So come on Pinefox, what *do* you see in Go West?

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He intrigues and fascinates me a lot of the time: of course he often infuriates me, but he's someone I'd like to get to know better than I do.

But what's with this love for Go West? I heard "Don't Look Down: The Sequel" on the radio this afternoon and was knocked back by how all the most hideous aspects of mid-80s pop production values were in there: a chorus with (potentially) a certain amount of intriguing uncertainty totally overpowered by endless triumphant, MTV-aimed air-pumps and horrendous session-man guitar solos: a kind of "look at us, we're taking on the world" ethos that makes it almost impossible for me to concentrate on the song. "Faithful", which I also had the misfortune to hear a while back, sickens me even to hear, so scrunched-up and pseudo-soulful, so *pathetic*.

More to the point, it's not something I'd *expect* the Pinefox to like, only slightly more than Cannibal Ox or whoever, because I rather think of him as a Janice Long / John Peel man, timewarped in the 80s for sure, but not *this* kind of 80s, this sound of so many endless Davies / Wright / Brookes weekdays.

Did they do some other stuff that didn't get so much airplay and didn't have that mullets-and-boxer-shorts air to it, or something?

Robin Carmody, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I share your bewilderment, Robin. It may be a joke - he also mentioned Johnny Hates Jazz once or twice though, and Deacon Blue, so there's a theme of sorts. Along with Climie-Fisher or Living in a Box JHJ and GW bring to mind a sort of 'house band at Stringfellows' feeling - all rolled-sleeve suits, fake tans and bleached blonde mullets.

I hope the great man will be along soon to enlighten us ;)

Dr.C, Saturday, 8 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm posting just to get this thread back to top of New Answers so PF will see it, but I will just say that "We Close Our Eyes" was one of the few records to brighten up the awfulness that was 'Pop in 1985'. I would argue that (musically, the production) this actually achieves what Scritti was trying to do on e.g. "Perfect Way". Can't remember anything else by GW however, so assume it was a glorious one-off.

Jeff W, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

greg tate wrote a pro-go west piece in the village voice

mark s, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

No comparison: "Perfect Way" has fantastic lyrics, a new sound each second *and*, implicitly, predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall. "We Close Our Eyes" is just a load of annoying of-the-time production tics and lines about "ambition" and "aspiration", signifying nothing.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I deliberately did not talk about lyrics upthread (on which subject I'm a bit Raggetty)
"of the time" applies to both equally
"annoying" = matter of opinion

Jeff W, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I liked the video for "We Close Our Eyes." Didn't think Go West were mulletheads, tho' -- doesn't seem right to think of Go West music blaring outta Camaro. Maybe they should do a double bill with Billy Ray Cyrus?

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Go West always had that saddo 80s "Miami Vice" look, casual big shoulder paded jacket and trousers - often shades of blue, with white shirt unbuttoned top button and no tie, did they have white sox as well?

DJ Martian, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Gee, if I were the pinefox I wouldn't even think of answering Robin's incredibly rude question.

Josh, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"We Close Our Eyes" = bad "of the time", "Perfect Way" good "of the time". IMHO, of course.

Wasn't there a Go West vs. Wang Chung thread once? We should revive that, because "Dance Hall Days" is GRATE.

Not rude, Josh, just baffled. I respect the Pinefox and am intrigued by him.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Well, all I'm saying is, go back and look at your original post. You gotta funny way of showing respect.

Josh, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

The Pinefox and I have a strange mutual relationship. We're so different from each other in so many ways that some of the things we say to each other are bound to sound rude to othes. They're not.

Robin Carmody, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"othes" = "others"

Robin Carmody, Monday, 10 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i thought robins q was fine. i would be interested in the answer as well.

gareth, Tuesday, 11 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

He's been a bit quiet on this thread, hasn't he?

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 12 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Go West move me.

the pinefox, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

For me Go West definitely represent the point at which "New Pop" cut the umbilical cord which bound it to punk/post-punk. The first of that ilk to come through with absolutely no irony or subtext whatsoever.

At the time Deacon Blue were still calling themselves Chewy Raccoon and Ricky Ross was insisting that he was a punk at heart.

Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Subtext = homoeroticism.

the pinefox, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

As I said upthread, there are the bare bones of something moving in "Don't Look Down - The Sequel", just obliterated and thrown utterly out of shape.

Marcello is right on the money here.

Homoeroticism? Sorry, can't see it.

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

It's no joke. I mean, the man paid good money to go and see them. I'm almost as baffled as the next man, but I've seen him whoop about their songs and by gum, there's passion there.

Ally C, Thursday, 13 December 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I recently listened again to the 2nd LP, DANCING ON THE COUCH (1987). It was splendid.

I have 'From Baltimore To Paris' in my head right now. It's marvellous. Those looming strings late on.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 12:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

yeah, it's their/their producer's use of strings that makes Go West worth trying to figure out; also, that guy's vocals have a very wistful, slightly sad quality to them. Although ABC 0\|/|\|z0rZ them obv.

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 12:38 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

how timely.
someone just made me a cdr of scritti's cupid & psyche and put go west on there to fill it up. i flinched, but now i'm wondering...

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 22:26 (fifteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
In retrospect I wonder too. Mr. John D.'s comment does intrigue me, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

He's OK up till the bit about ABC.

the bellefox, Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:57 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You mean you like Go West more than ABC? Gosh, now I'm intrigued about that!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 15:59 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Heck, yes - did ye not know?

the bellefox, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:01 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well now I do! What would you say is the difference? (Also, do you hate ABC or is it just that Go West does what ABC does but better?)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like ABC, a lot, in my head, but I don't really know them. I might like them even more, if I did knew them even less!

JtN reviews ABC very nicely in UNCUT, you should look. I agree with JtN about ABC, I think; I also like JtN's covers of ABC, a lot.

The difference between GW and ABC: that's an interesting one, I'll think on and get back to you.

the bellefox, Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Thank ya. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:07 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
"he difference between GW and ABC: that's an interesting one, I'll think on and get back to you.

-- the bellefox (pinefo...), November 11th, 2004.

the Enrique who acts like some kind of good taste gestapo (Enrique), Saturday, 29 April 2006 14:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

Dude can't actually pronounce "we close our eyes", can he? For all its chest-beating "we can walk on wahahahaw-duh" talk, its central message contains a TOUCHING VULNERABILITY

The Pinefox has had four years, now

MPx4A, Friday, 16 May 2008 11:40 (ten years ago) Permalink

I do love "King of Wishful Thinking."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 May 2008 13:34 (ten years ago) Permalink

if "We Close Our Eyes" was the only thing I'd heard from Go West, I would respect them a good deal more. It's a great song. One thing I will say about it is that I find it impossible to divorce the song in my mind from its video; it's like "Sledgehammer" in that respect, although the video lacks the artistry shown by Aardman in "Sledgehammer", it is certainly striking.

As indeed are the lyrics:

Inside everyone hides one desire
-- what an opening line!

Outside no one would know

Danger, close as the edge of the knife
-- I particularly like the way Cox sings "danger" here

Safer not to let go
And whil we miss chances
You can almost hear time slipping away
-- actually "way-away-away-away"

We close our eyes we never lose a game
Imagination never lets us take the blame
We close our eyes to see the final frame
We close our eyes to time slipping away

No show... Wednesday girl waits with the wine
She knows just what to say
While no one listens
You can almost hear time slipping away

We close our eyes we never lose a game
Imagination never lets us take the blame
We close our eyes to see the final frame
We close our eyes to time slipping away

We can talk to strangers
We are burning with the spark
And we can walk on water
We are tigers in the dark
We are burning!
-- how many other 80s hits reference Blake????

We close our eyes

Heroes never give in to the night
He knows how far he can run
And as he surrenders
You can almost hear time slipping away

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:04 (ten years ago) Permalink

It was downhill fast from there. King of Wishing Thinking is particularly bad coz it has that dreadful VRERRRR! sound that links verse to chorus - Whitney's I Wanna Dance With Somebody has it too. Actually lots of eighties songs do - why?????

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:13 (ten years ago) Permalink

because it's great

blueski, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

We close our eyes to see the final frame

It's about snooker. Good.

Michael Jones, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:21 (ten years ago) Permalink

I do love "King of Wishful Thinking."

only found out this was a GW song about two weeks ago, having had it intermittently stuck in my head for about 17 years, even though the last and only time I heard it before that was on a tannoy in Toys R' Us the year it came out. The second listen was kind of disappointing

Wi Close Ah Wyes is a fuckin banger though

MPx4A, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:22 (ten years ago) Permalink

Whitney's I Wanna Dance With Somebody has it too. Actually lots of eighties songs do - why?????

Jam and Lewis perfected it. Listen to almost Janet Jackson single and Human League's "Human."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

perhaps the pinefox's refusal to be goaded (Carmoded?) by the slightly confrontational thread title is commendable

MPx4A, Friday, 16 May 2008 15:23 (ten years ago) Permalink

"We Close Our Eyes" is great. Dunno about the rest although I was kind of surprised by "Faithful" being quite good several years later.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 16 May 2008 22:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

Thank you, MP4xA. Maybe it doesn't need answering? I like them! Love some of their records.

Grandpoint Genie, good stuff - but I don't especially agree about the falling-off. I think I like 'Call Me' more ... maybe even 'Don't Look Down' too? And there are many other fine Go West tracks. Most of them, on the first two LPs ... it's only with the third, Indian Summer, that things went in the wrong direction.

the pinefox, Friday, 16 May 2008 23:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Random play of '90s hit box set gave me their cover version of "Tracks of My Tears" (UK #16, 1993) last week; it made me giggle how he sang "People say I'm the life of the party / Because I tell a joke or two" sounding like the boringest dullest dude ever.

Didn't they turn up on v silly quasibetshow "Banzai" in some egg-to-forehead-based shenanigans about a decade ago btw?

anatol_merklich, Friday, 16 May 2008 23:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

nine years pass...

https://youtu.be/af6L1jBZGYA

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 12 February 2018 09:19 (eight months ago) Permalink


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