Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

also the statement everyone is fighting about is "when everyone is super, nobody will be". i'm assuming this statement is true and that what's at issue is how we feel about it. wildly variant powers would seem to falsify it.

So you are explicitly assuming everyone is going to end up with the same powers at the same strength and the same level of facility with them, despite that not being true of literally any pre-existing human characteristic.

in our world, people are collections of abilities

in the world where superpowers are restricted, most people are collections of abilities, and some people are collections of superabilities

in the world where everyone has superpowers, people are collections of superabilities

two of these worlds are v similar except for one of them having a lot more spectacle. the remaining one is an authoritarian nightmare

also i lied about which one's ours

What is a superhero? A miserable collection of superabilities!

The Man Without Superabilities

I really don't know how to have this conversation. Syndrome literally says 'when EVERYONE is super', I've posted the clip of him saying 'when EVERYONE is super. That clip is called 'EVERYONE'S SUPER'. So i just don't know how to keep arguing with 'presumably not everybody would be granted powers'. Like... How do we find common ground here?

everyone will be equal but some will be more equal than others

the problem is that we all have posting powers. distribute them more responsibly and this conversation woulda been over hours ago

i think at this point we're just kinda riffing on the inconsistent and not-thought-through aspects of the plot. he says "everyone" but he also plans to sell the powers for profit (if we're remembering correctly?), which means not everyone would get them, and also anyway if everyone got them it wouldn't necessarily mean an end to some people being more super or more dangerous than others, as DJP is pointing out.

i don't think any of that matters much, because i'm more interested in what motivates the guy and what he's trying to say, and what the film is saying by casting those motives as blinkered and petty. but the political debate itself has run out of gas after 15 years and more recently after 150 posts so y'know it's time to goof around a while and then start actually getting some work done with this misbegotten wednesday

Yea i feel bad for my poor training class that i abandoned while having this debate.

I probably should have checked in with them.

my work's at an important stage! it seemed unnecessary to...

I really don't know how to have this conversation. Syndrome literally says 'when EVERYONE is super', I've posted the clip of him saying 'when EVERYONE is super. That clip is called 'EVERYONE'S SUPER'. So i just don't know how to keep arguing with 'presumably not everybody would be granted powers'.

Frederick, he's a madman. Watch the rest of the movie beyond that YouTube clip.

Also all superpowers aren't the same.

Also these are not real people

now do Frozen

Do you want to destroy a proletariat?

Frozen is sapphic incest propaganda

And one thought crystallizes like an icy blast
I can't stop staring at my sister's ass

👎

okay, let's stop doing Frozen now

maybe scorsese should weigh in on this one

Gaslighting!

― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:38 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

has anybody told you that this is not gaslighting

Why, is that a pet peeve of yours?

So Scorcese really don't like Marvel huh

Why, is that a pet peeve of yours?

― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:30 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah bc it is a very specific term that does not mean "someone has a radically different reading of a movie than me and they're insisting on it"

the script for The Incredibles is plot point for plot point and at every step philosophically a close approximation of The Fountainhead, if you don't see if you have blinders on i'm sorry that's simply how it is. nb i have neither seen the incredibles nor read the fountainhead.

brad, it wasn't about his reading of the movie; it was that he was being untruthful about its basic story, apparently in hopes that we would also forget what the movie was about. I conceded that he was not literally engaging in psychological torture or abuse.

*concede

On the off chance that someone might want to discuss the Marvel Cinematic Universe at some point in the future, is there a place where we might go to do that? Do you guys know?

look it's called synergy

Gonna be a long wait for Phase 4

let's take it back to Marvel

https://www.reddit.com/r/disney/comments/4kfaqv/are_the_incredibles_in_the_marvel_universe_now/

the script for The Incredibles is plot point for plot point and at every step philosophically a close approximation of The Fountainhead, if you don't see if you have blinders on i'm sorry that's simply how it is. nb i have neither seen the incredibles nor read the fountainhead.

― omar little, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:09 PM bookmarkflaglink

Lol

This derail is so much more entertaining than the thread had been previously.

speaking of democracy being a bad idea and some entities having too much power

"the forseeable future of how movies are made, shown, and seen?"

for the love of fucking christ

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, October 24, 2019 2:34 AM (four weeks ago)

(four weeks ago)

Is there actually a thread where we can anticipate Frozen 2?

My one wish is that it treats the trashy retcon Olaf's Frozen Adventure as non-canon.

Disney's newest movie FROZEN, loosely based on The Snow Queen

thx, sic

Olaf's Frozen Adventure

ugh @ this thuleist swill

lmao it's gonna be fun to see just how crazy this thread gets in the 5 months between now and the next MCU release

It's practically inert when there are actually current movies to discuss.

place your bets on the first one to flop:
https://collider.com/upcoming-new-superhero-movies-2016-2020-release-dates/

New Mutants seems like the obvious one. Hope I'm wrong though!

Hope they all fucking bomb

i will admit that i'm into maisie williams as rahne but i won't likely see any of these at all as I'm pretty burnt out. Maybe once they're on video.

for purposes of this thread, New Mutants /= MCU

Fair enough. Eternals then

yeah that's gonna be interesting... little-known and tbh p goofy project orthogonal to mainstream MU/MCU... but hey Guardians worked out okay

The Jared Leto movie will flop, Birds of Prey might

aw cmon Jared Leto as ILX's own Dr. Morbius will pack 'em in at the multiplex

i've been saying this over and over again but once more: chloe zhao is a great filmmaker and i WILL actually see Eternals in the theaters for her sake but i'm not expecting it to be CINEMA mwah haw haw