"Use other words please."

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"Scribes": Tom, for goodness' sake! (He drinks, you know...)

mark s, Thursday, 12 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'problematic', 'de rieguer (?)', 'mainstream', 'pretentious', 'glitchcore', 'Your round,Geordie !'

Geordie Racer, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'oeuvres' - why ?

Mr. Apologetic, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Oeuvre": ulp, guilty! — tho not at ILM, I don't think, and (I hope) always in the service of gags like (the old ones are the best) the "oeuvre of Jive Bunny"... But you're right, Geordie. Out it goes.

mark s, Saturday, 14 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Blimey!"

Where did I use 'scribes'? I dread to think.

Glitch is better than squirm at least. I'm too fond of 'glacial' by half.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Glacial' is a very nice word, use it at every possible opportunity ("During sunday's match A.'s defense looked truely glacial." ;) IDM has to go though. I'm trying to cut the use of 'overrated'. Really.

Omar, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Speaking of "glacial", "ethereal" is another word that gets kicked around far too often when talking about 4ad and kranky label bands. I don't think there has been ever been a Cocteau Twins related piece of journalism that has ever refrained from using this word.

Not that I'm about to read them all to find out, but you get the idea...

Nicole, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Words I used to use a LOT which now make me squirm (I mean, er, no, squirm IS what I mean): provocative; radical; subversive

Revolutionary: I believe I was always already aware that this was a technical word, deployed by advertising agencies, to let you know that yr favourite supermarket product now came in packaging no longer cuboid, but TETRAHEDRAL! Yay.

Stunning: No it isn't. It's mildly amusing/surprising/diverting.

Ethereal: As noted over on Indie-a-Genre, this is now a corporate genre-name, acc. Tower records (i.e. like Reggae).

mark s, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

satire should never be referred to as either "biting" or "cutting."

i was thinking of this before the thread was posted, but now i've gone and forgotten all of them and, even worse, i've probably even used those examples in recent writing.

fred solinger, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

pre-packaged: cuz I'm bored with necessary kneejerk defence of anyone this lands on (some of them probably ARE divs)

pretentious: salvageable, actually, provided we can make the old big world use it as unalloyed praise

mark s, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

On the thoughts page a while back I used "ruefully" twice in a sentence. It doesn't get much more embarrassing than that ...

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'Alternative' - this word is similar to the red cross painted on plague houses. From 15-year-old spazmo Green Day fans who say they like 'Alternative' music, to 'The 11 o'clock Show - The News Alternative', you just know its going to be cack of the highest order.

DG, Tuesday, 17 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

'BONY'

Dixon , HARRY, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I was recently forced to rebuke an associate of mine for using the word "stylee" in all seriousness. I had thought this practice had passed into history, seen? Safe.

Tim, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Sorted.

mark s, Friday, 20 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Surreal": just subbed an article in which the 'writer' used it THREE times in the FIRST THREE PARAS, basically to mean "ever so slightly odd" — I mean, I'm not a major fan of Aragon/Breton et al, cuz they had a careerist-hack dimension also etc etc, and I kind of like how this levels their pretensions, but but but [splutters off into his own zone again...]

mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

When I was subbing for a litawawy magazine we had a list of formulations which sent us scrambling for the red pen... top of the list (TOM!) was "luminous prose" - what, you can read it in the dark??

stevie, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Actually in this case the fanzine was punctuated with hand-stuck glow stars of the sort that were so popular among mid-90s kindercore types, so nyah ;)

But yeah, sorry.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

One I've always hated....schtick. Not sure where it started, although I associate its arrival with late 70's NME.

David, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I'm not a major fan of Aragon/Breton et al, cuz they had a careerist-hack dimension also etc etc

Sorry? since when did converting to glum stalinism just as your first work becomes a cause celebre (Aragon) or just attacking everyone who ever helped or admired you in print, and refusing lucrative commissions from all the major french newspapers (Breton) constitute a hack dimension? perhaps you're getting mixed up with Salvador Dali?

Patterson, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Schtick I like because it conveys the predictability of the people it's applied to (major rock'n'pop stars, generally) quite nicely. I use it affectionately fairly often.

Tom, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

OK, "hack" not EXACTLY the best choice of words — the hacks are those present-day teachers-pet art crits and/or historians who sidle up to them so oozily-defensively.

But •assiduous• curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps: which I just seriously wanna get up between sometimes, and bugger about with. I tht of including Dali, but it wd have taken the heat off the others.

mark s, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I see your point, Mark. I also see your point about how "surreal" is horribly over-used. But isn't the interesting thing about the "curators of their own gallery-of-the-future post-revolution reps" that they failed to fulfill their aims so miserably? Aside from under-read and fantastic, inspiring little books (Anthology of Black Humour, Paris Peasant) they were really only the creators of l'advertisement fou which, returning to the thread, is a coinage i sincerely hope never to see again.

Patterson, Tuesday, 24 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"'Nuff said". Ew.

Tim, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

yes, I'll go along with "'nuff said". It really is one of the worst, isn't it?

x0x0

norman fay, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"et al"... "natch"...

stevie, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Anal.

I'm not sure what annoys me more: that it has become an ugly shorthand for 'anally retentive', or that it's only used in such a limited 'slag off' way, compared with the original Freudian sense. I'm not an expert on Freud, but I seem to recall an anally retentive character being about much more than alphabetising your CD collection and making lists.

Nick, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Po-faced. Is this a teletubbies reference or what?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

I quite like "et al".

Robin Carmody, Thursday, 26 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Sampledelic" / "Sampladelic" (sorry Pete)

"myth" as in "the rock myth" - was about to use it in the Depeche/League thread and suddenly thought HOLD ON.

Tom, Friday, 27 April 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"cheese" - it's such a boring metaphor and it doesn't even work.

Tom, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Correct again Tom, but maybe that's because I don't like erm...real cheese, so I don't like music getting associated with smell. I came across spiel again recently. As irritating as schtick.

Omar, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Rockist", especially when used to describe sounds, rather than a mindset.

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"mindset"

too easy and vague by half

Charlotte, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Hmmm, all right Charlotte. How about "ideas", then ?

Patrick, Tuesday, 1 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"......... on acid" - too broad, lazy

K-reg, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Dinosaur" has been driving me crazy for years: can't believe I forgot it before. Dinosaur meaning what? Lumbering, badly designed, fit for doom and extinction, and deserving of it? So why does absolutely everyone LOVE dinosaurs: dinosaurs are TOTALLY cool, if you're a kid OR if you're a scientist, from Barney to Ankylosaurus (which is like a souped-up tortoise with spikes round its neck like punk rock and a great club of bone at the end of its tail for wacking raptors with).

(Kid vs scientist: who'd want to be anything else anyway?)

Dinosaurs rooled! For 70 million years!! Badly designed? To get rid of them, the cosmos had to hurl a rock the size of Birmingham — at Mexico!!!

Also (somewhat related, tho not somewhat rock-related): "FAT CATS"

I'm sorry, excuse me, just HOW is this headline shortcut going to help stir up class rage against capitalism?

Cats are great, fat cats are bigger, thus better QED.

Might as well call 'em Honey Bunnies or Wonky Donkeys...

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

On this 'tip' ("tip"!):

"Chameleon" (Tanya made this point once but she nicked it off me or Pete) - David Bowie a rock chameleon i.e. ever-changing, unpredictable BUT chameleons blend into the background, so it's more like Soup Dragons-y bandwagon jumping AND the only colours they can do are various shades of dull green yellow and brown so 'unpredictable' is a bit off too.

Tom, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"Macca" is totally unacceptable, even served dripping with sarcasm.

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Spawned: NO.

(And this word is doubly evil if used in the same sentence as "punk rock")

mark s, Wednesday, 2 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"can you say ... ?" - as in "can you say 'manipulation of the media' ?" (just used on another thread)

Like, yeah, I can even *say* it with a nice French Canadian accent. Where did that stupid expression come from ?

Patrick, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

i think that particular bastard expression comes from mr.rogers, who would ask children if they could say the word he trying to teach them. it's now becomes lazy gen x shorthand for explaining a concept and i hate it.

ethan, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

"wilfully perverse" - tautology, frequently used to describe electronica

K-reg, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Jacko. Risible. Seminal. Words ending with 'core'.

Post Schmaltz should be used more often.

Steven James, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Post-Schmaltz-Core Revivalists?

Sterling Clover, Thursday, 3 May 2001 00:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

six months pass...
"That says it all": no it doesn't you lazy fuckwit retard. Do some work for a change and PERSUADE us.

mark s, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Thank fuck nobody uses "(x) is worth the price of admission" any more.

dave q, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Spot on Dave, that one's always irritated the fuck out of me as well.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

High school journalism, featuring "Beg, borrow, or steal" "Run, don't walk" "I want my eight bucks back" and "classic" or worse, "perrenial classic" for a group's first album or something. In fact, perrenial classic for anything!

1 1 2 3 5, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

Does anyone remember a Chinese cooking expert (=chef) from early 80s? His apron said "wok, don't fry" . Yes, I know...

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 25 November 2001 01:00 (sixteen years ago) Permalink

you guys would put john oliver out of business

chicken lit (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:25 (one year ago) Permalink

"...if that makes sense."

i'm really good at this one

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:29 (one year ago) Permalink

music writers saying a song is 'all x and y'

i'd like to yell everyone about this one though

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:30 (one year ago) Permalink

Xxxpost ooh, good point! let's also add asides of the form '' --- and this is true ---''. been losing potency ever since dave barry wasn't making things up 25+ years ago.

Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:32 (one year ago) Permalink

"for white people" is gross, both in it implication about white people and non-white people

punksishippies, Wednesday, 17 August 2016 19:32 (one year ago) Permalink

two months pass...

"blew us away"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 08:32 (one year ago) Permalink

three months pass...

"batshit insane"

had a great run, truly wonderous, but now it's time to fucking stop

sleepingbag, Sunday, 19 February 2017 18:43 (nine months ago) Permalink

"tasty," in general, but especially for describing music. just visceral skin-crawling ick

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 20 February 2017 21:50 (nine months ago) Permalink

i like it for describing a situation that has just gone from bad to worse

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2017 22:04 (nine months ago) Permalink

"i wouldn't go out there, miller - it's gotten pretty tasty in the last hour"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 20 February 2017 22:05 (nine months ago) Permalink

visceral skin-crawling ick

― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, February 20, 2017 4:50 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 20 February 2017 22:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

I thought "bonkers" is the new "batshit insane".

MarkoP, Monday, 20 February 2017 22:40 (nine months ago) Permalink

What if… certain journalistic clichés merely mirror the hackneyed musical material under review?

pomenitul, Monday, 20 February 2017 22:53 (nine months ago) Permalink

haha katherine ok

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 09:14 (nine months ago) Permalink

Some riffs are tasty and that's all there is to it I'm afraid.

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:27 (nine months ago) Permalink

I have to say I can kind of identify, the person i know who uses that word the most is a kind of posh dude who makes my skin crawl in a number of other ways. I think I like it because it's so exotic to my American ears..

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 11:47 (nine months ago) Permalink

"stripped back"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 6 March 2017 09:29 (nine months ago) Permalink

"copious amounts" - why does this phrasing shit me so much?

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 03:08 (nine months ago) Permalink

it's very "I just finished my sixth-grade vocabulary lesson"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 03:11 (nine months ago) Permalink

everything counts, in copious amounts

larry appleton, Tuesday, 7 March 2017 03:12 (nine months ago) Permalink

buttloads is way better

“Remember,” he says, “Noddy Holder is a gangster.” (contenderizer), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 04:31 (nine months ago) Permalink

It's like copious is already an amount, so it's like saying "excessive amounts amounts" maybe.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 05:30 (nine months ago) Permalink

"a myriad of" when you can just say "myriad"

or drop the preciousness a bit and just say "many"

or if you want to be extra precious go with "divers and sundry"

may all your memes be dank (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 March 2017 13:36 (nine months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

"what's not to like"

mark s, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 19:37 (seven months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

"frothy"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 21:30 (five months ago) Permalink

had hoped one of dan savage's redeeming factors would be to remove that from the non-ironic lexicon

sick, fucking funny, and well tasty (katherine), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 21:40 (five months ago) Permalink

santorum has def ruined 'frothy' forever

cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 21:40 (five months ago) Permalink

simultaneous santorum

cast your vote for fully automated gay space luxury communism (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 21:41 (five months ago) Permalink

dumpster fire
garbage fire
fire

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 21:44 (five months ago) Permalink

huh those are both totally different from the contexts I was thinkingof - music criticism (Pfork on Katy Perry's "frothy pop") and financial/market analysis ("tech stocks are getting a little frothy lately")

I guess my distaste is because it does have this animalistic sexual connotation, like frogs mating

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 21:45 (five months ago) Permalink

My brother in law refers to beers as "frothies" and it makes my hands clench and unclench.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:34 (five months ago) Permalink

dumpster fire
garbage fire
fire

YES! These make me want to jump out a window. Also "garbage person," "trash person," etc.

flappy bird, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 22:48 (five months ago) Permalink

In regards to guitar effects pedals: "creamy." Usually used to describe distortion or fuzz pedals.

Just, no.

Austin, Wednesday, 14 June 2017 23:09 (five months ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

'cockwomble' really needs to fuck off right about now

Shat Parp (dog latin), Thursday, 6 July 2017 08:07 (five months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

if there's one word that shd have a prison-term attached it's "wondrous"

(prison-term for me not unlikely: i want to slap writers who use it, even and esp.when they are ppl i otherwise have time for)

mark s, Thursday, 24 August 2017 09:24 (three months ago) Permalink

only should be used by evil wizards when describing cursed delicacies they are tempting our heroes with

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 August 2017 11:34 (three months ago) Permalink

*must not post Jon Anderson on this thread*

Wewlay Bewlay (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 August 2017 11:36 (three months ago) Permalink

i too hate wondrous

clouds, Sunday, 3 September 2017 22:01 (three months ago) Permalink

one month passes...

what do people mean by "vibey" wrt music? i know what a vibe is, but vibes can be anywhere, on any spectrum

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 15:50 (two months ago) Permalink

I don't know if I've heard/seen that, but it reminds me of 'evocative' in its lack of specificity.

the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:02 (two months ago) Permalink

it means it's got a lot of bass, man

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:11 (two months ago) Permalink

Roy Ayers and Bobby Hutcherson and the like

IF (Terrorist) Yes, Explain (man alive), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:13 (two months ago) Permalink

its a dance thing

drugs

brimstead, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:14 (two months ago) Permalink

Sounds like I could use a refresher course in vibeology.

the scarest move i ever seen is scary move 4 (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:20 (two months ago) Permalink

v-i-b-e-ology

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:33 (two months ago) Permalink

i have no idea what vibey means

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:33 (two months ago) Permalink

evocative sounds otm

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:33 (two months ago) Permalink

paging Milt Jackson to thread

P as in pterodactyl (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:36 (two months ago) Permalink

I agree with the vibe spectrum assessment. I would probably infer "vibey" to mean laid back and stoned - lots of reverb, modulation, synths. I don't think I've ever read this term in context though, so god knows.

how's life, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:40 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm hearing it everywhere

rip van wanko, Tuesday, 10 October 2017 16:44 (two months ago) Permalink


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