Sleep - "Jersulam"/"Dopesmoker" - C/D?

om is better than both though

n/a - don't look at it as 'stoner metal,' because that will lead you down a path of lots of crappy music. Just buy two or three Electric Wizard albums and be done with it. THOSE records ALL fucking SLAY

Maybe I just don't like stoner rock.

Also, does it seem like this is everywhere all the sudden, or am I just sinking deeper into stoner culture? I've heard several different people talking about it, plus its appearing on BROKEN FLOWERS OST (oh no!)

How could it appear on the OST without being the OST?

Yeah, a bunch of stoner and doom bands. The phenom that the practice and style has been everywhere all of a sudden has been everywhere all of a sudden for a few years, minimum.

The version on Broken Flowers OST is between four and five minutes long, so I assume it's an edit.

Psych doom - does it exist? or, "Why isn't there a WITCHCRAFT thread yet?"

DOOM

DOOM

Fact of the matter is, it's not particularly great. Its mythology exceeds its listenability. The story of "Jerusalem" and "Dopesmoker" is much better in the telling than in the listening and that will always be a substantial part of its appeal. The genre's "Tales of the Topographic Ocean," maybe. Hampton-Grease Band's "Music to Eat?" In any case, if you have the patience to pick and choose in stoner and doom records, there are quite a few that are preferable to anything Sleep's catalog.

In the sense of insurmountable-object, maybe. But TFTO has the advantage of actually being good.

NO WAY.

For my money, though, I still say Electric Wizard.

jumping more to the point: ***what is the best thing to listen to besides sleep to determine whether or not its worth it to hear more??****

i always enjoyed listening to it. I have no problem with the length. I'm kinda lazy, so I'm not big on getting up anyway. i was never fanatical enough to buy the later dopesmoker version though. i never cared for the first sleep album. that one bored me, not as good as st. vitus, etc. but, yeah, jerusalem is funny and cool and it is nice and heavy. great riffs. what's not to like? the latest high on fire, i think, is the best thing the dude has ever done. i didn't really like either of the other high on fire albums i had. just sold the first one on ebay with the 45 in it where they cover celtic frost. got all of 5 bucks for it. of course, the new HOF "sounds" great and the first two sounded horrible, so that might have something to do with it.

Speaking of Grief, buyabiznatch would probably like that band. Go for any of the albums on Pessimiser or Theologian, Torso probably first followed by And Man Shall Become the Hunted. That's slowed down drawn out riffing, recorded heavy with a vocalist who sounds like he has a torn throat. It's pretty monolithic and would have a high probability of appealing to fans of Dopesmoker. I listen to Grief way more often than Sleep.

Cheesy's no obstacle to liking lots of forms of metal, or just about any other genre. I find very little entertainment that's actually
cheese free. It's one of the fundamentals, like hydrogen on the periodic table.

I'm a fan of Trouble but my favorite albums are their last two -- Manic Frustration and Plastic Green Head. Right now, PGH is probably my fave. Their version of "The Porpoise Song" kills for incinerating wah'd guitar solo. Heavy psyche influence and Beatles/Monkees/Donovan love in late period Trouble.

Nebula was a highly regarded stoner rock band for awhile. Never was able to capitalize. Spirit Caravan catalog is good early (Jug Fulla Sun), falls apart toward the end. The Obsessed, another earlier Wino band was virtually identical. Hidden Hand is up and down. Did an album with Victor Griffin in Place of Skulls. Man, he does a lot of stuff.

i already bought jerusalem so i ain't picking up dopesmoker unless'n i see it for cheap. but jerusalem's ok, i guess. holy mountain is way better - though i think the genius doesn't really kick in until the second half of the album - as is OM.

and as much as saying things are overrated is overrated, i tend to agree with roger about saint vitus these days. reagers period is best, though the wino era has some killer tunes here and there it's really in essence a compromise between the best of vitus and the best of the obsessed which makes a kind of boring muddle at times.

I would rather heat my liver with drinking.

holy mountain is fucking awesome

fyfuckingi

So, anyone going to ATP: The Fans Strike Back, May 8-10 2009, where the reformed Sleep are playing Holy Mountain and selections from Dopesmoker & more...?

oh shi

I agree with whomever said Om is better above.

Wrong

selections from dopesmoker?

I almost bought St. Vitus last night but was scared away by worries it would sound thin with no bottom end. Do they?

Cisneros is credited with playing the water pipe in the liner notes. <3

fuck yeah they killed it

this was an enjoyable accompaniment to the board game we played last night

Does anyone know when this will be available in stores as a physical release?

It was supposed to arrive in stores on the day of release, or so I was told.

So is this album legit good, or good in a "it's cool that it doesn't suck," MBV 2013 kinda way?

It's good, they still got the riffs

I love the way this is recorded and mixed -- I agree it's their best-sounding album

feels like they bridged the gap between Holy MOuntain and Dopesmoker a bit. there's nothing as drawn out as the latter obv, but they haven't really returned to their Sab-worship of HM outright either.

I'm cool w/ that

it's not as good as dopesmoker but what is

tr00

I’m in on this being good. Good good not consolation good.

It was supposed to arrive in stores on the day of release, or so I was told.

― Paul Ponzi, Sunday, 22 April 2018 21:13 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's not in any stores in Germany

The new album was released here yesterday. Amazing. Tempted on first listens to call it their best. So well recorded. Listening to Al Cisneros' bass is such a joy.

I've just returned from a gig, still buzzing! Life altering

Ha! I saw them last night. Was perfect

I just love hearing Pike play doom again, like he's digging around in the guts of the universe to tear out those chords

Marihuanaut's Theme is killer

And its lyrics are hilarious, but somehow just right

Where to start with the new stuff?

the first track on the new album?

well, 2nd. the first track is an all-too-typical-for-the-genre pointless intro

True! Still. Just give the new album a listen.

What’s diSalvo’s take?

So, gonna finally see these dudes. They're doing a three night stand at the end of the year here in SF; going to the first night as it's 1) cheaper and 2) Grayceon's the opener, and I seem to remember liking a few things by them.

where is this happening

Great American

Amazing gig.

this looks tempting

I hate New Year's celebrations as a general rule but this seems like an actually fun thing to do, more fun than staying home anyway

Have never seen Sleep. Saw Om at some point (supporting Sunn O))) [how many brackets?]), who were magnificent. Hopefully, Sleep will tour the UK again at some point.

“Jersulam”

xpost Yeah really enjoyed Om when I finally saw them about a decade back. Never have seen High on Fire. But at least there's this!

Have seen both Om (twice - including the show Ned was at iirc) and High On Fire - the former more hypnotic and the latter more pummeling/shredding but both were good. Sleep is obviously somewhere in the middle

(altho I have never seen Sleep tbc)

You'll love it. They started with Marihuanaut's Theme and bludgeoned us into a state of bliss.

are there any other 2018 shows? looks like they toured earlier in the year

Yeah looks like they're doing a December US tour in general:

https://www.facebook.com/pg/officialsleep/events/

$330 APIECE?!

wtf

too rich for my blood

Eh? I paid $50 for mine, you sure you weren't looking at the three day pass?

sigh yeah a tour of the south :(

this says $330 https://greatamericanmusichall.secureboxoffice.com/E/e-2850804/v-2092

that's for 4 tickets?

oh wait nm

yeah but they're all $330 each! fucking ticket sites are such a scam. I should've drilled down my search results more and just gone here, where they are in fact $50: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/sleep-saturday-gamh-w-grayceon-tickets-50364070290#tickets

heyo I have two tickets to see SLEEP at the Great American tonight…. But I am sick ☹
On the off-chance that anyone is in town tonight and wants to see this show (which is sold out), or knows anyone who wants to see this show, plz let me know and I will happily sell my tix! webmail me. Tix were $60 apiece.

guesses on price?

https://thirdmanstore.com/tmr-vault-platinum-subscription-new#

way more than the $20 ticket price for the actual show.

It says $60 right there at the top

assuming they didn't just randomly put out an unannounced ambient album. must be a spotify mistake? good for whoever this is though, going to get some easy plays
https://open.spotify.com/album/6LpGG4iXjC5bj5Z7ZgmEdA

lol yeah, that'd be an unexpected turn for them. hate this sloppiness by spotify so much.

Yeah I got momentarily excited by a new OLD recording popping up and it was a collection of library jazz, but poorly edited minute long tracks.