Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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Poll Closing Date: Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:00 (in 7 months)

Setting the poll end date for a few weeks after the current premiere date (25 March 2022) of Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Let the results spur the postmortem. Current plans: six feature films and eight Disney+ tv shows.

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(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:48 (one year ago) link

'I could have just avoided the thread altogether but because clicking through to spray the room down with needless haterade is an addiction akin to the most raging of junk habits, allow me to just state for the 457,017,381st time that the MCU is the nadir of Western culture.'

There, I saved some of you some time if you know how to copy + paste.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:03 (one year ago) link

Crazy to think we're now 15 months and counting with no new MCU (unless you count the final season of Agents of SHIELD, which even I don't anymore).

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:06 (one year ago) link

the Helstrom TV show started on Hulu this week

which apparently sort of counts

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:12 (one year ago) link

Oh. Well, that was a stealth-ass debut.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (one year ago) link

it looks, and by all accounts is, absolutely terrible

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (one year ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

anyway, dud

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:20 (one year ago) link

Simon, I left you a present upthread. Please use it in good health.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:25 (one year ago) link

you forgot "fascist"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:26 (one year ago) link

Sorry, I very quickly fell asleep, what was that you were saying?

ANNNNNNYway.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:29 (one year ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

new board descrip pls

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:31 (one year ago) link

Glad this thread is here to get you to stop social distancing, bg! Adopt herd immunity!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:37 (one year ago) link

work on yr nerd immunity imo

ok ok I'm actually done for now enjoy folks

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:42 (one year ago) link

Gentlemen you can’t needlessly rehash something for the 457,017,381st time in here, this is the marvel cinematic universe phase 4 and beyond thread

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:51 (one year ago) link

Looool

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 (one year ago) link

Did u know that if your eyes roll with enough force that they can actually detach from their stalks and fly out u face? I wish I hadn't had to discover that first-hand just this very moment. Dang.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:55 (one year ago) link

is this the thread where we can talk about andrew garfield and tobey maguire maybe appearing as spider-men in the third tom holland spider-man movie? because i can't be fucked looking to see if it's been mentioned elsewhere

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:09 (one year ago) link

Hadn't read that. I did read that Jamie Foxx will be playing Electro again, which certainly suggests some multiversal fuckery.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:11 (one year ago) link

I liked the look of Jamie Foxx's Electro, while hating the electric eel origin / Max Dillon as social misfit portrayal. Andrew and Tobey were good, before we knew Marvel could do better. I've compartmentalized Sony's properties from the MCU, so the last two Spider-Man have far exceeded expectations.

Phase 4, most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone. Expecting to be most surprised by Eternals. If/as the movies go cosmic/magical/horror, looking forward to how they ground them.

Beyond - FF and X-Men. About damn time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:49 (one year ago) link

Are we allowing MCU television in these threads as well? Cuz it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:08 (one year ago) link

most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone.

Yeah the credits are going to say "based on the character created by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin" and I'm going to be sad because it's not "based on the character in that holy-shit awesome run by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, DUUUUUDE."

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:21 (one year ago) link

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:22 (one year ago) link

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (one year ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (one year ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (one year ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (one year ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (one year ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (eleven months ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (eleven months ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (eleven months ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (eleven months ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (ten months ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (ten months ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (ten months ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (ten months ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (ten months ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (ten months ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (ten months ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (ten months ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (ten months ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (ten months ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (ten months ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (ten months ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (ten months ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (ten months ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (ten months ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (ten months ago) link

AV is right about the voice acting at least - only Cumberbatch and Jones this week (well, and Renner) didn't help.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 1 October 2021 18:27 (two weeks ago) link

tfw you have absolutely no defense

Disney & ScarJo have settled.

― juristic person (morrisp), Friday, October 1, 2021 4:19 AM (fifteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 1 October 2021 19:34 (two weeks ago) link

Shang-Chi was so much fun you guys

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 3 October 2021 16:37 (two weeks ago) link

Jeffrey Wright is fantastic and the last episode was a lot of fun - first instance of Kirby dots in the MCU?

There’s something pleasingly Shatneresque about Wright’s voiceover work

Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 3 October 2021 20:47 (two weeks ago) link

that's usually how he sounds! he was similarly avuncular in Source Code

Nhex, Monday, 4 October 2021 03:39 (two weeks ago) link

So apparently this season of What If..? was supposed to be 10 episodes long but ended up 9 because Covid and the missing episode would have explained how Gamora turns up in the finale

groovypanda, Thursday, 7 October 2021 13:41 (one week ago) link

Yeah, definitely seemed from context that would've been an entire extra episode. Also, they ended up referencing almost every other episode in S1, except maybe the "Who Killed the Avengers?" ep - though maybe the Loki from that one showed up for a second?

Liked they all picked up after the respective ends of their episodes, like Thor fighting Ultron, Killmonger about to be apprehended, etc.

Funny how this was a better adaptation of the Age of Ultron series than the movie was (which only took the title m/l)

Nhex, Thursday, 7 October 2021 14:01 (one week ago) link

And - bittersweet, we got way more Chadwick Boseman in this series than I was expecting.

Nhex, Thursday, 7 October 2021 14:04 (one week ago) link

Really enjoyed that finale and how all the storylines dovetailed together - it was easily the best of the Disney+ finales so far. I don't watch many cartoons, but it seemed like the action sequences were really well designed and edited - a lot more involving and easy-to-follow than the movie fights.

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 October 2021 16:39 (one week ago) link

There was a kind of joyful glibness (but with stakes!) that reminded me of Buffy, but minus the smarm

Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 7 October 2021 16:40 (one week ago) link

Yeah, definitely seemed from context that would've been an entire extra episode.

I wouldn't have minded seeing it, but on the other hand if they had to cut one I'm not surprised that they cut "What if this character did the thing that they'd explicitly been trying to do from their first appearance?"

I like that the last coda matched the first episode, Hayley Atwell was a gift to this show - as of course was Chris Hemsworth.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 8 October 2021 08:31 (one week ago) link

The missing episode is going to be part of Season 2 now and is set on Sakaar and will play as a comedy (like the Thor one)

groovypanda, Friday, 8 October 2021 08:49 (one week ago) link

That finale was good, I enjoyed it and while I know some get put off by the interconnectedness of the MCU, I do like the slow build to that without detracting from enjoying them as standalone episodes.

In other news, I <3 Kathryn Hahn and Agatha, but I'm not ready to start seeing spin-offs of spin-offs now.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 8 October 2021 19:50 (one week ago) link

We got Warlock

As you guys know I often strike down false rumors, so… um…

Welcome to the Guardians family, Will Poulter. He’s an amazing actor and wonderful guy. See you in a couple weeks. #AdamWarlock #GotGVol3 https://t.co/RaNeGDIC0E

— James Gunn (@JamesGunn) October 11, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 October 2021 23:55 (one week ago) link

Tickets for Eternals also on sale

Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 October 2021 23:56 (one week ago) link

I decided yesterday that we'll have true progress when the hero of color can take down a white villain single handedly and not have to fight a blobmonster or a villain of similar color at the end of a movie

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 12 October 2021 14:33 (one week ago) link

New Hawkeye trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyXUaNhqpqE

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 October 2021 16:36 (six days ago) link

It's me, the dude who is so unbelievably hyped for this

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Thursday, 14 October 2021 20:58 (six days ago) link

Me too. That looks super-fun.

DJI, Thursday, 14 October 2021 21:53 (six days ago) link

have nothing but indifference/contempt for the mcu but i will see the hawkguy thing

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 October 2021 22:07 (six days ago) link

Brad, have you ever read the Fraction/Aja Hawkeye run? It is, with no exaggeration, one of my favorite comic book storylines ever and is the only thing I've ever read that has made me care about Hawkeye as a character.

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Thursday, 14 October 2021 23:32 (six days ago) link

It’s cool how they even use the lettering from the series (for the logo, etc.)

Also cool that Linda Cardellini is in the cast

juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 02:56 (five days ago) link

(The “blaring Xmas music over chaos” thing still feels like a hella cliche to me, but I know it’s just a trailer)

juristic person (morrisp), Friday, 15 October 2021 02:58 (five days ago) link

it looks great

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 15 October 2021 03:04 (five days ago) link

Brad, have you ever read the Fraction/Aja Hawkeye run? It is, with no exaggeration, one of my favorite comic book storylines ever and is the only thing I've ever read that has made me care about Hawkeye as a character.

― talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Thursday, October 14, 2021 4:32 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i have and because of it i would do literally anything for matt fraction

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 15 October 2021 03:21 (five days ago) link

including watching an mcu movie clearly referencing the run he wrote

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 15 October 2021 03:21 (five days ago) link

series*

sorry i keep assuming it’s a movie

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Friday, 15 October 2021 03:23 (five days ago) link

Also cool that Linda Cardellini is in the cast

Same, but I’m a little worried it’s only going to be archival footage from Endgame, since it also lists Ava Russo as Clint’s daughter and, afaict, that’s pretty much the only acting she’s done. But, hey, would also love to be surprised with more screen time for Cardellini and happy she’s getting a check from this either way.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 15 October 2021 05:41 (five days ago) link

I just grabbed the collected Hawkeye volume 1 via my public library's book-readin' app. I never really cared about the character at all, and have a strong aversion to Jeremy Renner for some reason but I'm intrigued.

Two weeks ago I went over the bars on my bike and broke two ribs; I watched Black Widow last week, and my injury made me realize the ridiculousness of people falling off buildings and hitting every awning on the way down or getting hit by cars and just walking away. So I kind of love that Hawkeye ends up hospitalized on the third page.

joygoat, Friday, 15 October 2021 14:09 (five days ago) link

A big fat trade of the complete Fraction run is coming out in a couple weeks, fyi y'all.

Donald Fhtagen (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 October 2021 14:20 (five days ago) link

I think I might be missing one early issue? Regardless, I will buy this

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Friday, 15 October 2021 15:52 (five days ago) link

My Fraction Hawkeye run (and my Saga run!) was just destroyed in a flood so I will also buy that!

(Also my 1963 run - meh)

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 15 October 2021 17:28 (five days ago) link

oh man, that sucks Chuck

Nhex, Monday, 18 October 2021 01:28 (two days ago) link

OL, where did you see the announcement re: the Hawkeye trade? All I am turning up is the old omnibus.

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:28 (two days ago) link

Naturally there doesn't seem to be any official announcement on Marvel's own site, but all of the online booksellers have it up for preorder. It's subtitled 'The Saga of Barton and Bishop' (and is presumably just a softcover repackaging of the omnibus).

Gimme some skin! Because I don't have any skin. (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 October 2021 13:38 (two days ago) link

its weird - a lot of my usual sellers don't have it, but others do. hope this doesn't mean it got delayed or something
also gonna go for the Aja direct market cover over the Ross. Ross' cover isn't bad but I generally prefer the interior artist's cover for collections

Nhex, Monday, 18 October 2021 13:56 (two days ago) link

Nhex, where are you seeing the Aja cover version?

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:21 (two days ago) link

There's one here, but it's not on Amazon.

https://www.midtowncomics.com/product/2027460

Not Alex Ross fan, although his Immortal Hulk covers have been terrific. His Hawkeye cover is kinda dull, dorky and out-of-character for the contents, though. Weird choice - feels like the Aja cover would be a lot more attractive for a new audience.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 18 October 2021 14:30 (two days ago) link

Marvel is doing a lot more DM-exclusive covers these days, I notice. Glad I ordered when it was first solicited, I guess.

Gimme some skin! Because I don't have any skin. (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 October 2021 14:43 (two days ago) link

I think the Ross cover is kind of cool (though it doesn't fit the material), and Aja's cover(s) kinda boring (tho his art in the book itself is great).

juristic person (morrisp), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:09 (two days ago) link

I like both a lot but I just preordered the Aja cover

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Monday, 18 October 2021 15:10 (two days ago) link

MCU slate sliding.

2022 delays are
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness – Delayed from March 25, 2022 to May 6, 2022
Thor: Love and Thunder - Delayed from May 6, 2022 to July 8, 2022
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - Delayed from July 8, 2022 to November 11, 2022

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 18 October 2021 18:10 (two days ago) link

I guess "Eternals" just had its premiere, and the usual hyperbolic quotes from randos are making the rounds. "Your MIND will be BLOWN AWAY! There will only be TWO types of Eternals audiences, those who think it is AWESOME and those that KNOW it is." Etc. But I did see more than one comparison to the DC movies ... as a good thing. So ... whatevs.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 October 2021 18:34 (yesterday) link

I mean, if the comparison is "successfully evokes the weight and gravitas aimed for by the DC movies that the latter fail to consistently achieve" I don't see why that would be a de facto bad comparison

talkin' about his flat tire (DJP), Tuesday, 19 October 2021 18:45 (yesterday) link

They better have that Kirby Krackle

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:30 (eighteen hours ago) link

The Eternals clip that went around Twitter the other day (fighting on a beach) looked like crap.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 20 October 2021 01:40 (eighteen hours ago) link

This is cute

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CVOqQXOtIvo

Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 14:34 (five hours ago) link


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