Rolling Marvel Cinematic Universe thread (+ a poll: Classic or Dud?)

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The poll closing date is the Ant-Man film's premiere date, 10 weeks after Avengers 2, the beginning of Phase 3.

Anticipation threads for individual movies will happen as they always do, but it seems reasonable to have a catch-all thread for the MCU.

Stan Lee cameos: threat or menace?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe

discuss, et cetera

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Classic 69
Dud 63


WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:35 (five years ago) link

Going to see Captain America 2 tonight - I caught the first one on Netflix and it was way better than I expected.

Avengers was a lot of fun in the theater, but I haven't watched it again. Not sure it would hold up at home.

Not a big fan of the Iron Man movies - RDJ's charisma is outweighed by every other element being dull.

Classic just for doing better than the non-MCU properties and waaaaaaaay better than DC.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:45 (five years ago) link

It's quite a thing, spending hundreds of millions to make billions, and basing it all on superhero comics and boomer nostalgia. But they've managed to produce some reasonably good action films so far. My bias is based on Marvel Zombie status dating to 1972, but I try to be clear-eyed with dissenting views.

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:51 (five years ago) link

Dud, both for the passable-at-best movies and for the concept itself.

Simon H., Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link

I guess the nostalgia is not limited to boomers, though. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 20:52 (five years ago) link

The current crop are pretty classic (though classic seems too strong, tbh). I like the way the serialized, cross-property roll-out parallels the comics. Lots of titles, different takes on familiar characters, largely fun and competent, not totally stupid, thus far really well cast.

I also like the first two Singer X-Men movies a lot, or at least did at the time. Wish those and the FF were part of the official family. But Spider-man, I've got no problem letting him dangle.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 6 April 2014 21:11 (five years ago) link

just inoffensive and mediocre enough to be broadly popular

Popture, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:02 (five years ago) link

Rebooting Spider-man so soon after the other trilogy is easily the worst thing about this.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:17 (five years ago) link

Spider-Man isn't part of the MCU.

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:18 (five years ago) link

I thought that was a Marvel comic.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:20 (five years ago) link

Ah, rtfa, gotcha.

▴▲ ▴TH3CR()$BY$H()W▴▲ ▴ (Adam Bruneau), Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:22 (five years ago) link

It is, but the MCU refers specifically to the properties controlled by Marvel Studios. Sony has movie rights to Spider-Man and Fox has the rights to X-Men stuff. It's kinda convoluted. xp

WilliamC, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:23 (five years ago) link

This sums things up quite nicely
http://jonnegroni.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/dnxshsd.png?w=700&h=560p

tsrobodo, Sunday, 6 April 2014 22:35 (five years ago) link

But also worth noting that the previous Punisher, Blade, and Daredevil movies and Ang Lee's Hulk don't count. A situation so convoluted it could've only been whipped up by people in the mainstream comics industry.

Surprise, It's My Butt (Old Lunch), Sunday, 6 April 2014 23:59 (five years ago) link

Milo summation otm

recommend me a new bagman (darraghmac), Monday, 7 April 2014 00:51 (five years ago) link

Good luck making a megafranchise out of Namor and Man-Thing, Universal and Lionsgate!

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:14 (five years ago) link

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

Certainly, not all of them are great or even particularly good in some cases - I don't need to see Hulk, Iron Man 2 or Thor 2 again - but to me they all seem to have a level of affection for and understanding of the characters which in itself is actually pretty unusual for comic-book movies. Man of Steel is probably the worst example of this - everyone involved seemed actively embarrassed to be making movie about Superman - but there are plenty of others, like Bruce Wayne just straight-up giving up on being Batman for years in TDKR or Sandman turning out to be Uncle Ben's killer in Spider-Man 3.

If I was 12 years old now, I'd be thrilled that every six months I could go to the movies and see an excitingly-realised, generally faithful representation of the comics I loved on the screen. At 33, I enjoy them as fun action movies with an unusually ambitious shared-world underpinning which are for the most part way more coherent than other giant summer pictures.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:37 (five years ago) link

In a interview with Total Film, Iron Man 3 co-writer and All Hail the King writer-director Drew Pearce mentioned seeing Damage Control as a possible Marvel One-Shot film.

If this actually happened it would make the whole enterprise worthwhile regardless of any other concerns imo

soref, Monday, 7 April 2014 09:52 (five years ago) link

I've enjoyed most of the MCU movies, and I agree that the heroes have mostly been perfectly cast... But like I said in the Winter Soldier thread, I think probably the biggest flaw in these movies is that the villains have mostly been rather bland. It seems that the MCU has followed the lead of the Nolan Batman movies in that they try to make the villains "realistic" and gritty, i.e. that their origins are explained by "science", there's no magic or cosmic powers etc involved, they don't wear funky villains costumes, they don't have over-the-top despotic personalities, and so on... But this means the villains have mostly been corrupt businessmen or politicians, tough dudes in armor and/or with cybernetic parts, or (like Batroc in the new Cap movie) just your regular action movie thugs with some special martial arts moves, all of which are pretty boring. So while they've managed to turn memorable comic book heroes into memorable movie characters, the same hasn't really happened with the villains.

The biggest exception to the above is Loki, who benefits from the fact that Thor's setting is not "realistic" in any way, so they couldreally make him larger than life, No wonder they had Loki as the main antagonist in the Avengers movie (yeah, I know, he was the first Avengers villain in the comics too, but no one forced them to follow that pattern), since he's pretty much the only true & memorable supervillain they've done so far. But hopefully this'll change with upcoming Guardians and Dr. Strange movies, and when Ultron and Thanos turn up in Avengers... There's no way you could make those villains "realistic", so I hope they won't even try.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:39 (five years ago) link

So far generally more towards the classic side, though I fear diminishing returns may set in soon unless they find some way of upping the already pretty massive stakes*. I like the ambition of having a network of narratively connected mega-budget films, it's something that has never been done before at all (unless you buy into the Unified Theory of Pixar, ha).

And I echo the point made above that pre-teen me would have loved the shit out of this, which is a fair indication they've been doing their job.

*I think a major character's death would help with this, but would they dare?

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:44 (five years ago) link

An interesting poll might be the MCU vs the Dark Knight trilogy. Had a long and repetitive debate in the pub on Friday about just that.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 10:46 (five years ago) link

xp I'm pretty certain they'll kill Chris Evans and replace him as Captain America with Sebastian Stan. It's already laid out clearly in the comics and Evans is only signed up for six movies, which will be up after the next Cap / Avengers movies.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:47 (five years ago) link

I guess that's possible... It was interesting that they didn't really resolve Bucky's plot arc in any way in the new Cap movie, so it seems they definitely have some future plans for him.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (five years ago) link

Well, Sebastian Stan's signed up for nine movies and he's only been in two, so...

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:54 (five years ago) link

Bucky's a way more interesting character than Cap, so I think it would do the MCU good to replace him in a few years - how much more mileage could they really wring out of Evans's essential goodness after two more movies?

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:57 (five years ago) link

Though if they kill anyone, I think it'll be Tony Stark. Downey it already starting to feel a bit old for the role, and I don't think he has too many movies left in his contract either? Plus there's comic book precedent too for another dude replacing him inside the armor, and that other dude is already a major supporting character in the movies. (The only problem with this is that they cast Don Cheadle as Rhodey, and he's as old as Downey is.)

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 10:59 (five years ago) link

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:02 (five years ago) link

I think the Downey Problem is going to be make-or-break for the whole enterprise. The MCU is basically built on his charisma - if the first Iron Man had failed they would have been fucked for real. Downey's said he knows he can't (and doesn't want to) play Tony forever, and I think they'll have to recast Stark rather than replace him as Iron Man, at least in the long term. I don't think they'll kill him, but I'll be interested to see how they get around the inevitable problem of actors moving on for one reason or another. They're really in uncharted waters here - there's never been an interrelated movie universe where beloved actors will have to be replaced eventually.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:04 (five years ago) link

and he's as old as Downey is

So, er, not very old.

I dunno, he's still 10 to 20 years older than the other actors, except for Ruffalo... And with Hulk the guy playing isn't as important, they've already changed him twice.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:08 (five years ago) link

"with Hulk the guy playing Banner"

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:09 (five years ago) link

First Iron Man movie was good. Strong story and clever lines. Everything else I've seen has been middling. I do like that they got Kenneth Branagh to do the first Thor movie -- that was a clever choice.

qwop zapatos (abanana), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:12 (five years ago) link

Tuomas mostly OTM upthread about the MCU villains so far. I don't think the issue is so much that they've tried to 'grittify' them, though, so much as the rogue's galleries of the heroes who've starred in movies so far just aren't very deep or exciting or Marvel don't own the rights to best of them. Like, an Iron Man vs Doctor Doom movie could be aces but will never happen if Fox have any say in the matter. Whiplash just isn't on the same level.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (five years ago) link

I think Avengers is the best so far, as it should've been.

the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:39 (five years ago) link

True, but they haven't really done a good job with the rogues galleries' they do have available either... Like, the Mandarin thing in Iron Man 3 was a clever plot twist, but that just meant the real bad guy was yet another corrupt business type. (Obviously they couldn't use the comic book Mandarin as he was originally conceiced, since he's a Fu Manchu style racist stereotype, but they could've made him into a R'as al Ghul style righteous terrorist or something, and make him have actual superpowers.) And one of the reasons Thor 2 was worse than Thor 1 is because they Malekith into a totally generic baddie, even though the comic book Malekith is a cool villain (a gende-bending shapeshifter elf), and they even had a good actor playing him. That was a total waste of what could've been a potentially great villain.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:47 (five years ago) link

There was a lot of talk around the release of Thor 2 that Malekith had suffered at the expense of reshoots which expanded Loki's role in response to universal admiration for Hiddleston. They definitely did a terrible job with Malekith and Kurse; I wonder if they were less dull in the original plan for the movie.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 11:53 (five years ago) link

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I dip in and out now as a 33-year-old and still enjoy them, but I've kind of lost interest in following the ins and outs of the Marvel comic-book universe. What I admire most about the Marvel movies is that they've taken the core things I loved about the characters I read as a kid and put them more or less wholesale on the screen.

I was a huge comic-book fan as a kid. I still passionately read massive amounts of comics as a 33+-year-old [I spent $770 just on posting comics home to myself in two months in the US last year] and the Marvel comic-book universe can eat my balls. What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 11:59 (five years ago) link

Plus, if they don't want to limit themselves to "canonical Iron Man villains" or "canonical Cap villains", there's a whole bunch of cool Avengers they could use: Kang the Conqueror! Count Nefaria! Masters of Evil! Korvac! The Absorbing Man And Titania! It definitely seems to be like they've decidedly used the more "realistic" villains, and left out the ones with more fantastic powers and larger-than-life personalities.

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Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:02 (five years ago) link

Def. pisses me off that Stan Lee gets a cameo in the new Cap America movie, a character he had nothing to do w/ creating

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:03 (five years ago) link

I don't think Kirby or Simon were available

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:08 (five years ago) link

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

bizarro gazzara, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:09 (five years ago) link

Ah, this debate again.

Anyway, Loki def. the only villain with presence thus far in these films. Which is odd, because I think they did a good job with the Spider-man villains so far (at least with the Raimi ones), and X-Men villains. Maybe it's just a matter of casting the right actor? Like, Red Skull is a great villain, but maybe Hugo Weaving was not the best choice? But then, Iron Man has faced nothing but generic baddies so far, actors be damned. Didn't Thor fight a giant robot in the first movie?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:11 (five years ago) link

What I admire least about the Marvel movies is the way they make literal billions of dollars and return none of this to the people that created these IP or wrote the specific stories the films are based on.

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

Tuomas, Monday, 7 April 2014 12:12 (five years ago) link

There's a rumour that Gerry Conway is banned from the premiere of the new Spider-man film, despite it apparently being based on one of his most famous issues.

(Google suggests this might now be resolved after the director took the issue to Sony.)

Berk errs Gibbs/Ox (aldo), Monday, 7 April 2014 12:38 (five years ago) link

I've enjoyed at least a third of these movies.

So, dud.

Eric H., Monday, 7 April 2014 12:45 (five years ago) link

A third of each movie, or a third of the movies total?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:18 (five years ago) link

sic, are you objecting to the MCU on the grounds of lack of monetary compensation for creators or because you don't enjoy them as movies? I'm not disagreeing with the former - I think it's utterly shameful - but I wasn't clear on the latter from what you wrote.

I won't see them for this reason, so I don't have any view at all on their quality.

(Liked the first Iron Man on a cheap matinee, second one was far less good, wasn't interested in Thor or Hulk 2, wasn't interested in Cap 1 and Marvel getting a summary judgment against the Kirby heirs in the week of release made me go "eeesh, I can't pay for any of these that I might be interested in in the future." Mantlo's brother specifically asking people with financial qualms to go see Guardians Of The Galaxy means I might, but my reason for interest is Pratt and Gunn. Maaaaybe I'd watch Avengers on TV, but I doubt I'd enjoy it as much as Cabin In The Woods or Much Ado.) [I'd have been curious about watching maybe half an hour of Winter Soldier to see how the Russos' style might translate to an action film.]

― bizarro gazzara, Monday, April 7, 2014 10:09 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

While I agree that this is shitty, it's pretty much the standard practice with all entertainment franchises, no? Like, does the guy who wrote the original Wrath of Khan screenplay get any royalties from the Star Trek: Into Darkness? I doubt he does.

I'm not interested in Star Trek Into Darkness either!

Anyway, no: the creators of most of the Marvel characters were specifically promised financial participation that they were never given; if Meyer doesn't get residuals from home video sales and TV broadcasts of Wrath Of Khan, it's because he specifically agreed to forgo them in whatever arbitration took place over his credit; under Levitz, creators who'd had story elements inspire aspects of DC movie plots quietly got appreciation cheques [this has ended under Nelson, obviously]; George Lucas got lots of the money from at least five out of six Star Wars movies; J.K. Rowling earns about $400 million a year from Harry Potter.

People being fucked over wrt media properties doesn't have to be a rule: every time someone is, it's because other people have made an active decision to do so.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:47 (five years ago) link

I read an interview with Brubaker where he was like "it's great that this is the first time Marvel have made a movie where there's a book with the same name as it out there so hopefully I'll get some more royalties". It seems crazy that he won't see any money directly

Number None, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:51 (five years ago) link

I mean, I was mainly saying comic books /= Marvel.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:52 (five years ago) link

xpost - Brubaker only gets domestic royalties at all because he's currently signed exclusively to Marvel. They don't pay them as a matter of course, and IIRC haven't paid foreign royalties since the 1980s.

Charles, hatless (sic), Monday, 7 April 2014 13:54 (five years ago) link

Meyer didn't create Khan, of course (character pre-exists the Wrath of Khan)

Ward Fowler, Monday, 7 April 2014 13:57 (five years ago) link

I would not read X-Force/X-Statix to a five-year-old if that is part of the selection criteria.

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 09:43 (one month ago) link

FYI, if you're willing to wait a bit, they're recollecting all of Milligan's X-Force/X-Statix run starting early next year. It's worth the wait.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 10:27 (one month ago) link

None of these suggestions, bar the all-ages omnibi, are suitable for five-year-olds.

Except Garth Ennis’ Punisher, where he cuts thumbs off of Russian heroin smugglers who are human-trafficking prostitutes in shipping crates and whatnot.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 10:29 (one month ago) link

One last pipe bomb thrown at the thread's remit before I suggest moving the conversation elsewhere, but if you're looking for a (non-Marvel) comic five-year-olds will enjoy, you could do much worse than Axe Cop (a comic written by a five-year-old and which is, thusly, amazing).

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 11:56 (one month ago) link

Perhaps going forward, we can use this thraed: Recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire!

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 12:12 (one month ago) link

Also linked from there and with more recent recommendations: recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 13:28 (one month ago) link

Ah, I knew there was a fresher thread. I've posted some stuff in Andrew's link.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:27 (one month ago) link

sic — does this volume contain all the good Dan Slott material you mentioned?

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:34 (one month ago) link

Ah, NM, I guess that’s the first one you linked to

the last Berry La Croix in the work fridge (morrisp), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:36 (one month ago) link

Slott's entire run is encompassed by the two complete collections.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:41 (one month ago) link

slott's long run on amazing spider-man is also really, really good fyi

Welshy's Lean Bulk - ****loads of pics (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:43 (one month ago) link

But okay so see the problem with recommending that one is that, although they started doing comprehensive reprints just a couple years ago, at least one of the collections is already out of print and fetching ridiculous prices.

Probably the best bet is for newbies to sign up for Marvel Unlimited and poke around until they find something they like. Trying to deal with Perlmutter's printing policies is more hassle than it's worth (which is specifically why I recommended stuff that was recently reprinted and thusly still in print in the other thread).

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:53 (one month ago) link

ahh see marvel unlimited is where i do all my reading nowadays so thankfully i don't have to worry about negotiating the insane world of marvel's reprints

Welshy's Lean Bulk - ****loads of pics (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:54 (one month ago) link

Reasonable approach. I'm living proof of the toll those negotiations can take upon the fragile human mind.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 14:58 (one month ago) link

(Plus as far as I know, there's never been a reprint of the Frank Miller Daredevil which Andrew recommends that doesn't have hideous garish "re"colouring, though this also applies to nearly any current editions of 1940s-1990s Marvel.)

ugh, I hate this re-coloring so much

Screamin' Jay Gould (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:18 (one month ago) link

Axe Cop is hilarious, second that rec for kids

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 16:21 (one month ago) link

sic — does this volume contain all the good Dan Slott material you mentioned?

Ah, NM, I guess that’s the first one you linked to

It isn't, it just has the same cover, because Marvel always want to make it as hard as possible for people to figure out what they're trying to read.

But okay so see the problem with recommending that one is that, although they started doing comprehensive reprints just a couple years ago, at least one of the collections is already out of print and fetching ridiculous prices.

Yes, I was keeping in mind what joygoat's library is most likely to have with my specific book references.

Probably the best bet is for newbies to sign up for Marvel Unlimited and poke around until they find something they like.

imo this is an extremely terrible idea for newbies, even newbies who have not specifically expressed a 100% preference for print volumes that they don't have to pay money for.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:15 (one month ago) link

Look, there are no good options here, just a handful of less bad options. I'm coming from a position of 'just go ahead and read and buy everything' so I'm trying to view the problem through a sane person's eyes, with limited success.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:22 (one month ago) link

A pal of mine has been buying these $1 priced Marvel 'True Believer' reprints for his nephew, and I think that's a great idea - classic Kirby FF eg for next to nothing. And they're sticking to movie familiar characters and storylines, on the whole, so you couldn't get a better way into the foundational stories of the MU.

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:31 (one month ago) link

If borrowing from the library, you might check out their electronic borrowing systems. Here in WA, Hoopla has been keeping me current with Saga and The Walking Dead. Though less complete/current on the Marvel & DC lines, they do carry a lot of the classic runs.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:54 (one month ago) link

xpost Yeah, the coolest thing Marvel could do right now is to reinstitute spinner racks in grocery stores et al and fill 'em up with their True Believer one-offs.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 18:55 (one month ago) link

For those who aren't aware of what Ward is talking about, every month Marvel puts out an array of about a dozen themed one-issue reprints for a buck. Like a bunch of key single issues featuring the Hulk pulled from throughout the character's publication history. I'm sure they'd be an awesome entrée into the Marvel U for those curious-yet-unfamiliar but I suspect they're only available in comics stores, which seems to undercut that eventuality somewhat.

my but is not working it kept telling me device not found. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:00 (one month ago) link

marvel unlimited is $10 a month; if you or your kids are okay reading on a tablet or desktop, it's an easy and cheap way to riff through the stacks without putting out a ton of money.
https://www.marvel.com/comics/unlimited

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 19:09 (one month ago) link

Giancarlo Esposito being eyed for a major role, rumors aswirl that it may be Norman Osborn. As rumors that may have zero basis in fact go, this is pretty killer.

COOL DUDE'S ONLY, NO NERD'S ALOUD (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:33 (one month ago) link

Was rewatching Zodiac and realized it stars Iron Man, the Hulk and Mysterio. Wonder Boys stars Ant Man, Spider-Man and Iron Man. Can we think of any other non MCU movies with a similarly large number of MCU actors?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 August 2019 12:41 (one month ago) link

Given that 50% of actors in Hollywood will have soon starred in an MCU flick, it shouldn't be hard.

COOL DUDE'S ONLY, NO NERD'S ALOUD (Old Lunch), Monday, 5 August 2019 12:43 (one month ago) link

This was actually a recurring feature at a local movie trivia night: "What non-superhero movie stars (comics character), (comics character), and (comics character)?" They weren't restrictive to Marvel characters, though, which does open things up, e.g. LA Confidential starring Vicki Vale, Lex Luthor, the Penguin, and Jor-El. And I guess Aldrich Killian, but I don't think they mentioned him. The category was fun when you could solve it, but absolutely maddening when you couldn't, mainly due to combinatoric excess re: the number of possible Batmen and Jokers.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Monday, 5 August 2019 13:10 (one month ago) link

Giancarlo Esposito being eyed for a major role, rumors aswirl that it may be Norman Osborn. As rumors that may have zero basis in fact go, this is pretty killer.

he's got the hair for it!

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 August 2019 13:17 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

helluva url

Andy Jones, Earth-Born Angel of Love (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:39 (one month ago) link

Does that mean Spider-Man will no longer appear in any Marvel movies?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:42 (one month ago) link

Yeah, but thankfully he'll get to costar with Jordan Catalano in the Morbius the Vampire movie instead

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 20:44 (one month ago) link

I feel as bad for Tom Holland right now as I possibly could for someone half my age who has more money than I'd make in three lifetimes.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:00 (one month ago) link

He'll still get to be Spidey, he maybe just won't get to drop in on Shang-Chi or whoever? Frankly I wonder what his role would have been in these upcoming Marvel movies, other than shoehorned in somehow. Also, I wouldn't be shocked if Marvel & Sony end up making a new deal in a few years.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:03 (one month ago) link

He presumably took the job in part so he could play in the cool toybox, not to cameo in like a Chameleon movie starring Jamie Kennedy or whatever dumb shit Sony pulls out of its ass.

Amply Drizzled with Pure Luxury (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:32 (one month ago) link

But he'll presumably still be starring in big, Sony-produced Spidey movies, am I missing something?

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:33 (one month ago) link

the mcu was clearly setting up a huge, RDJ-like role for spidey/holland. this lack of deal probably hits him in the wallet.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:38 (one month ago) link

I guess it would be interesting to see how Sony disentangles the MCU elements from future movies (if the deal is truly dead; Variety’s reporting makes the breakdown sound less definitive than Deadline does).

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 22:57 (one month ago) link

When contacted by io9, a Sony representative said it’s their belief this dispute is simply over a producer credit and negotiations are ongoing. They further clarified that Feige has contributed to other Spider-centric movies that he did not receive a producer credit on. Other sources tell us the Deadline story is completely accurate.

Number None, Tuesday, 20 August 2019 23:04 (one month ago) link

Kamala Khan series coming to Disney+!

McGrief the Crying Dog (Old Lunch), Friday, 23 August 2019 22:04 (four weeks ago) link

Plus Moon Knight and She-Hulk.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 August 2019 23:33 (four weeks ago) link

Moon Knight! Finally!

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 24 August 2019 00:10 (three weeks ago) link

I wonder if Angie Harmon will finally get her She-Hulk casting wish.

Stub yr toe on the yacht rock (morrisp), Saturday, 24 August 2019 00:32 (three weeks ago) link

How many series is this at this point?

Frederik B, Saturday, 24 August 2019 17:45 (three weeks ago) link

More movie news:

https://io9.gizmodo.com/black-panther-2s-release-date-revealed-kit-harington-j-1837539099

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 August 2019 18:24 (three weeks ago) link

Anyway, series as mentioned but:

Just found out they’re making a Moonknight movie and this better be in it pic.twitter.com/o1gQLLBtXo

— Cooper Wilhelm (@CooperWilhelm) August 24, 2019

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 August 2019 18:24 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

Don't think I've ever actually seen Steinfeld in anything, but seems like potentially good casting?: https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hawkeye-series-hailee-steinfeld-disney-plus-1203318859/

#YABASIC (morrisp), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:24 (one week ago) link

Don't know about good casting, but seems like potentially a good career move.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:49 (one week ago) link

she was great in True Grit and Edge of Seventeen

Nhex, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 04:50 (one week ago) link

that is great casting, she’s a perfect kate bishop

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 05:51 (one week ago) link


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