Thread for coordinating the order and timing of ILM ballot polls

Speaking of New Order, please fire when ready, BeeOK.

Kinda like the idea of having just one poll rolling out at once.

Though I do think an extended nomination/discussion period would be good for disco, maybe for the labels too.

So, that's decided then?

I...guess?

BTW, I didn't mean that New Order, Jay-Z and Motown should all three run at once.

since we're sounding off, this focus group of one is cool with having genre polls run on a parallel track. They take longer and run differently and don't take away from the excitement of the artist polls imo.

Ditto.

Thirded.

New Order is open for business:

Oh, you've got green eyes Oh, you've got blue eyes Oh, you've got Poll eyes: New Order Artist poll #37 (voting ends May 26 Midnight Pacific)

just an FYI: when the Jay-Z poll comes up in a few weeks, I'm going to attempt to run a reboot of the Neptunes poll in parallel with it -- just seems to make sense, since a lot of the same people will vote in both, and I can piggyback the drive to get people to re-send their Neptunes ballots (if they already sent them to the original poll runner) to me while they're doing their Jay ballots, and have one voting period for both (obviously there'll be two separate results threads, but i'll try not to keep it moving in a timely fashion).

er scratch the "not" at the end there haha

I was thinking of bringing forward The Doors poll in tribute to Ray, if it can be fitted around the others. I assume New Order results are next week, and Motown voting opens next week too - I'm guessing Motown needs a couple of weeks' voting, which leaves a gap for The Doors e.g. if I open voting this weekend and countdown next weekend.

Any reason why that's not a good idea?

It worked for the Beasties last year.

I would be into a Doors poll

I've emailed Bee OK; if he/she's cool with it, I'll flashpoll The Doors and countdown Sunday or Monday. We all already know all these songs anyway.

she's talking about pr0n, no?

eek

lol

Doors poll good idea

hmm I wonder if my high school walkman is still operational.

I like the flashpoll idea because otherwise there'd be pressure to go on a Doors binge, & that would be immoral

yeah I don't wanna end up bearded in a bathtub

side poll idea: best use of a Doors song in a movie or tv show

my vote: that episode of The Wonder Years when they play "Riders on the Storm"

Homer singing "The End"

"The End" in some war movie.

Missed opportunity: "L'America" in Zabriskie Point.

Also on The Simpsons tip: Krusty singing "Break On Through" in a '70s clip.

I've emailed Bee OK; if he/she's cool with it, I'll flashpoll The Doors and countdown Sunday or Monday. We all already know all these songs anyway.

yes, go ahead and do the Doors. sent an email.

You can petition the DOORS TRACKS POLL with ballots! Ray Manzarek memorial ilm artist poll no.36a (voting closes 4am Sunday 26 May, LA time)

Thanks Bee

Was thinking the same thing this morning--just a list of Motown records (or a link to one) seems enough. Unlink a genre poll, there's not really a grey area: either a song was on Motown (or a subsidiary) or it wasn't.

― clemenza, Tuesday, May 14, 2013 7:16 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This will be a serious grey area for Stax though - lots of stuff recorded in their studio and using their musicians and producers but released on other labels, etc.

Oh man, I didn't even think about that aspect of the Stax poll. NIGHTMARES!

Eh...can you give me some pointers on this? I know about Stax sublabels but I don't think that's not what you're talking about.

Stax and Volt, yes. But also a bunch of Atlantic Records soul albums are basically just Stax albums in different wrapping. And I don't even know how many other artists came through the studios to record scattered singles and whatnot. Might be better just to limit it to things with a proper Stax or Volt insignia on them, and Atlantic releases that are certifiably Stax?

yes, wasn't referring to subsidiary labels like Volt (which obv count as Stax) but rather, say, Wilson Pickett records released on Atlantic, even though they were recorded at Stax using the MGs house band, and written by Steve Cropper too

co-written, that should be

If something was on Atlantic only and not just distributed by them, I'd be inclined to exclude. I'm open to persuasion though.

That doesn't seem like a grey area to me, Lee; whether or not Stax musicians were used, or wherever it was recorded, if the record wasn't on Stax or a label owned/controlled/distributed/whatever by Stax, it's something else and wouldn't qualify.

Big Star in Stax poll--y/n?

Hmm...not sure. Going by a quick Google, Ardent was not a subsidiary of Stax, Stax just handled distribution for them. Depends on where we want to set the boundaries,

I thought Stax had bought a share of Ardent Records as well, though can't find any detailed history of the label online. Recently listened to the Thank You Friends comp of Stax-era Ardent recordings, was disappointed at how thin it was other than the Big Star-related tracks (which make up over one-third of the set).

Q: Is the reissue of any Ardent product possible, say through the sales of tapes to other companies, or through another agreement on your part?

FRY: Under the terms of the distribution agreement with Stax, they own the masters. Any masters that were actually delivered to them and deemed satisfactory for release and put out became property of Stax. There is at present a great deal of litigation going on to determine who is going to wind up owning that property. No one right now is in a position to say that they have a clear title. There are a number of creditors who claim security agreements and so forth. That is going to have to be decided in the courts. When someone establishes clear title, they would be in a position to sell the tapes or license somebody to manufacture and release product. If there was a demand. We’ve had some inquiries from England which we have not been able to handle because of the legal situation.

http://bobsegarini.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/frank-gutch-jr-ardents-john-fry-talks-about-ardent-records-big-star-cargoe-and-stax/

I had an idea today that was either brilliant or really stupid -- y'all be the judge. Each December when we start the EOY hiatus, we do a radio-button poll of the artist polls still to come -- "which one are you most looking forward to?" Winner gets to jump to the head of the line in February.

you need to poll that possibility

in that case I'll start my campaign for the CCR poll with this:

Creedence Clearwater Revival vs the Grateful Dead vs the Band

I kinda like that idea actually! Lets us keep the organized, take-your-turn system of the polls while introducing a little big of unpredictability so it doesn't just feel like waiting out an endless countdown.

That's what I was thinking! And doing it just once a year wouldn't be too disruptive, and doing it during the hiatus would give the poll-runner time to prepare.

during Carnival, the artist being polled should run a poll of ILX posters. we can kickstart the funds for this.

I think a Thelonious Monk albums + tracks poll would be a winner, just trying to plant seeds.

1. Pet Shop Boys - Billy Dods (finished)
2. Beatles - Mark G (finished)
3. Prince - Jamie_ATP (finished)
4. U2 - Ismael Klata (finished)
5. Beach Boys - iatee (finished)
6. Led Zeppelin - WmC (finished)
7. Timbaland - some dude (finished)
8. Guided By Voices - Johnny Fever (finished)
9. Stevie Wonder - Eric H. (finished)
10. “Producers” - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
11. Pulp - Finefinemusic (finished)
12. James Brown - strongo/Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
13. Jacksons - Jamie_ATP (finished)
14. David Bowie - WmC (finished)
15. Paul Simon - Lamp (finished)
16. Rolling Stones - rogermexico (finished)
17. The Kinks - C. Grisso/McCain (finished)
18. Depeche Mode - crüt (finished)
19. Beastie Boys - Johnny Fever (finished)
20. ABBA - donna rouge (finished)
20B. Bee Gees - Shakey Mo Collier (finished)
21. Neil Young - clemenza (finished)
22. Fleetwood Mac - Clarke B. (finished)
23. The Cure - nate woolls (finished)
24. Kate Bush - Ismael Klata (finished)
25. The Who - Tarfumes the Escape Goat (finished)
26. Joni Mitchell - Mordy (finished)
27. The Neptunes - V79 (seriously, who the fuck knows)
28. Saint Etienne - Billy Dods (finished)
29. Hüsker Dü - Pleasant Plains (finished)
30. Bruce Springsteen - Jamie_ATP (finished)
31. Madonna - Johnny Fever (finished)
32. Miles Davis - WmC (finished)
33. The Fall - Mark G (finished)
34. PJ Harvey - Nasty, Brutish & Short (finished)
35. Cocteau Twins - Le Bateau Ivre (cancelled)
36. Sonic Youth - ArchCarrier (finished)
37. New Order - Bee OK (last hours to vote; results start May 29)
37B. The Doors - Ismael Klata (results rolling out now)
38. Motown Singles - a hoy hoy (starting soon!)
39. Stax - seandalai
40. Disco - Tuomas
41. Jay-Z - some dude
42. The Clash - Gukbe
43. R. Kelly - Spottie_Ottie_Dope
44. Tom Waits - chap
45. The “Classic Rock” Canon - some dude (tentative)
46. Elvis Costello - kornrulez
47. Roxy Music/Bryan Ferry - charlie h
48. Pink Floyd - Elvis Telecom
49. Steely Dan - Bee OK
50. Bob Dylan - tipsy mothra
51. Sleater-Kinney + offshoots - C.Grisso/McCain
52. Outkast - The Reverend
53. Autechre - Leee
54. Brian Eno - WmC
55. Chic Organization - Donna Rouge
56. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
57. Radiohead - nate woolls
58. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
59. P-Funk - Shakey Mo Collier
60. Iggy Pop, incl. Stooges - flopson
61. Boo Radleys - Bee OK
62. XTC - Shakey Mo Collier
63. Italo - daavid
64. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
65. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
66. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
67. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
68. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
69. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
70. Pixies - Johnny Fever
71. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
72. Spoon - Bee OK
73. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
74. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
75. Queen - charlie h
76. Dinosaur Jr. - Z S
77. Tom Petty - rogermexico
78. Elton John - Johnny Fever
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra (tentative)
80. Jimi Hendrix - WmC
81. Sightings - Raymond Cummings

Confessin' my cluelessness: I have no idea who or what Sightings is.

tbh, they have more albums than I'd realized (http://www.discogs.com/artist/Sightings), but that's going to be the most niche poll attempted yet.