TS: SLEEP vs HIGH ON FIRE

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im listening to HoF's blessed black wings for the first time right now, and while it's certainly good, it doesnt come even close to any sleep stuff. i hear really awesome things about HoF, though - am i missing something? SLEEP, in a landslide for me.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Vs. OM?
I choose Om.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ehh. i love sleep but i'd go with high on fire - better songs, better riffs. i'd also take OM over sleep when it comes to the extended doom mantra workout stuff on jerusalem.

(btw, is it just me or does high on fire = volume one, OM = holy mountain+jerusalem?)

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh man - i hadnt even HEARD about OM. that sounds totally great!

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Get it. It's great.

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 14:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

High On Fire are easier to like than Sleep. Faster, harder, better drum sound, better guitar solos (because they're born of better riffs). And it's too hot, and I'm too lazy these days, to pursue difficulty. So HOF for me, thanks.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I like High On Fire, still i prefer Sleep's heaviosity. And I don't even smoke dope.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

whazzis OM?

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Bass + Drums from Sleep, new record
Here's a review

Tripmaker (SDWitzm), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Sleep better in theory; High on Fire better in practice. I love 'em both.

ng, Wednesday, 8 June 2005 15:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I LOVE THEM BOTH...BUT ID GO WITH HoF.

ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

thats weird that you say it that way, pdf! i find that sleep speaks DIRECTLY to my hot weather self - that feeling of being totally baked and covered by the sun/humidity. HoF is too busy to give me that same feeling, and so far (more time required, im sure), none of HoFs riffs stand up to anything on holy mountain or dopesmoker/jerusalem.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i just $l$ked OM - report forthcoming!

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:38 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

after 30 seconds, its clear to me that this OM album fucking rules.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 16:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

High On Fire puts me to sleep. Sleep gets me high.

- (smile), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

that feeling of being totally baked

haha pete

Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 17:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I go with Sleep, doods. The second HoF album is pretty weak. At least, the production makes it sound like it was recorded in Matt Pike's asshole. I haven't heard the OM record, but saw it at the store a few weeks ago. Was tempted, but wanted to hear what people said about it first. Anyway, Sleep is great. Holy Mountain is even better than Jerusalem! (Which I think I am going to put on right now, even though I have no buds.)

Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 19:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ian, it is GREAT.

you know what band i cant quite get into? sunnO))?)!@) - nothing ive heard has really grabbed me - i think what distinguishes sleep for me is that their riffs are fast enough to actually be recognizable as riffs (distinct from earth/sunnO)))), but the riffs are still slow enough to have the lumbering-stoned-behemoth-ogre-effect (distinct from high on fire). i hate to say it this way, but sleep is fast enough to actually ROCK, but slow enough to be super-super-heavy.

peter smith (plsmith), Wednesday, 8 June 2005 19:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Om - "Variations On A Theme"

Amon (eman), Thursday, 9 June 2005 01:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The production on the 2nd HoF album does blow. The new album is amazing, it's not as doom-y as the other two, but it's got big riffs. Production is grebt too.

As for Sleep, I love Dopesmoker but I never listen to it.

The Om album is one of my faves. I can't stop listening to it. When the drive to work ends before one of the songs I just keep driving around the block til it's done.

mcd (mcd), Thursday, 9 June 2005 01:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i as yet unconvinced by the Om disc. i've only listened to it a couple times, but it doesn't do it for me in the Sleep way. It seems more stagnant, but not meditatively stagnant like sunn's good stuff (00 void).
Jerusalem is really the only one out of all of these (Sleep, Om, HOF) that i think i really need. i wish i had gotten to see Sleep live, because HOF live is like a thousand times better than on cd.
verdict: Jersalem>Dopesmoker>Holy Mountian>High on Fire live>Volume One>>>Om>>all High on Fire cds

deru, Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:05 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

typo: i am as yet unconvinced...

deru, Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

one month passes...
PROCEED THE WEEDIAN.

NAZARETH!

peter smith (plsmith), Saturday, 30 July 2005 19:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

It's really hard to choose between HoF & Sleep. The OM album is really good too.
Dopesmoker is prob the best album but I think I prefer HoF to the other Sleep albums apart from maybe Holy Mountain which is on a par with Blessed Black Wings. The 1st HoF I definitely prefer to the other remaining sleep albums.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Saturday, 30 July 2005 19:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

for me, its dopesmoker > holy mtn >= variations on a theme >>>>>>>> all HoF; havent heard jerusalem or volume 1.

peter smith (plsmith), Saturday, 30 July 2005 19:44 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

You just need to hear the first two High On Fire discs. The new one's not as good.

jjj, Sunday, 31 July 2005 16:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

two years pass...

New albums pretty damn great!

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 16 August 2007 21:47 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Complete owns these bands

wanko ergo sum, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Kreation Records are reissuing the Sleep - Holy Mountain vinyl.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

No shit? Where you hear this?

Bob Standard, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I ordered on the website!

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Black vinyl is $16.99 and colour vinyl is $18.99

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They also have the Om vinyls.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:19 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Fucking fuck. Money = water.

Bob Standard, Thursday, 16 August 2007 22:22 (eleven years ago) Permalink

ehh. i love sleep but i'd go with high on fire - better songs, better riffs.

i'm reversing myself. after extensively relistening to the sleep albums i think sleep is better than high on fire (i was listening to much more of the latter when i posted).

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 17 August 2007 00:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I haven't heard much of HoF but from what I have, I think I prefer Sleep. But as others have mentioned above, I think Om is better then both of these bands.

Mark Clemente, Friday, 17 August 2007 13:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

HOF over Sleep by a hair, and both slay OM.

Bill Magill, Friday, 17 August 2007 13:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

SLEEP rules all. The best damn doom band not called Black Sabbath. Dopesmoker is cool, but Holy Mountain is just monstrous, brobdignagian, without peer or equal. Very nearly as good as Master of Reality, Paranoid, etc. Combines High on Fire's raspy punk attack with Om's lidded krautmetal and easily betters both. When it's playing, it's the best damn rock & roll record in the world.

Bob Standard, Friday, 17 August 2007 15:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I need that Sleep's Holy Mountain lp reissue for sure.

Trip Maker, Friday, 17 August 2007 15:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ok I think this new High On Fire album may just be my album of the year. Can't wait for Relapse to send my vinyl. This album just bludgeons. Some of the songs are definitely the doomiest they've done.

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 17 August 2007 19:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I'm glad to hear that. I am really looking forward to that.

Bill Magill, Friday, 17 August 2007 19:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If I was vas djiferens, I could say something about how wolves will rip the flesh from their bones if it doesn't destroy Christian babies. As things stand, I'm just looking forward to it.

Went to see some local metal a couple months ago, and among three bands playing, there were four HOF T-shirts. I was wearing one too, which make me feel creepy.

Bob Standard, Friday, 17 August 2007 22:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

CD out in UK today, USA next tuesday. Wonder when Relapse will ship the vinyl pre-orders. Can't wait for mine.
This album is killer. It gets better each listen. Matt Pikes vocals have definitely improved.

Herman G. Neuname, Monday, 10 September 2007 23:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

This album still rules

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 15:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

Yes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 17:14 (ten years ago) Permalink

Im glad it made the ILX top 50 albums of the year.

Herman G. Neuname, Thursday, 20 March 2008 01:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

All i know is that LOUD rock, it's way too easy.

Gorge, Thursday, 20 March 2008 02:26 (ten years ago) Permalink

awes

Mark Clemente, Friday, 28 March 2008 18:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

Indeed

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 28 March 2008 18:19 (ten years ago) Permalink

Chances of a Sleep reunion are even more remote now sadly.

Herman G. Neuname, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 01:02 (ten years ago) Permalink

is it just me or is his guitar going WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 02:52 (ten years ago) Permalink

that cartoon makes matt pike look like a humorless bastard, which i'm pretty sure he's not, because of "yeti" and "razorhoof". also the last time i saw them (SBT tour) he introduced his songs like this:

"this song's called yeti, it's about the yeti"
"this song's called razor hoof, it's about a deer"
"this song's called speedwolf, it's a ... diiiiiirge ... a dirge for the fallen brothers"

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 02:56 (ten years ago) Permalink

Somebody got a translation? pike is anything but humorless, he's fucking great.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 13:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

translation? i don't speak french but i think it's just

"if sleep were to get back together"

"they would break up again!!"

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:28 (ten years ago) Permalink

from wikipedia:

In March 2008 OM recorded a 7" for Sub Pop records. The song "Gebel Barkal" is the first to feature new drummer Emil Amos.

!

69, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:57 (ten years ago) Permalink

i'm excited to hear it. i made note of the release on the om/pilgrimage thread, btw

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:58 (ten years ago) Permalink

ah i didnt see!

69, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 15:59 (ten years ago) Permalink

i find high on fire sorta tiresome. great live, but tiresome on record. i listened to "surrounded by thieves" yesterday as well as "jersualem" and "come my fanatics" and for some reason pike's tireless riffing just put me off after about 10 minutes.

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

maybe at the end of the day i'm just not very heavy metal?

moonship journey to baja, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

Probably, cuz I don't find it tiresome at all-I like working out to it and getting high to it. Serves a lot of purposes.

Bill Magill, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 17:48 (ten years ago) Permalink

high on fire is some get pumped up and punch dudes in the mouth and/or clean your bathroom music.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:35 (ten years ago) Permalink

not tiresome, more tiring

moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 10 April 2008 03:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000A2GCX2.01._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

do people like this? i guess its decent

am0n, Friday, 2 May 2008 16:03 (ten years ago) Permalink

tis good

Herman G. Neuname, Friday, 2 May 2008 16:07 (ten years ago) Permalink

never heard it actually!

69, Friday, 2 May 2008 16:38 (ten years ago) Permalink

its kind of moshcore sounding at times, not a good thing

am0n, Friday, 2 May 2008 17:08 (ten years ago) Permalink

good, not great

stephen, Friday, 2 May 2008 19:05 (ten years ago) Permalink

It's an "interesting if you're already into the band" kinda record. Pretty okay.

contenderizer, Friday, 2 May 2008 20:36 (ten years ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

Om - Live Jerusalem album is out via Southern Lord now. Anyone got it yet It's a vinyl only pressing of 3000.

Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 1 June 2008 20:47 (ten years ago) Permalink

four months pass...

http://www.atpfestival.com/atp/Events/TheFansStrikeBack/LineUp/Sleep.php

Legendary stoner rock band Sleep split in 1998 after two hugely influential albums and members went on to form underground heroes High On Fire and Om. They reform for two performances at ATP as a world exclusive that will never be repeated.

They will perform the album Holy Mountain as well as selections from Dopesmoker and more.

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 31 October 2008 15:57 (nine years ago) Permalink

I finally got a copy of Sleep's Holy Mountain. I guess a record store in New Orleans bought up all of the cassette copies of the album. My buddy picked one up on tour and when i told him that I'd never heard it he gave it to me, said he was going back to NOLA before the end of the year, anyway. He was really taken with the store, can't remember the name of the place now. They only charged three bucks for the cassette.

Trip Maker, Friday, 31 October 2008 16:01 (nine years ago) Permalink

I'm sure they will kick much ass in this reunion.

Trip Maker, Friday, 31 October 2008 16:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

"selections from dopesmoker"

69, Friday, 31 October 2008 16:22 (nine years ago) Permalink

That's what I was thinking.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 31 October 2008 16:25 (nine years ago) Permalink

I HOPE THEY DO THE LONG ONE

69, Friday, 31 October 2008 16:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck why does it have to be in uk

eman, Friday, 31 October 2008 16:50 (nine years ago) Permalink

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4695/headbang9su.gif

eman, Friday, 31 October 2008 17:04 (nine years ago) Permalink

Wish they had done a full uk tour instead!

Pfunkboy Formerly Known As... (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 31 October 2008 19:41 (nine years ago) Permalink

Fantastic news, I was listening to Holy Mountain this morning.

Vision, Friday, 31 October 2008 20:49 (nine years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

Oakland, CA metal band HIGH ON FIRE has announced that it will be forced to miss this summer's Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival as front man and guitarist Matt Pike enters treatment for alcohol rehabilitation. The award winning power trio (also featuring drummer Des Kensel and bassist Jeff Matz) will put its scheduled touring plans on hold indefinitely as Pike takes the necessary steps towards regaining his health.

"High on Fire would like to thank everyone involved with the Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival for the opportunity to be a part of this year's tour," said the band in a statement. "We regretfully will have to bow out as our friend and bandmate begins his recovery, but very much appreciate having been asked to be a part of this summer's festival run."

shit_ebooks (am0n), Friday, 8 June 2012 14:33 (six years ago) Permalink

award winning power trio

Poliopolice, Friday, 8 June 2012 15:12 (six years ago) Permalink

"Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival"

shit_ebooks (am0n), Friday, 8 June 2012 19:18 (six years ago) Permalink

I think I'd drink myself into a coma if I realized I was supposed to play at that

mh, Friday, 8 June 2012 19:51 (six years ago) Permalink

"High on Fire would like to thank everyone involved with the Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival for the opportunity to be a part of this year's tour," the band's management wrote in a statement written without their knowledge.

strictly shitty piano rock underground (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:54 (six years ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone with a soul could say "We'd like to thank everyone involved with the Rockstar Energy Drink Mayhem Festival etc etc." out loud.

strictly shitty piano rock underground (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 9 June 2012 03:55 (six years ago) Permalink

cool hats

buzza, Saturday, 9 June 2012 05:46 (six years ago) Permalink

six years pass...

hey it's a good year to revisit this

once I listen to both The Sciences and Electric Messiah a few hundred more times

DEATH PUPPET (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 7 October 2018 03:14 (one week ago) Permalink

I love Sleep and OM rule but I've somehow managed to bypass High on Fire almost entirely. It is time to remedy this.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Sunday, 7 October 2018 09:42 (one week ago) Permalink

oh man ya gotta

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 7 October 2018 13:59 (one week ago) Permalink

they are in my top 3 of live acts, easily. my ears don't agree, cos they are fucking LOUD

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 7 October 2018 13:59 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, they are easily the loudest band I've ever seen that wasn't making noise for volume's sake.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:01 (one week ago) Permalink

Should I just start with the new one? The cover is stupendous,

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:50 (one week ago) Permalink

My ranking:

Blessed Black Wings
Snakes of the Divine
Electric Messiah
Luminiferous
The Art of Self Defense
Surrounded By Thieves
Death is This Communion
De Vermis Mysteriis

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:54 (one week ago) Permalink

BBW would be all time classic for "Brother In The Wind" alone - not many bands can ruminate on mortality and the death of a friend while also pummeling your skull into dust.

DEATH PUPPET (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 7 October 2018 21:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Cor, Steps of the Ziggurat is immense. As with Sleep, you get the sense Pike is enjoying the shit out of the music.

Have the Rams stopped screaming yet, Lloris? (Chinaski), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I vote Sleep if it’s a choice between physical states.

Yelploaf, Wednesday, 10 October 2018 16:50 (one week ago) Permalink


Blessed Black Wings
Snakes of the Divine
Electric Messiah

I did not expect HoF to reach these height again, but a few listens in to Electric Messiah and I'm craving more more more. That hasn't happened since Snakes.

saddest kamancheh (bendy), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:04 (one week ago) Permalink

Lol Yelploaf

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 17:06 (one week ago) Permalink


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