Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (fifteen years ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://media.rapnewsdirect.com/CDCovers/Joe_Budden/Joe_Budden/t.300.default.jpg

Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (fifteen years ago) link

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (fifteen years ago) link

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (fifteen years ago) link

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (fifteen years ago) link

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (fifteen years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (fifteen years ago) link

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (fifteen years ago) link

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (fifteen years ago) link

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fifteen years ago) link

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fifteen years ago) link

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (fifteen years ago) link

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (fifteen years ago) link

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (fifteen years ago) link

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (fifteen years ago) link

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (fifteen years ago) link

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fifteen years ago) link

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (fifteen years ago) link

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (fifteen years ago) link

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (fifteen years ago) link

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (fifteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (fifteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (fifteen years ago) link

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (fifteen years ago) link

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (fifteen years ago) link

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (fifteen years ago) link

all this talk of moving certain conversations to this thread or that thread or starting a Huff Joe Biden's Balls Thread or whatever is wrongheaded as there is only #onethread

is right unfortunately (silby), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:15 (yesterday) link

"wrongthreaded" imo

Turnout in the election reached a 120 year high. The idea that a better candidate would have appealed to much larger numbers of voters seems like a stretch.

...if the exact same proportion of voters would vote the same way in a two-party system regardless of candidate, why have there ever been US elections?

huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:16 (yesterday) link

The public option is no easier or more likely to get past Joe Manchin's daughter/the GOP than Medicare For All and is worse policy - it's not universal (permanently at risk of being gutted like every other means-tested program - and the public option would be means tested for cost) and wouldn't do much at controlling healthcare cost as a percentage of GDP.

Biden's public option exist(s/ed) to strip support and movement from single-payer, in order to please the donor class (and it failed even at that - messaging the Biden campaign worked with Third Way on was used against him in the general).

The real meat of Biden's healthcare program is more subsidies for the execs at insurance companies, which still leaves an early middle-aged person making $50k a year paying 10% of their take-home for decent insurance.

'Decent' insurance that still results in situations like this

My friend Kaylin wrote this abt one month before she died, 4 years ago today. I loved her. She shld not have had to spend the last months of her life fighting w her insurance company. I will never accept the unspeakable cruelty of US healthcare system. Medicare for all. Now. pic.twitter.com/1oiRKj6rnS

— elaine (@p_splashartist) November 22, 2020

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:21 (yesterday) link

Anything short of Medicare for All is so pathetic as to not be worth paying attention to not to mention, as Milo says, not going to happen

is right unfortunately (silby), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:24 (yesterday) link

I prefer demanding good things that aren’t going to happen to demanding to kind of bad things that aren’t going to happen.

is right unfortunately (silby), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:25 (yesterday) link

https://i.imgur.com/WnHmlIW.jpg

Everybody knows they are mostly going to be D.C. careerists with public-private revolving door experience and assorted think tank/Ivy League/corporate credentials. Nearly all of them will have things on their resumes to be very mad about, if you so choose. What my new book presupposes is... maybe that sucks?

huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:27 (yesterday) link

It's funny to see a friend's tweets on this thread, I just wish they weren't so deadly serious.

To think that I was "lucky" spending approximately 10k out of pocket for my medical care in 2019, a year when I made 27k, is absolutely ludicrous. Of course, that medical care amounted to approximately 1.05 million dollars, but that's just another reason why the entire healthcare system in the US needs to be overhauled, because I was getting nickeled and dimed for the absolute dumbest shit.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:32 (yesterday) link

glad you came out the other side of that ordeal table

Dan S, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:36 (yesterday) link

AOC convincingly explained the possibly-fatal flaws with the public option route in, like, two minutes flat. I don't have a link handy but I posted it on the AOC thread maybe a month ago.

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:36 (yesterday) link

Thanks, Dan. I am, too.

I will be frank and say that the ACA saved my life. If I can imagine anything positive about the Biden admin besides a change in the tenor of discourse, perhaps, it is that executive attacks on something *resembling* better health care will probably slow to a halt.

That said, M4A or bust.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:40 (yesterday) link

“ Biden's public option exist(s/ed) to strip support and movement from single-payer, in order to please the donor class (and it failed even at that - messaging the Biden campaign worked with Third Way on was used against him in the general).”

Eh that’s pretty silly and conspiratorial imo.

The only way you get to m4a is through sone incremental expansion. That’s the only path that builds the necessary public support for Universal Health Care. The m4A advocacy these past few years really ticked up by not framing it as the extension of what the ACA started instead of this “everything else but M4a is pathetic/for millionaires”. Might as well just ran your head into a wall a thousand times.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:44 (yesterday) link

is that covered?

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:46 (yesterday) link

lol

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:46 (yesterday) link

only way you get to m4a is through sone incremental expansion. That’s the only path that builds the necessary public support for Universal Health Care.

the public already support it, a pandemic killing over 1,000 ppl a day would have been the perfect popular time to campaign on it

huge rant (sic), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:52 (yesterday) link

^^^

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:55 (yesterday) link

No the opposite in fact. Radically overhauling the health care industry during that time would have been incredibly toxic. The immediate issues/concerns people had with the pandemic weren’t like “I can’t afford to see a doctor”

“Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:56 (yesterday) link

when some Bernie people were saying that near the end of the primary they were wildly misreading the moment.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, 24 November 2020 23:56 (yesterday) link

the public supports it, and I support it, but much like the ACA, you have to fight tooth and nail to keep the White House for like, 3 or more terms after passing it to avoid the inevitable "lol let's undo everything the Dems just did" campaigns that will intentionally weaken the program.

there really is no greater form of insanity than defending the US private insurance industry in 2020. also Medicare needs to be reformed for M4A to at least cover 90% coinsurance. 80/20 sound ok-ish until you have one hospital admission, 20% of several thousand dollars is an amount most people can afford. my parents neither are working and are trying to afford monthly payments for my dad's costly April hospitalization. he reached OOP on it but it's a pretty high maximum for his advantage plan, so he owed a ton after his Medicare Advantage plan paid.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:00 (sixteen hours ago) link

The immediate issues/concerns people had with the pandemic weren’t like “I can’t afford to see a doctor”

wouldn't that...make them more amenable to overhaul the system?

not that people being contradictory is a shock - when I was in the call center wing of my business, I'd hear people describe their horrifying medical ordeals and how it left them with a mountain of debt and they'd still bitch about socialism and the nanny state out of the other side of their mouths.

ACA didn't win a lot of people over because it was imperfect and wound up being massively expensive for a large proportion of people, including my own mother, for mediocre plans. but an actual M4A system might change their minds after the first few claims kicked in.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:02 (sixteen hours ago) link

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-23/biden-linked-firm-tests-messages-to-undercut-medicare-for-all
https://citizentruth.org/top-democratic-consultants-have-worked-for-anti-medicare-for-all-campaign/

The Partnership for America’s Health Care Future (PAHCF), a nonprofit created last year to oppose plans to create a comprehensive, universal health care system, paid almost $760,000 to Bully Pulpit Interactive, a communications and digital marketing firm that has worked with the Democratic National Committee and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee (DSCC).

The dark money organization paid almost $185,000 to Anzalone Liszt Grove Research, a polling firm that has been working with former Vice President Biden’s Democratic presidential campaign, the DSCC, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. The firm recently tested attack lines on Medicare for All for Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank. PAHCF also paid $140,000 to Blue Engine Message & Media, a firm that was founded by former campaign staffers for President Barack Obama. (Blue Engine is now known as Seven Letter.)

(As I said, this didn't work, as the Partnership for America's Healthcare Future then turned on Biden once Medicare For All was a dead issue.)

Biden's (few) progressive moves over the most recent cycle have all been calculated to claw back at strides made by the 'progressive wing.' No wealth tax or concrete plans to deal with inequality but we'll agree to a minimum wage increase 11 years after Democrats could have passed one when Obama had 57 Senators. No single-payer healthcare, but we'll float a public option our Senators wouldn't pass last time and spent months telling you how evil single-payer healthcare is.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:03 (sixteen hours ago) link

the public supports it, and I support it, but much like the ACA, you have to fight tooth and nail to keep the White House for like, 3 or more terms after passing it to avoid the inevitable "lol let's undo everything the Dems just did" campaigns that will intentionally weaken the program.

This is the fundamental argument for M4A rather than "incremental expansion" (which, again, are no more likely to pass than M4A) - universal programs are harder to kill.

Bush didn't crater after Iraq or Katrina - he fucked up by talking about privatizing Social Security.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:05 (sixteen hours ago) link

“ "incremental expansion" (which, again, are no more likely to pass than M4A)”

Ehhh idk about that.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:13 (sixteen hours ago) link

i'm against incremental expansion of the ACA as it's basically been crippled to the point where at best, you'll get it back to what it was in 2014.

the drawback = the ACA was the springboard that Republicans/Tea Party campaigned on which resulted in the ridiculous Red Wave of 2010. But...I don't think you can let things like that factor into your decision. At some point, you gotta just swing for the fences.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:16 (sixteen hours ago) link

Is Big Don actually Joe Biden

― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, November 25, 2020 10:06 AM (one hour ago)

Is Big Don actually Anthem, Inc

huge rant (sic), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:18 (sixteen hours ago) link

wrinklepaws

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:20 (sixteen hours ago) link

It’s worth remembering that the GOP unable to get their ACA repeal through even with all three chambers in large part because of intense public outcry.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:20 (sixteen hours ago) link

Ehhh idk about that.

You think Mitch McConnell is going to pass the public option? The party that has refused to institute Medicaid expansion where it wasn't forced to is going to pass a national Medicaid expansion?

Best case scenario that Joe Manchin is the swing vote, he's going to do either of those?

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:21 (sixteen hours ago) link

The better policy is just as difficult to achieve as the bad policy - but inspires activism and broad public support from your party's voters. No one's volunteering to phone bank for more subsidies for Blue Cross/Blue Shield.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:24 (sixteen hours ago) link

The immediate issues/concerns people had with the pandemic weren’t like “I can’t afford to see a doctor”

what kind of horseshit is this

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:24 (sixteen hours ago) link

No Milo I wasn’t thinking it would be something that happens with a GOP controlled senate

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:25 (sixteen hours ago) link

The Manchin scenario isn't a GOP controlled Senate

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:26 (sixteen hours ago) link

I wish there was a Manchin scenario, but we're not even going to get that

Dan S, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:28 (sixteen hours ago) link

the very worst Robert Ludlum

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:29 (sixteen hours ago) link

did we defund his butt yet

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 00:30 (sixteen hours ago) link

I wonder if any of us are really ready for what a healthcare debate will look like in the age of Q. There will be insanity. They're going to act like this is the Final Solution, they're all being lined up for enslavement or extinction.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:03 (thirteen hours ago) link

They are but not in the way they think

is right unfortunately (silby), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:03 (thirteen hours ago) link

Biden is Q iirc.

pomenitul, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:04 (thirteen hours ago) link

Biden has work insurance, he skips the Q

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 03:09 (thirteen hours ago) link

I don’t know what the tell you man. The public option exists, has been a long term progressive goal, would help a lot of people out and he ran on it. I don’t that the difference between that and M4A is the best reason to go all blackpill but w\e you do you Jack.

― “Big” Don Abernathy, Tuesday, November 24, 2020 6:03 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

This is a funhouse mirror version of Rs treating Romneycare (aka the ACA) as some socialist plot instead of the product of conservative thinktanks.

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 14:57 (one hour ago) link

No the public option passing would actually be major social legislation. Well yeah I know that the right wing think tank thing is something people say but not really true about the ACA. Right thing think tanks wouldn’t conceive of Medicaid expansion just for one thing and also Republicans desperation to repeal it is reason enough for us to know not to repeat that talking point.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:32 (nineteen minutes ago) link

There should be some questioning of “the public option is compromised corporatist shit (lol) but m4a is the ideal oh and both things are EQUALLY a non-starter in the senate”.

I use to believe in that theory that you go for the most ambitious legislation possible to get the best deal but idk that’s like out of some dumb book about how to win negotiations. Especially when you’re announcing that it’s a tactic at the outset.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:37 (fourteen minutes ago) link

But the public option is compromised corporatist shit, full stop.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:37 (thirteen minutes ago) link

Haha holy shit

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:39 (twelve minutes ago) link

No that’s...aggressively ignorant. Sorry.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:40 (ten minutes ago) link

I would say I missed gabbneb but I actually didn’t.

is right unfortunately (silby), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:43 (seven minutes ago) link

i do like* that ilx gets a wacky new centrist every few months

*not the right word

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:44 (six minutes ago) link

pub option was some wack olive branch 2008 shit that the Dems couldn’t even muster the sack to get behind. the kids are on some M4A now, old man.

*skateboards away*

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:45 (five minutes ago) link

here you go Big Don

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:47 (four minutes ago) link

You're aggressively ignorant, Big Don. Please leave.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:48 (two minutes ago) link

If I thought everything outside of full m4a was garbage or a evil plot I would probably just kill myself. Because also maybe it would effectively demonstrate the severity of my feelings toward healthcare policy? I know I would be like “woah check out what this badass did. Maybe he has a point”

“Big” Don Abernathy, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 16:50 (one minute ago) link


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