Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

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The poll closing date is the Ant-Man film's premiere date, 10 weeks after Avengers 2, the beginning of Phase 3.

Anticipation threads for individual movies will happen as they always do, but it seems reasonable to have a catch-all thread for the MCU.

Stan Lee cameos: threat or menace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

discuss, et cetera

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Classic 69
Dud 63


WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:35 (six years ago) link

Going to see Captain America 2 tonight - I caught the first one on Netflix and it was way better than I expected.

Avengers was a lot of fun in the theater, but I haven't watched it again. Not sure it would hold up at home.

Not a big fan of the Iron Man movies - RDJ's charisma is outweighed by every other element being dull.

Classic just for doing better than the non-MCU properties and waaaaaaaay better than DC.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:45 (six years ago) link

It's quite a thing, spending hundreds of millions to make billions, and basing it all on superhero comics and boomer nostalgia. But they've managed to produce some reasonably good action films so far. My bias is based on Marvel Zombie status dating to 1972, but I try to be clear-eyed with dissenting views.

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:51 (six years ago) link

Dud, both for the passable-at-best movies and for the concept itself.

Simon H., Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (six years ago) link

I guess the nostalgia is not limited to boomers, though. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (six years ago) link

The current crop are pretty classic (though classic seems too strong, tbh). I like the way the serialized, cross-property roll-out parallels the comics. Lots of titles, different takes on familiar characters, largely fun and competent, not totally stupid, thus far really well cast.

I also like the first two Singer X-Men movies a lot, or at least did at the time. Wish those and the FF were part of the official family. But Spider-man, I've got no problem letting him dangle.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 21:11 (six years ago) link

just inoffensive and mediocre enough to be broadly popular

Popture, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:02 (six years ago) link

Rebooting Spider-man so soon after the other trilogy is easily the worst thing about this.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:17 (six years ago) link

Spider-Man isn't part of the MCU.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:18 (six years ago) link

I thought that was a Marvel comic.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:20 (six years ago) link

Ah, rtfa, gotcha.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:22 (six years ago) link

It is, but the MCU refers specifically to the properties controlled by Marvel Studios. Sony has movie rights to Spider-Man and Fox has the rights to X-Men stuff. It's kinda convoluted. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:23 (six years ago) link

This sums things up quite nicely
http://jonnegroni.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/dnxshsd.png?w=700&h=560p

tsrobodo, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:35 (six years ago) link

But also worth noting that the previous Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil movies and Ang Lee's Hulk don't count. A situation so convoluted it could've only been whipped up by people in the mainstream comics industry.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:59 (six years ago) link

Milo summation otm

recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 7 April 2014 00:51 (six years ago) link

Good luck making a megafranchise out of Namor and Man-Thing, Universal and Lionsgate!

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:14 (six years ago) link

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

Certainly, not all of them are great or even particularly good in some cases - I don't need to see Hulk, Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 again - but to me they all seem to have a level of affection for and understanding of the characters which in itself is actually pretty unusual for comic-book movies. Man of Steel is probably the worst example of this - everyone involved seemed actively embarrassed to be making movie about Superman - but there are plenty of others, like Bruce Wayne just straight-up giving up on being Batman for years in TDKR or Sandman turning out to be Uncle Ben's killer in Spider-Man 3.

If I was 12 years old now, I'd be thrilled that every six months I could go to the movies and see an excitingly-realised, generally faithful representation of the comics I loved on the screen. At 33, I enjoy them as fun action movies with an unusually ambitious shared-world underpinning which are for the most part way more coherent than other giant summer pictures.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:37 (six years ago) link

In a interview with Total Film, Iron Man 3 co-writer and All Hail the King writer-director Drew Pearce mentioned seeing Damage Control as a possible Marvel One-Shot film.

If this actually happened it would make the whole enterprise worthwhile regardless of any other concerns imo

soref, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:52 (six years ago) link

I've enjoyed most of the MCU movies, and I agree that the heroes have mostly been perfectly cast... But like I said in the Winter Soldier thread, I think probably the biggest flaw in these movies is that the villains have mostly been rather bland. It seems that the MCU has followed the lead of the Nolan Batman movies in that they try to make the villains "realistic" and gritty, i.e. that their origins are explained by "science", there's no magic or cosmic powers etc involved, they don't wear funky villains costumes, they don't have over-the-top despotic personalities, and so on... But this means the villains have mostly been corrupt businessmen or politicians, tough dudes in armor and/or with cybernetic parts, or (like Batroc in the new Cap movie) just your regular action movie thugs with some special martial arts moves, all of which are pretty boring. So while they've managed to turn memorable comic book heroes into memorable movie characters, the same hasn't really happened with the villains.

The biggest exception to the above is Loki, who benefits from the fact that Thor's setting is not "realistic" in any way, so they couldreally make him larger than life, No wonder they had Loki as the main antagonist in the Avengers movie (yeah, I know, he was the first Avengers villain in the comics too, but no one forced them to follow that pattern), since he's pretty much the only true & memorable supervillain they've done so far. But hopefully this'll change with upcoming Guardians and Dr. Strange movies, and when Ultron and Thanos turn up in Avengers... There's no way you could make those villains "realistic", so I hope they won't even try.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:39 (six years ago) link

So far generally more towards the classic side, though I fear diminishing returns may set in soon unless they find some way of upping the already pretty massive stakes*. I like the ambition of having a network of narratively connected mega-budget films, it's something that has never been done before at all (unless you buy into the Unified Theory of Pixar, ha).

And I echo the point made above that pre-teen me would have loved the shit out of this, which is a fair indication they've been doing their job.

*I think a major character's death would help with this, but would they dare?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:44 (six years ago) link

An interesting poll might be the MCU vs the Dark Knight trilogy. Had a long and repetitive debate in the pub on Friday about just that.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:46 (six years ago) link

xp I'm pretty certain they'll kill Chris Evans and replace him as Captain America with Sebastian Stan. It's already laid out clearly in the comics and Evans is only signed up for six movies, which will be up after the next Cap / Avengers movies.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:47 (six years ago) link

I guess that's possible... It was interesting that they didn't really resolve Bucky's plot arc in any way in the new Cap movie, so it seems they definitely have some future plans for him.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (six years ago) link

Well, Sebastian Stan's signed up for nine movies and he's only been in two, so...

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (six years ago) link

Bucky's a way more interesting character than Cap, so I think it would do the MCU good to replace him in a few years - how much more mileage could they really wring out of Evans's essential goodness after two more movies?

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:57 (six years ago) link

Though if they kill anyone, I think it'll be Tony Stark. Downey it already starting to feel a bit old for the role, and I don't think he has too many movies left in his contract either? Plus there's comic book precedent too for another dude replacing him inside the armor, and that other dude is already a major supporting character in the movies. (The only problem with this is that they cast Don Cheadle as Rhodey, and he's as old as Downey is.)

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:59 (six years ago) link

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:02 (six years ago) link

I think the Downey Problem is going to be make-or-break for the whole enterprise. The MCU is basically built on his charisma - if the first Iron Man had failed they would have been fucked for real. Downey's said he knows he can't (and doesn't want to) play Tony forever, and I think they'll have to recast Stark rather than replace him as Iron Man, at least in the long term. I don't think they'll kill him, but I'll be interested to see how they get around the inevitable problem of actors moving on for one reason or another. They're really in uncharted waters here - there's never been an interrelated movie universe where beloved actors will have to be replaced eventually.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:04 (six years ago) link

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

I dunno, he's still 10 to 20 years older than the other actors, except for Ruffalo... And with Hulk the guy playing isn't as important, they've already changed him twice.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:08 (six years ago) link

"with Hulk the guy playing Banner"

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:09 (six years ago) link

First Iron Man movie was good. Strong story and clever lines. Everything else I've seen has been middling. I do like that they got Kenneth Branagh to do the first Thor movie -- that was a clever choice.

qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:12 (six years ago) link

Tuomas mostly OTM upthread about the MCU villains so far. I don't think the issue is so much that they've tried to 'grittify' them, though, so much as the rogue's galleries of the heroes who've starred in movies so far just aren't very deep or exciting or Marvel don't own the rights to best of them. Like, an Iron Man vs Doctor Doom movie could be aces but will never happen if Fox have any say in the matter. Whiplash just isn't on the same level.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (six years ago) link

I think Avengers is the best so far, as it should've been.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (six years ago) link

True, but they haven't really done a good job with the rogues galleries' they do have available either... Like, the Mandarin thing in Iron Man 3 was a clever plot twist, but that just meant the real bad guy was yet another corrupt business type. (Obviously they couldn't use the comic book Mandarin as he was originally conceiced, since he's a Fu Manchu style racist stereotype, but they could've made him into a R'as al Ghul style righteous terrorist or something, and make him have actual superpowers.) And one of the reasons Thor 2 was worse than Thor 1 is because they Malekith into a totally generic baddie, even though the comic book Malekith is a cool villain (a gende-bending shapeshifter elf), and they even had a good actor playing him. That was a total waste of what could've been a potentially great villain.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:47 (six years ago) link

There was a lot of talk around the release of Thor 2 that Malekith had suffered at the expense of reshoots which expanded Loki's role in response to universal admiration for Hiddleston. They definitely did a terrible job with Malekith and Kurse; I wonder if they were less dull in the original plan for the movie.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:53 (six years ago) link

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I still passionately read massive amounts of comics as a 33+-year-old [I spent $770 just on posting comics home to myself in two months in the US last year] and the Marvel comic-book universe can eat my balls. What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:59 (six years ago) link

Plus, if they don't want to limit themselves to "canonical Iron Man villains" or "canonical Cap villains", there's a whole bunch of cool Avengers they could use: Kang the Conqueror! Count Nefaria! Masters of Evil! Korvac! The Absorbing Man And Titania! It definitely seems to be like they've decidedly used the more "realistic" villains, and left out the ones with more fantastic powers and larger-than-life personalities.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:02 (six years ago) link

Def. pisses me off that Stan Lee gets a cameo in the new Cap America movie, a character he had nothing to do w/ creating

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:03 (six years ago) link

I don't think Kirby or Simon were available

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:08 (six years ago) link

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:09 (six years ago) link

Ah, this debate again.

Anyway, Loki def. the only villain with presence thus far in these films. Which is odd, because I think they did a good job with the Spider-man villains so far (at least with the Raimi ones), and X-Men villains. Maybe it's just a matter of casting the right actor? Like, Red Skull is a great villain, but maybe Hugo Weaving was not the best choice? But then, Iron Man has faced nothing but generic baddies so far, actors be damned. Didn't Thor fight a giant robot in the first movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:11 (six years ago) link

What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:12 (six years ago) link

There's a rumour that Gerry Conway is banned from the premiere of the new Spider-man film, despite it apparently being based on one of his most famous issues.

(Google suggests this might now be resolved after the director took the issue to Sony.)

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:38 (six years ago) link

I've enjoyed at least a third of these movies.

So, dud.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 12:45 (six years ago) link

A third of each movie, or a third of the movies total?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:18 (six years ago) link

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

I won't see them for this reason, so I don't have any view at all on their quality.

(Liked the first Iron Man on a cheap matinee, second one was far less good, wasn't interested in Thor or Hulk 2, wasn't interested in Cap 1 and Marvel getting a summary judgment against the Kirby heirs in the week of release made me go "eeesh, I can't pay for any of these that I might be interested in in the future." Mantlo's brother specifically asking people with financial qualms to go see Guardians Of The Galaxy means I might, but my reason for interest is Pratt and Gunn. Maaaaybe I'd watch Avengers on TV, but I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as Cabin In The Woods or Much Ado.) [I'd have been curious about watching maybe half an hour of Winter Soldier to see how the Russos' style might translate to an action film.]

― bizarro gazzara, Monday, April 7, 2014 10:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

I'm not interested in Star Trek Into Darkness either!

Anyway, no: the creators of most of the Marvel characters were specifically promised financial participation that they were never given; if Meyer doesn't get residuals from home video sales and TV broadcasts of Wrath Of Khan, it's because he specifically agreed to forgo them in whatever arbitration took place over his credit; under Levitz, creators who'd had story elements inspire aspects of DC movie plots quietly got appreciation cheques [this has ended under Nelson, obviously]; George Lucas got lots of the money from at least five out of six Star Wars movies; J.K. Rowling earns about $400 million a year from Harry Potter.

People being fucked over wrt media properties doesn't have to be a rule: every time someone is, it's because other people have made an active decision to do so.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:47 (six years ago) link

I read an interview with Brubaker where he was like "it's great that this is the first time Marvel have made a movie where there's a book with the same name as it out there so hopefully I'll get some more royalties". It seems crazy that he won't see any money directly

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:51 (six years ago) link

I mean, I was mainly saying comic books /= Marvel.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:52 (six years ago) link

xpost - Brubaker only gets domestic royalties at all because he's currently signed exclusively to Marvel. They don't pay them as a matter of course, and IIRC haven't paid foreign royalties since the 1980s.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:54 (six years ago) link

Meyer didn't create Khan, of course (character pre-exists the Wrath of Khan)

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:57 (six years ago) link

Further to my earlier post:

I remember Alan Moore many years ago talking about a 1970s UK fanzine article that raised the question of fascism in relation to superhero comics, and how influential this was on his thinking about the form - so this isn't a new thing for him, or for comics fandom.

― Ward Fowler, Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:51 AM (five days ago) bookmarkflaglink

I was pleased to see this post on the author Stan Nichols FB page the other day:

A friend has pointed me to an interview with Alan Moore from ‘Comic Book Artist’ issue 9. Talking about the genesis of Watchmen, Alan says:

“I remember at the time - this would’ve been when I was just starting to get involved in British comics fandom - there was a British fanzine that was published over here by a gentleman called Stan Nicholls (who has since gone to write a number of fantasy books). In Stan’s fanzine, Stardock, there was an article called “Propaganda, or Why the Blue Beetle Voted for George Wallace.” (laughter) This was the late-’60s, and British comics fandom had quite a strong hippie element. Despite the fact that Steve Ditko was obviously a hero to the hippies with his psychedelic “Dr. Strange” work and for the teen angst of Spider-Man, Ditko’s politics were obviously very different from those fans. His views were apparent through his portrayals of Mr. A and the protesters or beatniks that occasionally surfaced in his other work. I think this article was the first to actually point out that, yes, Steve Ditko did have a very right-wing agenda (which of course, he’s completely entitled to), but at the time, it was quite interesting, and that probably led to me portraying [Watchmen character] Rorschach as an extremely right-wing character.”

The article in question was by the late Michel Parry. I know Michel would have been chuffed, as I am, to have played a small part in inspiring a character in Watchmen.
You can read the full text of the CBA interview with Alan here:
https://www.twomorrows.com/comicbooka…/articles/09moore.html

Ward Fowler, Sunday, 24 November 2019 08:07 (seven months ago) link

He doesn’t mention fascism in that excerpt(?)

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Sunday, 24 November 2019 16:35 (seven months ago) link

it's kinda fucked up that Scorcese bashed comic book movies and now he's adapting Irish Man

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 November 2019 17:06 (seven months ago) link

He doesn’t mention fascism in that excerpt(?)

he didn't use the word fascism in the 2016 interview either, you and Mordy did

insecurity bear (sic), Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:39 (seven months ago) link

Uh... ok?

FODMAP of the reef (morrisp), Sunday, 24 November 2019 21:44 (seven months ago) link

At any rate, Moore will be gratified to see his observations about superhero whiteness echoed and expanded by the creator of a project that Moore can totally get beh-

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/26/watchmen-creator-damon-lindelof-talks-about-americas-white-superhero-complex/amp

Soy Bean False Chicken (morrisp), Wednesday, 27 November 2019 02:28 (seven months ago) link

one month passes...

Marvel and I have mutually agreed to part ways on Doctor Strange: In the Multiverse of Madness due to creative differences. I am thankful for our collaboration and will remain on as EP.

— N O S ⋊ Ɔ I ᴚ ᴚ Ǝ ᗡ ⊥ ⊥ O Ɔ S (@scottderrickson) January 10, 2020

groovypanda, Friday, 10 January 2020 08:12 (five months ago) link

"writer/director of The Exorcism of Emily Rose, Sinister, Doctor Strange and not the upcoming Doctor Strange: In The Multiverse of Madness"

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 10 January 2020 08:15 (five months ago) link

rip big man, heaven needed a mediocre director who made a distinctly lower-tier marvel movie

'Sly Cooper' Movie Breaking Into Theaters In 2016 (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 10 January 2020 09:40 (five months ago) link

That's a harsh way to describe Iron Man + Shrooms.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 10 January 2020 10:27 (five months ago) link

sorry sorry sorry can we go back to talking about Jingle All The Way for a second...
are we saying Turbo Man is now in the MCU?

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 10 January 2020 10:30 (five months ago) link

Yeah, he certainly was no Jon Favreau.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 January 2020 12:51 (five months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Coke commercials are trve cinema.

dad genes (morrisp), Monday, 3 February 2020 01:05 (four months ago) link

four months pass...

One of my kids asked to rewatch "Dr. Strange," so ... we did. It remains competent but pretty minor, and it still bugs me how set-y the sets are. All the action seems to take place on a single city block, or a single Nepalese street, or a single Hong Kong market, all of which just scream "generic backlot." But when it was done I realized she had never seen the original "Captain America" (among other Marvel movies), so we watched that, and it holds up really well. I hadn't seen it since the theaters, but the acting and writing are strong, and the action sequences are pretty tight. The way Captain America and Iron Man were written and established in their respective first films really nailed a portrayal they maintained throughout all the movies. Cynical head vs. loyal heart.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 27 June 2020 19:38 (five days ago) link

Yeah, basically the ones I'd recommend to the uninitiated are the first Cap, the first Iron Man, and the first (Holland) Spidey. Maybe Black Panther ('tho I've still only seen it one time). If you aren't looking to go deep, that's probably all you need.

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Saturday, 27 June 2020 20:52 (five days ago) link

I’ve only seen a few, but would put Ragnarok high on the list.

OG Honeymoon Ave (morrisp), Saturday, 27 June 2020 21:58 (five days ago) link

the next movie is gonna be about the Avengers being divided on mask-wearing

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 27 June 2020 22:04 (five days ago) link

bless the 'ronnie for granting us an MCU reprieve

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Saturday, 27 June 2020 22:07 (five days ago) link

xpost There hasn't been a new MCU movie released in over a year. You're complaining just to hear yourself complain. But I presume that you know this.

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:04 (four days ago) link

I want to be on the record that I won’t mind if GotG3 has a couple of covid jokes

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:06 (four days ago) link

I’ve only seen a few, but would put Ragnarok high on the list.

I've only seen a few but would count Ragnarok as extremely bewildering to the uninitiated

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:14 (four days ago) link

Ant-Man and Guardians are fine for stand-alone viewing

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Sunday, 28 June 2020 20:57 (four days ago) link

I guess if you’re truly not familiar with the characters (or read Marvel comics), then Ragnarok wouldn’t be the best first choice. I hadn’t seen any of the movies directly leading up to it, and got it fine. But I know who the Asgardians and Hulk are.

Pat McGroin (morrisp), Sunday, 28 June 2020 21:36 (four days ago) link

Ragnarok is the reward you get for watching the rest of them imo

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Sunday, 28 June 2020 22:02 (four days ago) link

There hasn't been a new MCU movie released in over a year. You're complaining just to hear yourself complain. But I presume that you know this.

btw "you're saying it's been a year without one of these three hour movies? well ACTUALLY it has been a year without one of these three-hour movies (and there are currently four scheduled to come out in a 365-day period)" might not be the argument for scarcity that you intended

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Monday, 29 June 2020 00:23 (three days ago) link

^I would have thought the "joke" of "many theaters may never recover from covid, but at least Black Widow got delayed" wouldn't be so funny to you.

Pat McGroin (morrisp), Monday, 29 June 2020 00:42 (three days ago) link

did Decoder Ring do the soundtrack for that one? could have kept second-hand CD shops alive another year

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Monday, 29 June 2020 00:48 (three days ago) link

"you're saying it's been a year without one of these three hour movies?"

That's not what he's saying, dial down the red mist.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 29 June 2020 08:40 (three days ago) link

p sure that Simon did mean no MCU movies were coming out at the moment, but I'll allow it's possible I was too furious at him to comprehend

an, uh, razor of love (sic), Monday, 29 June 2020 08:54 (three days ago) link

Daughter and I watched the first Avengers movie last night. Largely holds up! Too much Hawkeye stuff, maybe. I understand he is being introduced in this movie, but he's no Spider-man.

I think next on our list is "Winter Soldier," then "Ultron," then "Civil War." She doesn't like "Iron Man" and I think we'll skip the first two Thor movies. The rest of the more recent ones, and "Guardians," I think she's more up on.

Fun fact: she was so tuned in to the silly anti-feminist backlash to "Captain Marvel" (which she has seen) that I think she assumed it was a remedy to all the sexist earlier Marvel movies. I think she's been pleasantly surprised that they're not.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 June 2020 12:56 (three days ago) link

and I think we'll skip the first two Thor movies.

Fair call.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 29 June 2020 15:38 (three days ago) link

On the other hand, I remember actually enjoying the second Thor movie!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 June 2020 16:11 (three days ago) link

They're probably both slightly underrated at this point. Skippable but not bad.

Nhex, Monday, 29 June 2020 16:31 (three days ago) link

I thought the first one was pretty dull, iirc. And Hemsworth hadn't quite gotten a hold of the character yet. Even in the first Avengers movie he's a little stiff, and that's with some good lines.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 29 June 2020 16:48 (three days ago) link

did Decoder Ring do the soundtrack for that one? could have kept second-hand CD shops alive another year

― an, uh, razor of love (sic), Monday, June 29, 2020 1:48 AM

https://www.discogs.com/Decoder-Ring-Somersault-Original-Motion-Picture-Soundtrack/master/434102

Bought this shortly after I saw the film over a decade ago. So there isn't more soundtracks by them? Never got anything else by them but it's pretty nice.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 29 June 2020 22:25 (three days ago) link

Their non-soundtrack records are also good.

time is running out to retweet boing.gif (sic), Monday, 29 June 2020 23:36 (three days ago) link

First time I seen Abbie Cornish too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 29 June 2020 23:51 (three days ago) link

OK, we just watched "Winter Soldier." I hadn't seen it since the theaters. I actually remember being underwhelmed by it then, and ... I'm still a little underwhelmed. It has a lot of good stuff it in, but for a series that hinges on suspension of disbelief I maintain the big battle at the end is just a few degrees of ridiculous too far for me and, honestly, a little lazy, too. I can handle underground lairs, but a giant secret multi-helicarrier base under the Potomac? Come on. They could have put that anywhere, even some place remotely plausible, and I know they sort of address this stuff in Civil War, but those things crashing would have taken out thousands of people in the dense DC/VA area.

The end is very Star Wars, I didn't remember that. Super Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi lightsaber finale vibes.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 02:50 (two days ago) link

all the action stuff in Winter Soldier was lousy, imo

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:32 (two days ago) link

Lots of flipping around and landing dramatically. But that's par for the course.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:35 (two days ago) link

i remember a street battle sequence (henchmen shooting down from a bridge?) that was just incoherent, lotta quick editing covering for a fight that wasn't choreographed or storyboarded to really add up to much.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:37 (two days ago) link

Abbie Cornish (born August 7, 1982), also known by her rap name Dusk

just wanted this noted

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:43 (two days ago) link

The First Avenger was a weird one for me, I knew about the character existing for most of my life but never saw him anywhere at all until the (actual) first avenger movie. When I went back and watched all the mcu films i'd missed in the last few years the first captain america was the most interesting to me because he always seemed like totally corny 1940s hooray america shit and the dude only has a sheild which is dumb but they referenced all that in the film in a way that made me appreciate the character a lot more than I would have imagined. Like i kind of teared up when he picked up thor's hammer in Endgame.

I only watched winter soldier once and have been meaning to again but the elevator fight scene might be my favorite action sequence in any of the films.

joygoat, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:20 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I'm not gonna rep for the Winter Soldier action sequences across the board but there are several that are very good + memorable, some people itt r nutz

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:28 (two days ago) link

I have trouble keeping the action in that and Civil War straight off the top of my head - the latter had the introduction of Black Panther, right? That was tight, as was the airport fight.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:45 (two days ago) link

I had forgotten so much about "Age of Ultron" that it was like seeing it for the first time. And ... it's not particularly good. It introduces so many characters and so much stuff, but just does it so poorly, so clumsily, imo. In the end if it feels like little more than a big, long, overly elaborate origin story for Vision, but as far as I can remember they don't really do anything with him in this or later movies. For that matter, Scarlet Witch's powers remain incoherent, Quicksilver is introduced and depicted so much better in the X-Men movies, and as far as powers go across the board, this one I want to say has the toughest time depicting the range and limitations of the various Godlike abilities. Like, sometimes Thor can throw a plane or whatever, other times he's just punching goons. Hulk vs Iron Man fight is great, but they throw in a gag with Hulk ... spitting out a tooth? And I also didn't like the Ultron design - he looked more evil in the comics as a kid, iirc - though I think I enjoyed Spader's voice this time more than the first. Oh, and this is one where the Whedonisms just get in the way. I don't mind the jokey banter in a lot of the other films, because it feels like a nervous affectation to keep their mind off dying or whatever. But in this one it felt particularly obnoxious. Like when the Hydra villain is making witty sitcom quips, or Hawkeye and Black Widow are discussing redecorating his barn while they're battling. It just makes it seem like they don't care, like there's no threat to them or the world. Anyway, pretty clunky and skippable. I almost fell asleep.

"Civil War" is next. I remember liking that one a lot more, and I know for a fact it does a much better job introducing (much better) new characters.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 03:46 (yesterday) link

I think the incoherency of Scarlet Witch's powers are a defining characteristic

shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 13:52 (yesterday) link

but as far as I can remember they don't really do anything with him in this or later movies.

Well, he does play a pretty significant part in Infinity War/Endgame!

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 1 July 2020 14:37 (yesterday) link

lol I don't remember! I know they take his gem. But I forget what he has to do with anything else.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 15:19 (yesterday) link


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