Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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Poll Closing Date: Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:00 (in 10 months)

Setting the poll end date for a few weeks after the current premiere date (25 March 2022) of Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Let the results spur the postmortem. Current plans: six feature films and eight Disney+ tv shows.

Classic
Dud
Mixed Bag
It started out one thing and became another
Please stop asking me to have an opinion about this
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(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:48 (nine months ago) link

'I could have just avoided the thread altogether but because clicking through to spray the room down with needless haterade is an addiction akin to the most raging of junk habits, allow me to just state for the 457,017,381st time that the MCU is the nadir of Western culture.'

There, I saved some of you some time if you know how to copy + paste.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:03 (nine months ago) link

Crazy to think we're now 15 months and counting with no new MCU (unless you count the final season of Agents of SHIELD, which even I don't anymore).

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:06 (nine months ago) link

the Helstrom TV show started on Hulu this week

which apparently sort of counts

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:12 (nine months ago) link

Oh. Well, that was a stealth-ass debut.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (nine months ago) link

it looks, and by all accounts is, absolutely terrible

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (nine months ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

anyway, dud

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:20 (nine months ago) link

Simon, I left you a present upthread. Please use it in good health.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:25 (nine months ago) link

you forgot "fascist"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:26 (nine months ago) link

Sorry, I very quickly fell asleep, what was that you were saying?

ANNNNNNYway.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:29 (nine months ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

new board descrip pls

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:31 (nine months ago) link

Glad this thread is here to get you to stop social distancing, bg! Adopt herd immunity!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:37 (nine months ago) link

work on yr nerd immunity imo

ok ok I'm actually done for now enjoy folks

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:42 (nine months ago) link

Gentlemen you can’t needlessly rehash something for the 457,017,381st time in here, this is the marvel cinematic universe phase 4 and beyond thread

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:51 (nine months ago) link

Looool

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 (nine months ago) link

Did u know that if your eyes roll with enough force that they can actually detach from their stalks and fly out u face? I wish I hadn't had to discover that first-hand just this very moment. Dang.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:55 (nine months ago) link

is this the thread where we can talk about andrew garfield and tobey maguire maybe appearing as spider-men in the third tom holland spider-man movie? because i can't be fucked looking to see if it's been mentioned elsewhere

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:09 (nine months ago) link

Hadn't read that. I did read that Jamie Foxx will be playing Electro again, which certainly suggests some multiversal fuckery.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:11 (nine months ago) link

I liked the look of Jamie Foxx's Electro, while hating the electric eel origin / Max Dillon as social misfit portrayal. Andrew and Tobey were good, before we knew Marvel could do better. I've compartmentalized Sony's properties from the MCU, so the last two Spider-Man have far exceeded expectations.

Phase 4, most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone. Expecting to be most surprised by Eternals. If/as the movies go cosmic/magical/horror, looking forward to how they ground them.

Beyond - FF and X-Men. About damn time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:49 (nine months ago) link

Are we allowing MCU television in these threads as well? Cuz it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:08 (nine months ago) link

most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone.

Yeah the credits are going to say "based on the character created by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin" and I'm going to be sad because it's not "based on the character in that holy-shit awesome run by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, DUUUUUDE."

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:21 (nine months ago) link

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:22 (nine months ago) link

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (nine months ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (nine months ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (nine months ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (nine months ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (nine months ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (nine months ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (nine months ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (nine months ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (nine months ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (nine months ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (seven months ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (seven months ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (seven months ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (seven months ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (seven months ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (seven months ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (seven months ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (seven months ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (seven months ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (seven months ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (seven months ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (seven months ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (seven months ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (seven months ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (seven months ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (seven months ago) link

“Dour” is a bond reference; for BW, substitute “variably maudlin and insouciant”

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

“Dour” is a bond reference; for BW, substitute “variably maudlin and insouciant”

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

“Dour” is a bond reference; for BW, substitute “variably maudlin and insouciant”

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

“Dour” is a bond reference; for BW, substitute “variably maudlin and insouciant”

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:57 (one week ago) link

Dang zing

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2021 14:58 (one week ago) link

Forks vm otm. My 12 year old daughter was thoroughly bored too and insisted we watch CRUELLA again when we got home for some entertainment.

Piedie Gimbel, Monday, 19 July 2021 15:06 (one week ago) link

I mean, if we are going to judge it by our kids' reactions, our almost 10 year old has watched it four times already.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 July 2021 15:09 (one week ago) link

i would like to judge it from the trailer i saw on tv, which made it look like grey shit

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Monday, 19 July 2021 15:26 (one week ago) link

Will definitely say this, I was thinking Weinstein at the end for sure, but the Karolyi idea, I can live with that as well:

Anyone else notice that the villain in Black Widow started off looking like ruthless gymnastics coach Bela Karolyi, and ended up looking a lot like Harvey Weinstein?

I think this movie might have slightly feministical undertones in the subtexts.#BlackWidow #MeToo pic.twitter.com/piY2ofbQuf

— Marc L'Hommedieu 💛❤💙 (@MarcLHommedieu) July 19, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 July 2021 15:52 (one week ago) link

AITA for calling my bf a gatekeeper? https://t.co/MP5hLZ2wvt pic.twitter.com/TCkMHCmMc4

— Am I the Asshole? (@AITA_reddit) July 19, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 19 July 2021 16:37 (one week ago) link

i liked loki a lot though i have thoughts on the somewhat pro-fascist conclusion
As discussed earlier, welcome to the MCU!

To Valentijn: yeah, i felt that was kind of abrupt, too. But I guess since we already know what happens between Civil War and Infinity War they were... too lazy to even bother explaining exactly what happened here?

Nhex, Monday, 19 July 2021 18:56 (one week ago) link

I'm gonna challenge aldo's Black Widow take in spoiler tags:

It's really weird to me to clutch pearls about the collateral damage of all of the dead employees of the Red Room given that their job was "kidnap, brainwash, and mutilate orphaned girls to mold them into super assassins and murder the ones who don't pass muster". It reeks to me of "it's fictional so I can worry about good people on both sides without any real world blowback or repercussions". Like, are you really rending your garments because the dude who did IT for the Red Room blew up? THAT takes you out of the story?

Karl Havoc (DJP), Monday, 19 July 2021 19:08 (one week ago) link

Basically it's one thing to be all "I'm troubled by the depiction of fascism in superhero stories" but when the addendum is "because I'm sure some of the fascists were actually lovely and devoted to their families" I think you need to start asking yourself some hard questions

Karl Havoc (DJP), Monday, 19 July 2021 19:10 (one week ago) link

djp’s hidden text otm

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 19 July 2021 19:23 (one week ago) link

yeah agreed. and a lotta people probably died in that

taskmaster chase
but again that’s a baddie responsible for that.

i will say it is pretty fuckin hard “12” - that’s the certificate given to it in the UK.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:06 (one week ago) link

haha lol i suck at spoiler tags sorry.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:07 (one week ago) link

DJP is completely otm wrt to the Red Room organization but, to be completely honest, I think the objection was more to the avalanche that presumably killed hundreds of prisoners who, given the narrative, were very frequently innocent people tucked away for being inconvenient to the regime.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 July 2021 20:17 (one week ago) link

Maybe not "more", but also an objection.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 July 2021 20:28 (one week ago) link

Meantime:

EXCLUSIVE: After a thorough search that has involved months of meeting a slew of talent, @Marvel's new 'Blade' movie has found its director: Bassam Tariq https://t.co/Nc13Q3bOh2

— Deadline Hollywood (@DEADLINE) July 19, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 July 2021 20:28 (one week ago) link

Regarding that Black Widow scene: It's not defined who those prisoners actually were; for example, do you think Alexei is meant to be taken as an innocent person given how enthusiastically he gave Natasha and Yelena to the Red Room and how delighted he was by how many people they'd presumably killed? And even then, is the presumption warranted that they were all innocent OR that they all died in the avalanche? It seemed from the staging that most, if not all, of the prisoners made it back inside before the avalanche swept through as well as most of the guards; why isn't the presumption that they survived and were able use exits higher up in the prison to get out? It's literally fiction; the people in that prison can be whomever you want them to be and what happens to them after the snow sweeps through can be whatever you want it to be.

Karl Havoc (DJP), Monday, 19 July 2021 21:04 (one week ago) link

The point j/v/c makes was definitely the jarring point for the reasons he gave. But enhhh I don't really gaf about it, I was just trying to explain why I am less keen on the military complex films rather than Big Men Punching Each Other.

Well *I* know who he is (aldo), Monday, 19 July 2021 21:24 (one week ago) link

I certainly didn't intend to start an argument here, at all, just noting that it wasn't the scene DJP called out that stuck in my craw, it was a different scene. But to answer DJP's questions:

Fair, I do not think Alexei is at all innocent, and saying "very frequently innocent" was overstating the fact. However, given what we do know about Soviet era prisons (which I think was the implication here, or at least the implied allusion with it being in the middle of nowhere), I wouldn't presume them all to be hardened criminals and some of them would be dissidents or resistance types. So no, I would not presume them to be all innocent. Also, yes, I would agree that many of them did make it back to safety, but I don't think any prisoner, regardless of their criminal past, deserves to suffocate to death in a man made avalanche in the name of freeing one guy.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 19 July 2021 21:48 (one week ago) link

Some very geeky speculation based on Black Widow's post credit scene and the possible non-multiverse future of the MCU, also going into the MCU streaming series:

Early MCU days were set off by Nick Fury recruiting Tony Stark for his Initiative. Is Elaine from Seinfeld now setting up a private contractor version of the Avengers? Taking cues from the 'Dark Avengers' comic book storylines where supervillain Norman Osborn got into the good graces of the public and replaced the then-current altruistic Avengers with remodelled villains - maybe also drawing from Mark Millar's 'Ultimates 2' storyline where the Ultimate version of the Avengers were confronted by a counterpart team from opposing foreign nations?
The Contessa seems like a morally ambiguous or even evil Fury, who we now know has a morally ambiguous Captain America and a morally ambiguous Black Widow in her employ. Tim Roth's Abomination will show up in the upcoming She-Hulk series, who could be her Hulk. From the original Avengers, that leaves Iron Man, Hawkeye and Thor. There might easily be an Iron Man counterpart featured in War Machine's announced series Armor Wars, such as the Titanium Man or the Crimson Dynamo. Lalo Salamanca/Tony Dalton will feature in the upcoming Hawkeye series, he might fit as dark Hawkeye, alternatively Hawkeye's brother Trickshot might show up at some point. That leaves Thor. I have no idea which upcoming film or series might feature a 'new Thor'. I keep hoping that Hercules will be introduced at some point, as he's one of my personal favourite Marvel characters. Other Thor-counters could be Ares or the Thor cyborg clone (as in Dark Avengers), or Slavic deity Perun (as in Ultimates 2).
Obviously, I could be entirely wrong here.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 07:01 (one week ago) link

I have no idea which upcoming film or series might feature a 'new Thor'.

Oh that’s no mystery, it’s been announced…

Max Ice (morrisp), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 14:06 (one week ago) link

Oh that’s no mystery, it’s been announced…

Ah, yes... that's pretty obvious indeed. But I don't think -that- new Thor would be a likely candidate for recruitment into a Dark Avengers-style team. But maybe.

Valentijn, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 14:35 (one week ago) link

I like that theory a lot.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 14:45 (one week ago) link

Yeah, I agree with that theory. Valentina/Elaine's first appearance should have been Black Widow BEFORE appearing in Falcon and the Winter Soldier, too... she's definitely going to make more appearances. Maybe they'll introduce Ares or Hercules in the next Thor movie. Abomination seems a lock for this, great idea there. Loki seems a good opportunity in the next season to introduce a character on that power level as well.

Nhex, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 05:26 (one week ago) link

Good interview, this.

https://gizmodo.com/loki-director-kate-herron-explains-the-loneliness-he-wh-1847331591

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 July 2021 17:45 (one week ago) link

This...is very very good casting.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/michaela-coel-black-panther-2-marvel-1235024815/

Also, the making-of on Loki is up at Disney+ as I figured it would be.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 July 2021 00:52 (six days ago) link

And said making of special is pretty fun. Hiddleston narrates, a good piece of promo.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 July 2021 03:27 (six days ago) link

Owen Wilson talking about working with Tom Hiddleston lmao pic.twitter.com/SOUXMbwOIM

— Josh Billinson (@jbillinson) July 21, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 July 2021 03:50 (six days ago) link

the moment where Owen talks about Tom suggesting “there was only one person we considered” vs. Tom later on wrt the casting choice for classic Loki.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 22 July 2021 04:45 (six days ago) link

There are no good options with regards to BP2. It's dumb to lose the character of T'Challa, but Chad's take was so definite...

Casting Coel is exciting, but i'm not sure which wakandan female character is even left to cast? Maybe Storm?

g simmel, Thursday, 22 July 2021 09:06 (six days ago) link

xpost
Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead with Wilson and Hiddleston could be actually amazing

scanner darkly, Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:39 (six days ago) link

i just watched the last episode of loki and it was boring as fuck

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 July 2021 19:53 (six days ago) link

How dare you

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:07 (six days ago) link

suggest ban

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:18 (six days ago) link

our hero sits in a chair for like 25 minutes straight. i lost count of how many times the camera pushed in on the big executive desk of the guy pulling the strings, only to pull back out again in the next shot, or pull out on the desk during the delivery of another dreary bit of exposition in order to push back in on it once we cut back. back and forth. up and back. trying to create the illusion that something was happening! the actor was doing everything he could. trying to find moments. yikes!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:32 (six days ago) link

oh and every now and again she’d try to stab him. just to keep us awake. utterly transparent and very desperate.

and all of a sudden loki’s in favour of pruning, and keeping the tva going? okay. fuck’s sake

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:34 (six days ago) link

Complaints complaints. (I say this out of love, of course.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:39 (six days ago) link

at least in bond movies when the cackling baddie reveals his secret plan in laborious detail there’s a laser beam advancing insensibly on 007’s nuts!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:50 (six days ago) link

Tracer otm tbh

Profiles in Liquid Courage (WmC), Thursday, 22 July 2021 20:53 (six days ago) link

search “chibnall” upthread Tracer

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Thursday, 22 July 2021 21:51 (six days ago) link

lol sic!! my kids were squirming in their seats. “why does he just keep saying the same thing daddy?? we get it!!” ffs i thought i was losing my mind. and then instead of cutting through the bullshit loki…… agrees w him?? “you know what mr baddie… i believe you have a point, you know”

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 July 2021 22:56 (six days ago) link

because he actually wasn't bullshitting!

Nhex, Thursday, 22 July 2021 22:58 (six days ago) link

well we have his word for that. formally he’s the bad guy, the man behind the curtain. it’s true that the show gives us this twist that huh maybe the tva is necessary after all, but it felt very unsatisfying after a 20-minute infodump.

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 July 2021 23:01 (six days ago) link

you're not saying anything i disagree with

Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 22 July 2021 23:56 (six days ago) link

I felt like the exposition went on a bit long and I also felt like he was hamming it up and got a bit tired of it, but I did get the feeling that what he was saying was not bullshit, which was possibly why they had it go on so long, so the viewer wasn't left questioning whether he was lying or not.

akm, Friday, 23 July 2021 02:07 (five days ago) link

that’s fair

Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 July 2021 07:30 (five days ago) link

I think the show did a good job revealing Loki at his most humbled. Is it in the first episode where he recognizes he might be dealing with the greatest power he's ever known? The Sylvie Loki, on the other hand, is not humbled by the circumstances at all, through time and temperament, which is an early (if still obvious) sign that they are not at all the same. So it makes sense (to me) that Loki would just sit and listen, out of curiosity and awe, to what this lunatic is talking about, and ultimately believe him. And of course Sylvie was never going to chill, no matter what Kang said. That's why I was fine with an episode of mostly exposition; our Loki has been us, the viewer, for much of the show, and he wants to know what's going on, too. And as far as exposition dumps go this was a better ending imo than WandaVision (also lots of villain monologuing) and Falcon (don't even remember the villain). Loki's got an audience with God, more or less, so he's all ears.

I do think the show should have done a better job developing Sylvie, but talky or no by the end I really had no idea what either Loki would decided to do. And given how important Kang will apparently be going forward I think they (the show) really needed to explain him to the layman.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 July 2021 12:23 (five days ago) link


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