Hiphop? DefJux - No. Anticon - No. Lex - No. So??? [The Recommend Me Some Undie Rap Treehouse-- Admin]

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aaah mencap beat me to it.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:05 (twenty-two years ago)

no it doesn't matter at all nathan - i like it fine and am quite happy with it not being hip hop but still a bit hip hoppy and good and not like 50 cent and still liking it and dre not having produced it and still thinking it's good and not feeling bad about the fact that i might be seen as being "indie" and, oh, fuck it ... *slumps on floor*

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:06 (twenty-two years ago)

for the record, i wasn't saying you should never be allowed to review another record again, scott.

Ha! i probably shouldn't though, dave.I'm old and slow and i still listen to Steady B records. and for the record, i don't hate def jux even though i didn't like el-p's album. i realize that places like that take risks and every once in a while are gonna come up with great stuff.
jed, i heard talkin' honky blues. and i really like it.

― scott seward, Friday, 7 November 2003 17:07 (twenty-two years ago)

a couple years ago I lived with a friend who was really really into Anticon stuff and played it constantly, I still have nightmares about it. I'm afraid that old Native Tongues stuff is about as 'indie' as my taste in hip hop is willing to go, at least that stuff is fun.

people will likely laugh me out of the thread for saying so, but I really like Cex's rap records. he has a lot to say that I identify with, and usually does it in a compelling way, and his skills really aren't lacking, at least by undie standards. more importantly, he actually has a personality, which I haven't been able to find in most of the guys mentioned in this thread.

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:12 (twenty-two years ago)

scott check out "Square" (genius)and "Man Overboard" if you want something to download try "the centaur" and "precipitation". ALSO if you can go see Buck65 live - its a delicious experience.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:15 (twenty-two years ago)

"Vertex" is f**king class too!

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

If you're looking for other backpacker type stuff, you could check out the Ozone (Def Jux's sister label) artists...Mike Ladd, Saul Williams, Sonic Sum, and Youngblood Brass Band, all of whom are great in their own way.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)

DM and Jemini is indeed a great album. Jay Z the black album, any Kanye West mixtape you can get your hands on, the newest Black Moon album, Obie Trice...if you're looking for stuff that doesn't rhyme "rapped" in an annoying voice to boring beats then hit up the anticon stuff most definitely.

― D Aziz (esquire1983), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:20 (twenty-two years ago)

Somewhere jess & ethan read this thread and cringe ha ha.

Y'know, sometimes "indie/undie" rappers' are actually fucking great MCs, like oh my god can it be possible?

That being said, I'd say about 50% of Anticon's Doseone's shit is on fucking POINT, but the other half is so convoluted it lacks almost any appeal whatsoever to anyone not wigging on acid. I'm not too big on Sole & the others, they seem to take the "write the words & figure out how they'll sound on the track later" approach, which kinda irks me personally, but to each their own, y'know?

My fav. Def Jukies right now are Mr. Lif and Cannibal Ox, both of 'em have very tight flow styles and are very solid lyricists, but El-P's production is and always will be one of my favorite things about the Jux shit.

On the Quannum end I think you gotta check out Lyrics Born first and foremost, he's very chameleonic in style (sometimes sounds like a grandpa other times like a party-preacher other times who knows what the fuck?) and ridiculously solid when it comes to freestyling and verses.

x-posts galore!

Mike Ladd's shit is fucking GREAT, the Infesticons/Majesticons concept albums he's put together are wicked.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Have you heard any of his shit from Welcome to the Afterfuture? Start with "Animist" and never look back.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:26 (twenty-two years ago)

i like lyrics when he's doing his granpa thing.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, Afterfuture is great. "5000 Miles" is slamming.

Nick, you should should check out Youngblood, you'd probably be most likely to dig it out of anyone I can think of on the board.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:35 (twenty-two years ago)

i was just gonna prove how out of it i am by asking everyone,"whatever happened to Styles Of Beyond?" and then i go to all music guide and find out that they have a brand new album out! who knew? and it's called Megadef!! has anyone heard it?

― scott seward, Friday, 7 November 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

anyone got that diverse 12" yet? lyrics born and rjd2 - it's stellar

― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I got the album dave - it's nice. And Scott, the new Styles Of Beyond is def. worth yr time. Ironically, the recently announced it would be there last 'indie' album.

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:43 (twenty-two years ago)

or even their last 'indie' album.

― Nathan W (Nathan Webb), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:44 (twenty-two years ago)

LYRICS BORN AND RJD2!?! woah < /keanu>

I'll check that ...Afterfuture out for sure, I think my buddy Kevin has it actually.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I was wondering...can we seriously consider Blackalicious undie/indie anymore now that they're on a major label?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Did Soul Position (that's RJD2's thing, right?) actually come out with a full-length? I've hardly heard anything about it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Nobody has mentioned Stones Throw. I bet that Charizma/PB Wolf album will be tight. But then, I still live in '98. I wish Fondle 'Em was still around.

― scott m (mcd), Friday, 7 November 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

thanks for the tip, nathan. i bought 2000 fold when it came out cuz it had divine styler on it(there-if trife does read this, now he really has a reason to laugh). i found this from L.A. Weekly. apparently indie rap is a mass grave. who knew?

Styles of Beyond first surfaced as darlings of the underground, and Megadef doesn’t
break from that tradition. But the attitude, ambition and appeal of the album clearly
suggest that SOB are gunning to reach more than just a cellarful of backpackers. Put a
raucous ripper like “Superstars” or the lolling charm of “Mr. Brown” up against recent
releases from the Def Jam or Roc-a-Fella labels, and SOB easily hold their own.

However, unlike forebears who made the journey from the minor leagues to the majors
— Jurassic 5, Blackalicious, Mos Def, et al. — SOB aren’t doing it with
consciousness-raising, feel-good anthems. To quote from “Pay Me”: “Hey/wanna free
Mumia?/then fine/but not on my time/punk, you must be out your mind.” Megadef is all
the better for dispensing with pleasantries and sticking to naked aggression.

Cheapshot says he hopes this is Styles of Beyond’s last independent album, and with
any luck, it will be. Unless you’re G-Unit, sponsored by Eminem, it’s harder and harder
to escape indie status. It’s like quicksand — the longer you stay in, the less probability
you’ll get out. That morass has become a mass grave for many of SOB’s peers, but this
group finally looks ready for prime time.

― scott seward, Friday, 7 November 2003 17:58 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yeah, I like the one Youngblood Brass Band album I have, which I bought because of the track with Kweli (hehe).

― Al (sitcom), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, I'd imagine that's pretty much how most people know about them. The new album is much better, btw.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Thing is, I heard Megadef and all it consisted of is pretty much "WE ARE AWESOME AND HAVE HUGE COCKS AND FUCK LOTS OF SLUTS AND ARE CERTAINLY NOT BACKPACKER FAGGOTS ANYMORE, F'REAL, WE WILL KILL J00". Take away Eminem's flow, charisma, humor, personality, self-deprecation and anything else he has going for him and it'd still be better than this. It's dollar-store Cage made by MCs so desperate to escape their past they'd probably go into a time machine and kill their younger selves if they could.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

(I like the beats though)

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:43 (twenty-two years ago)

that's kinda sad. 2000 fold wasn't anything like that. oh well. i still want to hear it. nate, do you like that latest buck 65 album?

― scott seward, Friday, 7 November 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

anticon is tops for me. then again, i don't care a whit about how much something keeps in step with what its genre's boundaries are supposed to be -- nor am i impressed by how "street" something is -- plus i am not a subscriber to the tyranny of the body and it's mechanistic requirements. (that said, I don't really like sole -- too prosaic, etc).
i like doseone, odd nosdam, alias, jel, etc for their out of control imaginations -- i like that fact that they aren't afraid to be dorks or geeks or whatever, a worth while counter balance to the machismo in much hip-hop (and that isnt an idictment of the machismo, which definitely should have its spot too). which isnt to say i dont like some def jux stuff either -- anticon is just closer to my heart (not always successful either, but at least they try different things and arent afraid to fall on their faces or held down by what "hiphop" is supposed to be (see trife)).

― jack cole (jackcole), Friday, 7 November 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Stones Throw, actually just anything with Madlib is always worth the money. The advance cd of the madvillian record that my roommate has is incredible. Apparently it is a bootleg and not the final mix, but as it is I think it is better than the Quasimoto record.

― Magic City (ano ano), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Buck 65's that canadian dude, right? (ha, that's an identity for ya; amg says he's from "Sackville"!) I haven't heard much of his stuff except for one where he rhymed over a beat from Pink Floyd's "Careful With That Axe, Eugene". That was neatish. I am somewhat wary of any album that has one song in seven parts but I'll give damn near anything a shot.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:01 (twenty-two years ago)

the amount of fear and sniping on this thread at absent "opponents" is sad, to say the least.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:21 (twenty-two years ago)

But you're here now, Sterling.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:22 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah but i'm not gonna be an opponent.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i think you're exaggerating it. or maybe taking it too personally.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:28 (twenty-two years ago)

are we all suffering post-traumatic trife syndrome?

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I've been trying to ignore it, personally. There's been just as much indie guilt to balance it out, anyway.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:31 (twenty-two years ago)

*cries*

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:32 (twenty-two years ago)

I never would have imagined but I started here ...

(who added that peculiarity to my subject line?)

as for why I thought the consensus seemed to be against these labels/suggestions I offer:

Anticon-Your Thoughts

What makes coFlow "avant-garde"?

Pitchfork Thought-Provocation Re: Themselves

I dunno... the whole point Was to ask for suggestions ... I've been away from Rap (!) for so long ..

― Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:38 (twenty-two years ago)

whatever that "peculiarity" means - the fact that someone put it on there kinda sucks and shows that someone has become rather too sensitive about the whole thing! sad, no?

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:43 (twenty-two years ago)

The Buck 65 album is good but I can't listen to the whole thing in one shot. Download "Wicked and Weird" or "Roses and Bluejays" for a sample. It's also worth checking out mcenroe's disenfranchised album at the Peanuts and Corn website.

― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:54 (twenty-two years ago)

anything i've heard by saul williams has been really good,and i like the clouddead album,but other than that i don't really know a lot of this type of music...
one of my friends gave me a copy of the cannibal ox album and the last el-p one though,so i'll give them a proper listen soon...

― robin (robin), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

the amount of fear and sniping on this thread at absent "opponents" is sad, to say the least.

Sniping? Maybe. Fear? Where?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 7 November 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

My only personal comment in those regards was cuz I've heard jess refer to Lyrics Born as one of the "worst rappers ever" and we've got a buncha praise for him up in here. Ethan I just know hates everything I love and vice versa*, I don't understand.

*except Twista and Cee-Lo though, apparently

As for the indie-guilt thing, I really don't have anything to say about that, but then I've seen far more offensive theories so I didn't really pay it too much mind.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

and anyway its not really usual for a moderator to add some kind of cryptic suffix to a thread title is it? nuts.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

yes it's rather immoderate isn't it?

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed vahid.

― jed (jed_e_3), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

I was going to mention Atmosphere but I've never actually heard them.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

hmmm ... maybe there's something to this treehouse thing after all. i have to note there's no girls allowed in the clubhouse apparently.

so i'll just throw out fannypack, northern state and princess superstar as my undie rap picks.

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(am i forgetting anybody? peaches DID NOT make the cut)

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Jean Grae!

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

actually i've been getting a feeling i might really like jean grae and buck 65 if i got around to it.

i really like some of the thirstin howl stuff i've heard, although its all depended on the quality of production he's got. "brooklyn hard rock" is fantastic!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 November 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

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hymie's BASEMENT goddamit

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:07 (twenty-two years ago)

1) I was joking
2) Still, it seems like a redundant/snotty way of talking down on underground hip-hop, about the same level as "backpacker", depending on the context
3) I don't like Hymie's Basement strickly 'cos I haven't heard it.
4) Couldn't stand cLOUDEAD, though Themselves had some good beats to redeem 'em.

― nate detritus (natedetritus), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:16 (twenty-two years ago)

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

Let's bring this one back too. Another year, more recommendations?

Was cLOUDDEAD's most recent as bad as I heard?

― Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not the one to talk to about Anticon, since I consider everything I've heard from them terrible.

Some of my fave undie for '04.

Azeem - Show Business (Bomb Hip Hop)
Haiku D'Etat - Coup De Theatre (Decon)
Murs - Murs 3:16, The 9th Edition (Def Jux)
Maroons (aka LAteef and the Chief) - Ambush ep (Quannum)
Shock G - Fear of a Mixed Planet (self released)

Wow, pretty Cali-oriented.

― Austin (Austin), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, although I'm sure everyone knows about them already, the various MF Doom projects and the new De La Soul - okay maybe not so undie as all that but whatevs, dude.

― Austin (Austin), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The perceptionists album has, reportedly, leaked.

― deej., Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

initiates soulseek query

― Austin (Austin), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

airborn audio (priest and sayyid of antipop consortium) is out in a month or so.
bright lights mp3

― superultramega (superultramarinated), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

God, I was so fucking annoying in 2003.

anyone got that diverse 12" yet? lyrics born and rjd2 - it's stellar

I have since acquired and fallen in love with this.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I have ILM mod priveleges even if I only intend to delete my own old, embarrassing posts?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

if you have access to a filesharing network, download this ammoncontact mix.

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 26 January 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

if you have to pick a lbel...it's gotta be Stones Throw. But really the best hip hop roster is Roc-A- Fella.

Jay-Z
Kanye West
Beanie Sigel
Freeway
Peedi Crack

Nobody's fuckin with that!

― Antonio DePietro, Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Can I have ILM mod priveleges even if I only intend to delete my own old, embarrassing posts?

haha take a place in line on that one.

― deej., Wednesday, 26 January 2005 20:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I think the second cLOUDDEAD album is really good. I’ve heard very little praise, but it’s quite gorgeous. Much less muddy than the first, and much more pretty melodies. They sing-rap a lot. The beats are crisp-dirty as opposed to slush-dirty, which I find an improvement. Much more condensed and catchy.

― Orange (Orange), Friday, 28 January 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

eighteen years pass...

i have been loving this era of hip hop this week.

recently (re)found my anticon collection (digital and real world), and yeah, it's dated, but i care not.
for a while i was all over the lex records/anticon team up fun.
not that i would class the Subtle stuff as hip hop, but still.

basically, stuff like this still makes me smile : madlib vs danger mouse vs mf doom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT14dw8l2-I

― mark e, Wednesday, 15 November 2023 18:36 (two years ago)

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