Marvel Cinematic Universe, Phase 4 & Beyond (and a chance to change your vote)

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Setting the poll end date for a few weeks after the current premiere date (25 March 2022) of Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness. Let the results spur the postmortem. Current plans: six feature films and eight Disney+ tv shows.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Please stop asking me to have an opinion about this 86
Dud 62
Classic 25
Mixed Bag 25
It started out one thing and became another 7
Other 6


(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 11:48 (one year ago) link

'I could have just avoided the thread altogether but because clicking through to spray the room down with needless haterade is an addiction akin to the most raging of junk habits, allow me to just state for the 457,017,381st time that the MCU is the nadir of Western culture.'

There, I saved some of you some time if you know how to copy + paste.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:03 (one year ago) link

Crazy to think we're now 15 months and counting with no new MCU (unless you count the final season of Agents of SHIELD, which even I don't anymore).

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:06 (one year ago) link

the Helstrom TV show started on Hulu this week

which apparently sort of counts

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:12 (one year ago) link

Oh. Well, that was a stealth-ass debut.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (one year ago) link

it looks, and by all accounts is, absolutely terrible

Number None, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:16 (one year ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

anyway, dud

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:20 (one year ago) link

Simon, I left you a present upthread. Please use it in good health.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:25 (one year ago) link

you forgot "fascist"

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:26 (one year ago) link

Sorry, I very quickly fell asleep, what was that you were saying?

ANNNNNNYway.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:29 (one year ago) link

I could have avoided the thread but it's fun to talk shit about garbage every once in a while

new board descrip pls

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:31 (one year ago) link

Glad this thread is here to get you to stop social distancing, bg! Adopt herd immunity!

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:37 (one year ago) link

work on yr nerd immunity imo

ok ok I'm actually done for now enjoy folks

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:42 (one year ago) link

Gentlemen you can’t needlessly rehash something for the 457,017,381st time in here, this is the marvel cinematic universe phase 4 and beyond thread

Gab B. Nebsit (wins), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:51 (one year ago) link

Looool

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:54 (one year ago) link

Did u know that if your eyes roll with enough force that they can actually detach from their stalks and fly out u face? I wish I hadn't had to discover that first-hand just this very moment. Dang.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 12:55 (one year ago) link

is this the thread where we can talk about andrew garfield and tobey maguire maybe appearing as spider-men in the third tom holland spider-man movie? because i can't be fucked looking to see if it's been mentioned elsewhere

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:09 (one year ago) link

Hadn't read that. I did read that Jamie Foxx will be playing Electro again, which certainly suggests some multiversal fuckery.

OrificeMax (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:11 (one year ago) link

I liked the look of Jamie Foxx's Electro, while hating the electric eel origin / Max Dillon as social misfit portrayal. Andrew and Tobey were good, before we knew Marvel could do better. I've compartmentalized Sony's properties from the MCU, so the last two Spider-Man have far exceeded expectations.

Phase 4, most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone. Expecting to be most surprised by Eternals. If/as the movies go cosmic/magical/horror, looking forward to how they ground them.

Beyond - FF and X-Men. About damn time.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 13:49 (one year ago) link

Are we allowing MCU television in these threads as well? Cuz it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:08 (one year ago) link

most looking forward to Shang-Chi, and hoping they nail the Paul Gulacy visual tone.

Yeah the credits are going to say "based on the character created by Steve Englehart and Jim Starlin" and I'm going to be sad because it's not "based on the character in that holy-shit awesome run by Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy, DUUUUUDE."

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:21 (one year ago) link

Pretty sure I first "heard" "Rhiannon" thanks to Master of Kung Fu.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:22 (one year ago) link

So much character fleshing-out that was lovable but verged on dumb...Black Jack Tarr becoming a big Frank Frazetta fan, lol. (This might have been in the Mike Zeck or Gene Day days, can't remember.)

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:26 (one year ago) link

okay lol @ "nerd immunity"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:27 (one year ago) link

it looks like the Maslany She-Hulk was just a rumor that she debunked in a recent interview, sadly.

I don't know, I smell a rat. Kind of like when Taika denied he was making a Star Wars movie and then was all, psych, I'm making a Star Wars movie.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:31 (one year ago) link

I assume she's still negotiating her contract, and Ruffalo's tweet improved her payday/terms.

(show hidden tics) (WmC), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 14:35 (one year ago) link

Oh I hope it's a feint, makes sense since she called it a "press release that got out of hand", which doesn't come across as quite the strong denial the article I read implied. I'm still hopeful she shows up in it.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 16:28 (one year ago) link

maybe she plays jennifer and somebody else plays she hulk? and she plays "the voice in her head"? it's a weird bit of pr thus far.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 20 October 2020 17:21 (one year ago) link

Just negotiating phase/tactics. Though I'd love to see his take on the character.

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 20:44 (one year ago) link

it's a meaty fuckin' role!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:45 (one year ago) link

lol oscar isaac hated working for disney so much during Star Wars, wonder what kind of sweetheart deal they’re offering him for this

you are like a scampicane, there's calm in your fries (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 26 October 2020 20:49 (one year ago) link

Well, much like Finn his role got worse and worse as the series went on, so I don't blame him

Nhex, Monday, 26 October 2020 21:03 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

Is this the right thread for this(?) Kate Bishop on-set images have surfaced: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/tv/marvel/hawkeye/hawkeye-set-video-gives-us-a-much-better-look-at-hailee-steinfeld-and-jeremy-renner-a180551#gs.mgnaf1

wet tip hen ax (egg drop mix) (morrisp), Wednesday, 2 December 2020 23:43 (one year ago) link

The casting announcements for Spider-Man 3 make it really look like they are just going to repeat the multiverse thing that worked so well in Into the Spider-Verse with a live action version. Even for the MCU this seems really lazy. Happy to be proven wrong, but I really liked watching the first two with my son and this makes me way less excited for a third one.

I mean, given the Dr. Strange sequel’s subtitle, the multiverse was already long planned, but this seems like a questionable move.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:03 (one year ago) link

Even for the MCU this seems really lazy.

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:36 (one year ago) link

A bunch more Kate Bishop set pics circulating today; Steinfeld looks like a great casting choice.

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 06:51 (one year ago) link

Just misread that as 'Seinfeld' and I'm still laughing from that mental image.

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 12:11 (one year ago) link

McKenna was nominated for both an Emmy and a Hugo, for writing a multiverse story, seven years before Spider-Verse came out tbfttl

Oh I don't have any issue with McKenna and, again, this is total speculation just based on the casting, it's more just surprise that they'd use the Spider-Man film to redo the Spider-verse think so soon again.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:34 (one year ago) link

It may be wise to speculate with caution, as you may recall that a lot of the pre-release assumptions about the last Spidey flick were upended (ie the thing about Mysterio dropping in from a different earth).

You will notice a small sink where your sofa once was. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:42 (one year ago) link

they'll need to add more Spiders-Man and Girls if they're going to sorta hit the key diversity theme

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:54 (one year ago) link

Maybe this is Mysterio running the same scam again. Maybe every future Marvel movie will end by revealing that actually it was Mysterio.

Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 14:55 (one year ago) link

iirc doesn't Mysterio make that multiverse claim himself in the movie, as part of his ruse? Between the timeline resolution of the Avengers, Spider-verse and Dr. Strange title, and possibly what they hinted at with the Vision/Witch show, they're definitely leaning in to this. Someone versed in the comics could maybe make a good guess as to the overarching plot or big bad. I have no idea. Does Captain Marvel 2 have a title or casting? They've hinted at introducing Adam Warlock a few times now, I think. Certainly a multiverse scenario could allow, say, the Fantastic Four to just pop in as a deus ex reboot at the end of a movie. Lots of ways Marvel can go, assuming they even want another giant overarching crossover scenario.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:08 (one year ago) link

Yeah, I have no issue with the multiverse idea and that's clearly where we are heading, I was just saying that it seems kinda lazy to launch into it with a do-over of the multiple Spider-Men thing. Especially since the Spider-Man flick is slated before the Dr. Strange sequel, which will obviously lean heavily into the multiverse too.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:13 (one year ago) link

I just have no idea why they'd want to maintain any association with the awful Andrew Garfield movies

Number None, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:26 (one year ago) link

there's (un)surprisingly a small, vocal fanbase online who grew up with and liked those movies

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:43 (one year ago) link

i can't lie though - i am excited to see all those jabronis in one big battle royale. even the characters who died! let's get Topher Grace in there while we're at it

Nhex, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 15:44 (one year ago) link

hoping they insert Mulaney's Spider-Ham Who-Framed-Roger-Rabbit-style

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:17 (one year ago) link

It could be cool if they do it right.

It’s kind of funny that a generation will grow up thinking of multiple Spideys as a basic “Spider-Man” feature, when for most of Marvel’s history, there was only one Parker, he was a very singular hero... even while there were a few different Caps, Thors, Captain Marvels, etc. (I’m talking back in the ’80s, long before there were a zillion versions of every character.)

good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:21 (one year ago) link

I mean, a generation already has grown up thinking multiple Spideys are a basic Spider-Man feature; Ben Reilly, although created in the 70s, came into his own circa 1994.

DJP, Wednesday, 9 December 2020 16:29 (one year ago) link

Hopefully the CGI will be better in the actual show?

I haven't watched a single Marvel series but I have a thing for strong tall women so I will probably try this one.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 15:12 (one month ago) link

ruffalo’s hulk has always looked fake as shit imo

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 16:06 (one month ago) link

Having seen (and enjoyed) Moon Knight i would doubt the CGI gets better

While I am not a She-Hulk scholar, I’ve read some of the comics, and these criticisms were surprising to me:

Since her introduction in The Savage She-Hulk #1 in the 1980s, Jennifer Walters has been a frustrating character for a lot of comic readers because she is surrounded by regressive stereotypes. While Bruce Banner becomes a massive, mostly terrifying, green monster when he hulks out, Jennifer transforms into a sexy 6’7” muscular green lady that is almost always drawn in perverse, sexualized poses. Most of her comic runs feature her half-dressed, shielding her naked body with a newspaper, or bikini-clad on the covers. She often looks like the nighttime fantasies of a particular subset of comic book readers. Like most of the women in Marvel Comics, she has also been romantically linked with a long list of partners, and even referred to as “sloppy seconds” when torn between prominent Marvel characters. The She-Hulk trailer doesn’t seem to shy away from that, unfortunately, they just repackage it in slightly more appealing ways.

Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Friday, 20 May 2022 04:14 (one month ago) link

John Byrne is kind of villain

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 20 May 2022 14:55 (one month ago) link

excited for the results of this poll

rob, Friday, 20 May 2022 15:04 (one month ago) link

Roffle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Go8nTmfrQd8

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 14:38 (one month ago) link

Hardly a new innovation but I do appreciate how this poster design is clearly meant to be seen, slightly scuffed around the edge, via a plastic security case surrounding the VHS it's on back in 1986.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/c_fit,f_auto,g_center,pg_1,q_60,w_965/5798f0f9f87c060750e2ca49f1885248.jpg

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 May 2022 14:59 (one month ago) link

Gwar show looking good

i saw the preview for thor love and thunder today and it got me thinking about how the existence of the norse gods in canon in the marvel cinematic universe. so then does everyone on earth worship the norse gods? and if not, why not? like if you know thor actually exists, why are you still worshiping the christian god or allah or whoever else? i assume this has been discussed ad nauseum but i am not a comic book person, sorry.

na (NA), Sunday, 29 May 2022 22:38 (one month ago) link

At the end of "The Eternals" there is a giant cosmic space god that appears hovering over earth, you'd think that would raise a few questions among the faithful, too.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 29 May 2022 23:46 (one month ago) link

xp I don’t know about the MCU, or how things may have changed in the regular Marvel Universe over time… but the original (1983) Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe entry for Thor says, “Identity: Publicly known, although the general public of earth does not believe him to be the god that was worshiped by the Vikings.”

subject matter expert (morrisp), Monday, 30 May 2022 02:12 (one month ago) link

(similarly, the entry for Sif, from the Deluxe Edition published a few years later (which I grabbed at random) — “Identity: Publicly known on Asgard and on Earth, although the general populace of Earth tends not to believe she is a goddess”

so I think most Earthlings in the Marvel universe don’t know that the Norse or Hellenic gods are “real”)

subject matter expert (morrisp), Monday, 30 May 2022 02:17 (one month ago) link

(although interestingly, the OG entry for Hercules just says, “Identity: publicly known”)

subject matter expert (morrisp), Monday, 30 May 2022 02:19 (one month ago) link

the comics kind of establish there are groups that do worship particular gods, or act cult-like at times, but since there are multiple pantheons of gods that are apparently real (norse, greek, roman, egyptian, +++) it’s just like “oh these are real but since we see them they’re just like, lesser gods or mythical superheroes”

some of the comics occasionally imply that the “real god(s)” worshipped by modern people exist, and they’re on an unseen higher plane of existence, but these are also comics who have cosmic entities so lol

mh, Monday, 30 May 2022 15:13 (one month ago) link

Yeah, Marvel has an entire cosmology of god-entities

subject matter expert (morrisp), Monday, 30 May 2022 15:37 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 00:01 (one month ago) link

thanks all for making the effort to explain the theology of marvel to me, i genuinely find this kind of stuff (the implications of epic world-building on the lives of the normal people in that world) really interesting (honestly, more interesting than the epic parts of the story)

na (NA), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 13:43 (one month ago) link

I also find that interesting, and would like to see stories dealing with the inevitable PTSD the average New Yorker has what with frequent alien invasions and randomly getting snapped out of existence

I am using your worlds, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 16:26 (one month ago) link

There were posters advertising a post-Snap PTSD hotline in one of those Spider-Man movies. Marvel should do a series with, like, a psychiatrist helping ppl out.

subject matter expert (morrisp), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:42 (one month ago) link

I mean, there was a whole scene with Steve Rogers in a support group for survivors of the snap.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:45 (one month ago) link

Damage Control but for PTSD

mh, Tuesday, 31 May 2022 17:54 (one month ago) link

And Tony Stark was having panic attacks after the first Avengers movie

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:01 (one month ago) link

lol

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:02 (one month ago) link

I promise never to start another MCU thread.

WmC, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 00:06 (one month ago) link

The Thor trailer is pretty good, but not enough Jane (IMO). Also, it doesn’t seem to really capture the depths of Odinson’s “unworthiness,” but I guess we’ll see how they treat that.

subject matter expert (morrisp), Friday, 3 June 2022 06:04 (one month ago) link

First episode of Ms Marvel out tomorrow

groovypanda, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 08:10 (three weeks ago) link

Super late on this, but finally saw Dr. Strange. Absolutely loved it, so much fun. The first 20 minutes or so kinda dragged and had me nervous, but it really took off from there. Raimi did a great job mixing the visuals, horror and campiness (particularly loved the Fantasia nod and the Raimi-verse cameo). It was fun enough to overcome the shoehorning in of references to most of the Disney TV shows.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:06 (three weeks ago) link

loved multiverse of madness for the most part even though the script/plot seem worse and worse from a distance. give me necromancy and eyeballs popping out of sockets and my standards lower accordingly

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:09 (three weeks ago) link

^^ otm

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:10 (three weeks ago) link

i've aggressively tried to ignore every marvel property over the past five-six years but pretty much every major character came off like they'd been written into a corner, not just wanda (though especially wanda)

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:16 (three weeks ago) link

Loved Ms Marvel. So much fun and some genuine irl lol moments.

Really like how they use the TV shows to try things they probably couldn't do in the movies.

groovypanda, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 19:44 (three weeks ago) link

I enjoyed the continual cartoons.
& liked the fact that this was a high school age muslin girl from a pakistani background. For ages I wondered if there were any US population from the subcontinent since they seemed to get absolutely zero coverage. I was actually thinking nobody from that background there when I was a teen, surprised i hadn't met any there when visiting my UN dad. Though maybe him being Kenyan was significant. Now have heard about historic discrimination against what would then be Indian populations dating back to the 19th century in US & Canada. & popular tv appearance has grown over last couple of decades. Still pretty marginal from what current US tv I see but there actually are characters appearing from the various countries around the area that didn't seem to be represented at all before.

I enjoyed this and want more as soon as the episode ends so have to wait til next week . Need to work out how she got to become a Ms Marvel if Carol Danvers exists or is she off on the far side of the universe.
This was fun.

Looking forward to seeing what they did with She Hulk cos I do enjoy Tatiana Maslany.

Stevolende, Thursday, 9 June 2022 10:50 (three weeks ago) link

Now got to think. is the family overly stereotyped. Are these character types overly white gaze. Is the comic and the tv series both written by somebody from a background with the right gaze. Appears to be , so hope it doesn't come across as overly catering to misunderstamdomg amd hope they keep the balance right.

Seemed to be handled quite well I thought but is that from an external gaze.

I was just thinking there was a cliche in the States that people would continually ask black English people to stop putting on the accent. Think this was because there was little UK fictional tv with black characters before a certain point too. So not sure if I was just not seeing Indian characters on US tv that wasn't getting to the UK

Stevolende, Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:13 (three weeks ago) link

This is India-specific, but there's an infographic here:
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/indian-immigrants-united-states-2019

mh, Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:56 (three weeks ago) link

ok that's interesting. My teens would be between 1980 and 1990 so I wasn't as wrong at the time as much as i had assumed. THought it was just deep under representation connected to racism but it was minority population due to the same. LIke I know there was some population around for a long time but seems like they clamped down on brown people who didn't come in as their supposed commodity. Not great legacy, hope tehy are flourishing now.

Stevolende, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:22 (three weeks ago) link

Now got to think. is the family overly stereotyped. Are these character types overly white gaze.

not pakistani or american, but this western-educated muslim girl thought the depiction of the khans felt fairly authentic - Quranic verses as home decor is v real, and so is having that one sibling who is super religious but pretty cool at the same time

really liked this - thought the pacing felt a bit weird/rushed, but it worked with all the gimmicky camerawork and animated background visuals

Roz, Friday, 10 June 2022 04:25 (three weeks ago) link

Giddy fun, I’d say, with many resonances that others would feel more deeply than I ever could.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 June 2022 05:18 (three weeks ago) link

I wondered if there were any US population from the subcontinent

I have a weird view of this because I grew up in an extremely white town where essentially the only POC were the children of local doctors and faculty / grad students at the university and most of them were Indian / Pakistani / Sri Lankan. Like the only non-white kids in my grade consistently from kindergarten through 12th grade had parents who immigrated from india, and I know way more about hinduism than judaism, for example, because the one jewish kid moved away in 3rd grade.

joygoat, Friday, 10 June 2022 16:23 (three weeks ago) link

Watched the first episode with my kids… I thought it was pretty good, and some of the touches were creative. As with Hawkeye, the acting felt like a weak point to me (I guess Marvel doesn’t focus on that too much) – her parents were good, though.

Bonus “Trust A Bro” truck sighting in the end credits…

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Saturday, 11 June 2022 21:54 (three weeks ago) link

Is the white kid in MsM canonical

Like, from the comic? Bruno is a character, yeah

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Friday, 17 June 2022 04:01 (two weeks ago) link

(he’s different there, but so is Kamala)

Creature Catcher (Live) (morrisp), Friday, 17 June 2022 04:01 (two weeks ago) link

Ty. I want the character to go away and focus on the fun friendship between the female leads is all

a friend who lived with me in Jersey City accurately noted that although there are no noticeable "filmed in Jersey City" shots, the _feel_ of the show is extremely accurate to JC. Fun fact, there's a reference to the street corner i once lived on, though the setting is entirely wrong.

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 06:29 (one week ago) link

Xp Does Marvel/Disney think it needs to have at least one prominent white male character to get that audience?

Hoping people are more enlightened. But is that a factor.
May affect how prominent that character is? Or he may already be a dynamic in the comics, though possibly for a similar reason.
Not sure how things like that work. Are kids still likely to go eurgh it's a girls' /boys' comic so I can't be seen with it. Or it depicts an ethnicity other than WASP white so it'll be marginalised.
Hope not.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 07:21 (one week ago) link

Really hoping that it is becoming less of a thing that one might need to have a white character to get a white audience.

Seems a little archaic and if it was an invented new character inserted to do that a really bad step. |BUt wondered if it was still something deemed necessary by management when the comic book version appeared.

So interesting to see the sidekick being one of the very few white people in the episode this week. Most of the others were in the Men in Black group I think.
Still enjoying this greatly.

Hoping this is the beginning of something longer term for the younger cast. Have no idea what Asian shows are on US tv at the moment outside of this. Or characters in other popular tv beyond Silicon Valley and Master of None etc. Hope things are building from there though. Hoping more roles are going to people of the right ethnicity not white actors in make up or totally different ethnicities who the makers hope the audience won't notice. I'm assuming black characters in this are intentionally black.

Stevolende, Thursday, 23 June 2022 11:32 (one week ago) link

Thought it was interesting Disney used MIA a few eps ago

Gosh the latest episode was so good. Could have just been a hang with the Karachi family episode alone and I would have loved it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 30 June 2022 06:13 (three days ago) link


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