Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

http://media.rapnewsdirect.com/CDCovers/Joe_Budden/Joe_Budden/t.300.default.jpg

Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link

Matthew Yglesias can go fuck a duck

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2020 03:34 (two days ago) link

It's true he completely ignored the many left wing people who have no preference at all between Trump and Biden.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 March 2020 03:36 (two days ago) link

? pic.twitter.com/gm8oEuSZYr

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) March 30, 2020

Sure to get the ILXors who were rending their garments about BernieBros in a tizzy.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, 30 March 2020 04:34 (two days ago) link

@pat1944

silby, Monday, 30 March 2020 04:37 (two days ago) link

(Aimless checks his garments, finds them intact, breathes sigh of relief.)

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 March 2020 04:50 (two days ago) link

More horror scenes from New York City hospitals where employers are acting like generals sending their medical troops into harm's way. https://t.co/rYGqQjRTkJ pic.twitter.com/fMDHK0G9q3

— Daniel Marans (@danielmarans) March 30, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:57 (two days ago) link

Grown-ups: b-but judges!!

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 March 2020 18:58 (two days ago) link

spoke to a close friend last night who is emergency room doctor in Jersey City and believes he's had the virus for the last couple of weeks—dry cough low fever etc.

according to him the situation is such that everybody working there just assumes they already have it or will anyway, and newly admitted patients are almost exclsuively the infected, so....

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:08 (two days ago) link

An absolutely disgraceful response from a democratic frontrunner at a time 1 Iranian is dying every 10 min as a result of coronavirus. Biden deserves absolute hell for this callous, incoherent, and morally vacuous response in the midst of a pandemic. https://t.co/145KW4zcre pic.twitter.com/CVEzNWfy2I

— Sarah Lazare (@sarahlazare) March 30, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 March 2020 19:25 (two days ago) link

Clear, consistent and well-reasoned.

For those interested, here is @JoeBiden's full answer to @YasminV on opposing single payer health care: pic.twitter.com/gxjTN83NCg

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 30, 2020

Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:20 (two days ago) link

Ageing about as well as his takes.

extremely Dutch coughing sound (gyac), Monday, 30 March 2020 21:22 (two days ago) link

it's just stupid gibberish. the federal government supplying equipment has nothing to do with a single payer system. the single payer system would help in this crisis because millions of people just lost their employer-provided health coverage in the middle of a pandemic

treeship., Monday, 30 March 2020 21:42 (two days ago) link

also this is not the first time biden has been callous about iran.

during that paul ryan debate, he bragged that the obama administration's sanctions on iran were "the strongest sanctions in the history of sanctions."

treeship., Monday, 30 March 2020 21:43 (two days ago) link

yeah, all these news items about exceptions for the coronavirus, how the federal government will step in and cover the testing costs, how Cigna and a couple other insurance companies are taking the unprecedented step of stepping in to cover treatment costs (because it's the "right thing to do", etc etc), just highlights the endless cases where the federal govt and insurance companies are NOT stepping in to do the right thing for people in dire circumstances facing even more lethal diseases, every single fucking second of every day

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 22:54 (two days ago) link

I appreciate this thread as a terrific place to vent about Joe Biden's awfulness before he earns the nomination and goes against the even worse Donald Trump. Fortunately no one here who lives in the United States has an interest in depressing turnout.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 22:58 (two days ago) link

Joe's depressing enough

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:10 (two days ago) link

So are the male white posters under the delusion that posting the terrible things Biden has done as a Democrat will make him any less a candidate against Trump. Ya just gotta pat them on the heads, even fellow Sanders enthusiasts. Grief has many stages.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:16 (two days ago) link

I’m “voting blue no matter who” myself but if Biden hasn’t earned ppl’s votes then what are you gonna do

crüt, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:19 (two days ago) link

Alfred, this white male poster isn't posting things Biden's done as a Deomcrat because I think it will make him "any less a candidate against a Trump." Is that your belief—,that people pissed off about Joe Biden are posting here to diminish his chances against Trump?

Whatever the case I don't understand why you find the condescension necessary.

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:23 (two days ago) link

Anyway, the enthusiasm gap posted upthread is a real thing. Are we not supposed to lament that?

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:23 (two days ago) link

yeah, i understand what you're saying, alfred, but essentially you're asking kindly for people to withhold their feelings about biden during this election cycle. i understand the reasoning, and you might even succeed to some degree within ilx, but you have your own stages of grief to go through if you think that people aren't going to complain about biden the candidate just as much (if not more than) as clinton the poor 2016 candidate. you can be annoyed by it. you can even infantilize people by patting them on the heads! but the downside of a shitty candidate is that we all have to deal with the consequences of it throughout the year, on the left and right.

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:25 (two days ago) link

hadrian the way you address the enthusiasm gap is to get out there and talk to your friends about how much better biden will be then trump. that's actually the advice. it is logical, you should do it, but yeah, it's a fucking LIFT because of how fucking shitty biden is as a candidate. but don't complain about that until after the election, please (and actually, don't complain after that, because we'll all be exhausted. and don't complain about it in the months after that either, because it will be 2022 mid-term season)

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:26 (two days ago) link

I'm not complaining -- post away! I'm older than many of you. I know Biden's perfidy. I hated him when he had real hair. I screamed when Obama chose him as running mate. I've got the blog trail to prove it.

But we're smart people. We all know what this fool has done. Y'all will convert no one, and to what, exactly?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:28 (two days ago) link

Like, if Hadrian, sic, silby, etc are being Janus-faced about Biden -- yelling here like Yosemite Sam while smiling at Democrats and swing voters as you volunteer for his campaign or shout down someone on social media -- that's cool with me.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:29 (two days ago) link

convert no one (ilx is sanders land, which i enjoy) and won't repel anyone either (ilx is non-republican land, and we better all fucking vote for biden or i'll punch everyone's lights out). i think it barely makes a difference - it's just acknowledging what is actually happening

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:29 (two days ago) link

though i guess taking it onto twitter is a different thing, i agree

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:30 (two days ago) link

yeah, i understand what you're saying, alfred, but essentially you're asking kindly for people to withhold their feelings about biden during this election cycle. i understand the reasoning, and you might even succeed to some degree within ilx, but you have your own stages of grief to go through if you think that people aren't going to complain about biden the candidate just as much (if not more than) as clinton the poor 2016 candidate. you can be annoyed by it. you can even infantilize people by patting them on the heads! but the downside of a shitty candidate is that we all have to deal with the consequences of it throughout the year, on the left and right.

― Karl Malone, Monday, March 30, 2020 7:25 PM

It's funny how it's occurred to no one in this thread that Warren and Sanders -- my preferences -- were the shittier candidates.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:31 (two days ago) link

"while smiling at Democrats and swing voters as you volunteer for his campaign or shout down someone on social media"

lol I don't do any of these things, this place burns me out

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:31 (two days ago) link

If it burns you out to volunteer for the Biden campaign, that's awesome!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:32 (two days ago) link

It's funny how it's occurred to no one in this thread that Warren and Sanders -- my preferences -- were the shittier candidates.

do you mean for the democratic primary or the general election?

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:33 (two days ago) link

if you mean as regards the primary, that seems like an awfully meritocratic thought.

the fact that they lost to joe fucking biden means as much to me as some other rich white guy being a CEO ahead of all the better candidates

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:34 (two days ago) link

I just double checked and Joe Exotic can run for president again from prison.

Yerac, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:34 (two days ago) link

"yes, but he knew how to take advantage of the establishment's centrism, that's politics", etc etc

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:36 (two days ago) link

to me that's similar to "yes, he's another rich white guy running a company, but thats because he knew how to take advantages of his connections, which of course have nothing to do with his race or social station"

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:37 (two days ago) link

It's funny how it's occurred to no one in this thread that Warren and Sanders -- my preferences -- were the shittier candidates.

do you mean for the democratic primary or the general election?

― Karl Malone, Monday, March 30, 2020 7:33 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if you mean as regards the primary, that seems like an awfully meritocratic thought.

the fact that they lost to joe fucking biden means as much to me as some other rich white guy being a CEO ahead of all the better candidates

― Karl Malone, Monday, March 30, 2020 7:34 PM (one minute ago)

They lost the primaries by wide margins, even Sanders, so, yes, they were shitty candidates by default -- a loser's a loser. I take heart that their policies are popular.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:37 (two days ago) link

i guess the difference is that in this case there's a rival CEO that's even worse, and we have to pick between the two

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:38 (two days ago) link

I don't want Donald Trump to be president and will do what my own enthusiasm permits to prevent it from happening. Which pretty much to not campaigning for Donald Trump, either, and crossing my fingers that Biden doesn't shit the bed in WI PA etc.

Again, I live in MA, and I recognize that's a privilege many voters don't have.

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:38 (two days ago) link

pretty much *extends* to

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:39 (two days ago) link

blah blah counterfactuals but I do wonder how Biden would have fared against media constantly challenging him and fueling a narrative about how unrealistic and pie-in-the-sky his plans are given Republican intransigence, the realities of climate change, etc.

JoeStork, Monday, 30 March 2020 23:46 (two days ago) link

Sanders and Warren would've gotten it too under normal times, i.e. non-plague times.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 March 2020 23:56 (two days ago) link

I don’t think people should be dishonest about their feeling for the greater good of electing Biden. First of all, it’s not sustainable—you can’t enforce it across the board and trying to do so will just build more resentment of Biden. Second of all, I don’t want to.

treeship., Tuesday, 31 March 2020 00:41 (yesterday) link

Poll: Biden leads Trump by 10 points as economic pessimism grows

Former Vice President Joe Biden leads President Trump by 10 points nationally in a new poll, bolstered by an advantage with independents.

The poll also shows pessimism about the economy growing, a factor that could help Biden and hurt Trump in the poll.

The latest Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll finds Biden getting 55 percent support, versus 45 percent for Trump. Biden has 96 percent support from Democrats, while Trump has 89 percent support from Republicans. Independents break for Biden by a 54 to 46 percent margin.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 01:49 (yesterday) link

vote tomorrow.

also include Bernie in the vote.

top two vote getters are co-Presidents.

narcissistic sleighride (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 02:38 (yesterday) link

That is a sure-fire formula for four years of co-President Trump.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:17 (yesterday) link

nah he can't work with people, there'd be a fist fight and then he'd start clutching his chest from being asked to do any physical activity, and die Redd Foxx style

narcissistic sleighride (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 03:27 (yesterday) link

why don't we just skip the next 4 to 4000 years and get to the end game:

national fist fight for president

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:07 (yesterday) link

that's a good article

symsymsym, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 00:52 (nineteen hours ago) link

Yup, its a solid take.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 09:50 (ten hours ago) link

I post this in no way as a reflection of my own opinion--don't really have one, yet--but because it's been such a topic of conversation on this thread. Anyway, reading just the beginning, seems like there's not agreement here, either.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/so-about-that-supposed-lack-of-enthusiasm-for-biden/

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 April 2020 16:49 (three hours ago) link


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