Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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Setting the poll end date for a few weeks after the current premiere date (25 March 2022) of Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Let the results spur the postmortem. Current plans: six feature films and eight Disney+ tv shows.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Please stop asking me to have an opinion about this 86
Dud 62
Classic 25
Mixed Bag 25
It started out one thing and became another 7
Other 6


(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:48 (three years ago) link

'I could have just avoided the thread altogether but because clicking through to spray the room down with needless haterade is an addiction akin to the most raging of junk habits, allow me to just state for the 457,017,381st time that the MCU is the nadir of Western culture.'

There, I saved some of you some time if you know how to copy + paste.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:03 (three years ago) link

Crazy to think we're now 15 months and counting with no new MCU (unless you count the final season of Agents of SHIELD, which even I don't anymore).

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:06 (three years ago) link

the Helstrom TV show started on Hulu this week

which apparently sort of counts

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:12 (three years ago) link

Oh. Well, that was a stealth-ass debut.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link

it looks, and by all accounts is, absolutely terrible

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

anyway, dud

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:20 (three years ago) link

Simon, I left you a present upthread. Please use it in good health.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

you forgot "fascist"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:26 (three years ago) link

Sorry, I very quickly fell asleep, what was that you were saying?

ANNNNNNYway.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:29 (three years ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

new board descrip pls

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:31 (three years ago) link

Glad this thread is here to get you to stop social distancing, bg! Adopt herd immunity!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:37 (three years ago) link

work on yr nerd immunity imo

ok ok I'm actually done for now enjoy folks

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:42 (three years ago) link

Gentlemen you can’t needlessly rehash something for the 457,017,381st time in here, this is the marvel cinematic universe phase 4 and beyond thread

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:51 (three years ago) link

Looool

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link

Did u know that if your eyes roll with enough force that they can actually detach from their stalks and fly out u face? I wish I hadn't had to discover that first-hand just this very moment. Dang.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:55 (three years ago) link

is this the thread where we can talk about andrew garfield and tobey maguire maybe appearing as spider-men in the third tom holland spider-man movie? because i can't be fucked looking to see if it's been mentioned elsewhere

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:09 (three years ago) link

Hadn't read that. I did read that Jamie Foxx will be playing Electro again, which certainly suggests some multiversal fuckery.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link

I liked the look of Jamie Foxx's Electro, while hating the electric eel origin / Max Dillon as social misfit portrayal. Andrew and Tobey were good, before we knew Marvel could do better. I've compartmentalized Sony's properties from the MCU, so the last two Spider-Man have far exceeded expectations.

Phase 4, most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone. Expecting to be most surprised by Eternals. If/as the movies go cosmic/magical/horror, looking forward to how they ground them.

Beyond - FF and X-Men. About damn time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:49 (three years ago) link

Are we allowing MCU television in these threads as well? Cuz it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link

most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone.

Yeah the credits are going to say "based on the character created by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin" and I'm going to be sad because it's not "based on the character in that holy-shit awesome run by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, DUUUUUDE."

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:22 (three years ago) link

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (three years ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (three years ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (three years ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (three years ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (three years ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (three years ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (three years ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (three years ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (three years ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (three years ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (three years ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link

milo don’t you (or didn’t you) have some stake in some comics/games store at some point or am I thinking of someone else?

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 21:48 (six days ago) link

I still work/99% run two stores.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 19 February 2024 21:50 (six days ago) link

Parallels to comic books - Marvel had a good thing going when they got the Star Wars rights and were selling one or two Star Wars titles. Then they started pumping out miniseries and titles focused on characters non-die hards didn't know/care about and it wound up hurting the numbers on the core titles because people get fed up with having to buy 10 $4.99 comics to keep up with the Star Wars comic universe vs. 1-2.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 19 February 2024 21:55 (six days ago) link

Madame Web sounds awful, but my preteen nieces really wanted to see it for some reason, and loved it… lol

Bison UpChg (morrisp), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:00 (six days ago) link

There were only three MCU films last year - are you thinking of Across the Spider-Verse?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 February 2024 22:01 (six days ago) link

“It failed. Sony tried to make a movie that was a different type of superhero movie.”

This from all reports and all evidence is just demonstrably not true, but sure as shit is something a clueless self-exculpatory studio exec would say.

And also, the fun YMS review https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOAZjbumc2E

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:02 (six days ago) link

I hope they don’t kill the Spider-Woman movie that’s reportedly in development (unless maybe it’s for the best…).

Bison UpChg (morrisp), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:18 (six days ago) link

I don't know if it has ever been discerned that the fan boy base will not support a super hero movie if its deemed unfaithful to the source material, but i believe there is only one version of madame web to have appeared in marvel comics, and she is an elderly invalid precog, created in 1980, not, notably, a very comely 30something woman. If some sony functionary thought, "lets use this IP for the kind of character we want to make a movie about," well, the fanboy base does not like that. Maybe make the movie you want to make about the kind of character you want to involve, and use your own original IP instead of concepts created 40/50/60 years ago.

What I also don't understand is that Sony keeps making and marketing movies based on Spider man affiliated IP, but the Spiderman character only has appeared in MCU shit for nine years now. so do these Sony films, like this one or morbius or venom, make reference to Spider-man? and you never see him? they most certainly do not reference any MCU shit, right?

veronica moser, Monday, 19 February 2024 22:20 (six days ago) link

Young me as infatuated with the classic spider-woman. That was a badass costume.

Cow_Art, Monday, 19 February 2024 22:21 (six days ago) link

“It failed. Sony tried to make a movie that was a different type of superhero movie.”

The Microsoft error message - YOU have made an error and the computer has now crashed.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:23 (six days ago) link

All the Sony Spider-man spin-offs have been stinkers (if not flops)

I like the Venom movies, they are dumb and entertaining, and I think they did ok?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:31 (six days ago) link

the venom movies are great. they should just be making more venom movies

ivy., Monday, 19 February 2024 22:36 (six days ago) link

They did very well - 7th biggest film each year. Probably a combination of a character introduced in the earlier Spider-Man films, Tom Hardy having a good old time, and body horror (Michelle Williams' wigs)

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 February 2024 22:38 (six days ago) link

Yeah, sorry, I meant they (these Sony movies) were *not* all flops, but imo they were all stinkers, though I guess ymmv with "Venom" movies, because I don't think they are necessarily "good," though it can be argued that makes them better.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 19 February 2024 22:42 (six days ago) link

What I also don't understand is that Sony keeps making and marketing movies based on Spider man affiliated IP, but the Spiderman character only has appeared in MCU shit for nine years now. so do these Sony films, like this one or morbius or venom, make reference to Spider-man?

My understanding (and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) is that "Sony's Spider-Man Universe" is a shared universe in which Peter Parker hasn't been introduced yet; although apparently Madame Web makes a clumsy effort to allude to Uncle Ben & baby Peter, which may be why it's set in the early 2000s. I guess you see this universe briefly in Across the Spider-Verse, when they universe-hop into the Venom convenience store or whatever.

Bison UpChg (morrisp), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:46 (six days ago) link

I will probably watch all the MCU movies and tv shows until they stop making them, even if I recognize it’s been diminishing returns the last few years. The completist in me will… complete this universe.

But I have absolutely no interest in the Sony-verse, and I’ve also stopped watching all the DC movies since Justice League. Never looked back.

sctttnnnt (pgwp), Monday, 19 February 2024 22:59 (six days ago) link

Don't sleep on "The Batman"! (it's not a "DCEU" movie, obv)

Sony's Sports Walkman Universe (morrisp), Monday, 19 February 2024 23:04 (six days ago) link

I think the original plan was that the "Sony Spider-Man Universe" would have Tom Holland's Spider-Man, and he'd be in both those movies and the MCU movies, and maybe if it went well, there would be some people appearing in one loaned to the other - and then negotiations broke down, and at one point there was going to be only two Spider-Man films and that was that, then apparently Tom Holland personally intervened! and things were smoothed out again, but without much of the original plan except Michael Keaton in Venom 2!

This would all have folded immediately if Venom hadn't been in a hit, is my impression - there's a third Venom film out this year (after Aaron Taylor-Johnson as Kraven the Hunter, which looks like the kind of disaster that some are describing Madame Web as) and I guess if that does well, then there juice in... Untitled Hypno-Hustler film? <groan>

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 19 February 2024 23:43 (six days ago) link

Gail Simone was giving a boost to people tweeting about the theory that someone at Sony was idly searching for “villain team” ideas for their Spider properties and came up with her version of DC’s Sinister Six, which would explain the weird announcement that that Sony was making some minor luchador spider-character movie and why Kraven seems like he’s more into protecting wildlife than hunting it in the trailer for that property

The next dot to connect was Madame Web team -> their take on Birds of Prey, down to a woman in a wheelchair coordinating

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 23:51 (six days ago) link

honestly, all these things start to look like each other eventually so who even knows

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 19 February 2024 23:52 (six days ago) link

i’ve also stopped watching all the DC movies since Justice League. Never looked back.

well they are all terrible with two exceptions; the second Suicide Squad (which presumably will be some kind of tonal launching pad for James Gunn's attempt to fix this 'universe') and I will stand up for the Flash because it is really stupid and doesn't pretend not to be.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:27 (five days ago) link

Second "Suicide Squad" (and "Peacemaker") is tons of fun. Between that and "Guardians," I'm all for movies based on obscure (to me) characters/teams, but only as long as Gunn is doing it. But, like, a Gunn "Superman"? I don't even know what a good "Superman" movie needs, but I'm pretty sure the stuff Gunn brought to the aforementioned is not it.

A lot of the recent Marvel misfires, there's just nothing at stake, which more or less means the things hinge entirely on the FX, even more than usual. But the FX have not been particularly interesting, by and large. Think of the supposed visual splendors of "The Eternals," one of the most dull and drab of all the MCU (and the one that set the slump in motion), vs. the most recent "Guardians," which is popping with color and inventive visuals.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 00:36 (five days ago) link

The first Suicide Squad movie (the one with Will Smith) was less bad than any Marvel movie I’ve seen post-first GOTG. Smith and Robbie’s charisma goes a long way.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 01:05 (five days ago) link

Has there been a particularly good superhero movie that flopped yet?

Finn’s second one.

bae (sic), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 02:12 (five days ago) link

Jesus fuck, autocorrect

bae (sic), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 02:12 (five days ago) link

Gunn’s second one.

bae (sic), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 02:13 (five days ago) link

Super? That one had such a fucked-up theatrical release.

The second Suicide Squad lost about 20 million.

Beyond Goo and Evol (President Keyes), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 03:39 (five days ago) link

yeah I think the reputation of the first one tainted it unfairly. also it was a weird pandemic release from what i remember

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 03:51 (five days ago) link

If you count Dredd, that too.

bae (sic), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 04:03 (five days ago) link

Weird. The second Suicide Squad had a lot more heart (who’d have thought Starro could be sympathetic?) plus no Jared, less Jai, and no cringy Flag/Enchantress romance. 13 year difference maybe didn’t bother everyone, but Cara’s youth gave Flag groomer vibes. Maybe TDK, Weasel and Polka-Dot Man humor was too much for folk?

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 06:44 (five days ago) link

it came out three weeks after cinemas reopened and was streaming hours beforehand

bae (sic), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 06:55 (five days ago) link

Gunn's Suicide Squad was great, miles better than Ayer's one.

Also spawned Cena's Peacemaker show which was a blast.

groovypanda, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 07:16 (five days ago) link

Controp: Jai Courtney was actually good as Captain Boomerang, possibly for the first time ever.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 12:48 (five days ago) link

Speaking of the MCU, I, too, have more or less enjoyed most of the movie/TV releases; I think I've seen all of them in the theaters except for "The Eternals" and "Iron Man 2" (which remain MCU low-points, imo). I've even enjoyed less liked installments like "Thor 2" and "Black Widow." However, I haven't seen all the TV shows yet. Skipped "Secret Invasion," haven't watched "What If?" and only last night realized I never got around to "Echo." She's another character I know nothing about, but the first ep was pretty solid, and felt a little different, which is good.

BTW, this last year has truly been a banner moment for on-screen Native American representation/casting, hasn't it? "Echo," "Reservation Dogs," "The Curse," "True Detective" and "Killers of the Flower Moon." (Maybe more I'm missing?) Admittedly, it's sometimes the same actors, but it's a good (belated) start. Hopefully it's not a one-and-done trend and the correction sticks.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 13:42 (five days ago) link

I've been going through everything in order with the family. We're currently almost done with Ms. Marvel, which is fun and cute but probably my least favorite of the television series so far. It doesn't seem very grounded and the bad guys and their conflict isn't that engaging to me, but I like the tone of it.

Moon Knight > Loki > Wandavision >>> Falcon/Winter Soldier = Hawkeye > Ms. Marvel

The first half of Wandavision is probably my favorite of all, but by the end when it was color coded energy blargles it lost a lot of its charm.

As far as the movies, we just watched Thor: Love & Thunder. It was fun but leaned too far into goofiness. Thor 3 was one of my favorites and it was hard to see that perfect balance go sideways. We started going through these a year and a half ago and it's strange to think we've almost caught up with current releases.

She-Hulk
Werewolf
Wakanda Forever
Quantamania
Secret Invasion
Loki 2
The Marvels
Echo

I'm most looking forward to She-Hulk, least excited about Secret Invasion.

If my 9 year old has seen all of this stuff, is Echo too mature for her? I see that it's rated more mature and I'm not sure what that entails. We might skip that one, with her at least.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:19 (five days ago) link

I really don't feel like watching secret invasion, will the Marvels make any sense if I skip it?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:21 (five days ago) link

I would be wary of letting a 9yo watch Echo. It’s not as brutal as the Netflix Marvel shows but it trends that way. Probably best to watch them first by yourself and judge from there.

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:23 (five days ago) link

Yeah, first ep has plenty of blood/murder.

Don't know if watching "Secret Invasion" would make "The Marvels" make more sense, but there's not way it would make it better, heh. However, probably helps to see "Ms. Marvel" before "The Marvels." Maybe "WandaVision."

My tally of these:

She-Hulk
Fun!
Werewolf
Fun but forgettable.
Wakanda Forever
I was disappointed, high stakes but, contradictorily, still felt inconsequential.
Quantamania
Forgettable, inconsequential.
Secret Invasion
n/a Or maybe I saw the first one, and we were, like, nah.
Loki 2
Too long, but sticks the landing.
The Marvels
Not too long (for once), but totally by the numbers at best, and worse than that at ... worst.
Echo
First ep was good.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:30 (five days ago) link

I’ve diligently watched everything but let the wife and kids skip the stinkers. Is Secret Invasion as bad as Iron Man 2, Thor 2, and the Eternals?

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:30 (five days ago) link

Yes

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:32 (five days ago) link

Bits of it are fine but it’s mostly a pile of nonsense

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:32 (five days ago) link

Secret Invasion will arguably cause The Marvels to make less sense - as a comic book reader, I'm pretty inured to "oh this probably happened between issues of this other thing that contradicts it".

I wouldn't say nothing happens in Secret Invasion - it kills a couple of characters from the films, but mostly it's the closest thing to a Nick Fury TV show that you'll get, so if you want to see him scowl and bark (and have a few good character moments) it's good for that.

I liked The Marvels plenty - it's in the odd position that it's both the shortest film and has two obvious "tacked on for the memes" sequences - but the core plot and relationship between the three leads (and Fury) are all well done.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:43 (five days ago) link

Also I dug that SI was operating in a genre (paranoid political thriller) that the MCU doesn't really do - the closest would be The Winter Soldier, if you squint?

Any five minutes of it is better than any five minutes of Malekith, or Tony Stark's Daddy Issues.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:47 (five days ago) link

As far as the movies, we just watched Thor: Love & Thunder. It was fun but leaned too far into goofiness.

I maintain that it should've leaned harder into goofiness, and that they should've made more explicit the fact that the entire movie is a load of shaggy dog BS being whipped up on the fly by unreliable narrator Korg. It could've been a new Princess Bride. Something got seriously lost in translation/studio interference.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:48 (five days ago) link

Yeah, that would have worked. It was tonally off-balance with wackiness and then deadly serious bits. James Gunn manages to make that work, but it didn't really click here.

Cow_Art, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 14:53 (five days ago) link

I think it's maybe because the Guardians themselves are funny, well-written characters; the humor comes from their interaction/bickering. Whereas the central joke of Thor is that he is *not* funny, he's a pompous straight man, which can be silly, but just writing jokes around him is not innately funny. Iirc the smart move of "Ragnarok" was literally separating Thor from the drama, cordoning him off in his own wacky story while the serious stuff transpired elsewhere.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:09 (five days ago) link

I like these movies but they're pretty simple-minded; I think you could easily skip Wandavision and Secret Invasion and Ms Marvel and still make complete sense of The Marvels.

("Why is Nick Fury in space?" "A. Cause he's a space guy now" is pretty much all you need to know, for better and worse.)

I got really bored with GOTG3 and stopped watching after 30 mins, maybe I should try again. I think, even if the quality of some of these movies is still quite good, the repetition is definitely getting boring.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:26 (five days ago) link

Versus, say, Strange New Worlds and Lower Decks, which are doing plotlines I've seen countless times before in other Star Treks, but are somehow still pretty fresh and fun.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 20 February 2024 15:28 (five days ago) link

GOTG3 has the best Adrian Belew reference in the Marvel Universe, for this I give it many thanks.

my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 21 February 2024 16:21 (four days ago) link


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