Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

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Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

after Trump, what status quo?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 13:58 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Biden supporting a public option is not the status quo

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"a buttigieg or a kamala, even with a super-bernie platform, just wouldn't mean the same thing"

it wouldn't mean the same thing but it a Buttigieg win would mean something. I know he's centrist by today's standards based on the policies he's articulated. That said, I think it would be incredibly meaningful to gay youth of the US to have a gay man in office. It would be as important a win as Obama was for the african american community.

akm, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:04 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i don't give a fuck about Imperial Mgr being a role model

they'll stil lall drown in 50 years

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:07 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lol I saw that Alyssa Milano stuff retweeted, what a load of shit

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:09 (three weeks ago) Permalink

That said, I think it would be incredibly meaningful to gay youth of the US to have a gay man in office.

a gay man in office who wasn't a former mckinsey ghoul who signed up for military service in the year of our lord two thousand and nine would be preferable

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, and a socialist who isn't a massive pain in the ass narcissist would be nice as well, but you take what you can

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

narcissist = every motherfucker who ran for prez ever

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:24 (three weeks ago) Permalink

As I said: You take what you can get

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:26 (three weeks ago) Permalink

So wasn’t the handsy stuff and the Anita Hill stuff supposed to deep six Biden? Still waiting for that.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Glad you're excited Fred xp

Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

NORMAL PEOPLE ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TIL AFTER CHRISTMAS

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

x-post: I'm really not...

Frederik B, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

BECAUSE THEY WOULD KILL THEMSELVES RATHER THAN DEAL WITH THIS SEWAGE FOR 18 MONTHS

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

(that was for Instant Gratification Keyes)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ok but pols typically suffer damage when the media is reporting on their negative shit, not 8 months later

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:36 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Fred I think that "x-post:" was unnecessary

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

time for my refrain of every four years:

all these people are in my area constantly, please use your freedom to ignore the primary race if you can

Biden's going to be a few miles away from me this evening, looks like

mh, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Morbius otm

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 14:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

So wasn’t the handsy stuff and the Anita Hill stuff supposed to deep six Biden? Still waiting for that.

― We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes),

I don't think any of the major candidates are going to torpedoed this early in the game. Biden has major backing, he isn't going to fall at the first hurdle. We're in that period of cycling through the establishment candidates and see what sticks, He's off to a good start but they're all getting a soft soap start. Still think Kamala is the main danger,

anvil, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:02 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I mean none of them are even really running "against" each other yet, which I think could shake a lot of this out for better or worse.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Joe Biden Wednesday bragged about time he spent in the "hood," a place where he said he found "women of color" he helped train to do computer coding.

Speaking at a rally, the former vice president elaborated on how U.S. workers need to receive better education to prepare themselves for a changing economy, and used a visit to Detroit, Mich., to describe how businesses went to local organizations that help train minorities various coding and technical abilities.

“Through a program we had through community colleges, we can teach people how to code," Biden said. "We went out, literally into the hood, and they found, turns out, 54 (people), they happened to be all women, the vast majority were women of color, no more than a high school degree, aged 25-54, and a third of them only had GEDs.”

The use of “hood” drew nervous laughter from some Democrats in the audience. One person let out a “yikes,” but later cheered for Biden at the end of his anecdote.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-brags-about-his-time-in-the-hood

Simon H., Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"When asked whether Mr. Biden would pay a political price for his grilling of Anita F. Hill during the 1991 confirmation hearings for Justice Clarence Thomas, Ms. Pelosi shook her head in the negative and waved a hand dismissively."

— Tim Barker (@_TimBarker) May 4, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Pelosi also said it is best to pursue a centrist path, otherwise Trump may possibly dispute the results

anvil, Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"These results are indisputable, since the opposing party is so darn centrist" is what he will plausibly say

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Sunday, 5 May 2019 21:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Pelosi also said it is best to pursue a centrist path, otherwise Trump may possibly dispute the results

― anvil,

To be fair, she said center-left in the story, the headline says "center." Thrush has carried water, wittingly or not, for the GOP in the past.

Worth reading:

If Pelosi makes an argument that the Democrats need to become more centrist, such that they need to start adopting policies that are closer to GOP policies, I will be the first to call her out. But that's not the argument she's making.

— Mangy Jay (@magi_jay) May 5, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2019 21:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I was in a funk most of yesterday afternoon after reading the story until I realized it was 92 degrees and the pool looked awesome.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2019 21:31 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm just glad she found the magic ticket that will prevent Trump from contesting the 2020 result

more seriously, I take the use of terms 'center' and 'centre-left' with a pinch of salt, given that terms are used not necessarily honestly (who was it that recently from the right of the party that said they were the real progressive? maybe it was Pelosi?)

But even outside of that, things have changed so much that there are new centers. I may be wrong but don't a majority of Republican voters now support M4A? does this kind of make Bernie a de facto centrist? I think it sorta does! raising taxes on corporations, legalization, wars - not unpopular with Republican voters. Not a traditionalist centrism, but one that reflects todays realities and, for me, makes Bernie the safest choice to beat Trump

anvil, Sunday, 5 May 2019 22:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5zwGVuW0AAnFvL.jpg:large

^ i am curious about what the x axis on this graph is supposed to represent exactly. is america really more conservative than it was in 19fucking60?

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Sunday, 5 May 2019 22:51 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Bernie has always been centrist, American news media is just fucked in the brain

blokes you can't rust (sic), Sunday, 5 May 2019 23:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i like when they call him "ultra-liberal", like he's a seasteader

difficult listening hour, Sunday, 5 May 2019 23:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I'm just glad she found the magic ticket that will prevent Trump from contesting the 2020 result

yeah, really.

Simon H., Sunday, 5 May 2019 23:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

^ i am curious about what the x axis on this graph is supposed to represent exactly. is america really more conservative than it was in 19fucking60?

― :∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Sunday, May 5, 2019 5:51 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, but republicans are. the x-axis represents how partisan the votes are of each member of congress. centrists will no doubt point to this as a problem, but it's kind of a regression to the mean historically.

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Monday, 6 May 2019 00:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

what's interesting about that graph is that the median democrat hasn't really shifted much, although the right tail has obv crept left, while reps have uniformly shifted right.

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Monday, 6 May 2019 00:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's also April 2019 when most primary voters don't give a shit.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2019 02:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

when biden becomes president and just does whatever his friends the republicans tell him to, it'd be funny for them to eliminate the wilmington amtrak station as part of their first round of austerity.

circles, Monday, 6 May 2019 02:23 (two weeks ago) Permalink

When I was at The Onion, it seemed like harmless fun to make Joe Biden a slightly gross and comical uncle, but now I see that’s been sort of weaponized and I regret my complicity.

— Joe Garden (@joegarden) May 6, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 6 May 2019 12:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

aiming SCUD at him for using "weaponized"

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2019 12:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"Sleepy Joe" Garden

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Monday, 6 May 2019 14:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I bet Trump really regrets wasting "Sloppy" on Bannon

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 6 May 2019 15:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Oh oh I see [insert all the cuss words] https://t.co/PyKzqIrJhE

— The Dr. Tressie McMillan Cottom (@tressiemcphd) May 7, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

there was a radio interview with Jill Biden regarding her book this week and I quickly switched it off when they asked her about that

the literal last person who should opine on the topic

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:44 (two weeks ago) Permalink

“You can fuckin kiss me anytime,” a woman in the crowd yells st Biden. “That’s very nice, thank you ... wow,” he says. pic.twitter.com/Gi6gGRSlbU

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) May 7, 2019

mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:32 (two weeks ago) Permalink

that's very nice, thank you

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:39 (two weeks ago) Permalink

...

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

wow

Evan, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:49 (two weeks ago) Permalink

one of the most cursed images in recent memory

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

same energy for sure

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Nice how this time there are like four Deans, all of whom are better than Dean actually was, on the way to our somehow much worse Kerry. https://t.co/jU9xgMFEV2

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) May 14, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 22:46 (one week ago) Permalink


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