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I really don't like "Can You Forgive Her?" It pales in comparison to "I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of Thing", "Yesterday When I Was Mad", "One And One Make Five" and "Liberation (E Smoove mix)".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

dan has surprised me.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

He has sorta surprised me, but please keep in mind one of his few moments of mentalism in an otherwise sane existence is his bizarre insistence that Introspective has only one good song on it, "I'm Not Scared." (Which is very good indeed but IS NOT ALONE.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like "Go West", either.

It's odd because I really adore most of their stuff (I loved _Release_, for example, and think "Home And Dry" is genius) but there are certain things that really, really aggravate me, like "Domino Dancing", "Always On My Mind", "Can You Forgive Her?", and "Go West", but those things are greatly overshadowed by the fact that most of their tracks are as great as "Se A Vida E (Deep Dish Mix)" or "The Boy Who Couldn't Keep His Clothes On" or every version of "I Want A Dog" that doesn't appear on _Introspective_.

(xpost RAISE YOUR STANDARDS, PSB FANS)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:15 (twenty-one years ago)

You only don't like Domino Dancing because you're American!
(yes, I'm being flip)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

DAN, IS YOUR BLOOD BOILING?!?!?!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I maintain that if "Don Juan" had been the single and "Domino Dancing" had been the b-side, I would have had a completely different reaction to _Introspective_ (besides "I'm Not Scared", most of the other tracks on it either aren't that bad or have versions elsewhere that I love but proximity to/association with "Domino Dancing" makes that entire package like Kryptonite to me).

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

whoa "Always On My Mind" is stunning, as is "Can You Forgive Her".

other favourites-
"Love Comes Quickly"
"So Hard"
"West End Girls" (obviously)
"Kings Cross"

I could go on, and on. best band ever.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

**I don't like "Go West", either.**

WHAAAATTT??? This is madness. Holy shit, that track is so utterly great.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

yes I have to agree.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

See, I agree with the last four songs you listed, Ronan! ESPECIALLY "Love Comes Quickly" and "King's Cross"! There are just certain PSB tracks that I can't get my head around.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

can you forgive her makes me want to punch things. that's a good thing.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I think there's an invisible line in my head between "outrageously clever" and "pretentiously pandering" and the PSB songs I dislike go over that line in some vague, undefined way.

I also know that part of my issue with _Introspective_ is the super-heavy hand of Shep Pettibone.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

(an ILX poll of PSB songs is in the works, obv)

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

are they the stereotypical ILXors favourite band?

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:26 (twenty-one years ago)

Pretty damned close. That or the Junior Boys. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Anyway:

(xpost HONOR THE FEY! Er.)

I have to hurt you now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

My work here is done!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

...or the Dismemberment Plan, or Annie From Norway, or Lene Nystrom, or Luomo, or Saint Etienne, or Pulp, or Ricardo Villalobos, or...

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Annie, Villalobos and Luomo are not actually bands.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:35 (twenty-one years ago)

But only five people on here like Lene, Marcello! (PSB and Pulp are my favourite 80s and 90s artists and I'm not even a typical ILMer)

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:37 (twenty-one years ago)

but they're ALL WHITE!

i smell heavy handed ILX racism at work

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:38 (twenty-one years ago)

(xpost about Lene)

Six if you count me. Play With Me is a superb metapop album.

Acid Alliteration, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

...or Jay-Z, or Ludacris, or Teedee Moses, or Saul Williams, or Destiny's Child, or...

Marcello "Acid Alliteration" Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

BACK TO PET SHOP BOYS

Is anyone else happy like I am that they've released the DVD of their Behaviour tour? Especially since I missed it. When they played LA. In 1991. When I was out of town that week. And couldn't catch them. WHEN THEY PLAYED WHAT WAS APPARENTLY ONE OF THEIR BEST SHOWS ON THE TOUR ACCORDING TO PET SHOP BOYS VERSUS AMERICA. But I digress.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

At some point, when I'm very very good and actually own a DVD player, I will purchase that.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Behaviour tour - Wembley Arena - highlight of one's life

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Surely you don't find Go West to be 'pretentious pandering', Dan? It's absolutely *pure* in execution and delivery - and goes right to the heart of what maked the PSBs so great. It's just a huge gush of emotion.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As opposed to the group Go West, who certainly could be categorised as "pretentious pandering."

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:44 (twenty-one years ago)

And the video for "Go West"! My goodness, it's perfect stuff.

But Marcello, we close our eyes.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

And you are the kings of wishful thinking, too.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I smell a new thread...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, even better! And Dave Q started it, bless the man!

Taking Sides:Go West vs. Wang Chung

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

And Mr. Carmody started this brilliantly titled one:

So come on Pinefox, what *do* you see in Go West?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:49 (twenty-one years ago)

**I smell a new thread... **

Don't try it!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Already tried!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

_Very_ is the soundtrack of my freshman year at college - first time living alone and on my own. Growing up rather quickly in many senses of the phrase (and as horribly ridiculous and corny as this is going to sound) it's also the sound of me finding my place in the world... As an individual, as an adult, as a homosexual male - trying to balance new feelings with rational thoughts, wanting to break down stereotypes but still flirting with natural tendencies to finally identify with some sort of a "community". First love, first breakups, loss of innocence in a very real sense of the word... and all through it there was Neil and Chris soundtracking my world with a sort of forboding knowledge and guiding hand of experience. Those lyrics, those melodies, that CRAZY POUNDING DISCO BEAT!

It's still my favorite. Though the older I grow, Behavior is starting to sorta creep into my psyche and wedge itself in at a close #1.5

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't like "Go West", either

this is pure insanity. There's a desperation in neil's voice that is particularly sad. The only quibble I *may* be able to come up with is the sax solo.

whoa. xposts out the wazoo.

john'n'chicago, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually thinking about Very I'm still amused how Dan was annoyed I didn't tell him earlier how good "Yesterday When I Was Mad" is. SILLY BOY I HAD BEEN SINGING THE ALBUM'S PRAISES FOR A LONG WHILE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

It's the men's chorus in "Go West" that kills it for me. There are several ways that "I Don't Know What You Want..." and "New York City Boy" hit the same style of anthemic fist-pumping majesty without have a constipated glee club farting in the background.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:34 (twenty-one years ago)

(Also Ned, you didn't actually say anything explicit about how the album version of "Yesterday When I Was Mad" is completely, utterly batshit insane. You also don't mention "One And One Make Five".)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Also Ned, you didn't actually say anything explicit about how the album version of "Yesterday When I Was Mad" is completely, utterly batshit insane

Fine fine, go ahead and nitpick. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

xp: Is anyone else happy like I am that they've released the DVD of their Behaviour tour?

I am deliriously happy about this, as it was recorded at the very same Birmingham NEC concert that I attended in 1991.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 11 November 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

the extras on the dvd of PERFORMANCE are priceless, esp. chris heath's interview with the boys during rehearsals.
also the booklet of the dvd is the *actual tour brochure* from 1991! ace!

they still wouldn't let them use 'cant take my eyes off you' though it says it's on the disc on the box, it actually isnt on the disc. if u get me.

piscesboy, Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

Oh dear. "Love etc" is on the internet.

It's a stinker.

what you know about hat? I know all about hat. (edwardo), Friday, 6 February 2009 00:40 (seventeen years ago)

"A stinker's" a bit too much. I'd say it's good some good bits and some parts that really don't work. Like the first verse.

daavid, Friday, 6 February 2009 03:46 (seventeen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7879322.stm

Boring Sign In Name (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 11 February 2009 01:23 (seventeen years ago)

it's great. it wipes the floor with BEFORE or I'M WITH STUPID as a first single off an album to name two. lovely artwork too.

piscesx, Wednesday, 11 February 2009 02:02 (seventeen years ago)

it's good I think, not a stinker by any means. agree with daavid that the start/first verse doesn't quite work but after that I think it's pretty great

Local Garda, Sunday, 22 February 2009 15:39 (seventeen years ago)

"I remember on Pop Idol, Pete Waterman told someone, very sympathetically, 'The thing is, you're more of a Depeche Mode kind of artist.' In other words, 'What are you doing here, pet?'

He's so right. I wish they'd kick Simon Cowell's ass.

u s steel, Sunday, 22 February 2009 15:48 (seventeen years ago)

the Weller one is fantastic.

piscesx, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 22:39 (eight months ago)

Was always a bit let down that their supposed 'guitar' album Release wasn't rockist enough

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 30 September 2025 23:05 (eight months ago)

Their version of "I'm in Love with a German Film Star" was a surprising failure. On paper it sounds like it should work brilliantly, but the actual results were as flat as a pancake.

Vast Halo, Wednesday, 1 October 2025 08:52 (eight months ago)

one month passes...

PSB are excited to announce “Obscure Pet Shop Boys”, a special run of five intimate shows in April 
2026 at London’s Electric Ballroom. The concerts will feature a setlist of non-single album tracks, b-sides and fan favourites. Full details to be revealed here this Wednesday, 12th November.

nashwan, Monday, 10 November 2025 10:18 (six months ago)

sounds fun!

LocalGarda, Monday, 10 November 2025 12:40 (six months ago)

That would be so fun rather than a typical hit-leaning show.

the way out of (Eazy), Monday, 10 November 2025 23:28 (six months ago)

yeah I would love that, when I saw Sparks it was that kind of setlist - not that they really have that many 'hits', but it was stuffed with deep cuts and so many tracks I'd never even consider they'd whip out, made it so much fun

frogbs, Monday, 10 November 2025 23:32 (six months ago)

That sounds amazing.

"Play 'Your Funny Uncle'!", the audience cried. "Searching for the Face of Jesus!", a small faction demanded.

Fed up with your constant and uniform motion (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 07:51 (six months ago)

Fingers crossed this becomes a small venues tour. Might live to regret not making the trip to London though.

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 10:43 (six months ago)

Chris doing One of the Crowd would surely raise the roof.

piscesx, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 14:02 (six months ago)

I was just listening to Alternative this weekend and wondering why they didn’t do a tour like this so I of course take full credit for this happening

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 14:46 (six months ago)

I get excited (ILM gets excited too)!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 14:55 (six months ago)

perhaps my favorite PSB chorus - "Miserablism...is is...and isn't isn't"

they really oughta repress the Alternative 3xLP, the people are clamoring for it, also as I recall the later B-sides collection called Format was pretty good as well?

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 15:01 (six months ago)

There's been some speculation in this thread, I see

There were a couple deep cuts when I saw them on the Fundamental tour, "Shopping" a particularly fun one. This tour is a phenomenal idea

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 17:20 (six months ago)

I would love to see Shopping, it’s been one of my faves since 1987! Occasionally used as background music on telly, over a montage of rampant 1980s consumerism.

Madchen, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 17:38 (six months ago)

Yeah, terrific version on the 2006 tour. They played "Two Divided By Zero" in 2009!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 17:41 (six months ago)

Nice, would have loved to see that! They played "Dreaming of the Queen" on the 2006 tour as well, which was the biggest surprise for me, but I don't think it fully worked live

Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 19:04 (six months ago)

Lost my shit when they played 'Two Divided By Zero' at Primavera 2010 (also for 'Why Don't We Live Together?')

nashwan, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:08 (six months ago)

The latter is my favorite PSB song.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:09 (six months ago)

Raisin' the literal negroni in my hand rn to you

nashwan, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:41 (six months ago)

idk why this is but every time I visit Mexico I hear multiple Pet Shop Boys songs out in the wild...while downtown or in restaurants or whatever...they really love 'em there

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 20:45 (six months ago)

yes Format was also great, and not just because it opened with their best B-side ever

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 21:58 (six months ago)

When I saw them in 1991, the deep cuts included "My October Symphony", "I'm Not Scared", "We All Feel Better in the Dark", "So Sorry, I Said" and yes, "Your Funny Uncle".

Also, the encore began with Neil arriving alone onstage with an acoustic guitar to perform the first verse of "Always on My Mind".

Vast Halo, Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:08 (six months ago)

^^ released on VHS and laserdisc, remastered and expanded on DVD with a commentary track from Chris, Neil and Chris Heath

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 22:59 (six months ago)

I get a zillion times more mileage out of Format than one might have predicted during the era covered, given that my attentiveness to even their A-sides had really dropped away through the post-imperial period. I was a fool around the turn of the century, basically.

Fed up with your constant and uniform motion (Nag! Nag! Nag!), Tuesday, 11 November 2025 23:18 (six months ago)

Just tried to pre-order the announced book Volume as a means of getting priority for the gig but it's rejecting my payment details ugh.

nashwan, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 10:52 (six months ago)

there’s a no-purchase-necessary link here

https://npn.wmx.co/petshopboysobscurepresale

piscesx, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 11:46 (six months ago)

TY!

nashwan, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 13:50 (six months ago)

My favorite was when they played "Do I have To" on the Yes tour.

LeRooLeRoo, Wednesday, 12 November 2025 23:01 (six months ago)


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