Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://media.rapnewsdirect.com/CDCovers/Joe_Budden/Joe_Budden/t.300.default.jpg

Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

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superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 9 January 2021 22:54 (three months ago) link

Ideally yeah but all available data from the American electorate makes that sound impossible.

― “Big” Don Abernathy, Saturday, January 9, 2021 2:19 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Point me to this data.

People want medicare for all, a higher minimum wage, better funding for schools, legalized marijuana,a more robust unionization of the workforce, and at least some sort of police reform.

Nobody wants what the Republicans are offering, EXCEPT the sanctimonious/aggressive religious nationalism and white supremacy that they promote.

This is how they win elections, and this is how they will keep winning elections, because this country is a racist shithole that will never confront its dual original sins.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Saturday, 9 January 2021 23:53 (three months ago) link

Y/N do you agree that this country needs a strong Republican party?

― early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, January 9, 2021 5:30 PM bookmarkflaglink

I think this country needs an underwater Republican party

Looking for Cape Penis house (Neanderthal), Sunday, 10 January 2021 00:02 (three months ago) link

Well it looks like the country narrowly voted for all of those things you list in 2020 because Biden and down ballot Dems explicitly ran on all of those things except for M4A. But that one is trickier since support for that seems to depend on what elements of it you ask people about but mostly agreed upon by Dems as a long term goal.

David Shor’s postmortem seems mostly correct on point imo

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2020/11/12/2020-election-analysis-democrats-future-david-shor-interview-436334

“Big” Don Abernathy, Sunday, 10 January 2021 00:08 (three months ago) link

Ok so then what are these liberal policies that people disagree with that you're talking about? Those policies I listed are all the big Mainstays of mainstream liberalism in this country, at least in terms of domestic policy.

If you're talking about actual left policy, then yeah, I don't think we'll be seeing that anytime soon because people are fucking morons.

Pere Legume (the table is the table), Sunday, 10 January 2021 00:18 (three months ago) link

I don’t know why people disagree with those policies and generally I think it’s good to challenge from the left but a scary amount of people turned out to vote for republicans.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Sunday, 10 January 2021 00:26 (three months ago) link

Reactionary parties develop naturally.

It's not our job to encourage them.

GOP request to squash the impeachment trading explicitly on Biden’s request for unity.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:00 (three months ago) link

One of the House members calling for "unity and healing" is the newly elected CO rep who vowed to bring her Glock onto the floor of the House.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:04 (three months ago) link

Fuck...I guess he has to do what they want then.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Sunday, 10 January 2021 01:19 (three months ago) link

The only Kamala Harris thread is on ILM.

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/kamala-harris-vogue-cover/index.html

Republicans in the House are countering with their own set of impeachment articles today.

clemenza, Monday, 11 January 2021 14:32 (three months ago) link

xp Impeachment of ... what?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 January 2021 18:04 (three months ago) link

Of being black and female...I was of course kidding. But it probably is a good preview of what's in store for Harris.

clemenza, Monday, 11 January 2021 19:02 (three months ago) link

Man was that ever unclear

Daz White (darraghmac), Monday, 11 January 2021 19:07 (three months ago) link

We are entering or to be honest have already entered a phase in which no "I'm obviously clowning here" po-faced assertion about an action taken by House Republicans is, in fact, obvious clowning

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 January 2021 19:32 (three months ago) link

I'm lost. I'm that slacker in the Simpsons "Homerpalooza" episode who doesn't know anymore if he's being ironic or not. I must have misunderstood your post, eephus.

clemenza, Monday, 11 January 2021 19:44 (three months ago) link

Republicans in the House are moving to impeach ILX unless mods move the Kamala Harris thread to I Love Hoops

shivers me timber (sic), Monday, 11 January 2021 19:51 (three months ago) link

Kamala Harris can't jump

fade into bolivian (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:01 (three months ago) link

I'm going to lock this thread while Biden is taking the oath of office, unless I lock it earlier.

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:03 (three months ago) link

why

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:08 (three months ago) link

oh right lol

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:09 (three months ago) link

let's make some more Black jokes, they're landing really well in the current environment

Totino's Fortnite Training Room (DJP), Monday, 11 January 2021 21:09 (three months ago) link

how's this one looking now

― shivers me timber (sic), Friday, January 8, 2021 5:37 AM (four days ago)

I just received a positive COVID-19 test result after being locked down in a secured room at the Capitol where several Republicans not only cruelly refused to wear a mask but recklessly mocked colleagues and staff who offered them one.https://t.co/wVmgroKsdf

— Rep. Pramila Jayapal (@RepJayapal) January 12, 2021

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 06:42 (three months ago) link

“You take an aggressive approach to #BlackLivesMatter protests but not to right-wing extremists threatening to lynch a governor if it’s for the President*’s benefit. Did I get it right, Mr. Barr?” @RepJayapal #SheGotItRight @ReallyAmerican1 pic.twitter.com/VlHxasm5Zb

— Adam Rifkin 🐼 (@ifindkarma) July 29, 2020

shivers me timber (sic), Tuesday, 12 January 2021 07:11 (three months ago) link

And it's been almost a whole hour! The corruption, the venality — truly, we didn't know how good we had it with Trump!

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, November 24, 2020 10:36 AM ([one thousand two hundred and twenty seven hours ago)

ok point taken

― huge rant (sic), Saturday, November 28, 2020 10:37 AM (one month ago)

Star-Studded Biden-Harris Inaugural Events To Stretch Over 5 Days, Celebrate 'America United'

https://deadline.com/2021/01/star-studded-biden-harris-inaugural-events-5-days-celebrate-america-united-1234674481/

shivers me timber (sic), Sunday, 17 January 2021 05:45 (two months ago) link

The Biden inauguration, brought to you by Union Busting LLC.

“It is our job to hold President-Elect Biden accountable ...As an organizer whose union was busted by Ballard Spahr, I’m certainly disappointed – but my hope for change was never in Joe Biden, it has always been in our people-powered movement.” https://t.co/UEwrKQOhwt

— Jessica Benham (@jessicalbenham) January 18, 2021

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Monday, 18 January 2021 23:43 (two months ago) link

my hope for change was never in Joe Biden, it has always been in our people-powered movement.

that's a completely reasonable sentiment, no matter how Biden's administration turns out or what good deeds or mistakes he instigates

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 01:28 (two months ago) link

The real cool kid leftist take: Biden, an unremarkable politician with no real ideas or political style of his own, is shaping up to be a far, far better president than Obama.

— Alex Yablon (@AlexYablon) January 19, 2021

I think we should be cautious but there are already some good signs for sure

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:45 (two months ago) link

If the Democrats in the senate can stay unanimous in the face of howls from the right, much good may result.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 22:48 (two months ago) link

I won't quote Harvey Keitel's Pulp Fiction quip yet, but we've got a long political history of mediocrities transcending their own limitations. We'll see.

For the meantime, I feel relief. While COVID ain't going anywhere for a while, we have competent hands at last -- people who believe in government and have worked in government long enough to understand what mechanisms work and which need creation.

Tbh Covid is the only reason why I care about Biden's presidency at all.

The return of our beloved potatoes (the table is the table), Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:33 (two months ago) link

That's enough.

This is what I've said before about Biden's ideological flexibility and how it can be a virtue. I think he's *temperamentally* a moderate, so I don't think he's ever going to suddenly become a raging socialist. But he has a situational mindset and is open to persuasion. Although that's sometimes led him to make bad compromises, it could also lead him to advocate for more progressive policies than one might expect from him at this particular moment, because he recognizes the crisis and is willing to do what it takes to solve it.

jaymc, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:49 (two months ago) link

I'll also repost this tweet from the general politics thread, because I think it applies to Biden, too.

Hard to overstate how much better today's moderate Dem senators are than those of 2009, especially on stimulus. One reason I'd guess: Everyone's always fighting the last war, and "Obama's tepid recovery gave us Trump" has finally displaced "weakness on inflation gave us Reagan" https://t.co/eN6axte0PG

— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) January 19, 2021

jaymc, Tuesday, 19 January 2021 23:50 (two months ago) link

Everyone's always fighting the last war, and "Obama's tepid recovery gave us Trump" has finally displaced "weakness on inflation gave us Reagan"

Well uh Obama's skin color gave us Trump. Inflation and "we hate the '60s" gave us Reagan.

But, yeah, it's true: we're in a better spot than in 2009.

Also: "we hate black people" also gave us Reagan.

Any analysis of the ascendancy of Trump that doesn’t center him first and foremost as a reaction against the first Black President is wrong, IMO

Hello Nice FBI Lady (DJP), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 02:34 (two months ago) link

exactly

Dan S, Wednesday, 20 January 2021 02:36 (two months ago) link

He only built a "political" base by screaming bullshit for years about how the black president was fake.

shivers me timber (sic), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:13 (two months ago) link

Biden will recognize Guaido as Venezuela's leader, top diplomat says https://t.co/SGNaGb03ur pic.twitter.com/pf2R3AEAQj

— Reuters (@Reuters) January 19, 2021

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:28 (two months ago) link

lol

Canon in Deez (silby), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:32 (two months ago) link

hoo boy

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:42 (two months ago) link

Make The CIA Great Again

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:45 (two months ago) link

Thinking we might want to hold off a bit before declaring Biden vastly superior to Obama tbh. Maybe let him take a couple of lumps or have a couple of Republicans whine about the deficit.

Joe Biden Stan Account (milo z), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:46 (two months ago) link

oh I'll admit American presidents have execrable foreign policy.

meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:48 (two months ago) link

Thinking we might want to hold off a bit before declaring Biden vastly superior to Obama tbh

People like hope. Same reason why Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize just for succeeding Dubya and raising high hopes. I'm willing to see what he does, more especially because my influence over what he does will be indistinguishable from nil.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 03:51 (two months ago) link

As promised:

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 14:51 (two months ago) link

Continuing here:
Joe Biden is (currently) President of the United States

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 January 2021 16:10 (two months ago) link


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