Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://media.rapnewsdirect.com/CDCovers/Joe_Budden/Joe_Budden/t.300.default.jpg

Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Doctor Casino otm.

Anyway, we got our first Biden mailer, and tbh, while its design was clearly aimed at an older demographic, it did its job relatively well. Not sure of the efficacy of distributing such mailers in an area that will go 94% for Biden almost guaranteed, but I was a little pleasantly surprised by its messaging, which really hammered on COVID and economic recovery.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 25 September 2020 13:46 (two days ago) link

(I should reiterate that I dislike Biden and find pretty much everything about this situation terrible, but will be voting for him because I hate Nazis).

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 25 September 2020 13:48 (two days ago) link

I do not like that holocaust joke table

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 25 September 2020 13:59 (two days ago) link

wow i sure flagged the shit out of that unperson post, ffs

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 14:03 (two days ago) link

do you people ever get tired of meaningless online sanctimony

simon,

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 25 September 2020 14:04 (two days ago) link

Since table has no discernible sense of humor at all

wtf! table totally has a sense of humor, and is hilarious IRL (c.f. he laughs at my jokes)

sarahell, Friday, 25 September 2020 17:38 (two days ago) link

I was a little pleasantly surprised by its messaging, which really hammered on COVID and economic recovery.

I know you're not a Biden fan, but I'm just curious why this surprised you (especially since this was such a big theme of the DNC).

jaymc, Friday, 25 September 2020 20:11 (two days ago) link

I guess I wasn't surprised by the messaging itself, but more by how it was presented-- in a manner that was people-focused.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Friday, 25 September 2020 21:40 (two days ago) link

funniest thing he's ever done pic.twitter.com/R6d0tGzpZX

— jordan (@JordanUhl) September 25, 2020

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 26 September 2020 00:56 (yesterday) link

Joe playing up his virility to an audience of west point plebes, eh?

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 26 September 2020 01:11 (yesterday) link

Finally, the Jeb we deserve

frogbs, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:07 (yesterday) link

that's from 2016 I guess

akm, Saturday, 26 September 2020 15:39 (yesterday) link

President Nixon's association with the song "California Love" is well-known. He was pleased to discuss it with Mr. Shakur in Los Angeles last year. - RZ https://t.co/GVIj9Ok3Ig

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) September 26, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:01 (yesterday) link

continuing to ask her questions like this is fucking stupid

akm, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:08 (yesterday) link

^^

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:28 (yesterday) link

prez campaigns tend to consist mostly of those

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:38 (yesterday) link

probably she meant "best rapper who ever lived", but more funny to pretend she doesn't know he's dead, or ask such dumb questions

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:50 (yesterday) link

She just knows something the sheeple don't.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:54 (yesterday) link

Pac did say "hollah if ya hear me"

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 16:58 (yesterday) link

i was going to hold my nose and vote for biden, but now, with this 2pac development, i might have to sit this one out

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:21 (yesterday) link

keep your head up

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:22 (yesterday) link

but..2pac is dead

and she didn't know

Karl Malone, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:28 (yesterday) link

maybe she's just now catching up with his game-changing 2012 coachella performance

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:33 (yesterday) link

Once a long time ago I was sitting outside a metro stop and some guy with a microphone and a field recorder came up to me and asked me if I wanted to be on the radio. I said sure because I had nothing better to do (I was waiting on a ride to come pick me up, I think) and he began asking me rapid-fire questions that were obviously designed to elicit stupid responses, presumably for some morning zoo shit. I didn’t fall for it and he moved on to go find some other poor sap.

I imagine running for any reasonably high office in the land is like having that experience pretty much every other day or more.

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:47 (yesterday) link

During the week when the wildfires in Oregon were at their hellish worst I watched several live broadcasts of the governor giving daily press conferences, which were intelligent and informative, after which news reporters asked her many remarkably stupid questions.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Saturday, 26 September 2020 17:56 (yesterday) link

Tupac lives on in our hearts

And in holographic form

velcro-magnon (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:17 (yesterday) link

i was going to hold my nose and vote for biden, but now, with this 2pac development, i might have to sit this one out

― Karl Malone, Saturday, September 26, 2020 10:21 AM (fifty-six minutes ago)

finally someone with the courage to speak out on this!

sarahell, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:20 (yesterday) link

we could comment on the irony of Kamala's choice of rappers being a former prison inmate in the context of her problematic role in the racist carceral state, but we really should emphasize the fact she chose someone who is not alive as an indication of her overall dishonesty and low character?

n.b. i did think it was funny but ... just nbd

sarahell, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:24 (yesterday) link

It's sad to see Democrats in disarray over the age-old East Coast/West Coast divide.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:26 (yesterday) link

but we really should emphasize the fact she chose someone who is not alive as an indication of her overall dishonesty and low character?

Is anyone suggesting this?

Like Hillary's hot sauce it's just poorly staged folksiness - as cringeworthy as any relatable brand on Twitter. If asked, you don't have to pretend that you were cool an smoked weed in college while listening to Snoop ten years before he released a single.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:31 (yesterday) link

(Though that one was worse, given her career-long record of ruining peoples' lives for weed.)

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:31 (yesterday) link

I was being sarcastic, but you are kinda proving my point?

sarahell, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:39 (yesterday) link

https://media1.giphy.com/media/JTzPN5kkobFv7X0zPJ/giphy.gif

is never actually required

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:42 (yesterday) link

Oh, I agree! Like, I definitely cringe when I read/see stuff like that. It almost makes me want to be a campaign manager or PR person to help otherwise decent candidates avoid it, but ... that is too much professional masochism even for me.

sarahell, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:51 (yesterday) link

I think I would also vote for Steve Buscemi

sarahell, Saturday, 26 September 2020 18:52 (yesterday) link

i still laugh at 'MUSIC BAND'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 26 September 2020 19:35 (yesterday) link

Same, heh. The lightning bolt really clinches it.

pomenitul, Saturday, 26 September 2020 19:36 (yesterday) link

_but we really should emphasize the fact she chose someone who is not alive as an indication of her overall dishonesty and low character?_


Is anyone suggesting this?

Like Hillary's hot sauce it's just poorly staged folksiness - as cringeworthy as any relatable brand on Twitter. If asked, you don't have to pretend that you were cool an smoked weed in college while listening to Snoop ten years before he released a single.



The hot sauce thing wasn't pandering by Clinton, she’d done it for decades. It was mentioned as far back as the 90s.

Boring, Maryland, Saturday, 26 September 2020 22:59 (yesterday) link

yeah she's been talking about hot sauce since she had a southern accent

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:18 (yesterday) link

If you have any kind of character bit as a professional politician it automatically becomes fake. like if I ran for office and blurted out something about loving Detroit techno half the electorate would immediately assume I was just making shit up and had never actually listened to Carl Craig in my life. Then somebody would find my ILX posts and I would have to suspend my campaign under a dark cloud of complete and utter shame

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:23 (yesterday) link

yeah, why did you change your name from Tombot to El Tomboto, anyway?

the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:39 (yesterday) link

change from @mac.com to @gmail.com iirc

sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:53 (yesterday) link

Beto Tomboto

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:53 (yesterday) link

carlos danger's cousin, señor tomboto

superdeep borehole (harbl), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:56 (yesterday) link

Like Hillary's hot sauce it's just poorly staged folksiness

she was asked the question!

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 26 September 2020 23:59 (yesterday) link

Only God can judge Kamala

LaRusso Auto (Neanderthal), Sunday, 27 September 2020 00:00 (nineteen hours ago) link

xp - and if you haven't listened to a new album since 1995 you can say that! Like in exactly those words.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Sunday, 27 September 2020 00:05 (nineteen hours ago) link

domo arigato beto tomboto

sarahell, Sunday, 27 September 2020 15:33 (four hours ago) link

she was asked the question!

yes, and it's worth noting how many white male US senators are asked about their favorite rapper.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:50 (one hour ago) link

Mitt Romney loves 'sport'

error prone wolf syndicate (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 27 September 2020 18:52 (fifty-nine minutes ago) link


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