Disney's newest movie FROZEN, loosely based on The Snow Queen

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I don't think we ever created a thread for this one? And then it went on to make a shitload of money and its soundtrack displaced Beyonce at #1?

I've seen it twice cuz lol disney nerd, and I've also been following discussions of it on the social justice-y parts of tumblr. It's the first Disney animated feature to have a female (co-)director, and it also has instances of Disney visibly struggling to address past criticisms of sexism/bad female role-modeling (a song about how the male love interest is a "fixer-upper" also includes the line "I'm not saying you can change him, 'cause people don't really change"; when it's time for the male love interest to kiss the girl at the end of the movie, he asks her permission first). But the cast is also 100% white people and I've seen complaints about how Disney used Sami culture in it (I'm less familiar with the particulars of that criticism).

Also the snowman isn't anywhere near as bad as the trailers made him out to be, and there are two gags lifted directly from Arrested Development.

reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:18 (five years ago) link

also also i have my own idiosyncratic problems with it, particularly that the story is about two sisters who start the movie ADORABLY close to one another, and then the driving plot action is to have them stop being close for about a decade of their lives. the two little sisters being friends was SO CUTE and then they never really regain that relationship, even at the end when they are ostensibly reconciled.

reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:24 (five years ago) link

I lasted til the second awful "I am a hopeful, empowered female" ballad. Horrific music.

My niece (7) loves it though. I'll be hearing the rest of it in the car next summer.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:25 (five years ago) link

oh i also forgot to mention the movie's weird treatment of villainy! elsa/the snow queen is viewed by her kingdom as a villain, but she's not really; there is a conniving old man from another kingdom who insists she is a villain for political purposes; and then there is a SURPRISE VILLAIN whose cruelty felt like a cop-out to me, because it neatly "solves" a plot issue that would've otherwise been quite thorny and surprisingly nuanced for a disney film to handle! idk if i should get too spoilery about it at this point, maybe later.

reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 16:54 (five years ago) link

my main problem with it is that there was way way to much sister and not enough Elsa being a bad ass snow queen. And too many songs. It focuses so much on the sister who just basically wants to marry a prince; I know there are a few twists in this, but Brave it is not.

akm, Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:41 (five years ago) link

sorta bummed about this movie tbh since andersen's 'the snow queen' is my favorite fairy tale of all time and it makes me cringe to think of it being given the 'disney musical' treatment.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 11 January 2014 18:49 (five years ago) link

The sidekick is egregious and not funny; he was made to sell plush toys.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:09 (five years ago) link

The music is AWFUL.

My niece (7) loves it though. I'll be hearing the rest of it in the car next summer.

― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius),

you and me both, brutha

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:10 (five years ago) link

sung by the kid, offkey to boot

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:18 (five years ago) link

Knowing Disney this was made for gay uncles taking nieces to the movies on winter break.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:20 (five years ago) link

not me! that's what mom is for.

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:23 (five years ago) link

The sidekick is egregious and not funny; he was made to sell plush toys.

― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:09 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

i dont know how many of these things you've seen but i promise he could've been so much worse

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:28 (five years ago) link

i was just blindsided today to learn how enormously popular this movie is. #42 on the highest grossing movies of all-time and #171 on the list adjusted for inflation.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:37 (five years ago) link

the trailers made it look so awkward and ugly that i assumed it just kinda quietly slid out of theaters after doing decent numbers.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:38 (five years ago) link

this movie was pretty awesome

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:41 (five years ago) link

yeah it was supposed to do comfortable box office and fade through Xmas and instead it actually got MORE popular with each week.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:42 (five years ago) link

Josh Gad has now starred in a blockbuster animated feature, a Broadway hit, a primetime sitcom, and has been a Daily Show correspondent. and I've never heard of anybody liking him the slightest bit.

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:51 (five years ago) link

him & clark duke seem to have had disproportionate success

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 19:59 (five years ago) link

maybe "Jonah Hill is too busy/too expensive to do this" is an extremely fertile niche to occupy right now

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:01 (five years ago) link

plus Jonah Hill plays a Disney sidekick in WOWS.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:02 (five years ago) link

clark duke sorta makes me irrationally angry. hes just this bland fuckin lump of shit

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:04 (five years ago) link

i first knew josh gad from that one episode of party down, but admittedly i can't remember if he was good in it.

reddening, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:04 (five years ago) link

gad's good in this though. if you've been exposed to enough of these movie sidekicks that are basically Animated Hitlers, you really appreciate how un-shitty Olaf The fucktard Snowman actually is

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:05 (five years ago) link

Charlie Saxton is outchea waiting for any roles Hill, Gad, and Duke all turned down too

some dude, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:09 (five years ago) link

don't forget Josh Gad's role as Steve Wozniak in JOBS!

jaymc, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:32 (five years ago) link

this movie made a metric fuckton of money. was also one of the 2 films in the top 10 grossing of 2013 that wasnt a remake or sequel. (gravity is the other)

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:36 (five years ago) link

Yeah, I liked this very much, although I felt like they didn't spend any time setting up the "SURPRISE VILLAIN". My son disagreed with me though and pretty much could tell that SURPRISE VILLAIN was a villain from the start.

how's life, Saturday, 11 January 2014 20:37 (five years ago) link

i could too. his lips were too thin or something.

i saw this in french by the way!!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:27 (five years ago) link

how was it

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:41 (five years ago) link

i was surprised by the surprise villain and thought it was a cool twistaroo, the only visual cue i can think of that hinted at it is that he has sideburns

Hungry4Ass, Saturday, 11 January 2014 23:42 (five years ago) link

it was good in french. it was nice not knowing who was doing the voices.

when the ice-cutters were singing at the beginning i was sort of imagining that the whole thing was taking place in northern quebec or something

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 12 January 2014 01:26 (five years ago) link

(spoilers for the SECRET VILLAIN)

when i saw this the first time, i thought it was super-weird but kinda interesting that anna was basically experiencing two different kinds of disney love stories simultaneously: "love at first sight" and "this shared journey will bring us closer together and we'll fall in love." i was wondering how the hell they were going to have her deal with it; making one of the guys a secret sociopath felt like a cheap way to resolve things, particularly when there was a scene early on where the secret sociopath looks adoringly at anna when no one else is around to observe his private actions.

then again someone on metafilter said it was a great plot device because it teaches young girls to never trust a man they've just met because he might be a secret sociopath.

reddening, Sunday, 12 January 2014 02:06 (five years ago) link

it was good in french. it was nice not knowing who was doing the voices.

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:26 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

i actually didnt recognize anyone's voices, which was really refreshing

Hungry4Ass, Sunday, 12 January 2014 02:37 (five years ago) link

XP: yeah, that was my experience as well. When I.saw that dichotomy set up, I was expecting it to lead to a more mature resolution.

how's life, Sunday, 12 January 2014 10:08 (five years ago) link

This is my favorite movie of 2013. Felt it worked in every way, as a work addressing the Disney formula filmmaking-wise and politically, as a musical with great numbers, as a story on its own, the characters were captivating and unpredictable, the sidekick was not annoying but contributed positively to the humor and warmth of the story. Genuinely feels like the perfect Disney film. The villain twist: Why does it need to set up the surprise villain if he's a surprise villain? When we don't follow him along every step. She didn't get to know him and thought he was worth marrying - we didn't get to know him and thought he was marriage material, and then when we do get to know him - surprise, he's an asshole. Some people are, that's what I got out of it, and to be sure that's true.

Ideologically speaking, unlike Brave, where the female character is predictably the victim of a plot where that's something she has to defend herself again, work out, not just a character on her own, Frozen is not about her being female, it just follows naturally the relationship between two women, and some male side characters. There's no visible 'struggle' with subverting the limited Disney princess role.

Above all Frozen shows us how necessary it is to have a Disney in form to get big old musicals at their best in cinemas. There are no other films like this in 2013 or any year and when they've worked out their kinks like this the future should be bright. Jennifer Lee is one to watch, anyway.

abcfsk, Sunday, 12 January 2014 14:10 (five years ago) link

Those moments when Elsa hurt Anna (physically) and was close to killing off her and some soldiers were wonderfully tense without being too loud about it, thrilling in that you weren't exactly sure what to make of her as a character (a good thing) and what it would to do her, what she would do to others, and of course the swagger of the Let It Go sequence, a character expressing the thrill of being something special and alone and not only gloom and emo over it. So many COOL moments animations-wise as she established her snow kingdom.

abcfsk, Sunday, 12 January 2014 15:14 (five years ago) link

but what about those horrendous songs?

eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 12 January 2014 19:33 (five years ago) link

I did guess the 'surprise' ending, or at least what it entailed...

Not because I'm so brainy, there was a massive clue about 30 mins before the end.

Mark G, Sunday, 12 January 2014 22:35 (five years ago) link

http://everythingwrongwithfrozen.tumblr.com/

recommended reading

reddening, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 10:08 (five years ago) link

shit. I hadn't even thought of it that way.

how's life, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 10:21 (five years ago) link

#I'm going to turn into a cat I'm so mad

some dude, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 11:33 (five years ago) link

So I guess this movie is a giant hit? Makes sense. Not only has there been little animated competition this season, but the weather has driven a lot of people indoors (I wonder if movie tickets in general are currently up?). Also, apparently this movie has really connected with tweens.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 25 January 2014 15:01 (five years ago) link

one month passes...

liked it. nowhere near as much as abcfsk, but still, like is like. agree that many (most) of the songs are horrendous, but "let it go" is good enough to make up for a lot of that. and the filmmakers were kind enough to keep most of them quite short. also like that the movie passes the bechdel test on an integral level, not just in terms of its dialogue. the romance stories were given a fair bit of screen time, but everything hinges on the relationship between the sisters.

thuggish ruggish brony (contenderizer), Wednesday, 26 February 2014 08:07 (five years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Blows my mind what a sensation this mundane movie has become. It's basically just a bunch of trudging up and down a mountain in the snow, broken up by the filler of perfunctory (and mostly passive) villains and a talking snowman. I've challenged many a teen or pre-teen to tell me what the movie is about. Not what happens, but what's it about, and generally they're at a loss. Yeah, it's about "sisters," but the conflict is pretty weird. She's angry she hurts her sister - and she does seriously hurt her sister - so she shuts herself off, because she loves her sister so much she doesn't want to hurt her again. Her little sister is ignorant of this and doesn't know why her big sister is so ... cold. So her big sister freaks out, runs away, builds a fortress of solitude guarded by an ice monster (and inadvertently gives life to snow man), then makes everything in this already wintery hamlet more wintery (she can control her powers enough to do the former but not undo the latter). Then she ... chills out, realizes, wait, she does love her sister (was there ever any doubt?), which ... thaws her heart. And all is good. I liked "Enchanted" a lot more.

My daughters asked me to come up with a few sequels, so here's what I spitballed:

Frozen 2: Anna and Ilsa open an ice cream parlor, but they lack the business savvy to go big. A mysterious stranger arrives in town and convinces Ilsa to work with him. He instead enslaves her and steals her powers, thus cornering the ice cream market, and Anna (and later Ilsa, after she escapes) must figure out how to stop him *without* magic. They succeed, and the movie ends with all well and Ilsa powerless ... or so we think, as she gives a frosty wink after the credits roll. Which sets us up for:

Frozen 3: Love Means Never Having to Say You're Thawy: Ilsa is still keeping her powers a secret when a heat wave hits their wintery hamlet and puts an end to their flourishing ice trade. Ilsa tries to cool things down but finds out she really is powerless and unable to help. What gives? So she and her sister must go on a quest together to the heart of elf country and find out what happened. It turns out there was a prince (!) who was similarly cursed, only with heat powers. Ilsa and Anna must stop him, they succeed, and then Ilsa marries him in an elaborate fire and ice ceremony.

Frozen 4: This one is just Anna and the snowman, and probably the guy with the reindeer, too. They're out exploring when some freak accident frees a bunch of mean frozen dinosaurs and wooly mammoths and stuff, which rampage through the town until they're stopped. (The original team has nothing to do with this installment, which is designed for the straight to video market.)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:19 (five years ago) link

Yeah, it's about "sisters," but the conflict is pretty weird. She's angry she hurts her sister - and she does seriously hurt her sister - so she shuts herself off, because she loves her sister so much she doesn't want to hurt her again. Her little sister is ignorant of this and doesn't know why her big sister is so ... cold. So her big sister freaks out, runs away, builds a fortress of solitude guarded by an ice monster (and inadvertently gives life to snow man), then makes everything in this already wintery hamlet more wintery (she can control her powers enough to do the former but not undo the latter).

Never realized the emotional realities of Scandinavians would enchant the world to the tune of $1 billion.

Eric H., Monday, 17 March 2014 14:22 (five years ago) link

That's reductionist bullshit - every movie can be summed up by seemingly mundane ingredients.

abcfsk, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:44 (five years ago) link

Well, yeah. But this one in particular I didn't feel like there was enough story to support its running time (not that it was imposing or anything). Like, the innate conflict seemed pretty easy to resolve, and a lot of the other stuff seemed peripheral or perfunctory, like the loss of the parents (natch), the mustache twirling bad guy, the snow monster, the gnomes, the snowman. They felt like placeholders to me, insubstantial subs for real villains or conflicts. Even the quest, as such, of the younger sister entailed walking up a hill to talk to her grouchy sister. It was fine, but I felt no thematic/narrative through-line, just ... stuff happening.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:51 (five years ago) link

I'll have to ask my 5 year old a little more what he thought it's about. I think he mostly liked the snowman and the reindeer, and there was just enough "super powers" stuff. He dug how Elsa created the snow castle.

A Perfect Ratio of Choogle to Jam (Dan Peterson), Monday, 17 March 2014 14:52 (five years ago) link

Yeah, that's what I mean. There's a lot to like and enjoy, but the sum is less than its parts.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 March 2014 14:54 (five years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSLe4HuKuK0

peace, man, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 15:42 (nine months ago) link

My daughter, who hasn't talked about Frozen much the past few years, just mentioned last night that she wants to watch it again. Looks like we'll be doing that tonight and tacking this on at the end.

peace, man, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 15:43 (nine months ago) link

nine months pass...

I'll say it again here -- my one wish for the new movie is that it treats Olaf's Frozen Adventure as non-canon!

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:11 (three weeks ago) link

That epic short was a real stinker.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:14 (three weeks ago) link

It sure was!

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:17 (three weeks ago) link

Merch for the new movie has been flooding stores over the past few months... I'm sure you could piece together most of the plot just by looking at that stuff (to say nothing of storybook adaptations; though maybe those are held back until release).

I joked to my wife ("Spoiler alert!") that one of the playsets at Target is called "Anna's Funeral Pyre."

(I am known around the house for my sense of humor.)

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:20 (three weeks ago) link

havent been following was this Frozen film popular with young girls then or what

Appleman Appears: 20/2/2020. Whose Cider You On? (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:48 (three weeks ago) link

I'm seeing it tonight. My daughter is super-stoked. I'm cautiously hopeful.

There's one line in the trailer where Anna's like "I climbed the North Mountain, survived a frozen heart, and saved you from my ex-boyfriend..." where I just hope this thing isn't overburdened with self-referential expository dialogue.

☮ (peace, man), Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:19 (three weeks ago) link

i love Frozen so i'll be doing my best to never watch this one

The Man Who Was Thirsty (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 November 2019 11:30 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, I don’t have high hopes... They’ve haven’t yet known how (or wanted?) to do anything new with the idea (both the shorts have leaned heavily on revisiting familiar elements from the movie; though I do like Frozen Fever).

Plus, this looks like a “journey of discovery” plot, which feels like kind of a punt. Trolls World Tour may end up doing a better job with the same basic concept!

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:08 (three weeks ago) link

 I just hope this thing isn't overburdened with self-referential expository dialogue.
There's a one to two minute scene in the middle of the movie in which Olaf reenacting the entire plot of the original movie. Direct-to-video dialog from start to finish. No memorable songs (for me anyway). My daughter loved it.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 22 November 2019 02:37 (two weeks ago) link

Listening to the soundtrack and there are outtakes that beat most of the songs in the actual movie. This movie had the potential to be a lot better at one point.

☮ (peace, man), Friday, 22 November 2019 23:29 (two weeks ago) link

Lol, you mean like before they made it? My older kid is seeing it right now, I'll report back with a 15-year old's perspective.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 November 2019 23:50 (two weeks ago) link

Daughter's report: the story is forgettable/not important; the songs are good, though not as good as the first movie or "Moana;" a lot of the movie is really funny, especially the snowman; there is one sad part. She liked it.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 23 November 2019 19:50 (two weeks ago) link

Seeing this tmrrw; will report back. (I’ve consistently heard that it’s kind of sad; the “‘80s-style” song is funny; and the story is somewhat confusing.)

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 05:34 (two weeks ago) link

The soundtrack has been growing on me a little bit over the past week, but I still don't think anything rises to the level of the songs from the first one. The 80s ballad (Lost in the Woods) was kinda funny, sure. But my experience was that it was tonally weird in the movie. Like, it would have made a great YouTube short or something.

I disagree that story is unimportant! I just think that it was told in a really slapdash way.

I'd also like to add the caveat to all my criticisms that I had a long day at work and a rough commute home before I saw it, so there is a possibility that I went into it subconsciously looking to be let down. Will probably try to see it again with my kid if we get the chance.

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 12:59 (two weeks ago) link

My younger daughter (12) reported back, too. She was maybe a hair more positive than my older daughter, but both seemed to really enjoyed it. She's made a good case that this movie's wannabe anthem is good but probably too hard to sing to stick like "Let It Go." She did like the '80s song (which I haven't heard yet), and as for story, thought that things kept resolving and rebooting too often. "We have to do the thing to do the thing! Ok, now it's done. Oh, wait, now we have to do the other thing!"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 13:26 (two weeks ago) link

The plots of these films have sure gotten more complex over the decades, huh? Never really thought about that before.

The last one I saw (Coco, which is technically Pixar, but I’ll cite it anyway) felt like it had one too many twists/reveals/reversals as it reached its big climax. (Didn’t help that most of the movie was just kind of “walking around.”) Talk about a poignant ending, though!

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Well, I enjoyed the movie... the beginning is pretty slow and pedestrian-feeling, which is a notable contrast to the original (I feel like the economy of storytelling at the beginning of Frozen is a highlight). But once the movie gets where it's going, it has a sort of gravity and integrity. I like how -- for better or worse -- it feels like a product of the same creative team as the original. And while the plot has some issues, it feels suitable & satisfying as a continuation/conclusion of the story. Overall, the movie doesn't feel like a "cash grab" or awkwardly grafted-on (...like Olaf's Frozen Adventure did!).

The songs were good, though not quite as good as before; and there's probably one too many of them. (Some of them are also clearly meant to be analogues to specific songs in the first movie.) But the lullaby ("All is Found") is beautiful; particularly the Kacey Mugraves version over the end credits. "Lost in the Woods" isn't the '80s pastiche I was expecting... it's more a straight-up tribute to (or parody of) Peter Cetera's "The Glory of Love."

There's a one to two minute scene in the middle of the movie in which Olaf reenacting the entire plot of the original movie.

This was a highlight! They did a good job with Olaf and his schtick in this film. Also, the (related) final gag scene is worth sitting thru 10 minutes of credits, and a Weezer song, to see.

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 22:44 (two weeks ago) link

One more thing: the animation was awesome (as you’d expect). We saw it in a big, plush, Dolby-equipped theater, and the tech details were top-notch.

There is some interesting visual analysis and other tidbits in this article I just found (while searching for something else): https://www.insider.com/frozen-2-details-you-missed-2019-11

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:00 (two weeks ago) link

There's a Weezer song in this? And a Panic! at the Disco song?!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:08 (two weeks ago) link

Yeah — P!ATTD does “Into the Unknown” over the end credits; K. Musgraves does the lullaby; and Weezer (superfluously) performs “Lost in the Woods.”

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

(Then there’s a few minutes of score... long-ass credits!)

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 23:16 (two weeks ago) link

Visually I thought this was stunning, and *cinema is a visual medium* after all. The plot was sort of inscrutable, but I liked the mood and feel of the whole thing, it felt very folkloric and took some steps outside the typical linear disney story structure (while still having a few key parts of it). I didn't actually care that much that I didn't like the plot. The songs were bad and took me out of it -- the 80s ballad was *funny*, but it was still a big "why?" for me.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 December 2019 03:29 (one week ago) link

Myself, I’ve been kind of obsessed with a few of the songs... have been not-so-subtly suggesting to the family that we see the movie again.

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 04:34 (one week ago) link

(“Lost in the Woods” is not one of those songs, btw... though I do think it’s better than “Fixer-Upper” (the “funny” song from the first movie). I also think it serves a purpose and expresses something about Kristoff and his relationship w/Anna, both generally and in that moment.)

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 04:53 (one week ago) link

I felt like the music in the first one managed to stay more consistent with the tone of the movie itself -- even the fixer upper song, while corny, suited the troll scene. But here it seemed all over the place.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 December 2019 04:55 (one week ago) link

This was a good film for the white folks

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 2 December 2019 05:29 (one week ago) link

xp I agree that most of the songs in the first movie are hard to beat; both "tunefully," and in how they convey plot & character details... this is particularly true of the "Do You Want to Build a Snowman?" > "For the First Time in Forever" > "Love Is an Open Door" triad. (And, of course, "Let It Go" is sui generis.)

That said, I haven't been able to get "Some Things Never Change" and "Into the Unknown" out of my head...

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 06:17 (one week ago) link

I also think “Show Yourself” is cool (it reminds me of a 10,000 Maniacs song); I like how it echoes the “Into the Unknown” melody, and builds to a big duet crescendo. Though I wish they had taken one more pass at the lyric — ”I’ve always been different / Normal rules did not apply...”

(My wife walked in earlier while I was folding laundry and listening to this soundtrack from my cellphone speaker.)

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 07:11 (one week ago) link

I've seen Frozen 2 reportedly making $739 million domestically, with a record breaking Thanksgiving weekend. So as also reported, Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker will likely become Disney's seventh $1 billion film this year. Talk about cornering the box office, apparently Disney is the box office.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 December 2019 15:26 (one week ago) link

that's the worldwide gross.

wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:00 (one week ago) link

is there any logical explanation for a) how anna and elsa immediately recognized their father as a youth in the ice sculpture, when they have no idea what he looked like as a youth, and b) simultaneously did not recognize their mother as a youth in the same sculpture until later

keep in mind that the movie tells us that photography has been invented in the 30-40 years that have passed since the events of the flashback. which was a weird touch.

na (NA), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:54 (one week ago) link

this movie was fine but it was so unnecessarily heavy. every character dealing with their own trauma and misery, including the one comic relief character going through an existential crisis. the water horse was cool though.

na (NA), Monday, 2 December 2019 16:55 (one week ago) link

xxpost Ah, ok. I've seen it reported different ways.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 December 2019 17:05 (one week ago) link

is there any logical explanation for a) how anna and elsa immediately recognized their father as a youth in the ice sculpture, when they have no idea what he looked like as a youth, and b) simultaneously did not recognize their mother as a youth in the same sculpture until later

I assumed that there are portrait(s) of their dad as a youth hanging in the palace (they're big on portraits). Not sure about the mother; although was it established exactly when she moved to Arendelle and married their father?

My son y'day asked -- if water can flow through the mist and leave the enchanted forest, why didn't the Arendellians didn't just sail on the river back home? I guess, you know, it's magic...

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 17:44 (one week ago) link

keep in mind that the movie tells us that photography has been invented in the 30-40 years that have passed since the events of the flashback. which was a weird touch.

I also thought it was interesting that they established a real-world timeframe for the events in the Frozen Extended Universe (complete with the in-joke about The Little Mermaid's publication date).

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 17:53 (one week ago) link

So apparently there are references in the first one to it taking place in 1839?

https://disney.fandom.com/wiki/Arendelle
The time period for Frozen is set in July 1839. In the upper left-hand corner of the geographical map shown in Frozen Fever, it is suggested by a set of Roman numerals that the year in which Anna turned nineteen was 1840. (MDCCCXL is the exact numeral order.) Oaken's statement, "A real howler in July, yes?", confirms the month is set in July. This being said, given that Anna is eighteen as of the events of Frozen, it can be logically assumed that Frozen takes place in July 1839.[2].

Frozen II seems to pick up pretty soon after the first one -- I don't remember if there are any references to passage of time, but it seems like a year at most.

According to Wiki the Daguerreotype was in fact introduced publicly worldwide in 1839 -- I don't know how widespread the use was yet, but it seems at least plausible that there could have been people in Arendelle with portrait photos by late 1839-mid 1840. I'm actually impressed that there was this much attention to detail.

Another interesting thing to note -- the wiki entry on the Sami history is light on this time period, but does note that Sami were becoming increasingly marginalized in the early to mid 19th century, and also that changes in borders hampered their ability to herd reindeer freely. There also was apparently a major controversy involving the Sami and the construction of a hydroelectric dam in the 1970s, so I wonder if there is a lose allusion to that.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:07 (one week ago) link

*loose

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:07 (one week ago) link

Frozen II seems to pick up pretty soon after the first one -- I don't remember if there are any references to passage of time, but it seems like a year at most.

They say that it's been 3 years from the events of the first movie (and 6 years from when the parents disappeared). Interesting info you found, thx... I had sometimes wondered about "anachronisms" in the first movie, but didn't think (or care enough) to pin down the actual year.

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:12 (one week ago) link

A quick skim of the Wikipedia article for "Bicycle" seems to confirm my suspicion that the bike Anna rides in the first movie is anachronistic!!

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:21 (one week ago) link

3 years? Kristof really taking his sweet time to propose.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:25 (one week ago) link

He's got a couple of bugs (or so I hear)

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:37 (one week ago) link

I read something the other day that pinpointed the time period closer to the 1860s, but can't recall where that was.

☮ (peace, man), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:49 (one week ago) link

It was the time of trolls, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 December 2019 18:52 (one week ago) link

Looks like The Little Mermaid wuz first published in 1837, and then republished in 1849.

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 18:55 (one week ago) link

Another neat little thing -- Frozen is known to be loosely based on The Snow Queen by Hans Christian Andersen. IIRC, there's a scene where young dad says he is reading "some new Danish author." Hans Christian Andersen had his first commercial successes roughly in the early 1830s. Snow Queen was published in 1844 -- just a couple years after the events of the second film if the first really takes place in 1839.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:10 (one week ago) link

Oh -- that's the the line that I thought was understood to be referring to "The Little Mermaid." Guess "The Snow Queen" makes more sense, lol

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Monday, 2 December 2019 19:12 (one week ago) link

The deluxe version of this soundtrack has a few outtakes, more of which are underwhelming -- with the exception of "I Seek the Truth," an excellent Elsa song that sounds like it was written for the scene where "Show Yourself" ended up. (While the other outtakes are full versions recorded by cast members, this one is just Kristen Anderson-Lopez and a piano.)

New Car Smell (morrisp), Monday, 9 December 2019 02:42 (three days ago) link

*(“more” = “most”)

New Car Smell (morrisp), Monday, 9 December 2019 02:47 (three days ago) link


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