Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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Poll Closing Date: Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:00 (in 1 year)

Setting the poll end date for a few weeks after the current premiere date (25 March 2022) of Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Let the results spur the postmortem. Current plans: six feature films and eight Disney+ tv shows.

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(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:48 (six months ago) link

'I could have just avoided the thread altogether but because clicking through to spray the room down with needless haterade is an addiction akin to the most raging of junk habits, allow me to just state for the 457,017,381st time that the MCU is the nadir of Western culture.'

There, I saved some of you some time if you know how to copy + paste.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:03 (six months ago) link

Crazy to think we're now 15 months and counting with no new MCU (unless you count the final season of Agents of SHIELD, which even I don't anymore).

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:06 (six months ago) link

the Helstrom TV show started on Hulu this week

which apparently sort of counts

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:12 (six months ago) link

Oh. Well, that was a stealth-ass debut.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (six months ago) link

it looks, and by all accounts is, absolutely terrible

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (six months ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

anyway, dud

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:20 (six months ago) link

Simon, I left you a present upthread. Please use it in good health.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:25 (six months ago) link

you forgot "fascist"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:26 (six months ago) link

Sorry, I very quickly fell asleep, what was that you were saying?

ANNNNNNYway.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:29 (six months ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

new board descrip pls

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:31 (six months ago) link

Glad this thread is here to get you to stop social distancing, bg! Adopt herd immunity!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:37 (six months ago) link

work on yr nerd immunity imo

ok ok I'm actually done for now enjoy folks

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:42 (six months ago) link

Gentlemen you can’t needlessly rehash something for the 457,017,381st time in here, this is the marvel cinematic universe phase 4 and beyond thread

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:51 (six months ago) link

Looool

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 (six months ago) link

Did u know that if your eyes roll with enough force that they can actually detach from their stalks and fly out u face? I wish I hadn't had to discover that first-hand just this very moment. Dang.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:55 (six months ago) link

is this the thread where we can talk about andrew garfield and tobey maguire maybe appearing as spider-men in the third tom holland spider-man movie? because i can't be fucked looking to see if it's been mentioned elsewhere

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:09 (six months ago) link

Hadn't read that. I did read that Jamie Foxx will be playing Electro again, which certainly suggests some multiversal fuckery.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:11 (six months ago) link

I liked the look of Jamie Foxx's Electro, while hating the electric eel origin / Max Dillon as social misfit portrayal. Andrew and Tobey were good, before we knew Marvel could do better. I've compartmentalized Sony's properties from the MCU, so the last two Spider-Man have far exceeded expectations.

Phase 4, most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone. Expecting to be most surprised by Eternals. If/as the movies go cosmic/magical/horror, looking forward to how they ground them.

Beyond - FF and X-Men. About damn time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:49 (six months ago) link

Are we allowing MCU television in these threads as well? Cuz it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:08 (six months ago) link

most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone.

Yeah the credits are going to say "based on the character created by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin" and I'm going to be sad because it's not "based on the character in that holy-shit awesome run by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, DUUUUUDE."

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:21 (six months ago) link

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:22 (six months ago) link

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (six months ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (six months ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (six months ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (six months ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (six months ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (six months ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (six months ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (six months ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (six months ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (five months ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (five months ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (five months ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (five months ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (five months ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (five months ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (five months ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (five months ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (five months ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (five months ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (five months ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (five months ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (five months ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (five months ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (five months ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (five months ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (five months ago) link

Oh my gawwwwd, it's like talking to Drax (a character featured in such films as Guardians of the Galaxy and Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2).

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Sunday, 9 May 2021 11:58 (one week ago) link

Can I axe you people something? Why is Spider-man even called Spider-man? I get that he was bit by a radioactive spider, but his only powers or features that have anything to do with spiders (the web shooters) also have nothing to do with being bit, they're just tech devices that anyone could use. But his other powers - like sticking to walls, his so-called "spider-sense" (aka a heightened nervous response, agility, strength, etc. - are not unique to spiders. Whereas some of the things that *are* unique to spiders, like eight legs, or sucking the life out of prey, or poison or whatever, are *not* powers he has. I mean, Ant-man can shrink to the size of an ant and talk to ants, the Falcon has wings, Dr. Oc has multiple arms, Rhino dresses like a rhino, and so on, they're all pretty literal minded. But Spider-man? It's a pretty confusing moniker. They should probably change it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 19:40 (one week ago) link

Josh.

Nhex, Monday, 10 May 2021 19:47 (one week ago) link

why isn't Ant-Man called Gecko-Man at moments when he has only shrunk to the size of a gecko

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 19:49 (one week ago) link

Maybe he's just been different sizes of geckos all along. Also, he can't stick to things like geckos.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 19:50 (one week ago) link

But, like, if Ant-Man developed tech that let him stick to things, then sure, he could be Gecko-Man.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/40/Gordon_Gekko.jpg/220px-Gordon_Gekko.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 19:51 (one week ago) link

Josh.

― Nhex, Monday, May 10, 2021 2:47 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I lolled.

He's Spider-Man because his spider-centric powers were triggered by a bite from a radioactive spider. For a more detailed explanation, consult the works of J. Michael Straczynski but don't say that you weren't warned. Once you come across the term 'spider totem' you might not be able to crawl back out of the rabbit hole.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 May 2021 19:59 (one week ago) link

But he doesn't really have any spider-centric powers! He has kind of generic bug/insect powers, but the only really spider-y thing about him is the web slingers, and those did not come from the spider bite.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 20:06 (one week ago) link

Has there ever been a Spider-man that wrapped baddies up in webs and then drained the life out of them with their fangs? There should be.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 20:07 (one week ago) link

I think some of the movies actually had him generating webs from his body, from (I guess) glands on his wrists.

DJI, Monday, 10 May 2021 20:43 (one week ago) link

I mean, when you think about it, how "incredible" really is the Hulk after all? Wouldn't you say he's more "grotesque", in the "comically distorted" meaning?

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 10 May 2021 20:45 (one week ago) link

Man-Spider is the guy you're looking for Josh

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/8/8f/Man-Spider.png

Number None, Monday, 10 May 2021 20:48 (one week ago) link

lol imagine if Man-Spider was a hero (assuming it wasn't)

xpost The Incredulous Hulk.

xxpost That does ring a bell, maybe in the Raimi movies?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 20:50 (one week ago) link

iron man is never seen pressing a shirt, wtf is goin on

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 May 2021 20:53 (one week ago) link

The Raimi movies did make that valuable correction, yes (and also had an alarmed teenage Spidey learning about his body changing by uncontrollably jizzing white ropes of webbing all over his bedroom)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 20:56 (one week ago) link

The Thing is rarely seen as loving, and is far more frequently dour or violent

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 20:57 (one week ago) link

Josh, look up "Spiders-Man"

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 10 May 2021 20:59 (one week ago) link

is this now a w33d thread

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 May 2021 21:10 (one week ago) link

w33d man & wasp

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 May 2021 21:13 (one week ago) link

Stephen Strange continuing to refer to himself as a doctor is, at best, misleading

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 May 2021 21:29 (one week ago) link

black panther does not hunt prey nocturnally nor does he sleep in a tree wtf

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 10 May 2021 21:31 (one week ago) link

Captain America reports to Major America

rob, Monday, 10 May 2021 21:37 (one week ago) link

The Wasp is, in fact, Catholic

rob, Monday, 10 May 2021 21:38 (one week ago) link

Why is the Vision not just called the Five Senses, what, is his tongue broken

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 May 2021 22:07 (one week ago) link

Vizzie Gillespie

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 May 2021 22:07 (one week ago) link

xpost are you (someone up there) suggesting that Dr Strange hasn't renewed his medical license, and should therefore be stripped of his title? I mean, he's a trained doctor! If someone asked for a doctor on a flight should he stay silent?!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 22:32 (one week ago) link

Holy shit, Spiders-Man is incredible. If you think about it, that's kind of an instance of spiders being given the powers (shape?) of a *man*, the reverse Spider-Man.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 22:35 (one week ago) link

Stephen is very proud of his Masters degree in the mystic arts iirc

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 22:40 (one week ago) link

I thought Spiders-Man would be how Gruber says Spidermans.

DJI, Monday, 10 May 2021 23:13 (one week ago) link

His doctorate, surely. His dissertation was "Does Dormammu Shave? Grooming as an Indicator of Malevolence Among Demigod-Level Entities."

xp

In my house are many Manchins (WmC), Monday, 10 May 2021 23:13 (one week ago) link

why does he use the title Master of the Mystic Arts then? category fraud. tell the HFPA that we're cancelling next year's Agamotton Orbs ceremony.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 10 May 2021 23:27 (one week ago) link

yeah sorry wmc u walked into that one. says master of arts right there on the tin.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 May 2021 23:53 (one week ago) link

So he spent all that time at medical school, but he stopped magic school when he got his masters? No doctorate in mystic arts?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 May 2021 23:57 (one week ago) link

black panther does not hunt prey nocturnally nor does he sleep in a tree wtf

does a panther shit in the woods tho

https://i.imgur.com/3r8TMtp.jpg

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 11 May 2021 00:25 (one week ago) link

It’s mostly places in Europe where you can get doctoral degrees in mystic arts, but he could get one in mystic arts history or administration

joygoat, Tuesday, 11 May 2021 14:20 (one week ago) link

So was looking for an old post of mine from ILM and found this, New Mavel films which may have been the first post on ILX re the MCU

obviously I misspelled Marvel, but was interested to see the initially planned/announced films such as Shang-Chi (which obv has ended up being what 15, 20 movies on?)

H in Addis, Saturday, 15 May 2021 19:50 (three days ago) link

Ya gotta start somewhere!

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 May 2021 20:54 (three days ago) link

Power Pack destined to get a gritty reboot, I tell ya.

Nhex, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:35 (three days ago) link

There have been reports that the delays in making non-white-male films were significantly due to Mar-A-Lago’s beloved uncle Ike.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:44 (three days ago) link

Hmm, I wouldn’t be surprised

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:45 (three days ago) link

Oh, those are all going to suck.
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, September 6, 2005 1:46 PM (fifteen years ago)

Draymond is "Mr Dumpy" (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 15 May 2021 22:42 (three days ago) link

I mean

intern at pelican brief consulting (Simon H.), Saturday, 15 May 2021 23:55 (three days ago) link

I trust that review but only insofar as his descriptions of the show are accurate representations of just how not funny it is.

The fact that this was actually made by the Robot Chicken animation studio kinda seals the deal for me to the extent that the deal wasn't already pretty much sealed.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:27 (yesterday) link

I find a lot of Robot Chicken funny but most of it is due to Seth Green afaict

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:58 (yesterday) link

Ant Man!!!!

Man, they are gonna have a hard time turning this stuff into something interesting...

― iodine (iodine), Tuesday, September 6, 2005 11:13 PM (fifteen years ago)

they should do Nick Fury like he is in the ultimate x-men comics (actually that's all i really know him by)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, September 7, 2005 1:52 AM (fifteen years ago)

If they keep the tone of Brubaker's Captain America, I'll be down.
(...)
the Avengers - Oh fuck off. This movie will never be made, and shame on them for pretending it might be.
Black Panther - FROM THE DIRECTOR OF HOUSE PARTY 2!
Ant-Man - Only if it's a remake of Inner Space.
(...)

― Huk-L Has Spoken. (Huk-L), Wednesday, September 7, 2005 2:47 AM (fifteen years ago)

From the director of Rocky 7

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:48 (yesterday) link

it's kind of hilarious how wildly wrong that thread was about how these movies would be received

80's hair metal , and good praise music ! (DJP), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:49 (yesterday) link

deleted scene of wanda and agatha fighting in the finale #MTVAwards #WandaVision pic.twitter.com/ZBc6eBJvkK

— ken (@wandaslizzie) May 17, 2021

Nhex, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:06 (one hour ago) link

xpost It's easy to forget that most pre-MCU Marvel movies were garbage. I certainly assumed the MCU would follow suit.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:39 (forty-nine minutes ago) link


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