fucking disgusting
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:52 (ten years ago) link
So many horrible things that this says about power and fame and fandom and masculinity and wish fulfillment
I'd be pretty wary of extrapolating too much based on the evidence of this particular sociopath. I know the revelations have been piling up over the last year but attempted rape of a baby is a level of awfulness above everyone except Saville.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:55 (ten years ago) link
this cunt is worse than saville
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
i'm guessing nick is referring to how watkins was able to convince the mother to permit the abuse, wrt to fame and fandom
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:57 (ten years ago) link
(xps)
Not going to get into paedo Top Trumps but there's a special degree of horror involved in raping a baby that's hard to compare to anything else.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link
jesus christ i hadn't heard this story at all, i'm wishing i still hadn't.
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:58 (ten years ago) link
tiers of hell but this isnt even narc of sd, saville was yr standard hebephile degenerate with fame multiplier, this one is so bad court reporters are refusing to transcribe evidence from court
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 15:59 (ten years ago) link
this one is so bad court reporters are refusing to transcribe evidence from court
i boggled when i read that, given what IS in the news stories
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:00 (ten years ago) link
I mean, holy fuck
― deX! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:02 (ten years ago) link
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 24mPolice believe that Watkins may have abused others and therefore this investigation is not over. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 29m"Most shocking harrowing child abuse evidence I have ever seen" says senior investigating officer. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 30mCPS "sexual exploitation at it's worst. Victims too young to understand what happened to them" #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 36m@Darren_smithh in order to protect the identity of the children the mother's identities are protected
Oliver Kirk @Kirkabout 43m@CrimeLineLaw @rupertevelyn I had to stop reading.....horrific- and that's from someone who has dealt with terrible offences.
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 49mBelieve it or not i have heavily edited the details of the case. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 55msample of child victim's hair found they had been exposed to Meth Amphetymne. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 55mAlong with the abuse there was "extreme pornography" involving sex with animals found on various devices belonging to Watkins #lostprophets# Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hIt's fair to say we have all been spared the horror of having to view this material as a result of Watkins' guilty plea. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hsex abuse footage was found in 'cloud' storage belonging to Ian Watkins. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hHearing of conversation involving "whoring out" the child victim as well as plying them with crack cocaine. #lostprophets
Ian Watkins to mother "the sooner we start training her the better" referring to depraved crimes with v small child #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hThe details of this case are the most graphic and distressing paedophile crimes i have ever listened to. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hcant repeat what we are hearing now. #lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hWatkins message to child's mother talked of wanting "to cross the line".mother "a summer of incest and child porn"watkins "hell yes baby"
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hWatkins recorded himself with the child's mother committing the abuse inside the hotel where the lostprophets were staying
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hAttempted rape of the very young child by the Lostprophets front-man was recorded on a camcorder at a hotel in Shepherds Bush in April 2012
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hThe female defendants admit abusing their own children at the behest of Ian Watkins and making them available to him to abuse. lostprophets
Rupert Evelyn @rupertevelyn 1hWe are now going to hear the "opening of the case" against #lostprophets lead singer "determined and committed paedophile" Ian Watkins
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:03 (ten years ago) link
jfc, i don't even
― JACK SQUAT about these Charlie Nobodies (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:04 (ten years ago) link
Karleen @KarleenKM 10m@rupertevelyn There's been rumours about it since I was around 16/17 i'm glad it's not over a lot of people will be proven not to be liars. Retweeted by Rupert Evelyn
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:05 (ten years ago) link
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:57 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
again though the idea of a parent offering their kids up for sexual abuse seems to really be on an abstract level of unpleasantness that 'fame' isn't going to adequately explain
― screaming lord, such opinion (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:12 (ten years ago) link
everything about this is so far through the wall of fucked-up that i can't even
― space bl00ps (NickB), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:14 (ten years ago) link
I don't think there are any lessons to be drawn here re: fame. There are plenty of non-famous paedophiles exerting similar control over victims and accomplices. It's just a staggering case. I can't get beyond holy fuck.
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
a charismatic manipulator whose fame (such as it was) gave extra opportunities to indulge his whims? AKA a fuckin' douchebag
― I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:15 (ten years ago) link
This fuckwit won't last a month
― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:17 (ten years ago) link
(not arguing for a summery fate but yknow this guy's head on a shield etc)
― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:19 (ten years ago) link
Never having heard a LProphets record, I'm assuming it's some sort of 'U2-lite' rocky type of thing, somewhere between Muse and Stereophonics, right?
Obviously I'm not going to now. I have sympathy for fans of the band, and the rest of the band themselves. Presumably they'va all got themselves other music jobs by now, being good musicians, right?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:21 (ten years ago) link
They're just a really shitty band.
― afriendlypioneer, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:22 (ten years ago) link
Nondescript.
more a Brit nu-metal/emo and bloody awful at that, depraved lead singer notwithstanding
― I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link
I'm sure.
But what was their perceived MO? Their 'mission statement' ? (In a nutshell, obv)
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:23 (ten years ago) link
that was xposted, obv, too.
― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:17 (4 minutes ago)
the prison service have to ensure his safety so he's probably going to be the most heavily segregated non-lethal detainee in the country
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:26 (ten years ago) link
There must be a hell of a lot of people out there with Lostprophets tattoos now frantically booking laser removal treatments.
― Addison Doug (Matt #2), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:27 (ten years ago) link
But what was their perceived MO?
the skinny on them when i was at Kerrang! was that they were essentially a rock band in name but more closely resembled a boy band in operation
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
have never knowingly heard a note of their music tbh
"Fake Sound of Progress" was a Steve "Lammo" Lamacq fave back in the day, no doubt he's currently burning a Lostprophets t-shirt
― I like to think I have learnt a thing or two about music (Neil S), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:29 (ten years ago) link
I daresay there'll be a trawling for "suspicious" lyrics
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:40 (ten years ago) link
anyone doing that is a cunt.
― a beef supreme (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:42 (ten years ago) link
Well, I was going to say, if there were they'd be reported on by now.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:44 (ten years ago) link
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:26 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Idk Nakh, protective custody is all very well and good but it tends to work best when none of the other inmates are actually certain what the vulnerable inmates are in for. No chance of that here, every Cat A and B prisoner in the country is going to be waiting to see where this excrescence shows up.
Obviously he'll be very heavily protected but this is just such a visceral case. Remains to be seen how much cover the prison staff will actually offer him.
Tbh the women are probably gonna have it as bad, if not worse. Can't be many worse places to be than a high Category prison if you're a mother who's allowed your baby to be used as a sex toy.
― Windsor Davies, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
this is a strange sort of natural justice vs categorical imperative thing where it is vitally important that he is granted as a great a duty of care as possible but if somehow he did end up like this then nobody would give a shit
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
hopefully he just suicides
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
that all sounds fairly sensible
― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:13 (ten years ago) link
You'd hope they were "just" smoking meth with the baby in the room but who the fuck knows.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:16 (ten years ago) link
gonna go & see what the Charlton forum makes of this. usually surprisingly adept at suppressing more unconsidered outbursts but I feel this might be a (possibly deserved) exception
― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
do[n't] keep us informed
― the "Weird Al" Yankovic of country music (stevie), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:18 (ten years ago) link
lostprophets did an aggroangstrock cover of "Cry Me A River" that was linked on here eons ago: I'm sorry, but that Justin Timberlake track is garbage
― deX! (DJP), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:21 (ten years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/26/ian-watkins-lostprophets-_0_n_4343245.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Some of the evidence was too extreme and distressing to report.
then you read some of the stuff so fuck knows how bad the stuff is they cant report.
― ۩, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:22 (ten years ago) link
Mostly otm rage, a few despairing attacks on British penal policy. Nothing that really feels disproportionate. Watkins has surely claimed Worst Human Of 2013
― veneer timber (imago), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:31 (ten years ago) link
if theres a worse human than he is i dont wanna know
― ۩, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
don't think the cafc end of season awards are important enough that he will get day release clearance
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
tbh this case is so revolting I regret reviving this thread now
― Thomas K Amphong (Tom D.), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:46 (ten years ago) link
If you didn't do it, someone else would have.
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:53 (ten years ago) link
i was on my way and Tom beat me to it
tbh the thought of likely violent outcomes for Watkins just makes me feel sadder still. i understand people's need to vent in these circumstances, but this sickness doesn't need a ceremonial sacrifice to underlie it. let him live with the life he's made for myself and let him confront it every day.
― i like the jabberwock and it likes me (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
underline it, i meant
imagine being one of those groupies he filmed. more than punishment for having terrible taste.
― kinder, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:10 (ten years ago) link