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So, I've got clouddead (My personal favourite), Boom Bip, Fog...Thinking about getting the Themselves album. Is there any other essential releases out there that I should hear?

And is it possible to listen to stuff like this forever? Or do you eventually start to get nauseous?

Big Hogleg, Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

deep puddle dynamics.

your null fame (yournullfame), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

i got nauseous pretty much right away. some of it's tolerable, and I'd probably like more of it if I heard it for the first time now, but...i maintain a lot of skepticism.

Al (sitcom), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

i got nauseous pretty much right away. some of it's tolerable, and I'd probably like more of it if I heard it for the first time now, but...i maintain a lot of skepticism.

JasonD (JasonD), Thursday, 5 December 2002 17:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

IT'S ALL SHIT

actually i remember hearing that themselves album and liking it. any info on dose one's supposed battle with eminem back in the day? anyone heard that "circle" album?

brains (cerybut), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've seen Alias and Themselves live and they were both great.

Don't know if enjoy sitting at home and listening to them over and over again though.

meirion john lewis (mei), Thursday, 5 December 2002 18:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

I heard bits of the Sage Francis album and liked it loads.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

jason and al have a remarkably similar take . . . i like the themselves I've heard and am going to see the whole gang this friday.

dan (dan), Thursday, 5 December 2002 19:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh my god, the gold chains ep really suck. i hadn't expected that.
heard it, anyone?

Jay K (Jay K), Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Isn't Gold Chains Tigerbeat6?

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I really dig that Themselves record. Alot. I love the organicness of the arrangements, and how it takes very unpredictable but totally natural-sounding turns with the structure. Plus, they've got hella dynamics.

I don't understand why it would make you nauseous. ???

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh yeah, "Big Hog Leg"...great F'n moniker!...I could go for one right now. :D

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 5 December 2002 20:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

All I know is Buck 65's "The Centaur" is brilliant.

And so is the Gold Chains EP, tho it's not as good as the first one.

Adam A. (Keiko), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'd just like to point out that they have a compilation unironically entitled _Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop_.

Clarke B., Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

any info on dose one's supposed battle with eminem back in the day?

I heard that this is true - around '97 or '98 - and they both lost to some other guy.

He talks about it here.

I'd just like to point out that they have a compilation unironically entitled _Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop_.

You know, the one thing I hate is rappers who are self-aggrandizing.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

"I love the organicness of the arrangements, and how it takes very unpredictable but totally natural-sounding turns with the structure"

Judging by the little Anticon that I've heard, I'd say the exact opposite -- their structural manipulations are totally predictable because they rely so heavily on the notion that progress in an artform is made by tweaking the most salient, obvious aspects of sound (time signatures, etc.). For this reason, I think the turns they take feel unnatural and forced -- they come across as trying too hard to prove to everyone how avant-garde they are.

Clarke B., Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, but I think that's self-aggrandizing in a very ugly way, made all the uglier by virtue of it being cloaked in a phrase that seems to be purely aesthetic.

Clarke B., Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clarke, have you heard "The Centaur"?!?

Adam A. (Keiko), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Clarke, if it's worth anything at all, I've heard them express embarrassment over that comp title on at least two separate instances.

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also: Adam, Buck 65 isn't a full-fledged Anticon member so he may not be the best choice if you're looking to fly the flag...

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah haha, when I said "All I know is..." I meant it.

Adam A. (Keiko), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

So who won that Scribble Jam if neither Sole nor Eminem took it anyway?

mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who won Scribble Jam

Juice.

I used to work with Doseone at Amoeba. He's a nice guy.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 5 December 2002 21:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to rate them. But I put on Deep Puddle the other day and couldn't really stomach it, either too earnest, or too skin-deep ironic and cynical and so forth. I wasn't impressed too much by clouddead last year and Themselves this year either. Lo-fi organic branch-out beats and stream-of-consciousness babble are increasingly not my thing i suppose. They should get over their SP12s and face-value introversion. That said I'm afraid i actually liked that thing the Tortoise (!) guy produced for them, of all things.

Buck65's alright, def. eccentric anyway. I liked Vertex and Man Overboard from what i remember. It's endearing sort of that this weird aging Canadian film/baseball enthusiast would double as a hip hop purist and just put what he felt down. I haven't heard his recent Square yet, anybody know whatsup with it?

Honda (Honda), Thursday, 5 December 2002 23:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh and as for Dose, search Them and Circle over the recent stuff. The latter being the most prog-hop ever and the former coming closest to aligning the eh poetry weirdness with a decent spine.

Honda (Honda), Thursday, 5 December 2002 23:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Do they actually do some odd-time signature hip-hop stuff? If so I'd like to know where, because I've heard very few people do that sort of thing well (Mission: and the Roots have) but still have hope that it can be done.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 6 December 2002 04:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

I do odd time sig hip-hop. It sucks, but it's in odd time sigs.

If yer bored, you can hear it on my IUMA site...

http://nickaliscious.iuma.com

I think I took "Roland Kirk's Funeral" off there (it's in 7/8), but I believe "People With Plans" is still on that page (it's in 5/4).

Okay, I'll shut-up now. Sorry for the plug, I had to do it, just this once.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 6 December 2002 14:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

And as for Dose One/Themselves...I don't know about all these claims of "cerebral" this and "forced" that, but I know it makes me bob my head, and it makes me feel a variety of emotions. That's all I give a damn about.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 6 December 2002 14:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

In addition to what has been said before: Jel's Greenball is very very nice. 10 Seconds also sounds great but I haven't bought it yet.

(By the way: the Jel that visits this board is not "the" Jel, is he?)

I also have odd nosdam's No More Wig For Ohio, which is OK but not fantastic. From what I've heard, plan9 is better.

Orange, Friday, 6 December 2002 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
As a fellow Hip Hop obsessed and addled white kid from the burbs my feelings are the production is Ace, The lyrical tech..ehh.

--fo0 (Hayden), Monday, 10 February 2003 09:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i like them on principle

zemko (bob), Monday, 10 February 2003 11:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

An extremely useful primer is this:

http://www.diyhiphop.com/GIF/anticon_photo.jpg

Just enough Dose One to impress, not so much that his voice makes you want to chuck your hi-fi out of the nearest window. And lots of other excellent stuff too.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

ps. the Themselves album is rub, boring, boring, clever-clever rub, but rub nonetheless.

Charlie (Charlie), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 04:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

but as nickalicious says above, the themselves album is the one wih the least obtrusive anticon feel!

zemko (bob), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 13:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

"If so I'd like to know where, because I've heard very few people do that sort of thing well"

Nas' "Heaven" is in 6/8 I believe.

Save for a few songs, Anticon is dud, IMO. And, regardless of whether or not it was ironic, _Music for the Advancement of Hip-Hop_ is an incrediably inappropriate title given Anticon's place in hip hop.

S>C>, Tuesday, 11 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, 6/8 isn't odd but it's odd for hip-hop. The Arsonists and Outkast have done it too (even though one of them just raps in four over The Whole World, which used to bother me a lot, I think it's Big Boi) but the rapping on Heaven may be better than those.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 February 2003 19:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

nine months pass...
The Pedestrian (in an interview from urbansmarts.com): And that whatever success we had in reaching people would simply be one concentrated contribution to opening up the general conception of rap. Instead, rock critics and message board types have spent years bickering over whether we're hip-hop or not, and sad, angry rappers have wasted countless verses dissing us. Frankly, I miss my early illusion that Anticon was striking out on behalf of underground, underappreciated, and experimental rap.

Bosse-De-Nage (Bosse-De-Nage), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:10 (twenty years ago) link

I heard bits of the Sage Francis album and liked it loads.

Sage Francis released his first album on Anticon. He's not a member of anticon, the Non-Prophets was released on Warp/Lex and he's currently signed to do three solo albums with Epitaph. So he's hardly an anticon rapper. Especially since his own steez hardly fits in with the whole anticon aesthetic.

As for anticon....

i got nauseous pretty much right away. some of it's tolerable, and I'd probably like more of it if I heard it for the first time now, but...i maintain a lot of skepticism.

ddrake, Tuesday, 18 November 2003 19:25 (twenty years ago) link

the hrvatski remix of themselves on the wire tapper cd (came w/ the oct issue of the wire) is really, really good. it's not hard to find online.

dan (dan), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

I wish I still liked The No Music. as much as I did this time last year.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

However, I heard a song of theirs I hadn't heard for a long time yesterday that was killer, it was called "Birdman" or something birdish.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

However, I heard a song of theirs I hadn't heard for a long time yesterday that was killer, it was called "Birdman" or something birdish

"The Birdcatcher's Return"? That was the single off Boom Bip and Doseone's Circle.

Chris Dahlen (Chris Dahlen), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

Ding! Yes! That song is pretty friggin sick.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

i think the Themselves Live CD is the best thing they've done -- much more raw and dirtier.

jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:43 (twenty years ago) link

Man, I saw Themselves open for the Notwist a few months ago and they were vicious live.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Tuesday, 18 November 2003 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

eight months pass...
I like the Dosh album I got in the mail. Pure Trash. I've only played it once though. We'll see if it sticks to my ribs. diy/basementbeats/ambient/nurseryrhyme/we're-having-a-baby/lifecycle/concept album shit. you know. sounded nice. clouddead would still make my topten if'n i had to pick 10 righthere rightnow.

scott seward (scott seward), Thursday, 12 August 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

two years pass...
I got a new Dosh album in the mail. It's actually perfect 'early morning and I don't want to work but this is soundtracking my slowly waking up at work' music.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 17 January 2007 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link

five years pass...

Used to love this lot but have been feeling lately that either I've changed or they have. Love Why? But there hasn't been any new music from them since '09. Really liked that Themselves mix tape from the same year, but the official album that followed was a letdown. Last years 13 & God record was meh. Now there's a new Doseone solo record and I'm not feeling it at all.

Seriously, five years ago I thought this collective was making some of the most interesting music on the planet, but now it already feels a bit stale. Anyone wanna rep for some newish Anticon stuff?

to welcome jer.fairall, pie is served. (jer.fairall), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link

one year passes...

I've had a strong urge to listen to that Clouddead comp lately...

☞ (brimstead), Monday, 2 December 2013 01:10 (ten years ago) link

seven years pass...

been loving Subtle today, so started digging around for my other Anticon related stuff.

think a lot of the Anticon stuff i have has not aged too badly at all, eg Non Prophets, Buck 65, Themselves remix album, Subtle all still sound good to me.

but, how is it i had no idea re Alias, that news totally passed me by.

mark e, Saturday, 17 April 2021 17:20 (three years ago) link

yeah that was sad

I'm acquaintances with some people who were involved in this label, but not enough to get into details, but I've heard asides about how Anticon was 'ruined' but don't know what they're referring to. Was there an ownership change that fucked something up? Are they even still active?

akm, Saturday, 17 April 2021 20:16 (three years ago) link

the website seems to imply that nothing has happened since the death of Alias.
even at the time i did wonder re the whole thing re Lex taking over so much of the Anticon crew.
but i would like to think that the Lex vs Anticon thing was done for the benefit of all.

mark e, Saturday, 17 April 2021 20:26 (three years ago) link


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