Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

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Lately, "veggies" has been bugging the shit out of me... too flip, too Australian sounding. Also, "At the end of the day..." is being heavily abused by politicos... a new catch-phrase with no meaning.

Now, a small cadre of philistines in my office has been using the word "outreach" as a NOUN... "Were you able to establish some outreach with the printers?" etc.

What language abuses have been rubbing you raw lately?

andy, Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:18 (nineteen years ago) link

"TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE"

TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:35 (nineteen years ago) link

what?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

That seems like it'd be right up your alley, TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link

My friends got into saying "P-word" as a jokingly PC way of saying "pussy" .. i.e. - "so-and-so is a p-word." I tried to explain that it's a real pussy move to be afraid of saying pussy and hypocritical of anyone then to call anyone else a p-word. I think it fell on deaf ears.

TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

my p hurts!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 22:37 (nineteen years ago) link

If my dad wants to agree with something you've said, he says "This is true." It really, really gets me annoyed, for no other reason than overuse as far as I can think.

caitlin (caitlin), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:21 (nineteen years ago) link

"Have a Cool Yule!" - I haven't actually heard this lately but because of the season I remembered this the other day and darkly mulled over its wankiness.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link

using "Cool Yule" seems like it should automatically warrant a knife in the face.

El Santo Claus (Kingfish), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

My father met Cheech Marin while drunk and got his autograph. My father is not the autograph type, but kept it because it is a small bar napkin that says "BE COOL FOOL, CHEECH." A man of few words, that Cheech.

TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I cant stand it when I hear someone say 'impactful' is that even a word? Impact is not a property, its created.

bill stevens (bscrubbins), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm getting really pissed of with american interpretations of 'Liberal', 'Libertarian' and 'Conservative'

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I also get upset about "N-Word" as well. If you're using it in a critical context, people will understand that. If you're not, then you should have the conviction to let people hear it if you want to say it.

TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I hate "touch base" and "metrosexual"

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:55 (nineteen years ago) link

OH come on, let's touch bases.

TEH ONE AN ONLEY DEANN GULBAREY (deangulberry), Tuesday, 23 December 2003 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, "metrosexual" is possible the lamest noun of the new millenia.

andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Or is it an adjective? I don't know.

andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

If my dad wants to agree with something you've said, he says "This is true." It really, really gets me annoyed, for no other reason than overuse as far as I can think.

-- caitlin (wpsal...) (webmail), December 23rd, 2003. (caitlin)


Oh yes, yes yes. I second that one. And the people who say it, say it over and over.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:02 (nineteen years ago) link

But Ed, those words have different interpretations in almost every country in which they are used.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I blame the consolidation of global political power and the diminution of class mobility on people who write in the passive voice.

I also have a horror of people who write prolifically in all caps.

felicity (felicity), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:07 (nineteen years ago) link


"It must say something about ILX that this is the most repeated topic of all time..."

This is true.

But, this is a topic that should be dealt with routinely and harshly... the only way we can correct the language and suppress it's organic growth is by exposing and banning every new usage as it occurs... Isn't that what the French do?

andy, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Least favorite (mis)usage ever - "ON accident..." it's BY accident you fucking moron!!

Also: 'fridge,' girls who refer to each other as 'girl,' proactive...i'll be back when i think of more....

roger adultery, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:47 (nineteen years ago) link

I know, oops, but still it pisses me off.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

The recurrence of this topic is always accompanied by the recurrence of complaint about its recurrence.

the music mole (colin s barrow), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Space. All this crap about needing space. Fuck off, then.

Roderick the Visigoth. (Jake Proudlock), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:19 (nineteen years ago) link

All girls must now refer to one another as "guy"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

ok?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 24 December 2003 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Using "Sexy" in a business environment that has nothing to do with sex. As in "this is a very sexy proposal for our company". Well, I guess, if ripping people off is what turns you on.

BrianB (BrianB), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

'exact same'.

luna (luna.c), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 20:47 (nineteen years ago) link

"bird" instead of "girl" or "woman". AAAAAARGH.

Melly E (Melly E), Wednesday, 24 December 2003 21:10 (nineteen years ago) link

When people call each other 'babe' and the completely inappropriate use of the word 'literally'. Also can I add at this point, even if it may not be entirely relevant, the unjustifiable grammatical error in Rachael Stevens' song 'Sweet Dreams My LA Ex' : "accuse me of things I never done." And I've listened hard for "I've never done" to try and give her the benefit of the doubt but she doesn't say it.

barbara wintergreen, Monday, 29 December 2003 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link

"Begging the question" and "chomping at the bit." The first is almost always used incorrectly, and the second should be "champing," Goddamn it.

Salmon Pink (Salmon Pink), Monday, 29 December 2003 20:18 (nineteen years ago) link

or "bits"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 29 December 2003 20:34 (nineteen years ago) link

'any way shape or form'. Most heard in full-media-glare denials of misdeeds. Used by dodgy sportsmen who have been 'coached' by their minders for the occasion. It immediately strips the first dozen layers of credibility from whatever statement is being made.

'poetic justice'. Used by the lazy to describe all 'justice' the speaker approves of, instead of a particular type. The adjective is rendered meaningless.

Agree re 'bird' for woman/girl, and lament its threatened return. Stinks of 'I'm being un-PC, where's my medal?'. Also the C-person uses it, which kinda ends the argument.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Monday, 29 December 2003 23:59 (nineteen years ago) link

optics

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

also photonic inplace of optic

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:10 (nineteen years ago) link

"the....(insert superlative)...in pop."

barbara wintergreen, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

To return to the top of the thread, I still after 20 odd years gag on 'outreach' as a VERB....

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 30 December 2003 00:46 (nineteen years ago) link

the mightily empty "i could care less" variant on being unable to do the same

ermes marana, Tuesday, 30 December 2003 01:47 (nineteen years ago) link

one year passes...
People who pronounce the word "presentation" as "PRE-sentation".

J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:29 (seventeen years ago) link

since i was reading some VICIOUS anti- rachael ray sentiment last night and i'm still feelin' the love: "E.V.O.O. EXTRA VIRGIN OLIVE OIL"

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link

"YUM-O"

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:33 (seventeen years ago) link

cf.

gear (gear), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Also: 'fridge,'

Wait, huh? Fridge is the thing you put food in, whats wrong with it?

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Saying "it impacted on me" instead of "it had an impact on me"... well that's annoying enough but, just recently, I've heard people say "it impacted me" - which surely would only make sense if the speaker was a molar?

Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:10 (seventeen years ago) link

'fridge,'

I'm picturing him saying things such as "Would you like me to remove another beverage from the refrigerator for you, whilst we watch some association football?"

Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:29 (seventeen years ago) link

bougie, instead of bourgeois. heard it four times last week.

naus (Robert T), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:38 (seventeen years ago) link

"Chav"

Diddyismus (Dada), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:39 (seventeen years ago) link

bourgie?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 18 August 2005 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

No I got you & agree I was referring to Comic Book Guys rather than all readers but was too lazy to capitalise

piedro àlamodevar (wins), Saturday, 28 January 2023 17:38 (one week ago) link

Like, there is a long history of ilx0rz characterizing music by its purported fanbase - fratty douches in white hats, people who work in offices, people who drive minivans, blues dentists / blues dads / blues lawyers, etc

this is a plague in music criticism in general, i like to think of it as fake sociology standing in for fake music criticism, and yeah it’s dumb

the late great, Saturday, 28 January 2023 18:56 (one week ago) link

Tumblr wites

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW THE DIAPER GOT LOOSE (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 January 2023 18:57 (one week ago) link

it’s least bad i suppose when there’s a real understanding of the actual fanbase but i find that it tends to be based more on lazy stereotypes and social antagonism

the late great, Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:00 (one week ago) link

There is a lot going on here.

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:17 (one week ago) link

Before I found out that it was on the Index of ILX Film SnobsForbidden Words, I would have used Guilty Pleasure to mean something like “basically I like it, but I don’t feel like writing a PhD thesis defense to explain why.” But people don’t seem to want to accept this for various reasons.

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:21 (one week ago) link

One reason being that it could mean something else such as
A says: It’s a guilty pleasure of mine(translation: I like it even it is junk)
B says or thinks: I like it but I don’t think it’s junk at all, and I don’t appreciate you taste-slumming on my turf.

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:24 (one week ago) link

Or
A: It’s a guilty pleasure of mine (I like it but I am not sure if it measures up to your high standards)
B: I’m taking offense anyway because by not making a clearer assertion you have deprived me of a direct Who Is the Best Battle of the Bands discussion-style attack with which to tear you down, therefore I will attack you another way, for being weak-minded and noncommittal.

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:28 (one week ago) link

Co-worker or stranger’s tastes is yet another thing. Feel like there was once an article in the Onion about how Work Movie Friend Doesn’t Get Along With Regular Movie Friend that said a lot about this but haven’t managed to find it in recent times. See also the wonderful conversational opening gambit: “You like to read! What genre?”

The Big Candy-O (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:34 (one week ago) link

Again I return to a social and circumstantial and contextual aspect of taste.

Alone in my dorm room, I didn't want to hear "No Rain" ever. Dancing goofily with no shoes on while extremely high in an Illionoisan living room with the smartest woman I have ever met, it felt like the perfect song.

If I am trying to focus on writing a book review, I would probably skip past "Life is a Highway" or "Let's Hear it for the Boy," but heading to the beach with in a borrowed convertible, a historical reenactor that I just met, those are frickin bangers.

This is more of what I mean about the social dimension: it's not "I'm embarrassed to admit that I love Phil Collins," it's more like "there's a time for the Romantics and a time for Esperanza Spalding, and I am fine with that."

is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:42 (one week ago) link

* "with" is misplaced but you get the idea

is it milli vanilli or just a facsimile (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 28 January 2023 19:46 (one week ago) link

"...from (x) by way of (y)" <------ I feel like this is mis-used more often than not! Like...I'm from Michigan, by way of NYC...chronologically I began in MI and progressed to NY.

People often seem to use it as "I'm from a more recent place, by way of a past place" which I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. Nothing. It's nonsensical.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 28 January 2023 20:32 (one week ago) link

I'm positive it has been covered here, but I've been watching more tv lately, and it seems like every third television commercial uses the word "iconic" to describe their product

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 28 January 2023 22:43 (one week ago) link

iconic anthems: ibiza 2023 hot nights reloaded

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 29 January 2023 23:02 (one week ago) link

I'm positive it has been covered here,

one could say that it's an iconic annoying word

ꙮ (map), Sunday, 29 January 2023 23:15 (one week ago) link

Use of '101' to describe basic knowledge of a given subject - economics 101, flower arrangement 101, BDSM 101, shitposting 101, whatever. Bored of it.

“sonic canvas”

Tracer Hand, Monday, 30 January 2023 01:10 (six days ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/C6UX84P.png

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 January 2023 01:13 (six days ago) link

which isn't some pretentious bullshit like hypnagogic or hauntological (my nominations for thread)

― your original display name is still visible (Left), Friday, January 20, 2023 7:44 AM (one week ago)

do people even use those terms though? I mean, apart from that guy who wrote the article we all complained about like 15 years ago?

sarahell, Tuesday, 31 January 2023 10:29 (five days ago) link

really loving your most recent work, KM

budo jeru, Friday, 3 February 2023 00:23 (two days ago) link

lol

i should do sonic. he would not look nearly so smooth haha

Karl Malone, Friday, 3 February 2023 01:53 (two days ago) link

In the world of soccer media, people say 'Lacksadaisical'. Possibly they mean to spell it 'Laxadaisical'.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:21 (two days ago) link

I'm afraid I agree with the people who don't like 'guilty pleasure'.

I see that it's shorthand for saying something nuanced (as discussed above), like 'I like this though it's not usually my kind of thing', but I still think the phrase itself isn't really accurate enough.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:26 (two days ago) link

I was thinking yesterday about how 'guesstimate' is a bad neologism, because it mainly means 'estimate', a pre-existing word, or 'guess', another.

There could still perhaps be such a thing as a guesstimate, but the word probably doesn't get used precisely enough to denote that thing, and to justify its own existence.

Worse if someone says 'a rough guesstimate'.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:28 (two days ago) link

I now remember that a term that really does annoy me, that turns up in quite reputable places, is: "just a teeny bit".

"After an hour with him, you come to the conclusion that he might be just a teeny bit arrogant"

"The governmen't claims about Covid-19 response were just a teeny bit exaggerated"

(other variants could include tiny or even teensy)

If something were really only a teeny bit X, then that wouldn't really be worth remarking on, as it would be outweighed by other quantities. If the government's claims were just a teeny bit exaggerated, then they would be 99% accurate, which would be noteworthy and admirable. So what is meant must be "noticeably X", "considerably X".

The phrase must, then, mostly be heavily ironic in its use - it's not used to say "Y is a teeny bit X", but almost the opposite. But not all irony is helpful or makes for good communication. If people think that something is "somewhat X", "largely X", or "slightly X", then they should just say so.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 09:32 (two days ago) link

"Presser."

Please no. You have enough time to say "press conference."

forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2023 11:52 (two days ago) link

Do you take this line on all abbreviations?

Alba, Friday, 3 February 2023 12:25 (two days ago) link

No, just the ones I don't like for aesthetic reasons. De gustibus. It doesn't need to be a rigorous rubric.

forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 3 February 2023 13:08 (two days ago) link

Agree with poster Puffin - that word is idiotic.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:32 (two days ago) link

It further occurred to me that 'guilty pleasure', in a way, could really be a misleading transfer from more bodily pleasures.

What's genuinely a guilty pleasure for me? If I go to the cinema and buy a big bag of wine gums and eat them all - I feel compelled to eat them, but by the end, or hours later, I probably think - I shouldn't really have done that. The amount of sugar and fat and so on.

The same logically applies to drink: I could stop in a pub and down 3 pints of beer on the way home, and I'd enjoy it, but I would know I shouldn't really be doing this.

I don't think that sex is a guilty pleasure (it gives another person pleasure after all, which is a good start to not being guilty), but, not to be too indelicate, for some people masturbation could be in this category.

Whereas ... Is any culture or artistic experience really like that? If I enjoy a pop record I don't then think 'Now I feel guilty / dirty / unhealthy / irresponsible'. I just enjoy it, and no harm is done to anyone. And if it's a record that I think is crass and nasty (and thus a source of 'guilt') then I won't enjoy it anyway.

I'm afraid this unpopular meditation is off the thread topic.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:37 (two days ago) link

What's wrong with hauntological, exactly?

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 15:40 (two days ago) link

What's wrong with being hauntological?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/W3Qn1uHlRIY/hqdefault.jpg

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Friday, 3 February 2023 15:47 (two days ago) link

I
I want you
Hauntology

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 3 February 2023 20:35 (two days ago) link

'Hauntological' was never meant very seriously anyway - it was a Derridean pun for one lecture series, I'm not sure that Derrida himself even reused it subsequently, and people who first encountered it took it as a joke, albeit possibly one pointing to something serious.

Partly for that reason, I don't think the term's extended life has been a very good thing.

the pinefox, Friday, 3 February 2023 22:48 (two days ago) link

Feel like I should buy a book with hauntology in the title just to mess with you

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:37 (yesterday) link

Fortean Times now has a monthly hauntology column.. it seems to be mostly reviews of Ghost Box records

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:44 (yesterday) link

folk payola

Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:50 (yesterday) link

Listening to TalkSport soccer, which dreadfully advertises betting a lot, I realised that another genuine case of a "guilty pleasure" is gambling.

the pinefox, Saturday, 4 February 2023 15:18 (yesterday) link

cracking up at the idea of you listening to TalkSport! Gambling is like a drug but mostly is a guilt-free one if you can just keep winning, which unfortunately is quite hard to do.

calzino, Saturday, 4 February 2023 16:27 (yesterday) link

Calzino, we should get together for a Sam Matterface listening party. But turn off when it gets to Perry Groves.

the pinefox, Saturday, 4 February 2023 16:44 (yesterday) link

i hope you'm listening to Matterface ironically

don't think there's any way to bet except guiltily

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 February 2023 16:52 (yesterday) link

FWIW I don't like Matterface and think he's a bad development. Maybe the best to be said of him is that he produces strange phrases that are almost surreally gauche. Today he said something about Arsenal dreaming of special summer days.

OTOH, TBF, his comment 'The School of Science is capable of going nuclear' was actually fine, in the genre of absurd pre-prepared lines.

But if Calzino and I are to have a TalkSport party then it will probably have to involve him.

the pinefox, Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:00 (yesterday) link

i didn't realise he was on TalkSport tbf, i haven't listened to it in ages because of the ads and the overwhelming self-promotion

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:04 (yesterday) link

I'm a guilt-free gambler but my betting stakes are so small these days it hardly matters, every so often I'll win a grand or two and then very slowly give it them back to them with added interest.

lol I was checking if Hawskbee & Jacobs are still on TalkSport and it seems Hawksbee has recently been in trouble with HMRC over unpaid taxes. When I got my first fancy dab radio 20 years ago I went through a TalkSport period to my shame!

calzino, Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:09 (yesterday) link

I can remember one Christmas they had a recorded one-off discussion that was billed as some kind of intellectual heavyweights of TalkSport special! Who I think were James Whale, Mike Parry and someone else whom I can't remember.

calzino, Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:13 (yesterday) link

they're terrible for clickbait nonsense opinions, i assume they don't still employ Jamie O'Hara but he feels like about their level

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:16 (yesterday) link

Jamie O'Hara is still there, I believe.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:24 (yesterday) link

even better

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 4 February 2023 17:28 (yesterday) link

folk payola

lol

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 4 February 2023 18:00 (yesterday) link


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