Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

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The poll closing date is the Ant-Man film's premiere date, 10 weeks after Avengers 2, the beginning of Phase 3.

Anticipation threads for individual movies will happen as they always do, but it seems reasonable to have a catch-all thread for the MCU.

Stan Lee cameos: threat or menace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

discuss, et cetera

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Classic 69
Dud 63


WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:35 (five years ago) link

Going to see Captain America 2 tonight - I caught the first one on Netflix and it was way better than I expected.

Avengers was a lot of fun in the theater, but I haven't watched it again. Not sure it would hold up at home.

Not a big fan of the Iron Man movies - RDJ's charisma is outweighed by every other element being dull.

Classic just for doing better than the non-MCU properties and waaaaaaaay better than DC.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:45 (five years ago) link

It's quite a thing, spending hundreds of millions to make billions, and basing it all on superhero comics and boomer nostalgia. But they've managed to produce some reasonably good action films so far. My bias is based on Marvel Zombie status dating to 1972, but I try to be clear-eyed with dissenting views.

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:51 (five years ago) link

Dud, both for the passable-at-best movies and for the concept itself.

Simon H., Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link

I guess the nostalgia is not limited to boomers, though. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link

The current crop are pretty classic (though classic seems too strong, tbh). I like the way the serialized, cross-property roll-out parallels the comics. Lots of titles, different takes on familiar characters, largely fun and competent, not totally stupid, thus far really well cast.

I also like the first two Singer X-Men movies a lot, or at least did at the time. Wish those and the FF were part of the official family. But Spider-man, I've got no problem letting him dangle.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 21:11 (five years ago) link

just inoffensive and mediocre enough to be broadly popular

Popture, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:02 (five years ago) link

Rebooting Spider-man so soon after the other trilogy is easily the worst thing about this.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:17 (five years ago) link

Spider-Man isn't part of the MCU.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:18 (five years ago) link

I thought that was a Marvel comic.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:20 (five years ago) link

Ah, rtfa, gotcha.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:22 (five years ago) link

It is, but the MCU refers specifically to the properties controlled by Marvel Studios. Sony has movie rights to Spider-Man and Fox has the rights to X-Men stuff. It's kinda convoluted. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:23 (five years ago) link

This sums things up quite nicely
http://jonnegroni.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/dnxshsd.png?w=700&h=560p

tsrobodo, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:35 (five years ago) link

But also worth noting that the previous Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil movies and Ang Lee's Hulk don't count. A situation so convoluted it could've only been whipped up by people in the mainstream comics industry.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

Milo summation otm

recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 7 April 2014 00:51 (five years ago) link

Good luck making a megafranchise out of Namor and Man-Thing, Universal and Lionsgate!

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:14 (five years ago) link

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

Certainly, not all of them are great or even particularly good in some cases - I don't need to see Hulk, Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 again - but to me they all seem to have a level of affection for and understanding of the characters which in itself is actually pretty unusual for comic-book movies. Man of Steel is probably the worst example of this - everyone involved seemed actively embarrassed to be making movie about Superman - but there are plenty of others, like Bruce Wayne just straight-up giving up on being Batman for years in TDKR or Sandman turning out to be Uncle Ben's killer in Spider-Man 3.

If I was 12 years old now, I'd be thrilled that every six months I could go to the movies and see an excitingly-realised, generally faithful representation of the comics I loved on the screen. At 33, I enjoy them as fun action movies with an unusually ambitious shared-world underpinning which are for the most part way more coherent than other giant summer pictures.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:37 (five years ago) link

In a interview with Total Film, Iron Man 3 co-writer and All Hail the King writer-director Drew Pearce mentioned seeing Damage Control as a possible Marvel One-Shot film.

If this actually happened it would make the whole enterprise worthwhile regardless of any other concerns imo

soref, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:52 (five years ago) link

I've enjoyed most of the MCU movies, and I agree that the heroes have mostly been perfectly cast... But like I said in the Winter Soldier thread, I think probably the biggest flaw in these movies is that the villains have mostly been rather bland. It seems that the MCU has followed the lead of the Nolan Batman movies in that they try to make the villains "realistic" and gritty, i.e. that their origins are explained by "science", there's no magic or cosmic powers etc involved, they don't wear funky villains costumes, they don't have over-the-top despotic personalities, and so on... But this means the villains have mostly been corrupt businessmen or politicians, tough dudes in armor and/or with cybernetic parts, or (like Batroc in the new Cap movie) just your regular action movie thugs with some special martial arts moves, all of which are pretty boring. So while they've managed to turn memorable comic book heroes into memorable movie characters, the same hasn't really happened with the villains.

The biggest exception to the above is Loki, who benefits from the fact that Thor's setting is not "realistic" in any way, so they couldreally make him larger than life, No wonder they had Loki as the main antagonist in the Avengers movie (yeah, I know, he was the first Avengers villain in the comics too, but no one forced them to follow that pattern), since he's pretty much the only true & memorable supervillain they've done so far. But hopefully this'll change with upcoming Guardians and Dr. Strange movies, and when Ultron and Thanos turn up in Avengers... There's no way you could make those villains "realistic", so I hope they won't even try.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:39 (five years ago) link

So far generally more towards the classic side, though I fear diminishing returns may set in soon unless they find some way of upping the already pretty massive stakes*. I like the ambition of having a network of narratively connected mega-budget films, it's something that has never been done before at all (unless you buy into the Unified Theory of Pixar, ha).

And I echo the point made above that pre-teen me would have loved the shit out of this, which is a fair indication they've been doing their job.

*I think a major character's death would help with this, but would they dare?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:44 (five years ago) link

An interesting poll might be the MCU vs the Dark Knight trilogy. Had a long and repetitive debate in the pub on Friday about just that.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:46 (five years ago) link

xp I'm pretty certain they'll kill Chris Evans and replace him as Captain America with Sebastian Stan. It's already laid out clearly in the comics and Evans is only signed up for six movies, which will be up after the next Cap / Avengers movies.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:47 (five years ago) link

I guess that's possible... It was interesting that they didn't really resolve Bucky's plot arc in any way in the new Cap movie, so it seems they definitely have some future plans for him.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (five years ago) link

Well, Sebastian Stan's signed up for nine movies and he's only been in two, so...

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (five years ago) link

Bucky's a way more interesting character than Cap, so I think it would do the MCU good to replace him in a few years - how much more mileage could they really wring out of Evans's essential goodness after two more movies?

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:57 (five years ago) link

Though if they kill anyone, I think it'll be Tony Stark. Downey it already starting to feel a bit old for the role, and I don't think he has too many movies left in his contract either? Plus there's comic book precedent too for another dude replacing him inside the armor, and that other dude is already a major supporting character in the movies. (The only problem with this is that they cast Don Cheadle as Rhodey, and he's as old as Downey is.)

(xxpost)

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:59 (five years ago) link

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:02 (five years ago) link

I think the Downey Problem is going to be make-or-break for the whole enterprise. The MCU is basically built on his charisma - if the first Iron Man had failed they would have been fucked for real. Downey's said he knows he can't (and doesn't want to) play Tony forever, and I think they'll have to recast Stark rather than replace him as Iron Man, at least in the long term. I don't think they'll kill him, but I'll be interested to see how they get around the inevitable problem of actors moving on for one reason or another. They're really in uncharted waters here - there's never been an interrelated movie universe where beloved actors will have to be replaced eventually.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:04 (five years ago) link

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

I dunno, he's still 10 to 20 years older than the other actors, except for Ruffalo... And with Hulk the guy playing isn't as important, they've already changed him twice.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:08 (five years ago) link

"with Hulk the guy playing Banner"

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:09 (five years ago) link

First Iron Man movie was good. Strong story and clever lines. Everything else I've seen has been middling. I do like that they got Kenneth Branagh to do the first Thor movie -- that was a clever choice.

qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:12 (five years ago) link

Tuomas mostly OTM upthread about the MCU villains so far. I don't think the issue is so much that they've tried to 'grittify' them, though, so much as the rogue's galleries of the heroes who've starred in movies so far just aren't very deep or exciting or Marvel don't own the rights to best of them. Like, an Iron Man vs Doctor Doom movie could be aces but will never happen if Fox have any say in the matter. Whiplash just isn't on the same level.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (five years ago) link

I think Avengers is the best so far, as it should've been.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (five years ago) link

True, but they haven't really done a good job with the rogues galleries' they do have available either... Like, the Mandarin thing in Iron Man 3 was a clever plot twist, but that just meant the real bad guy was yet another corrupt business type. (Obviously they couldn't use the comic book Mandarin as he was originally conceiced, since he's a Fu Manchu style racist stereotype, but they could've made him into a R'as al Ghul style righteous terrorist or something, and make him have actual superpowers.) And one of the reasons Thor 2 was worse than Thor 1 is because they Malekith into a totally generic baddie, even though the comic book Malekith is a cool villain (a gende-bending shapeshifter elf), and they even had a good actor playing him. That was a total waste of what could've been a potentially great villain.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:47 (five years ago) link

There was a lot of talk around the release of Thor 2 that Malekith had suffered at the expense of reshoots which expanded Loki's role in response to universal admiration for Hiddleston. They definitely did a terrible job with Malekith and Kurse; I wonder if they were less dull in the original plan for the movie.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:53 (five years ago) link

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I still passionately read massive amounts of comics as a 33+-year-old [I spent $770 just on posting comics home to myself in two months in the US last year] and the Marvel comic-book universe can eat my balls. What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:59 (five years ago) link

Plus, if they don't want to limit themselves to "canonical Iron Man villains" or "canonical Cap villains", there's a whole bunch of cool Avengers they could use: Kang the Conqueror! Count Nefaria! Masters of Evil! Korvac! The Absorbing Man And Titania! It definitely seems to be like they've decidedly used the more "realistic" villains, and left out the ones with more fantastic powers and larger-than-life personalities.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:02 (five years ago) link

Def. pisses me off that Stan Lee gets a cameo in the new Cap America movie, a character he had nothing to do w/ creating

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:03 (five years ago) link

I don't think Kirby or Simon were available

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:08 (five years ago) link

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:09 (five years ago) link

Ah, this debate again.

Anyway, Loki def. the only villain with presence thus far in these films. Which is odd, because I think they did a good job with the Spider-man villains so far (at least with the Raimi ones), and X-Men villains. Maybe it's just a matter of casting the right actor? Like, Red Skull is a great villain, but maybe Hugo Weaving was not the best choice? But then, Iron Man has faced nothing but generic baddies so far, actors be damned. Didn't Thor fight a giant robot in the first movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:11 (five years ago) link

What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:12 (five years ago) link

There's a rumour that Gerry Conway is banned from the premiere of the new Spider-man film, despite it apparently being based on one of his most famous issues.

(Google suggests this might now be resolved after the director took the issue to Sony.)

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:38 (five years ago) link

I've enjoyed at least a third of these movies.

So, dud.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 12:45 (five years ago) link

A third of each movie, or a third of the movies total?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:18 (five years ago) link

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

I won't see them for this reason, so I don't have any view at all on their quality.

(Liked the first Iron Man on a cheap matinee, second one was far less good, wasn't interested in Thor or Hulk 2, wasn't interested in Cap 1 and Marvel getting a summary judgment against the Kirby heirs in the week of release made me go "eeesh, I can't pay for any of these that I might be interested in in the future." Mantlo's brother specifically asking people with financial qualms to go see Guardians Of The Galaxy means I might, but my reason for interest is Pratt and Gunn. Maaaaybe I'd watch Avengers on TV, but I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as Cabin In The Woods or Much Ado.) [I'd have been curious about watching maybe half an hour of Winter Soldier to see how the Russos' style might translate to an action film.]

― bizarro gazzara, Monday, April 7, 2014 10:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

I'm not interested in Star Trek Into Darkness either!

Anyway, no: the creators of most of the Marvel characters were specifically promised financial participation that they were never given; if Meyer doesn't get residuals from home video sales and TV broadcasts of Wrath Of Khan, it's because he specifically agreed to forgo them in whatever arbitration took place over his credit; under Levitz, creators who'd had story elements inspire aspects of DC movie plots quietly got appreciation cheques [this has ended under Nelson, obviously]; George Lucas got lots of the money from at least five out of six Star Wars movies; J.K. Rowling earns about $400 million a year from Harry Potter.

People being fucked over wrt media properties doesn't have to be a rule: every time someone is, it's because other people have made an active decision to do so.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:47 (five years ago) link

I read an interview with Brubaker where he was like "it's great that this is the first time Marvel have made a movie where there's a book with the same name as it out there so hopefully I'll get some more royalties". It seems crazy that he won't see any money directly

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:51 (five years ago) link

I mean, I was mainly saying comic books /= Marvel.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:52 (five years ago) link

xpost - Brubaker only gets domestic royalties at all because he's currently signed exclusively to Marvel. They don't pay them as a matter of course, and IIRC haven't paid foreign royalties since the 1980s.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:54 (five years ago) link

Meyer didn't create Khan, of course (character pre-exists the Wrath of Khan)

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:57 (five years ago) link

okay, let's stop doing Frozen now

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:27 (two months ago) link

maybe scorsese should weigh in on this one

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 18:47 (two months ago) link

Gaslighting!

― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 7:38 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

has anybody told you that this is not gaslighting

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:08 (two months ago) link

Why, is that a pet peeve of yours?

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:30 (two months ago) link

So Scorcese really don't like Marvel huh

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 19:36 (two months ago) link

Why, is that a pet peeve of yours?

― paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, November 20, 2019 12:30 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah bc it is a very specific term that does not mean "someone has a radically different reading of a movie than me and they're insisting on it"

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:06 (two months ago) link

the script for The Incredibles is plot point for plot point and at every step philosophically a close approximation of The Fountainhead, if you don't see if you have blinders on i'm sorry that's simply how it is. nb i have neither seen the incredibles nor read the fountainhead.

omar little, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:09 (two months ago) link

brad, it wasn't about his reading of the movie; it was that he was being untruthful about its basic story, apparently in hopes that we would also forget what the movie was about. I conceded that he was not literally engaging in psychological torture or abuse.

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:18 (two months ago) link

*concede

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:19 (two months ago) link

On the off chance that someone might want to discuss the Marvel Cinematic Universe at some point in the future, is there a place where we might go to do that? Do you guys know?

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:23 (two months ago) link

look it's called synergy

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:26 (two months ago) link

Gonna be a long wait for Phase 4

paris geller spinoff pitch (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:27 (two months ago) link

let's take it back to Marvel

https://www.reddit.com/r/disney/comments/4kfaqv/are_the_incredibles_in_the_marvel_universe_now/

omar little, Wednesday, 20 November 2019 20:28 (two months ago) link

the script for The Incredibles is plot point for plot point and at every step philosophically a close approximation of The Fountainhead, if you don't see if you have blinders on i'm sorry that's simply how it is. nb i have neither seen the incredibles nor read the fountainhead.

― omar little, Wednesday, November 20, 2019 3:09 PM bookmarkflaglink

Lol

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:02 (two months ago) link

This derail is so much more entertaining than the thread had been previously.

speaking of democracy being a bad idea and some entities having too much power

"the forseeable future of how movies are made, shown, and seen?"

for the love of fucking christ

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, October 24, 2019 2:34 AM (four weeks ago)

(four weeks ago)

insecurity bear (sic), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:35 (two months ago) link

Is there actually a thread where we can anticipate Frozen 2?

My one wish is that it treats the trashy retcon Olaf's Frozen Adventure as non-canon.

hip musical crush (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 23:54 (two months ago) link

thx, sic

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:10 (two months ago) link

Olaf's Frozen Adventure

ugh @ this thuleist swill

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:58 (two months ago) link

lmao it's gonna be fun to see just how crazy this thread gets in the 5 months between now and the next MCU release

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 00:59 (two months ago) link

It's practically inert when there are actually current movies to discuss.

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:26 (two months ago) link

place your bets on the first one to flop:
https://collider.com/upcoming-new-superhero-movies-2016-2020-release-dates/

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:47 (two months ago) link

New Mutants seems like the obvious one. Hope I'm wrong though!

Nhex, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:49 (two months ago) link

Hope they all fucking bomb

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:50 (two months ago) link

i will admit that i'm into maisie williams as rahne but i won't likely see any of these at all as I'm pretty burnt out. Maybe once they're on video.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:53 (two months ago) link

for purposes of this thread, New Mutants /= MCU

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 02:58 (two months ago) link

Fair enough. Eternals then

Nhex, Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:05 (two months ago) link

yeah that's gonna be interesting... little-known and tbh p goofy project orthogonal to mainstream MU/MCU... but hey Guardians worked out okay

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:20 (two months ago) link

The Jared Leto movie will flop, Birds of Prey might

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:26 (two months ago) link

aw cmon Jared Leto as ILX's own Dr. Morbius will pack 'em in at the multiplex

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 21 November 2019 03:44 (two months ago) link

i've been saying this over and over again but once more: chloe zhao is a great filmmaker and i WILL actually see Eternals in the theaters for her sake but i'm not expecting it to be CINEMA mwah haw haw

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 21 November 2019 04:07 (two months ago) link

(four weeks ago)

― insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, November 21, 2019 8:35 AM (twelve hours ago)

since posting this, a December 7th screening of Jingle All The Way has been withdrawn from the Redmond Theatre in Detroit, a fact I read after returning from a Seattle theatre that has it scheduled for the 19th

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:01 (two months ago) link

a) Good
b) Insisting that the MCU is what's responsible for this isn't any better a look than four weeks ago.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:46 (two months ago) link

do you think repealing the Paramount Decrees is good?

insecurity bear (sic), Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:51 (two months ago) link

No, of course not.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 November 2019 10:57 (two months ago) link

Disney wasn’t subject to the Paramount Decrees (just fyi)

hip musical crush (morrisp), Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:02 (two months ago) link

The world where the Disney-Fox merger went through is the only of all possible worlds where sic goes to bat for certified popcorn classic Jingle All the Way.

War Crimes Tribunal of the Network Stars (Old Lunch), Thursday, 21 November 2019 14:16 (two months ago) link

Further to my earlier post:

I remember Alan Moore many years ago talking about a 1970s UK fanzine article that raised the question of fascism in relation to superhero comics, and how influential this was on his thinking about the form - so this isn't a new thing for him, or for comics fandom.

― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:51 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I was pleased to see this post on the author Stan Nichols FB page the other day:

A friend has pointed me to an interview with Alan Moore from ‘Comic Book Artist’ issue 9. Talking about the genesis of Watchmen, Alan says:

“I remember at the time - this would’ve been when I was just starting to get involved in British comics fandom - there was a British fanzine that was published over here by a gentleman called Stan Nicholls (who has since gone to write a number of fantasy books). In Stan’s fanzine, Stardock, there was an article called “Propaganda, or Why the Blue Beetle Voted for George Wallace.” (laughter) This was the late-’60s, and British comics fandom had quite a strong hippie element. Despite the fact that Steve Ditko was obviously a hero to the hippies with his psychedelic “Dr. Strange” work and for the teen angst of Spider-Man, Ditko’s politics were obviously very different from those fans. His views were apparent through his portrayals of Mr. A and the protesters or beatniks that occasionally surfaced in his other work. I think this article was the first to actually point out that, yes, Steve Ditko did have a very right-wing agenda (which of course, he’s completely entitled to), but at the time, it was quite interesting, and that probably led to me portraying [Watchmen character] Rorschach as an extremely right-wing character.”

The article in question was by the late Michel Parry. I know Michel would have been chuffed, as I am, to have played a small part in inspiring a character in Watchmen.
You can read the full text of the CBA interview with Alan here:
https://www.twomorrows.com/comicbooka…/articles/09moore.html

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 24 November 2019 08:07 (two months ago) link

He doesn’t mention fascism in that excerpt(?)

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Sunday, 24 November 2019 16:35 (two months ago) link

it's kinda fucked up that Scorcese bashed comic book movies and now he's adapting Irish Man

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 November 2019 17:06 (two months ago) link

He doesn’t mention fascism in that excerpt(?)

he didn't use the word fascism in the 2016 interview either, you and Mordy did

insecurity bear (sic), Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:39 (two months ago) link

Uh... ok?

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:44 (two months ago) link

At any rate, Moore will be gratified to see his observations about superhero whiteness echoed and expanded by the creator of a project that Moore can totally get beh-

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/26/watchmen-creator-damon-lindelof-talks-about-americas-white-superhero-complex/amp

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 02:28 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

Marvel and I have mutually agreed to part ways on Doctor Strange: In the Multiverse of Madness due to creative differences. I am thankful for our collaboration and will remain on as EP.

— N O S ⋊ Ɔ I ᴚ ᴚ Ǝ ᗡ ⊥ ⊥ O Ɔ S (@scottderrickson) January 10, 2020

groovypanda, Friday, 10 January 2020 08:12 (one month ago) link

"writer/director of The Exorcism of Emily Rose, Sinister, Doctor Strange and not the upcoming Doctor Strange: In The Multiverse of Madness"

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 10 January 2020 08:15 (one month ago) link

rip big man, heaven needed a mediocre director who made a distinctly lower-tier marvel movie

'Sly Cooper' Movie Breaking Into Theaters In 2016 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 January 2020 09:40 (one month ago) link

That's a harsh way to describe Iron Man + Shrooms.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 10 January 2020 10:27 (one month ago) link

sorry sorry sorry can we go back to talking about Jingle All The Way for a second...
are we saying Turbo Man is now in the MCU?

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 10 January 2020 10:30 (one month ago) link

Yeah, he certainly was no Jon Favreau.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 January 2020 12:51 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Coke commercials are trve cinema.

dad genes (morrisp), Monday, 3 February 2020 01:05 (two weeks ago) link


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