siouxsie and the banshees: classic or dud? search and destroy

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No love here for "Slowdive" as a single?

I was a huge, huge fan in the 80s, saw them live several times (they were shit hot) once with Robert Smith on guitar which must be like a goth's wet dream or something. But for some reason I went right off them very quickly and don't listen to them at all now (well, apart from the nostalgic tug of "Hong Kong Garden" and "Jigsaw Feeling"). Maybe it was me, maybe it was "Dear Prudence"

LondonLee (LondonLee), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:01 (twenty years ago) link

Dan OTM.
The overall mood, dare I say concept, behind Tinderbox (ie. apocalyptic doom in the face of impending anihilation) is a pretty marvellous and complex construction. Witness the unrelenting build-up to 92 Degrees and subsequent bliss of Land's End. Everything's been said, really.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:04 (twenty years ago) link

Just received the Seven Year Itch dvd this X-mas (courtesy of my sister-in-law, ta very much, Suzie!) and despite the fact I caught a stop on that reunion tour that was singularly dire, the DVD is great. La Sioux's voice is off for much of the proceedings (and I'm impressed that they left it that way without a studio re-touching -- warts'n'all, if you will), but the band is in sparkling form. Halfway through the set -- as she did at Roseland here in NYC -- she removes her stripey shirt to reveal a sparkly black bra, and proceeds to get well sweaty in an alluringly coital fashion whilst prancing `round the stage. This struck me as a bit incongruous, being that she always seemed to not cater to that aspect (i.e. while Sioux is inarguably a striking, beautiful woman, it never seemed to me that they concentrated on her "sex appeal" that much....or at least not as much as many of her peers ala Debbie Harry). In any event, she looks like she's having a ball up there.

I too read Paytress' book (whilst on jury duty) and enjoyed it so much that I was genuinely sad when it was over.

Has anyone heard the new Creatures record? It's been getting glowing reviews.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:20 (twenty years ago) link

Search: Cannons, Dazzle
Destroy: Everything after Peepshow, and the song Peepshow as well.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:22 (twenty years ago) link

Destroy: Everything after Peepshow

Am I the only one who genuinely appreciates "Kiss Them for Me"?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:23 (twenty years ago) link

The new Creatures is slightly underwhelming IMO. OK, but not very different from Boomerang or Feast. Then again I've only heard it once.

Baaderist (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago) link

*genuinely appreciates* - Yes, you are.

*Thinks it's alright* - sign me up.

dave225 (Dave225), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link

Speaking of "Kiss them For Me"....

chapterhouse/siouxsie sample

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

"Kiss Them for Me" is okay. I don't know if that constitutes genuine appreciation or not.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

Just looked at an allmusic review of a Creatures collection, but when I got to the bottom I discovered I could have asked Ned directly.

Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago) link

Heh, well, I am to please. ;-)

I do like "Kiss Them for Me," I thought it was very alluring and interesting (and I loved the subject matter). Great video too -- reminds me that a decent video collection and B-side comp is WELL overdue from them.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 15:30 (twenty years ago) link

Am I the only one who genuinely appreciates "Kiss Them for Me"?

I LOVE THAT SONG.

_Hai!_ sounds a lot like the spacier moments of _Boomerang_ with bigger, fatter drums, which of course means that I think it's GODLIKE.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 7 January 2004 23:38 (twenty years ago) link

What's all this piffle about Mz. Sioux being dead?

Anyone hear anything about Siouxsie?

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Thursday, 8 January 2004 00:09 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...
Revive because I'm listening to _Nocturne_ RIGHT NOW. If I wasn't at work, I'd be doing a twirly goth dance.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

NEWSFLASH: "Dear Prudence" still eats a diseased llama dick.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

SEARCH: MONITOR

total evil riffage, amazing off kilter drum beat from budgie

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago) link

Dan, don't let your oppressive office environment prevent you from revelling in the celestially dark majesty of La Sioux. Get up and dance, I say!

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 17:44 (twenty years ago) link

NEWSFLASH #2: "Helter Skelter" completely kicks ass. They really should have left The Beatles alone after recording this.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

Ah, Nocturne. It's a beautiful, wonderful album, it is.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

NEWSFLASH #3: "The Passenger" is somewhat overrated, nicht wahr?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

Oh BTW, you were right, Hai! is goddamn great.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

RESULT!

(Actually, this doesn't really surprise me, but hey; I'll take every "you were right" that gets flung my way.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

NEWSFLASH #4: "Little Johnny Jewel" and "Sea Breezes" are somewhat underrated, si?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

one of my favorite bands. classic

search: everything, especially "Painted Bird"

destroy: who told they are dud.

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

I would actually like to reiterate that _TINDERBOX_ IS FUCKING GODLIKE AND A MUST-OWN ALBUM FOR EVERYONE ON EARTH.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:23 (twenty years ago) link

Say again?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

Excellent singles, but, as the thread-opener relays, impossibly thin pop productions undermine subsequent albums. Later, around Tinderbox, the productions decide to become impossibly thick instead. Which didn't really help matters very much.

Regardless, in spite of the opinion that everyone seems to be throwing around, I love the Dear Prudence cover. And Spellbound is absolutely amazing.

Atnevon (Atnevon), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

WOAH-OOH-OH
OH YOUR CITY LIES IN DUST
MY FRIEND

*sway, sway, hand flutter*

(xpost: Hmm, Atnevon's production point might explain why _Tinderbox_ is perfect; it's the fulcrum point between their two extremes.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:27 (twenty years ago) link

I think the pop production helps the songs. I don't know how could another kind of production make the singles better than they are. They are wierd pop singles, that is why they are so good.

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

(I mean seriously, how amazing must an album be when the weakest song on it is "Party's Fall"?????????)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:33 (twenty years ago) link

I started a thread about this band = Holy fuck, was 2001 a long time ago.

Actually, I think that the last time I listened to them might have been in 2001.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:34 (twenty years ago) link

And to make a Beatles cover is like to run naked in a church - everybody will hate you for this. But I think they made a pretty good job.

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:37 (twenty years ago) link

(What's amusing is I don't think I've never actually heard most of the tracks people are talking about. I only ever had Once Upon a Time and the "Love In a Void" demos. Oh wait, I bought another one once and got rid of it quickly. It was the one with "Christine, banana split lady".)

sundar subramanian (sundar), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

And to make a Beatles cover is like to run naked in a church - everybody will hate you for this. But I think they made a pretty good job.

Um, except everyone loves their cover of "Helter Skelter" (where "everyone" actually means "me"). The problem is that the song "Dear Prudence" is an irredeemably twee piece of shitty songwriting that should be beaten with sticks.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

I love the white album and I think the Beatles are.. the Beatles. NOBODY CAN MAKE COVERS OF THEIR SONGS. It's a sin. You will fail, there is no chance you can beat the originals.

But at least, Dead Prudence is filler to a great album, in my opinion.

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:45 (twenty years ago) link

See, I'd like the song more if it actually WAS called "Dead Prudence" and was maybe 40 BPM faster.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:49 (twenty years ago) link

*blank-eyed Numanoid stare over aggro beats*

"DEAD Pru-DENCE
WILL-YOU-NOT-COME-OUT-AND-PLAY
DEAD Pru-DENCE
GREET-THE-BRAND-NEW-DAY."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:50 (twenty years ago) link

"Dear Prudence" (Fuck Deutschland Mix) +- Atari Teenage Riot

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

Dear... not dead.

The problem is i am Elvis is DEAD.

But now I think "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE". Pour Prudence...

Elvis is Dead, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 21:52 (twenty years ago) link

a/ "dead prudence" (sheep on drugs mix)/ b/ "dead prudence" (feindflug mix)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 22:04 (twenty years ago) link

I love the white album and I think the Beatles are.. the Beatles. NOBODY CAN MAKE COVERS OF THEIR SONGS. It's a sin. You will fail, there is no chance you can beat the originals.

I dunno. I like every Beatles cover over the original except for that Journey cover of "It's All Too Much".

All of the Siouxsie Beatles covers are great, even that recent cover of "Blue Jay Way"

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 23:57 (twenty years ago) link

Oh, I forgot about "Blue Jay Way"! That's fantastic, too.

More credence for the "'Dear Prudence' is actually shitty" theory.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 00:00 (twenty years ago) link

would actually like to reiterate that _TINDERBOX_ IS FUCKING GODLIKE AND A MUST-OWN ALBUM FOR EVERYONE ON EARTH

OT$$$

With the upcoming heatwave, it might be time to give '92 Degrees' a few spins! OMG I love that song..

Baaderoni (Fabfunk), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 06:23 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
reminder: tonight 11pm

Wednesday 20th October

Siouxsie Sioux guest presenting The John Peel show
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/index.shtml

tune in !

DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Sioux sounded pretty bored to start with ... maybe she was miffed to discover that tomorrows guest presenter is Robert Smith.

However, it picked up!

Muppet Boy, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:17 (nineteen years ago) link

What stuff did she play?

flowersdie (flowersdie), Thursday, 21 October 2004 11:40 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Revive to note the genius that is the Downside Up B-side collection. I had most of these songs on mp3 but the combination of the pretty cool artwork and liner notes and remastered-from-the-tapes-instead-of-vinyl sound = glorious. SO many good songs. "Pulled to Bits," "Drop Dead/Celebration," "Red Over White," "Coal Mind," "We Fall," "Tattoo," "(There's a) Planet in My Kitchen," "The Humming Wires," "An Execution," "Lullaby," "Shooting Sun," "Sleepwalking (On the High Wire)"...I could go on (and probably will as I continute to relisten to this).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link

"She's Cuckoo," "Something Blue" (man, that guitar part!)...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago) link

"An Execution" is total genius, as is "Pulled To Bits".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago) link

And finally hearing the Thorn EP is a treat.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 17 January 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be the only fan of gloss to have disliked "Face to Face" since 1992. Stephen Hague + the Banshees didn't pair well.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 September 2024 14:20 (two days ago) link

It’s great at the goth club. And the b-sides were pretty fun too

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 20 September 2024 16:34 (two days ago) link

I came around on tunafish sandwiches and still love listening to The Lords Prayer …

sarahell, Saturday, 21 September 2024 05:50 (yesterday) link

I bought Hyæna and Tinderbox around the time of release, saw the Through the Looking Glass tour and opening for David Bowie at Angel Stadium Glass Spider. But none of that comes close to Siouxsie and the Banshees - Juju poll

Bee OK, Saturday, 21 September 2024 06:17 (yesterday) link

Been a SATB fan since I first saw the video for "The Passenger" on 120 Minutes in the 80s (didn't even know that it was an Iggy cover yet), but somehow I'd just never gotten around to listening to 'The Rapture' until I heard "Stargazer" on a "vintage alternative"-type radio show. Now I've heard it and think it's great! I guess that was a quality effort to sign off with, and I might think it's even a click or two better than 'Superstition.'

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 21 September 2024 15:40 (yesterday) link

Definitely. Rapture was good but their time had passed. Superstition is the only low point in their discography

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 21 September 2024 16:11 (yesterday) link

Also, Downside Up is the best b-side 4xCD box. I’ll fight with it in the reissue goth war

If I could second this.

Definitely. Rapture was good but their time had passed. Superstition is the only low point in their discography

Of the two times I saw them, Lolla 91 was good but yeah I remember thinking that beyond a couple of killer singles that was an uneven effort to be touring for, putting it mildly. But I did see The Rapture tour stop at the Wiltern and that was really lovely -- the songs from that album killed live, the overall setlist and crowd vibes were great. It kinda put a pin in everything just so, so I never bothered with the reunion. (Did see the Creatures with John Cale a few years later and that was a fine addendum, though I do regret not seeing the Boomerang tour in 1990.)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 September 2024 16:22 (yesterday) link

Downside Up is fantastic - I listen to CD1 of that more than most actual Banshees albums though the other discs are almost as great.

The Rapture is a top five Banshees CD imo

you can see me from westbury white horse, Saturday, 21 September 2024 16:24 (yesterday) link

Feels like Superstition was their (weak) attempt to break the American mainstream, while Rapture was them saying fuck it (would also reflected in the set lists of both tours).

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 21 September 2024 18:16 (yesterday) link

I love Shadowtime. Also love love love the b-sides Staring Back and Return. Great memories of Dear Prudence on the first Lollapalooza tour at sunset.

Psychocandy Apple Grey (Pyschocandles), Sunday, 22 September 2024 06:51 (three hours ago) link


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