Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

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Biden says he intends to run for president

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:49 (fourteen years ago) link

in case anyone is curious about what would make vote 3d party -- or not at all -- for president, it is this. and i am saying this as someone who would vote for lieberman if the republican was much worse. everytime you use yer credit cards, you pay for this assclown's campaign.

that said, i anticipate that he won't even come close to winning the nomination.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

i like plagirizin' joe!

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:52 (fourteen years ago) link

you may sing a different tune if you ever have to consider bankruptcy ... and find that you can't do that b/c of sen. mastercard.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link

http://media.rapnewsdirect.com/CDCovers/Joe_Budden/Joe_Budden/t.300.default.jpg

Hugh Jarmes (jaxon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:00 (fourteen years ago) link

he wasn't the only senator to vote for that bill, ya know.

hstencil (hstencil), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:12 (fourteen years ago) link

he's the only one who voted for it who has announced that he's running for president. and he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

everyone has their lines that cannot be crossed. and this is mine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:26 (fourteen years ago) link

He is deluded by his standing in the Senate. His standing in the country is 'meh'.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:43 (fourteen years ago) link

name an office holding democrat with a higher national profile on foreign affairs or the war on terrorism

j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Have any Republicanz announced other than Frist?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:53 (fourteen years ago) link

The credit card bizness is something I need to get into. I'd name my card like, UserioCard.

Biden's a tool, but promoting Lieberman ahead of him seems so so wrong. He pushes all my buttons, maybe it's a style thing.

Is Frist's running mate Terry Schiavo, I heard he just pronounced her alive and well.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:58 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm not a huge fan of Biden, but Lieberman is much worse (esp. since insurance industry and credit industry cancel each other out by and large.)

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:14 (fourteen years ago) link

oh don't get me wrong -- i don't like lieberman very much, either. and now that i think about it, maybe lieberman IS worse -- at least biden isn't a self-righteous bluenose.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (fourteen years ago) link

both joes are treacherous, back-stabbing wusses and neither one is who i would pick to lead the democratic party.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:27 (fourteen years ago) link

No disagreement there.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh, but come 2008 you'll line up to vote for either of them if you have to. The Democrats know they've got you by the short and curlies.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:29 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh I'd vote for either them over anyone the Republicans have put up since oh maybe Eisenhower, but that's not saying a hell of a lot.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean technically I've already voted for a Lieberman ticket.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

well, the thing to do is make sure that neither joementum GETS to be the nominee. and neither one is likely to, so what i'm saying is hot air i guess.

i'm tempted to answer milo by saying "not this time," but i know myself better than that -- still, if either biden or lieberman is the man on 11/2008 then i am going into the voting booth w/ a HAZMAT suit (if i bother to show up at all).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (fourteen years ago) link

blount otm. also, name a national democrat with a greater toughness/competence (i.e. will keep you safe) aura

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

Clark?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

The guy literaly doesn't blink, who's tougher than that?

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Now you're talking.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Haha, so he passes the Ross Perot test, then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

the quality blount and gabbneb allude to = "most likely democrat to be voted for by republican-voting voters if all actual real republican candidates for some reason declined to stand"

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:46 (fourteen years ago) link

by being black

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:47 (fourteen years ago) link

mark s - there are a lot of people who vote for Republicans who *aren't* Republicans. and as for the qualities blount and I allude to, name a Republican prospect (other than McCain or Cheney, who I think we'd both concede) who has more of them than Biden.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Well, how did Clinton win twice then?

George H.W. Bush. Robert J. Dole.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

it's all about who is most vigorous, while still retaining credibility that they know what they're doing

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link

In that case, it's too bad Bush can't run again.

Hunter (Hunter), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:54 (fourteen years ago) link

this is exactly the type of thinking that got us john kerry.

and republicans have credit card bills, too.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:58 (fourteen years ago) link

the idea that biden - still less lieberman - can pick up whatever of the "clinton vote" that went to 43 seems demented to me

both of them are way more beltway-insider names than they are "outsider-running-against-the-system" names

clinton won (first time) bcz of perot also

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

no, it's exactly the opposite of the thinking that got us John Kerry. have you ever seen a sleepier candidate?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:00 (fourteen years ago) link

ie clinton was a system-glitch president in some ways (tho so wz 43)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Kerry was picked on resume, rather than personal characteristics (where Biden easily outweighs him).

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:03 (fourteen years ago) link

he is ESPECIALLY bad & shameless wr2 the credit card industry.

right, because he is the Senator from Delaware. when he is President, he won't be from Delaware anymore.

also, is there some way that this is equivalent to being especially bad & shameless wrt EVERY industry (tho the drug companies especially, in Frist's case)?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:06 (fourteen years ago) link

gabb, if yer posts are typical of what other democratic apparatchiki are thinking then the party is good and fucked. and the rest of us better get used to saying "president jeb bush."

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

why? who do you think is better?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:09 (fourteen years ago) link

I don't think Clinton was that much of a system glitch winner as you say. It was a veritable electoral college landslide both times.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:11 (fourteen years ago) link

at this stage in the 1992 election wasn't biden considered a way sweeter candidate than clinton? when the dems began their run-off against each other, clinton was an outsider and low in the field

perot was the glitch - a third-party contender bcz he was RICHER THAN CROESUS he holed bush's vote then collapsed himself: that's a pretty rare circumstance; i don't believe clinton wd have smashed through bush's defences on his own

clinton second time was merely a successful amd popular incumbent, so not a glitch winner then, no

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link

if there'd been a significant perot-style third-party candidate robbing bush43 from the libertarian right last year, kerry could have won

(i somewhat doubt he would, given what a fuck-awful show he put on)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:26 (fourteen years ago) link

"at this stage in the 1992 election" = 1989 i guess!

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:27 (fourteen years ago) link

exit polling showed that Clinton would have won 92 without Perot

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:30 (fourteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 June 2005 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link

Perot voters were split between Bush and Clinton as second-choice and voted strongly Democrat down-ballot. Perot 'stealing' the election for Clinton is pretty much a myth.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:06 (fourteen years ago) link

And that Kerry won.

the exit polls in 92 matched the results. and maybe Kerry did win.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:32 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry my post abt kerry obscured the point i wz makin abt perot's role in transforming the dynamic in mid-92 (which exit polls say nothing abt): i wasn't saying perot ended up splitting the republican vote (which i kinda WAS saying might have happened last year, which wz a difft kind of battle in a very difft situation)

"difft kind of battle in a very difft situation" is actually the general point i am makin: biden seems to me the poster-boy of "if things play out the way they did last time, it's OUR TURN"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:09 (fourteen years ago) link

but whatever it's 3 o'clock in the morning and 91° here so my um "analytical skills" are sharply cut w.the perverse boredom of bein unable to get to sleep

mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:11 (fourteen years ago) link

guys, 2008 is faaaaaaaaaaaaaar away in policital time.

Bush could be assassinated by then.

Did many know who the hell Clinton was outside Arkansas before the 1992 election?

Let Biden try. I'm voting for the best guy.. if McCain runs and wins the nomination for the Repubs and someone like Biden or Lieberman wins the Dem nomination, I'm considering McCain..(and i stress "considering")

IF that happens, so much for what a Dem or Repub means.

donut e-goo (donut), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link

that's the concern for the Dems, like Hillary's 11th hour "scandal" of "oh maybe we should check her emails again...oh wait never mind she's good" maybe cost her the election.

omar little, Thursday, 20 June 2019 17:25 (one month ago) link

No matter who it is, Trump will concoct a horrifying disinformation campaign, perhaps even opening an investigation into his opponent to poison the well.

Honestly, the dem candidates are all pretty brave to put themselves out there like this.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 20 June 2019 17:42 (one month ago) link

if biden ends up the nominee, it's not like trump and his campaign can use biden's record on opposing busing and crossing the aisle to actively support segregationists against him. trump probably still agrees with biden on those things! in other words, i can't imagine trump coming out with an attack on biden that focuses on biden's opposition on busing in the 70s.

Donald Trump will say literally anything, then say the exact opposite thing 24 hours later, if either or both will earn him a "win" in the moment.

Also, it's worth bearing in mind that every Democratic candidate has the advantage of running against Donald Trump in the general. The man has a 40% approval rating, give or take, and it will never rise to 50%. I don't give a fuck what Chuck Todd says, there are no "undecided" voters to be won over. Trump's been in office 2 1/2 (million) years already, and those who don't worship him fucking hate him. It's not about winning over potential Trump voters; it's about encouraging Democratic turnout, period. Trump doesn't have enough voters to win, unless nobody shows up for the D candidate.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 20 June 2019 17:51 (one month ago) link

Trump's campaign would absolutely attack Biden on this, like the stuff about Hillary's "racist mentor" (Byrd, I think) - the point is not to address the issue, it's to take it off the table so that people who don't like to think of themselves as racists can continue to not think of themselves as racists as they vote for an out-and-out racist.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 20 June 2019 18:11 (one month ago) link

the gop has expended a massive amount of effort to hand wave away the party's long history of racism and anti-semitism to make their supporters think they're all good on these issues. the audacity is staggering.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 20 June 2019 18:43 (one month ago) link

ok, willing to admit i'm totally wrong about trump not bringing it up

however, still not sure why it's not best to bring it up now, as part of the democratic primary process, so voters have enough time to think about it and hopefully not vote for him in the primary

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 20 June 2019 18:52 (one month ago) link

We're seven months away from the first primary?

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 20 June 2019 18:54 (one month ago) link

but in that case...what's the use of talking about anything related to the primary or the election?

wait a second, my mind might be expanding here

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 20 June 2019 19:01 (one month ago) link

It's not about winning over potential Trump voters; it's about encouraging Democratic turnout, period. Trump doesn't have enough voters to win, unless nobody shows up for the D candidate.

And this is why the Dems control the House.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 June 2019 19:15 (one month ago) link

*hits like button*

hollow your fart (m bison), Thursday, 20 June 2019 19:36 (one month ago) link

Bernie Sanders briefly loses his temper with Stephanie Ruhle pic.twitter.com/YJWfWDTVRa

— Jeff Cimmino (@jeffcimmino) June 20, 2019

I kept seeing this characterized as Bernie "losing his temper" on this issue but it's really a very mild response. What's notable is the level of rationalization going on w/ the press, many of whom really seem to be in the tank for Biden.

Simon H., Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:20 (one month ago) link

hard to name the most hardcore Stop Bernie faction

health insurance industry
DNC
Wall Street
msm
ILX lol

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:22 (one month ago) link

that is v mild salsa but some whites will still detect a pepper and call it spicy

hollow your fart (m bison), Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:23 (one month ago) link

oh and quelle surprise (sorry if already covered but if so I didn't spot it)

Joe Biden once referred to Democratic presidential candidate Rev. Jesse Jackson as “that boy.” pic.twitter.com/NXW7mTqkWt

— Walker Bragman (@WalkerBragman) June 20, 2019

Simon H., Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:29 (one month ago) link

I guess JJ wasn't clean and articulate enough to get his respect

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:32 (one month ago) link

my god that MSNBC question was moronic. Good on Sanders for losing his patience; at the 30-second mark, I hoped he'd say something like, "I've answered your question" and he did.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:35 (one month ago) link

Remember: Vote Blue no matter who. Our very existence is at stake. pic.twitter.com/MuVzIKvxbT

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 20, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 June 2019 21:36 (one month ago) link

morbs ilx loves bernie!

Vape Store (crüt), Friday, 21 June 2019 00:55 (one month ago) link

there is a pretty vocal anti-Bernie contingent here

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 June 2019 00:57 (one month ago) link

there is a pretty vocal pro and anti-Bernie contingent in any group of 20 or more people

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 June 2019 00:58 (one month ago) link

maybe but given the more or less shared politics here the anti- faction seems oddly strident, lotsa lingering upset from the last go around

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 June 2019 01:04 (one month ago) link

p neutral on bernie

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 21 June 2019 01:22 (one month ago) link

Bernie's fine. I just think he has a pretty low ceiling, and would never be elected president.

o. nate, Friday, 21 June 2019 01:31 (one month ago) link

reminds me of what they said about someone else...

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 June 2019 01:50 (one month ago) link

i for one never stopped believing in george pataki

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 June 2019 01:56 (one month ago) link

Sure a lot of people were wrong about Trump. However I don’t really see how that carries over to Bernie. They’re about as different as two candidates can be.

o. nate, Friday, 21 June 2019 11:49 (one month ago) link

For two old white guys, yeah.

Pauline Male (Eric H.), Friday, 21 June 2019 12:46 (one month ago) link

i'm told they both own multiple houses

mookieproof, Friday, 21 June 2019 13:15 (one month ago) link

on the political spectrum of old white guy, biden is kind of radical

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:33 (one month ago) link

in that case I think he'd make a fine President of a retirement community in Boca.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 21 June 2019 13:38 (one month ago) link

joe biden to a female townhall questioner: do you have a racist bone in your body?

questioner: no

joe biden: do you want one?

— cari (@eatinginmycar) June 21, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 21 June 2019 16:14 (one month ago) link

lol

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:15 (one month ago) link

Standing in a tuxedo, Biden compared [Strom] Thurmond to the Confederate general Robert E. Lee: “an opponent without hate, a friend without treachery, a statesman without pretense, a soldier without cruelty and a neighbor without hypocrisy.”

— Jacobin (@jacobinmag) June 22, 2019

damn maybe he *can* court trump voters

Simon H., Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:15 (one month ago) link

a Confederate without remorse, a sadist without apology, a traitor without precedne

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:16 (one month ago) link

*precedent

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:16 (one month ago) link

Comrades, "Paul" has uncovered our secret plan. Report to your superiors and await new instructions. https://t.co/60vFi4mKoQ

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 22, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:21 (one month ago) link

Memo to Creepy Joe: HRC didn't lose because she failed to charm GOP voters with her "super predators" slur, her Iraq war vote and annihilation of Libya. She lost because she couldn't turn out urban black voters at anything close to Obama's numbers. There was a reason for that...

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 22, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 22 June 2019 18:59 (one month ago) link

omg that joe biden racist bone joke.

Yerac, Saturday, 22 June 2019 19:03 (one month ago) link

I'd have some respect for the guy if he simply said "As a Catholic, I'm morally opposed to abortion." But instead he lies & changes his position when he gets bad press and, like Trump, loudly denies his own record.https://t.co/g5SNO8yPt4

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) June 23, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:14 (four weeks ago) link

“I think it’s a little unexpected, I don’t think he has figured for this.” - Dianne Feinstein, alleged grownup in politics

NEW: Democrats want White House hopefuls to cool it on Biden attacks https://t.co/iTTCcSfRBD pic.twitter.com/uicfaC3KgF

— The Hill (@thehill) June 21, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 17:51 (three weeks ago) link

NEW from me + @SherylNYT: Joe Biden says he "got stuck with" writing the crime bills. Not true. Our deep dive into how, as early as '77, he made the expansion of the prison population an explicit legislative goal

"Lock the S.O.B's up," he said in 1994https://t.co/pP2lyDk6gB

— Steadman™ (@AsteadWesley) June 25, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 June 2019 20:38 (three weeks ago) link

In the next debate Sanders and Warren (and whoever else I guess?) should make more of an issue of the fact that Biden has represented a state for decades that more or less exists for the sole purposes of laundering corp profit and hiding taxes (from 2012). https://t.co/3cVoChP2eE

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) July 9, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 17:08 (one week ago) link

Adam H. Johnson has discovered a particularly stupid way to frame Biden's complicity in such atrocities as the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 1978. Attack him on his record. Attacking him because he represents Delaware has all the resonance of a soggy Kleenex.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:29 (one week ago) link

i think "has represented and enabled and worked for the elites" is strongly implied there

but fuck Delaware on principle

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:35 (one week ago) link

Why just 'imply' when you can go straight for the jugular?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 18:37 (one week ago) link

presumably he isn't suggesting Biden's opponents declaim, "YOU REPRESENTED DELAWARE, sirrah!"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 19:22 (one week ago) link

small states probably shouldn't have senators tbrr

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 02:41 (one week ago) link

Or maybe one senator for 3 or 4 states, so they feel included.

nickn, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 02:48 (one week ago) link

That NYer article was kind of moving as a portrait of a father-son relationship.

o. nate, Thursday, 11 July 2019 13:09 (one week ago) link


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