Black Metal!

omg J0hn you realise you actually have to perform a vicious beatdown on yr next tour right

also i posted it elsewhere but it also belongs here: The thread for pasting moronic YouTube comments

that conversation concludes thus

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yea.. cuz killing people is productive, in fact the act of violence is a far lower level of thought. only the wise will thrive

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you mistake cleverness for wisdom. fool. go read some books.

So, no thoughts on Ashdautas then? It's interesting that they are actually a band, and a gigging entity at that - it sounds like classic outsider BM solo basement lunacy.

I thought this revive was gonna be about this
http://blackmetaltheory.blogspot.com/

http://www.publicassemblynyc.com/events/view/1148

haha... what the fuck. i guess black metal's over.

Shit, that looks great, I'd go!

Yeah, I'd go, it looks interesting.

The guys over at DFFD were so pissed off with hipsters ruining BM that they turned the thread into a 10 page discussion of NWA and Public Enemy instead. ILX woulda been proud.

I think this means us death metal partisans can claim victory now

til next year

Remind me again who got their arses kicked in the DM vs BM poll?

WINNING METAL ISN'T A FUCKIN NUMBERS GAME, SOUKESIAN

Scott or j0hn :) will be here in a min to say ilx is full of hipsters so of course BM won the poll

that's kind of exactly the point - BM won the poll = BM is trendy, of course it did

:)

iirc most of the DM votes came from US ilxors while BM came from euros.

I aim to please xpost

can re-poll after the wire runs some article about slept-on death metal, it'll get loads of votes then

i know DM was the most commercially successful form of extreme metal in the states in the early 90s, it's basically the bread and butter metal for a lot of people after the thrash generation got old ;), but was it ever actually hip? I dont mean hip as in elite circles of demo tape traders in the late 80s but hip as in actual hipsters like the NY hipster types who are into BM?

actually i might start a separate thread on this.

http://www.trackosaurusrex.com/pblog/images/FixeII2.jpg

When did Doom Metal/Black Metal and the like become "hip" and why?

i know DM was the most commercially successful form of extreme metal in the states in the early 90s, it's basically the bread and butter metal for a lot of people after the thrash generation got old ;), but was it ever actually hip? I dont mean hip as in elite circles of demo tape traders in the late 80s but hip as in actual hipsters like the NY hipster types who are into BM?

well, famously, Peel was into grind. thurston moore and some others IIRC were namechecking DM a little, I think moore's been pretty interested in "extreme" metal from pretty early on. and some of these death metal guitarists are total tone merchants, it's one of the reasons I'm a death metal partisan - there's plenty of black metal guitarists who get amazing tone of course but there's also the sort of autopilot Boss distortion into Boss delay black metal sound that just bores me to tears - and there've always been some from-hipper-circles ppl goin "seven churches is fucking amazing." but anyway yeah - I mean, getting "hip" used to take a lot more digging, but within some hip circles I think there were plenty of artsy dudes seeking out Eaten Back to Life and Mental Funeral and sarcofago or even krisiun and so on.

can re-poll after the wire runs some article about slept-on death metal, it'll get loads of votes then

Fine, I'll pitch this article for the eighth time. Dammit.

ha lol you know I will howl like a hurt dog if people ever actually start acknowledging that 1st & 2nd wave death metal was some of the most interesting music ever made, gotta have my stuff to complain about y'know

Well, FWIW I'm all about the blackness now, but I saw Napalm Death and Carcass on the early tours, and have no problem at all in acknowledging that those were some of the wildest gigs I've ever seen.

Every time someone says DM in one of these threads, I read it as Depeche Mode :-/

I will howl like a hurt dog if people ever actually start acknowledging that 1st & 2nd wave death metal was some of the most interesting music ever made

I sneak it in where I can, like when I got Mike Patton to admit to being influenced by John Tardy.

I sometimes misinterpret it as Dead Milkmen. xp

any love for these dudes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkOVIbI1-xQ

A friend of mine just got Peter Beste's 'True Norwegian Black Metal ' as a Christmas gift which I thought quite droll.

i never really got into judas iscariot. dude's okay. i don't know, i kinda feel like he and krieg were american black metal guys wandering in the wilderness, trying to find an original/interesting style and not really succeeding. but that didn't stop them from putting out a shit-ton of records.

listening to the Cryfemal album from last year, it's kinda cool but I wish they'd mixed the drum machine down a notch, the guitars should be louder, they get a bit drowned out.

i'm going to try to like black metal starting right now.

i downloaded "transilvanian hunger" by darkthrone on a recommendation. apparently this is considered a classik of the genre?

first song - title track

the beat is really weird and stiff...oompa oompa oompa oompa oompa, kinda sounds like a slowed down snare roll...up and down up and down up and down

the guitars are being played really fast in a way that seems really slow, like almost shoegazey or something...

you know? in a weird way the drums almost remind me of johnny cash or skiffle or something that kinda double time snare "train beat", but like more martial marching band.

the production is really midrange and tinny...kinda reminds me of husker du

the chord changes seem really goth

from your descriptions, it sounds like you are listening to an early 90s BM record.

yup, you are definitely listening to an early darkthrone record

now:
Graven Takeheimens Saler

definitely the weirdest song...the chord changes seem a bit "off" in a pleasing way

ha! now there's a fast picked guitar line that sorta reminds me of Dick Dale

the singer sounds like the head Orc from lord of the rings

are these guys one of the racist ones? how could you tell anyway? i guess you'd have to read about them cuz the vox are unintelligible, idk even know what language they are in i guess...though i've heard the word "satan" a couple times

iirc there is like racist artwork on the one you are listening to but i don't believe they are particularly racist, especially when they got older

they executed a few dick moves a long time ago, around the time of this album in fact iirc, but in short, no they're not

this is incredibly monochromatic music...

it's weird, sometimes his repetitive double time oompa oompa marching band beat goes to triple time oompa oompa and it almost sounds like total chaos

These are not drums, it's actually a garden sprinkler.

burzum, who were and are* super racist sound very much the same. tin-can recording, simple bang-bang-bang rhythms, super fast guitar chording that dissolves into a woozy blur, gothy progressions, surf-style fast picking solos. love the sound, but it is monochromatic, but it quickly becomes dull as dirt in the wrong hands. you should listen to emperor's anthems to the welkin at dusk after this! you know, for some variety.

* why do i always talk about bands - singular collective entities, grammatically speaking - as though though they were "he and she" type plural constructs, even when there is only one person in the band?

These are not drums, it's actually a garden sprinkler.

― Siegbran, Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:54 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha yeah that's kinda it!