should i give the grateful dead a chance?

Weir hates tie-dye fyi

the garcia in my mind isn't tie-die though. that guy is black as death.

Black Jerry

two posts after apologizing for using bigoted language!!!!

that's not even funny as far as willful misinterpretation goes.

He wasnt black, I( think he was of Spanish descent.

woah, settle down, just a bit of fun.

he was talking to me TM; I'm sorry

Black Peter

I clicked on this just to read Kate's post at the top again. Still OTM

It's possibly one of the worsts posts ive seen on ILM.

yeah, pretty bad. i like this one though
A: "Hey, what are you listening to?"
B: "Oh, it's, uh, Kremlin Tiger Flower, uh, 2506. Have you heard them before?"
A: "Hmmm, it sounds familiar."
B: "They're a Japanese noise band from the '70s. Original LPs are like $500 on Ebay, but, uh, this label out of Amsterdam just reissued their album and I got it from Forced Exposure."
A: "Oh, yeah, I've heard of that...wow, this is awesome. It sounds like Sonic Youth or the Dead C or something."
B: "Yeah, I can hear that, I guess."
A: (listens) "Totally. Sonic Youth is totally ripping these guys off."
(pause)
B: "Actually, I'm just fucking with you. It's a Dead bootleg, they're doing 'Feedback'."
A: "It's a Dead C bootleg? Wow, this is, like, the best stuff I've ever heard from them. How'd you get -- "
B: "No, no, it's the Grateful Dead."
A: (runs screaming from the room, snarky hipster credibility permanently ruined)

^I remember that! That was great!

Bertha (Skull and Roses)
He's Gone (EUROPE '72)
Jack Straw (EUROPE '72)
Brown-Eyed Women (EUROPE '72)

Wharf Rat (Skull and Roses)
Ramble On Rose (EUROPE '72)
Tennessee Jed (EUROPE '72)

i listen to this playlist and pretend it's the greatest dead studio album

^^^^

So what? SY and the Dead C are nearly as bad as the Dead (not as interminable tho') -You'd never mistake the Dead for someone, you know, good. Like when they try to play 'Jazz' or R n'B or Country, it never sounds like anything halfway acceptable in those fields: it just sounds like the Dead: out of tune, out of time, terrible singing and it goes on, and on,and on......

might just have to agree to disagree? (about the dead and the dead c)

(& sonic youth)

That is a good playlist, Mizzell.

holy shit someone on a message board doesn't like the Grateful Dead, this is ~important~ & will ~make a difference~

Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out-take from 1973...

I'm gonna let you guys in on a big secret: the Dead were just a bunch of dirty hippies

YES, I SAID IT

Mods plz change thread title to: Dr. Suggestban, Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Dead

"Without wishing to sound too alt snooty, Ghost and esp. Acid Mothers Temple do the whole folk-psych rock jam thing w/ so much more passion, imagination and freaky fun."

I like Ghost but still, lol

"You'd never mistake the Dead for someone, you know, good."-I'm Street but I Know my Roots (sonofstan), Tuesday, April 19, 2011 5:25 PM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

You'd never mistake your opinion for anything other than, you know, shitty.

Dead fans, eh, don't like it up 'em.....

one man gathers what another man spills

Lol otm!

I clicked on this just to read Kate's post at the top again. Still OTM

If you claim to like garage rock, and you think that the first Dead album consists of uninspired hippie stoner jams, then I call bullshit on you ever having listened to it.

B: "Oh, it's, uh, Kremlin Tiger Flower, uh, 2506. Have you heard them before?"

Haha, probably works the other way around too. "Hey have you heard this Dead bootleg?" "Ugh, this sucks, I hate the Grateful Dead. This is so boring." "jk, this is that rare japanese psych reissue you were raving about last week"

most dead haters in my experience are kinda like yr dad saying how bad vegetarian food tastes i.e. they haven't really got much of an idea about what they're talking about but they like the pose they strike when they say it

i'm not big on the dead but i think jerry is such a great singer, his voice always sounds sad and tired and wise and lonely to me

tbh, the episode where lindsay weir listens to american beauty on freaks and geeks really made me want to become a deadhead

!

I am pretty sure I have never, in God knows how many years of talking about music w/ppl, run across "I don't dig the dead but I like the way Jerry Garcia sings" - this is a really novel take for real!!

my friend said to me, "man you love the Band, check out Europe 72" & that's what it took for me. I can see that if you're really hot on what's ~Outttt There~ in the 21st century that the Dead are gonna seem kinda stodgy---I get that pose, is what I'm saying (even if it means great things are closed off to you on account of that pose)

american beauty sort of is the best album of all time though, in the right mood.

I'm rocking disc 2 of Harpur College 5/2/70 & the back door's open 'cause it's warm out & the neighbors got the bbq goin and life is fucking awesome

I didn't know anything about the Dead except for what I had heard from ex-Bill Graham staffers about how annoying the fans and hangers on and everything that *goes* with the Dead was, so I had this image that I would hate their godawful hippie stylings.

But after I sought out Workingman's Dead and American Beauty a couple of years ago, I was glad I'd taken the time to prove myself wrong. Really, really, truly love the studio albums.

have a few Deadhead friends who insist "live bootlegs are where it's at" but I think I need recommendations from non-Deadheads or, I dunno, non-koolaid drinkers to send me down that path...because it seems like that way leads to madness, and there's SO many!!

I mean it's saying something that I'm a PJ fan and I'm mortified by the amount of Dead bootlegs and live shit around :D

also as a footnote to that, I learned that the BGP staffers I knew all actually did *like* Dead music, and could sing along to just about anything you threw at them with a faint smile on their face...but it was all the Deadhead baggage that had screwed them up

we had a thread about this I think. Get Harpur College, Europe '72, & Cornell, and go from there if you get addicted, I think.

ya, this thread has some good suggestions: Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

def check out Veneta Fairground, 8/27/72 too...there's a lot of classics in 1972 but that August 27th show is just stellar, both sides of the band in full bloom.

vegemitegrrl, this thread gets bumped regularly, there's plenty of live material there.

Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

elsewhere on ilx though, a bunch of people have discredited the "only live albums plus american beauty/workingman's dead" listening axis and pretty much acknowledged that the later studio albums have a lot of merit.

multiple xps

re. Jerry's singing & later Dead studio stuff, I've been bumping this a bunch recently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw96J8_HC8I

most dead haters in my experience are kinda like yr dad saying how bad vegetarian food tastes i.e. they haven't really got much of an idea about what they're talking about but they like the pose they strike when they say it

FWIW it's worth, I'm pretty sure I've heard every legit Dead release up to about Blues for Allah, and have owned a few of them, hoodwinked by the you like X, therefore... line of argument, and because I can't resist cheap vinyl, and every once in a while I think, just maybe, there's something there...... like, I love the Band and the Burritos and even like the first NRPS record, a lot, so W/man's Dead and American Beauty ought to be nailed on for me right? wrong - it may be country rock, but it's not very good country rock and the singing and playing is terrible - or the 'you like all that Miles live stuff from the early seventies, well you'll love Live Dead, or whatever' well no: 10 seconds of Can, from any record, pisses over any -indeed all - of the Dead's supposed adventures.

But hey, someone is going to come on and say....

Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out-take from 1973...

Dude, no, you have to hear this most ultimate jam session that they did on this super-rare collectible live bootleg out-take from 1973...

(but for real, it's ok if you don't like the dead! IT'S OK)

^^^^
I know, just avoiding work here.

like, I love the Band and the Burritos and even like the first NRPS record

if you love this and hate the dead then yeah yr posing because you enjoy hating the dead. it's cool I'm the same way w/the Beatles

some of their stuff is pretty good. but there is too much of it, which I think is my problem, so the signal to noise ratio is pretty bad.

the same could be said of the fall, I guess, but I like them more.

fuckin A on Harpur College even like you get to "Dancing in the Streets" and the Weir vocal is just painfully bad and you think, ok you know what, this set has run outta steam, game over, you guys can't make a silk purse out of the hammy shit you pulled in the first five minutes here and then the band gets loose and the solo connects with scorpio or whatever constellation it is it's pulling its energy from and it's like the pretty meh exercise that got you there was a formal necessity, like Homer talking about dawn with its ruby-red fingers and all that who-cares biz that suddenly lands you in the middle of the ocean with a Odysseus and his men and they're all living breathing creatures and you can feel the sun they're waking up in and smell the ocean air and it's just fuckin

just good is what