"Use other words please."

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"Scribes": Tom, for goodness' sake! (He drinks, you know...)

mark s, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'problematic', 'de rieguer (?)', 'mainstream', 'pretentious', 'glitchcore', 'Your round,Geordie !'

Geordie Racer, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'oeuvres' - why ?

Mr. Apologetic, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Oeuvre": ulp, guilty! — tho not at ILM, I don't think, and (I hope) always in the service of gags like (the old ones are the best) the "oeuvre of Jive Bunny"... But you're right, Geordie. Out it goes.

mark s, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Blimey!"

Where did I use 'scribes'? I dread to think.

Glitch is better than squirm at least. I'm too fond of 'glacial' by half.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Glacial' is a very nice word, use it at every possible opportunity ("During sunday's match A.'s defense looked truely glacial." ;) IDM has to go though. I'm trying to cut the use of 'overrated'. Really.

Omar, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of "glacial", "ethereal" is another word that gets kicked around far too often when talking about 4ad and kranky label bands. I don't think there has been ever been a Cocteau Twins related piece of journalism that has ever refrained from using this word.

Not that I'm about to read them all to find out, but you get the idea...

Nicole, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Words I used to use a LOT which now make me squirm (I mean, er, no, squirm IS what I mean): provocative; radical; subversive

Revolutionary: I believe I was always already aware that this was a technical word, deployed by advertising agencies, to let you know that yr favourite supermarket product now came in packaging no longer cuboid, but TETRAHEDRAL! Yay.

Stunning: No it isn't. It's mildly amusing/surprising/diverting.

Ethereal: As noted over on Indie-a-Genre, this is now a corporate genre-name, acc. Tower records (i.e. like Reggae).

mark s, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

satire should never be referred to as either "biting" or "cutting."

i was thinking of this before the thread was posted, but now i've gone and forgotten all of them and, even worse, i've probably even used those examples in recent writing.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

pre-packaged: cuz I'm bored with necessary kneejerk defence of anyone this lands on (some of them probably ARE divs)

pretentious: salvageable, actually, provided we can make the old big world use it as unalloyed praise

mark s, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

On the thoughts page a while back I used "ruefully" twice in a sentence. It doesn't get much more embarrassing than that ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'Alternative' - this word is similar to the red cross painted on plague houses. From 15-year-old spazmo Green Day fans who say they like 'Alternative' music, to 'The 11 o'clock Show - The News Alternative', you just know its going to be cack of the highest order.

DG, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

'BONY'

Dixon , HARRY, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I was recently forced to rebuke an associate of mine for using the word "stylee" in all seriousness. I had thought this practice had passed into history, seen? Safe.

Tim, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorted.

mark s, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Surreal": just subbed an article in which the 'writer' used it THREE times in the FIRST THREE PARAS, basically to mean "ever so slightly odd" — I mean, I'm not a major fan of Aragon/Breton et al, cuz they had a careerist-hack dimension also etc etc, and I kind of like how this levels their pretensions, but but but [splutters off into his own zone again...]

mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

When I was subbing for a litawawy magazine we had a list of formulations which sent us scrambling for the red pen... top of the list (TOM!) was "luminous prose" - what, you can read it in the dark??

stevie, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually in this case the fanzine was punctuated with hand-stuck glow stars of the sort that were so popular among mid-90s kindercore types, so nyah ;)

But yeah, sorry.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

One I've always hated....schtick. Not sure where it started, although I associate its arrival with late 70's NME.

David, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not a major fan of Aragon/Breton et al, cuz they had a careerist-hack dimension also etc etc

Sorry? since when did converting to glum stalinism just as your first work becomes a cause celebre (Aragon) or just attacking everyone who ever helped or admired you in print, and refusing lucrative commissions from all the major french newspapers (Breton) constitute a hack dimension? perhaps you're getting mixed up with Salvador Dali?

Patterson, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Schtick I like because it conveys the predictability of the people it's applied to (major rock'n'pop stars, generally) quite nicely. I use it affectionately fairly often.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, "hack" not EXACTLY the best choice of words — the hacks are those present-day teachers-pet art crits and/or historians who sidle up to them so oozily-defensively.

But •assiduous• curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps: which I just seriously wanna get up between sometimes, and bugger about with. I tht of including Dali, but it wd have taken the heat off the others.

mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I see your point, Mark. I also see your point about how "surreal" is horribly over-used. But isn't the interesting thing about the "curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps" that they failed to fulfill their aims so miserably? Aside from under-read and fantastic, inspiring little books (Anthology of Black Humour, Paris Peasant) they were really only the creators of l'advertisement fou which, returning to the thread, is a coinage i sincerely hope never to see again.

Patterson, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"'Nuff said". Ew.

Tim, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

yes, I'll go along with "'nuff said". It really is one of the worst, isn't it?

x0x0

norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"et al"... "natch"...

stevie, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Anal.

I'm not sure what annoys me more: that it has become an ugly shorthand for 'anally retentive', or that it's only used in such a limited 'slag off' way, compared with the original Freudian sense. I'm not an expert on Freud, but I seem to recall an anally retentive character being about much more than alphabetising your CD collection and making lists.

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Po-faced. Is this a teletubbies reference or what?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I quite like "et al".

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Sampledelic" / "Sampladelic" (sorry Pete)

"myth" as in "the rock myth" - was about to use it in the Depeche/League thread and suddenly thought HOLD ON.

Tom, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"cheese" - it's such a boring metaphor and it doesn't even work.

Tom, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Correct again Tom, but maybe that's because I don't like erm...real cheese, so I don't like music getting associated with smell. I came across spiel again recently. As irritating as schtick.

Omar, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Rockist", especially when used to describe sounds, rather than a mindset.

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"mindset"

too easy and vague by half

Charlotte, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Hmmm, all right Charlotte. How about "ideas", then ?

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"......... on acid" - too broad, lazy

K-reg, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Dinosaur" has been driving me crazy for years: can't believe I forgot it before. Dinosaur meaning what? Lumbering, badly designed, fit for doom and extinction, and deserving of it? So why does absolutely everyone LOVE dinosaurs: dinosaurs are TOTALLY cool, if you're a kid OR if you're a scientist, from Barney to Ankylosaurus (which is like a souped-up tortoise with spikes round its neck like punk rock and a great club of bone at the end of its tail for wacking raptors with).

(Kid vs scientist: who'd want to be anything else anyway?)

Dinosaurs rooled! For 70 million years!! Badly designed? To get rid of them, the cosmos had to hurl a rock the size of Birmingham — at Mexico!!!

Also (somewhat related, tho not somewhat rock-related): "FAT CATS"

I'm sorry, excuse me, just HOW is this headline shortcut going to help stir up class rage against capitalism?

Cats are great, fat cats are bigger, thus better QED.

Might as well call 'em Honey Bunnies or Wonky Donkeys...

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

On this 'tip' ("tip"!):

"Chameleon" (Tanya made this point once but she nicked it off me or Pete) - David Bowie a rock chameleon i.e. ever-changing, unpredictable BUT chameleons blend into the background, so it's more like Soup Dragons-y bandwagon jumping AND the only colours they can do are various shades of dull green yellow and brown so 'unpredictable' is a bit off too.

Tom, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Macca" is totally unacceptable, even served dripping with sarcasm.

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Spawned: NO.

(And this word is doubly evil if used in the same sentence as "punk rock")

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"can you say ... ?" - as in "can you say 'manipulation of the media' ?" (just used on another thread)

Like, yeah, I can even *say* it with a nice French Canadian accent. Where did that stupid expression come from ?

Patrick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i think that particular bastard expression comes from mr.rogers, who would ask children if they could say the word he trying to teach them. it's now becomes lazy gen x shorthand for explaining a concept and i hate it.

ethan, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"wilfully perverse" - tautology, frequently used to describe electronica

K-reg, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jacko. Risible. Seminal. Words ending with 'core'.

Post Schmaltz should be used more often.

Steven James, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Post-Schmaltz-Core Revivalists?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
"That says it all": no it doesn't you lazy fuckwit retard. Do some work for a change and PERSUADE us.

mark s, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Thank fuck nobody uses "(x) is worth the price of admission" any more.

dave q, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Spot on Dave, that one's always irritated the fuck out of me as well.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

High school journalism, featuring "Beg, borrow, or steal" "Run, don't walk" "I want my eight bucks back" and "classic" or worse, "perrenial classic" for a group's first album or something. In fact, perrenial classic for anything!

1 1 2 3 5, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Does anyone remember a Chinese cooking expert (=chef) from early 80s? His apron said "wok, don't fry" . Yes, I know...

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (eighteen years ago) link

____ is usually 'reasons'

or 'communism'

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Monday, 1 April 2019 15:17 (one year ago) link

I feel like that was a cutesy Internet trend that has largely run its course?

get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Monday, 1 April 2019 15:32 (one year ago) link

The use of it as a clever and unexpected sentence structure has largely run its course.
The use of it as a lazy joke is probably years from petering out.

enochroot, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:43 (one year ago) link

Language is bad.

pomenitul, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:46 (one year ago) link

howard cosell used to call philadelphia eagles wide receiver harold carmichael (who at 6'8" was the tallest WR in NFL history) 'the angular one'

mookieproof, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:52 (one year ago) link

probably a topic for another less lawn-defensive thread but i'm intrigued how and why some usages pall and others just bed in for eternity w/o anyone minding

mark s, Monday, 1 April 2019 16:55 (one year ago) link

"most ambitious work to date"

bendy, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:41 (one year ago) link

For some reason "angular" to describe vaguely post-punk guitar riffs has never really bothered me. Yeah, it's a cliche, but I also know exactly what it means when someone uses it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:48 (one year ago) link

It's mentioned a bunch of times here, but "seminal" is the one that really bugs me. I always read as "this foundational work that was literally jizzed into existence."

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 18:52 (one year ago) link

my absolute least favorite is when musicians who are perpetual side players or have played with a lot of different bands are described as "promiscuous"
no.
and yes -- i am aware that the word can be used in a non-sexual way but according to the definitions i have found, all of them carry a vague to serious negative connotation.

demonstrating or implying an undiscriminating or unselective approach; indiscriminate or casual.
"the city fathers were promiscuous with their honors"
synonyms: indiscriminate, undiscriminating, unselective, random, irresponsible, haphazard, thoughtless, unthinking, unconsidered, casual, careless
"the promiscuous popping of antibiotics hasn't helped his T-cell count"
antonyms: careful, selective

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:03 (one year ago) link

"in-demand"?

mick signals, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:21 (one year ago) link

sure beats "promiscuous" and is more accurate

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:22 (one year ago) link

I've complained about this before but "kiss-off." not every breakup song is a sassy emoji!

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 19:30 (one year ago) link

The phrase "torturous path" is an indication that with 95% probability, the author doesn't realize there is a separate adjective "tortuous" meaning "twisting, turning, winding".

anatol_merklich, Tuesday, 9 April 2019 09:01 (one year ago) link

If cover blurbs are to be believed, every book of history is 'magisterial' and many history reviewers need to buy a thesaurus.

Oold Lunch (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 16 April 2019 01:39 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

The "artist / album does blank, blank, and blank—-sometimes all in the same song" construction really needs to go

Paul Ponzi, Saturday, 27 July 2019 11:14 (one year ago) link

Haha, paged away from this comment and immediately encountered your likely inspiration:
https://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/100-gecs-1000-gecs/

Feels like a pretty effective summation of the 100 gecs appeal in this instance, though.

what else are you all “over” (Champiness), Saturday, 27 July 2019 16:23 (one year ago) link

ick

budo jeru, Saturday, 27 July 2019 16:40 (one year ago) link

wouldn't mind never seeing "rootsy" again

del griffith, Saturday, 27 July 2019 21:20 (one year ago) link

“Closer to You” is all snarly synth bass, clattering trap percussion and processed vocals...

I’ve always disliked this particular cliché — “song x is all attribute attribute attribute...”

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Sunday, 4 August 2019 04:11 (one year ago) link

my absolute least favorite is when musicians who are perpetual side players or have played with a lot of different bands are described as "promiscuous"


ha ha, I’ve never seen it used but omg that’s terrible

60... 90... 120 Minute IPA (morrisp), Sunday, 4 August 2019 04:17 (one year ago) link

forgot what thread i'd opened and was struggling to tie that description to "Get Closer" by Seals and Crofts

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 4 August 2019 16:15 (one year ago) link

From the 'pitchfork is dumb' thread, this exchange made me let out an involuntary guffaw:


I am in favor of descriptions that describe the actual sounds, especially if they have points of reference — I’ve found old albums or bands to listen to that I hadn’t heard after reading a review of a new one I liked.

The reviewer should not, however, say that a song sounds “like artists X and Y had a baby”

― untuned mass damper (mh), Thursday, August 15, 2019 6:34 PM bookmarkflaglink

what if the baby took acid tho

― Οὖτις, Thursday, August 15, 2019 6:36 PM bookmarkflaglink

enochroot, Saturday, 17 August 2019 23:30 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

in the last few months I've been seeing people misuse (intentionally or unintentionally) "gaslighting" to mean a variety of things that are very far removed from gaslighting. People seem to be using it as shorthand for "you are disagreeing with me on this thing and I think you are a moron for having an opinion that is so obviously wrong". It's been misused that way on ILX on a few rare occasions. It was misused that way by butthurt Star Wars fans who were upset that John Boyega had the audacity to say that Reylo made no sense as a shipping. I saw two people arguing today about a festival lineup and one of the two accused the other of gaslighting because they suggested that the only reason they didn't like the lineup was because they were elitist and narrow-minded (???).

a lot of it seems to be thin-skinned people who can't bear to have their worldview challenged and weaponize it in an attempt to shut down the debate. it's frustrating because though we're a long way from it, like "fake news", it's a word that can easily be stripped of its meaning fast if certain bad actors repurpose it.

looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 January 2020 03:25 (eight months ago) link

“butthurt” is probably also a good word to avoid ;)

Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp), Saturday, 4 January 2020 03:30 (eight months ago) link

it's been imprinted within me after years of ILXing, old habits die hard.

looking for Mon in Alderaan places (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 January 2020 03:32 (eight months ago) link

trolling = disagreeing now, losing any sense of meaning it may have had

Sassy Boutonnière (ledriver), Saturday, 4 January 2020 06:19 (eight months ago) link

psychedelic

brimstead, Saturday, 4 January 2020 18:28 (eight months ago) link

Still better than 'on acid'.

pomenitul, Saturday, 4 January 2020 18:28 (eight months ago) link

Also i hate "OCD" used as shorthand for "I'm very tidy and don't like clutter".

I have mild OCD and yea that ain't it.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Saturday, 4 January 2020 18:45 (eight months ago) link

I really fucking hate the word "monetize" but it will be a useful indicator of who should be first in line for the gulags, so maybe I'll have to put up with it for a while.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 10 January 2020 11:38 (eight months ago) link

four months pass...

I sort of wish there was a better word for what people really mean when they say "nature," i.e. bucolic settings, outdoor space, greenery, fresh air. None of this is necessarily "nature." People even refer to farms as "nature" when they are very far from natural. "Nature" is often miserable and something to be escaped. A lawn with a small patch of woods behind it is as man-made as the house overlooking it.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:23 (three months ago) link

otm, i'm always trying to get architecture students to be more precise about this. pretty much everybody wants their building to "connect with the nature" but what exactly that means to you, and how you're going to do it architecturally, is a space of ten thousand possibilities.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:26 (three months ago) link

and, like, why it's supposed to be a good thing!

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 15:26 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

“project”

It’s an album or an EP. Why did this new term take hold?

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 22:30 (one month ago) link

Maybe someone told them “Use other words please.”

rob, Thursday, 13 August 2020 22:39 (one month ago) link

No fan/listener would say it — “Have you heard (artist)’s new ‘project’?” So why do artists use it?

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 22:42 (one month ago) link

i would have asked the same thing about the word 'artists' tbh

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 August 2020 22:53 (one month ago) link

make a certain sense from the artist’s pov tho - these days who knows in what form(at) the stuff you’re working on will see the light of day: mixtape? album? EP? or god forbid, only a few scattered singles or buzztracks?

whereas the fan/listener only sees the end product

plus projects are cool of course

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:16 (one month ago) link

isn't 'project' used to refer to it when its in its embryonic state, just to suggest that they're in the process of assembling the album/EP?

seems p harmless to me.

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:22 (one month ago) link

Nah, it’s used for the finished product: https://nypost.com/2020/08/07/victoria-monet-jaguar-interview-album-project/

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:32 (one month ago) link

i saw some great artists last night at brownie's. man, some really good performances. i can't wait to hear the new projects they're working on.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:35 (one month ago) link

I blame Alan Parsons

rob, Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:39 (one month ago) link

make a certain sense from the artist’s pov tho - these days who knows in what form(at) the stuff you’re working on will see the light of day: mixtape? album? EP?

this is otm

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:40 (one month ago) link

The line btw “mixtape” and “album” seems to have become blurred, but that’s another story.

Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:46 (one month ago) link

I was thinking about how people often start a follow-on sentence with ‘Indeed...’ when they’re writing but rarely when speaking. I’m not a fan, but indeed, it’s often a useful way to show your workings out

doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 14 August 2020 00:10 (one month ago) link

It makes sense with the likes of Ty Segall or Ethan Miller, who lead a few different bands at any given time. But for a specific release, no.

Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:04 (one month ago) link

I say "Indeed" in face to face conversations all the time. It's a very useful word.

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 15 August 2020 01:35 (one month ago) link

I don’t say “indeed” (in speech or writing) — though sometimes I do try to write using my “speaking voice,” and the language ends up sounding impoverished. Hemingway I’m not, I guess.

Get your filthy hands off my asp (morrisp), Saturday, 15 August 2020 01:49 (one month ago) link

OK, I laughed at it here. I guess she uses the term b/c it’s more than an EP, but less than an album?

https://i.imgur.com/vKnc67w_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

Get your filthy hands off my asp (morrisp), Saturday, 15 August 2020 05:37 (one month ago) link


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