Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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Setting the poll end date for a few weeks after the current premiere date (25 March 2022) of Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Let the results spur the postmortem. Current plans: six feature films and eight Disney+ tv shows.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Please stop asking me to have an opinion about this 86
Dud 62
Classic 25
Mixed Bag 25
It started out one thing and became another 7
Other 6


(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:48 (two years ago) link

'I could have just avoided the thread altogether but because clicking through to spray the room down with needless haterade is an addiction akin to the most raging of junk habits, allow me to just state for the 457,017,381st time that the MCU is the nadir of Western culture.'

There, I saved some of you some time if you know how to copy + paste.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:03 (two years ago) link

Crazy to think we're now 15 months and counting with no new MCU (unless you count the final season of Agents of SHIELD, which even I don't anymore).

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:06 (two years ago) link

the Helstrom TV show started on Hulu this week

which apparently sort of counts

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:12 (two years ago) link

Oh. Well, that was a stealth-ass debut.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (two years ago) link

it looks, and by all accounts is, absolutely terrible

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (two years ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

anyway, dud

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:20 (two years ago) link

Simon, I left you a present upthread. Please use it in good health.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:25 (two years ago) link

you forgot "fascist"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:26 (two years ago) link

Sorry, I very quickly fell asleep, what was that you were saying?

ANNNNNNYway.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:29 (two years ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

new board descrip pls

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:31 (two years ago) link

Glad this thread is here to get you to stop social distancing, bg! Adopt herd immunity!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:37 (two years ago) link

work on yr nerd immunity imo

ok ok I'm actually done for now enjoy folks

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:42 (two years ago) link

Gentlemen you can’t needlessly rehash something for the 457,017,381st time in here, this is the marvel cinematic universe phase 4 and beyond thread

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:51 (two years ago) link

Looool

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 (two years ago) link

Did u know that if your eyes roll with enough force that they can actually detach from their stalks and fly out u face? I wish I hadn't had to discover that first-hand just this very moment. Dang.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:55 (two years ago) link

is this the thread where we can talk about andrew garfield and tobey maguire maybe appearing as spider-men in the third tom holland spider-man movie? because i can't be fucked looking to see if it's been mentioned elsewhere

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:09 (two years ago) link

Hadn't read that. I did read that Jamie Foxx will be playing Electro again, which certainly suggests some multiversal fuckery.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:11 (two years ago) link

I liked the look of Jamie Foxx's Electro, while hating the electric eel origin / Max Dillon as social misfit portrayal. Andrew and Tobey were good, before we knew Marvel could do better. I've compartmentalized Sony's properties from the MCU, so the last two Spider-Man have far exceeded expectations.

Phase 4, most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone. Expecting to be most surprised by Eternals. If/as the movies go cosmic/magical/horror, looking forward to how they ground them.

Beyond - FF and X-Men. About damn time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:49 (two years ago) link

Are we allowing MCU television in these threads as well? Cuz it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:08 (two years ago) link

most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone.

Yeah the credits are going to say "based on the character created by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin" and I'm going to be sad because it's not "based on the character in that holy-shit awesome run by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, DUUUUUDE."

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:21 (two years ago) link

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:22 (two years ago) link

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (two years ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (two years ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (two years ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (two years ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (two years ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (two years ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (two years ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (two years ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (two years ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (two years ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (one year ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (one year ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (one year ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (one year ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (one year ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (one year ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (one year ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (one year ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (one year ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (one year ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (one year ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (one year ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (one year ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (one year ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (one year ago) link

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/blade-movie-on-hold-as-marvel-1235238872/

lol, yeah, really, you probably should have locked down that director and especially the script part before you started production.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 October 2022 17:53 (one month ago) link

Wow. She-Hulk finale was absolutely wild.

Loved those opening credits too.

groovypanda, Thursday, 13 October 2022 16:35 (one month ago) link

Another WWBN satisfied customer. Not 100% on Man-Thing's history - has he ever had a consciousness? I only know him/it as the "whoever knows fear burns at the Man-Thing's touch" / Nexus of All Realities shuffling beast, relatively mindless. I liked this Ted interpretation a lot.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 13 October 2022 17:00 (one month ago) link

jings

/Film can independently confirm that Harrison Ford will play Gen. Thunderbolt Ross in #Thunderbolts.https://t.co/BnI7ttWQPy

— /Film (@slashfilm) October 13, 2022

manic pixie dream shatner (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 October 2022 09:08 (one month ago) link

I thought the She-Hulk finale was excellent and set it well apart from all other series, obviously deliberately steered that way but in a very fitting way, done really well.
The entire series could sometimes frustrate me a little, as it had a 30m comedy/sitcom format but half of the episodes weren't really funny enough to match that style. But that finale and the Madisynn and DD episodes were really, really great.

Wasn't overwhelmed with Werewolf By Night myself. I did have a lot of appreciation for the way it was filmed, the classic horror style and especially all the lighting effects and enjoyed it enough, but overall the story, dialogue and characters didn't do much for me. Mind that while I'm a Marvel nut, I never got into their horror stuff/the source material for this at all. I do have got some good stuff with Elsa Bloodstone but I get that obviously nothing from Nextwave would fit in a feature like this.
The ww transformation scene did look amazing (the flickering lights and the shadow on the wall) but I thought his subsequent look was a bit disappointingly silly, although I know that it was very faithful to the comics.
Man-thing looked really good, but I had the same doubts as in body of a spider's hidden comment, I also am not aware of a conscious Man-Thing who responds to Ted Sallis' name. I'm not sure if I like this interpretation all that much - in the final scene with him and Jack, I found him a bit too similar to Groot like this..

Valentijn, Friday, 14 October 2022 09:27 (one month ago) link

Final She-Hulk was tons of fun. Did they only have Charlie Cox for a day? Because he did so little to hide his Irish accent I thought for a second he was leaving it on purpose.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 October 2022 11:57 (one month ago) link

he's English

Number None, Saturday, 15 October 2022 23:35 (one month ago) link

huh. wonder what was up with his accent, we both heard Irish!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 October 2022 02:08 (one month ago) link

loved the she-hulk finale, super fun
and always glad for more charlie!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 16 October 2022 02:59 (one month ago) link

THe Druid's Ball Turner prize winning installation was on exhibition in Galway for a month and a half recently. In the film of the actual Ball held in Belfast there is a part of a performance by drag artist Rosa Tralee who uses the phrase that she has her divaship as part of a talk she is giving which turns into a chant when she takes the audience outside at the end of the night. So that was running through my head when She-Hulk was described as a Diva at the end.

Stevolende, Sunday, 16 October 2022 07:35 (one month ago) link

Ants ants ants

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlNFpri-Y40

Ned Raggett, Monday, 24 October 2022 17:35 (one month ago) link

kang kang kang

Caroline Polachek, there's money to be made!

Into me
Kang! and I go
Into you
Kang! and you go
Into me ...

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 24 October 2022 19:01 (one month ago) link

So! I watched No Way Home. I was not expecting....to be so moved by such a cynical way to join the three Spider-Men and their most iconic villains, especially since I've no attachments to the original films w/ the mild exception of Tobey Maguire's second try.

But I know the comics, and I forgot how well Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina embodied their roles. I sorta wonder how the younger audience members several months ago responded when they appeared -- or even when Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire did.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 01:25 (one month ago) link

OTM, except for me it’s the first Raimi film (which I’ve found holds up well, even though it’s overlong).

Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Wednesday, 26 October 2022 02:40 (one month ago) link

Rewatching Far From Home (that’s the second one, if you get the titles mixed up like I do)— it’s actually pretty good, it’s just the Mysterio parts that are a drag. I don’t like storylines where the good guys get “tricked” by a big, complicated deceit.

Reese's Pisces Iscariot (morrisp), Sunday, 6 November 2022 00:36 (one month ago) link

So...Wakanda Forever anyone? Given it's been such a full week with everything I almost feel like this just suddenly finally happened, but saw it Thursday: not the first film by default but not trying to be -- imagining what it would be like if Boseman hadn't passed and you can see how the bones of the story with Namor would have happened. Often a mood piece, an elegant extended farewell in many ways, down to the usual mid-credits scene.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 12 November 2022 18:03 (three weeks ago) link

I’m looking forward to seeing it soon - pretty much down for anything Coogler does at this point

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 12 November 2022 18:51 (three weeks ago) link

seeing it later today, a bit daunted by the running time and I'm overall feeling pretty disinterested in this franchise, but whatever.

akm, Saturday, 12 November 2022 21:52 (three weeks ago) link

I thought it was good, and for long stretches it even felt like a real movie, but it was also kind of slow and long and overly solemn (albeit for obvious reasons). Parts of it gave me "Eternals" vibes, tbh, though "The Eternals" was slow and long and really stupid, too, and "Black Panther 2" wasn't stupid. Mostly I like the idea of this movie of warring blue water people taking the wind out of the sails of next big movie about warring blue water people.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:02 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, fwiw, this was the first movie in forever where the first theatre we went to was sold out through the end of the day, so we had to go somewhere else.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 12 November 2022 23:06 (three weeks ago) link

Ok this is very good. Agree that there are big chunks of this that feel like a real movie and not just a Marvel Entertainment.

akm, Sunday, 13 November 2022 15:22 (three weeks ago) link

I read a pull quote from Armond White’s review of this and seriously why is he still alive but Chadwick Boseman is dead? Like if you wanted actual proof that life is capricious and random and that there’s no benevolent diety guiding things along a master plan, there you go

castanuts (DJP), Sunday, 13 November 2022 17:03 (three weeks ago) link

I wasn't expecting this to be as good as it is, partly because generally speaking I find Leticia Wright kind of annoying, but she carried this well and her dramatic work, particularly at the very end, was great. there are a lot of really great looking scenes in this and the underwater stuff comes across much more convincingly than similar stuff in Aquaman. Marvel films that touch on grander conspiracy themes have a tendency to get bogged down in plot machinations that I have a hard time following or recalling from one movie to the next but this moved along briskly without overt storytelling complications. I did think I had found a plot hole when it was over, but that was resolved about 60 seconds later in a mid-credits scene.

akm, Sunday, 13 November 2022 18:58 (three weeks ago) link

What was the plot hole?

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 20 November 2022 17:52 (two weeks ago) link

they never explained who the Best Boy was

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Monday, 21 November 2022 01:02 (two weeks ago) link

Nice interview on Why Marvel Films Look Like That

https://www.techwontsave.us/episode/142_why_visual_effects_look_the_way_they_do_w_julie_turnock

(ILM and because Jon Favreau really liked the look of “Empire Strikes Back”)

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 21 November 2022 01:13 (two weeks ago) link

xp Lol x3

"Mick Wall at Kerrang!" (morrisp), Monday, 21 November 2022 01:43 (two weeks ago) link

it's good that films are now putting their running times right there in the title

mark s, Monday, 21 November 2022 12:25 (two weeks ago) link

(heh, we made that joke at the dinner table yesterday.)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 November 2022 13:17 (two weeks ago) link

It’s a deeply unfunny joke

castanuts (DJP), Monday, 21 November 2022 14:06 (two weeks ago) link

lot of weird critical soul searching from reviewers about "why don't i like wakanda forever more than i do, am i a bad person"

my main gripe is that they should have had Winston Duke say "fish man" more times because it was funnier every time

mh, Monday, 21 November 2022 18:57 (two weeks ago) link

"Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special" had its silly/sweet/stupid moments, but I'm not sure James Gunn should have boasted that it took him just a couple of hours to write.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 26 November 2022 17:35 (one week ago) link

the star wars holiday special took 48 hours on quaaludes to write

mh, Saturday, 26 November 2022 19:55 (one week ago) link

They seem to be ramping up the promo machine hype rhythm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3V5KDHRQvk

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2022 00:47 (six days ago) link

Going big on the music there

Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 December 2022 00:58 (six days ago) link

looks like a cross between two story arcs that they've teased (Rocket's past, Adam Warlock) and who knows, might work?

I feel like Gunn's attention is kind of split between projects and hopefully Pratt gets third or fourth screentime in this one

outside of MCU, if you have a chance to play the Guardians video game, I'd recommend it. kind of a rail-style adventure game that's competently executed across the board, with no real curveballs but a thought-out plot and funny Adam Warlock speeches in full alliteration mode and ridiculous Infinity saga trappings (that darn Magus!)

mh, Friday, 2 December 2022 01:24 (six days ago) link

oh, and the fact they land on what looks like earth with critters, probably the High Evolutionary?

mh, Friday, 2 December 2022 01:25 (six days ago) link

Didn't Gunn say he had this all scripted before Disney canned (and rehired) him? Hopefully that means he had it pretty well mapped out. Though in interviews I think he said this was more of a struggle than the other ones, but perhaps that's the subject matter and end of an era weighing on him.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 December 2022 03:26 (six days ago) link

wow, "In the Meantime" now as old as "Come and Get Your Love" was when Vol. 1 came out

sloop johnnin' skater (geoffreyess), Friday, 2 December 2022 04:28 (six days ago) link

yeah high evolutionary sounds about right.
why does everything accelerate into dark grim gritty, this shit should be vaguely amusing and do nothing more than that.

Pratt can't be funny anymore?

more crankable (sic), Friday, 2 December 2022 07:55 (six days ago) link

wow, "In the Meantime" now as old as "Come and Get Your Love" was when Vol. 1 came out


okay this is gonna have me fucked up for days

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 December 2022 16:28 (six days ago) link

Until you realise that 41 years is longer than 27 years and geoffrey was being funny

more crankable (sic), Friday, 2 December 2022 16:46 (six days ago) link

:( meant to hide tag

more crankable (sic), Friday, 2 December 2022 16:47 (six days ago) link

lol I can do the math. it’s still gonna have me fucked yo for days!

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 December 2022 17:55 (six days ago) link

aaand fu autocorrect. yo.

poster of sparks (rogermexico.), Friday, 2 December 2022 17:55 (six days ago) link

well anyways good for royston langdon and now that spacehog has received the dramatic half-time nostalgia movie trailer treatment I guess I am old now, hello everyone see you at the rec center hope there is bread pudding today

Florin Cuchares, Saturday, 3 December 2022 04:45 (five days ago) link

new board: i love bingo

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 3 December 2022 05:06 (five days ago) link


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