art-and-culture/film-2/matt-johnson/

DJI, Thursday, 19 October 2017 21:58 (six years ago) link

So is "The Inertia Variations" 3CD set all or mostly instrumental?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 19 October 2017 23:15 (six years ago) link

Seems to be a mix of covers by others, instrumentals, soundscapes, interview snippets and spoken word bits

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Friday, 20 October 2017 00:57 (six years ago) link

holy crap that looks amazing im super stoked to see this!

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link

and it genuinely pains me to see him speak about singing and playing his old stuff like this... the last tour was just so so so amazing

kurt schwitterz, Friday, 20 October 2017 01:07 (six years ago) link

I've never forgotten seeing him perform on the Dusk tour. They started with "Sweet Bird of Truth", and after an extended intro, Johnson suddenly appeared out of *nowhere*, rasping "Six o'clock in the morning..." - really thrilling stuff. And meanwhile, Johnny Marr is at the side of the stage, all "Don't mind me, I'm just the guitar player." Good times.

Vast Halo, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:30 (six years ago) link

i saw the tour with the auteurs supporting.
(not that they completed the tour of course !).
i loved the dual microphone thing : normal vocals o the right hand side, and then the distorted vocals on the left.
dont think we had marr on guitars by that time as it was quite a while after Dusk, but it was still very intense and absolutely fantastic.

as much of a fan of The The i am, this boxset does not interest me in the slightest.
i love the 2017 RSD single, its definitely classic The The, and so i want a lot more, but spoken word pieces/demos/instrumantals etc just do not interest me in the slightest no matter how gorgeous the packaging is.

of course this all makes my one missed opportunity to go into full on fanboy mode all the more painful.
many years ago, i was in london for a rare 'event' (freelance hellraiser at bigsexyland as per sorted out by our very own doran), and the day after i was very hungover so ended up going for hair of the dog with a couple of extras.
i then spotted matt over the other side of the beer garden.
my knees started to shake, and i told the crew i was with re my hero worship.
they egged me on.
a little later, i saw matt then head to the bar for more drinks (or so i thought), and after some more nudging, i eventually thought 'f*ck it .. ' and headed in the direction of the bar.
only to find out he had not gone to get more drinks, but left the pub.

mark e, Saturday, 21 October 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link

seven months pass...

really looking forward to the upcoming shows.

akm, Friday, 1 June 2018 19:32 (five years ago) link

Saw him tonight. Singing along to Love Is Stronger Than Death, Dogs of Lust, Slow Emotion Replay, the whole side a of Dusk actually, Armageddon Days, This Is the Day, is so so Classic. The sound was a bit too low, the beginning was a bit uncertain, he is not the biggest name in Denmark so having him on the main stage meant a lot of people were confused, but I'm so so happy.

Frederik B, Friday, 1 June 2018 23:54 (five years ago) link

Awesome. who is in the band?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 00:14 (five years ago) link

I honestly don't know, not much information in the festival program. Perhaps other reviewers knows, I'll keep you posted. The keyboardist really ruled on Uncertain Smile.

Frederik B, Saturday, 2 June 2018 00:29 (five years ago) link

this is the band lineup now: https://www.thethe.com/comeback-special-lineup-revealed/

no johnny marr unfortunately but a good sampling across the eras.

akm, Saturday, 2 June 2018 01:40 (five years ago) link

Earl Harvin rules.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 04:10 (five years ago) link

re todays statement.
what a fucking hard thing to have to deal with.
and what a beautifully worded statement.

mark e, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:27 (five years ago) link

???

sleeve, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:45 (five years ago) link

yeah, what?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

A Statement from Matt Johnson: pic.twitter.com/ZmGyo7eeYa

— THE THE (@thethe) June 2, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 June 2018 18:47 (five years ago) link

thank you ned.

mark e, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:06 (five years ago) link

wow. heartbreaking.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 2 June 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link

two years pass...

Official live album/DVD out October:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4W_pLvLUS4

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 13:11 (two years ago) link

nine months pass...

Curious, I just checked in with his social media and ... still anti-vaxxy. Sad.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 March 2022 00:10 (two years ago) link

one year passes...

World tour to be announced, surprised as I thought his health was very bad

https://www.thethe.com/ensouled-world-tour-2024/

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 9 October 2023 23:06 (seven months ago) link

Huh. Didn't Johnson have a voice destroying throat infection or something? Also, didn't he have a bad case of COVID conspiracy brain?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:20 (six months ago) link

dunno, I missed all of that (the covid thing; saw your previous post). I did think his voice had been destroyed though.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:21 (six months ago) link

Would it fucking kill him to put out some new music or just release some of the scores of unreleased albums he made during the 80’s/90’s?

beamish13, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 00:22 (six months ago) link

tbf he fucking released like seven new albums and dozens and dozens of other new compositions and an unreleased album from the 70’s between 2010 and 2020 without fucking dying, and given what happened last time he tried to put out unreleased music from the 80s and 90s he actually might not fucking be fucking able to

vashti funyuns (sic), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 09:59 (six months ago) link

"This is the Day" is one of the top five songs to open your veins to. Had he done nothing else, that song would cement his place in the pantheon.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:00 (six months ago) link

he's collecting money from Guardians of the Galaxy so likely doesn't feel compelled to over-release things that musically might not measure up

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:25 (six months ago) link

Dusk is still one of my fave albums of all time

omar little, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 17:30 (six months ago) link

It’s a shame he’s devolved into a “do your own research” internet weirdo but maybe he was always that way. I have no desire to see him again saw the 93 Dusk tour and there’s no way he can match that 30 years later. Would buy a vinyl repress of Dusk though.

brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 18:01 (six months ago) link

"Dusk" tour was incredible, I remember it better than I remember the two "NakedSelf" shows I saw (which were also good). Wasn't able to see the last tour, but the concert film is pretty good!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 18:10 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

Some decades ago I interviewed Matt Johnson. Don't remember much about it, but as a gift the publicist sent me a cool autographed promo photo. I always meant to get it framed, but kept forgetting, and every time I remembered I meant to do it I for the life of me could not find it. On multiple occasions I more or less went through every single place in the house, every closet, every receptacle for accumulated clutter or stuff I'd collected (I found six old issues of Slash magazine!), every shelf, every storage bin, everything, everywhere, I just couldn't find it. I was so stumped I started to suspect I *did* bring it somewhere to be framed but then forgot to pick it up, but that's not like me.

I had resigned myself to never seeing it again for so long that I once again forgot it ever existed. But yesterday, putting away some plates ... I found it! After 20 years!! Like, hanging with some plates and a couple of candle holders in this dining room dresser thing we have. But why was it there? Matt Johnson, why were you hiding with some plates and a pizza serving platter and some seldom used candlesticks? What were you thinking, you jerk?

Anyway. Now I've found it, and it was like this latent psychic burden I'd just gotten used to carrying suddenly lifted. Have you ever wanted something so badly that it possessed your body and your soul, through the night and through the day?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 21:43 (three months ago) link

Lol

julian cage (sawdust lagoon), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:50 (three months ago) link

haha amazing

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:51 (three months ago) link

Yes, my mom told me years ago that when she was a young 'un she and a friend went to Sun Valley ski resort and were lounging in the outdoor pool when who should saunter by but Farley Granger, matinee idol of the day, whose PR person saw a good photo op and took a picture of him and his adoring "fans." I scoured the internet for years, looking for images from those old movie magazines (it wound up getting printed in one of them) to no avail. And then! When I was clearing out my parents attic to move them into their retirement community I opened a box and lo and behold, a perfectly preserved 8x10 glossy of the pic which I of course had framed forthwith, and post to social media every Mother's Day.

henry s, Tuesday, 23 January 2024 23:53 (three months ago) link

Whoa, from "Strangers on a Train"? That's cool.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 24 January 2024 01:17 (three months ago) link


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