US Politics, June 2024: "Have there ever been this many cowards in power?"

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Have at it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 1 June 2024 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

no, I think the answer is no (ty Scott)

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 1 June 2024 17:42 (two weeks ago) link

Good afternoon!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2024 17:43 (two weeks ago) link

The cowardice is there, but I think it's that the GOP is now irremediably tied to the voters who love Trump and utterly reject any head of the party who respects legality or the democratic process, the voters who believe they are the only people who have rights or should have any power. Without those voters the GOP would be reduced to a fulminating rump. They could never muster a majority in either chamber of Congress or win a presidential campaign.

The GOP leadership knows this very well and they will never forsake Trump no matter how corrupt or embarrassing he is, because Trump holds the keys to their continuing power. Things will change only if the GOP self-destructs and must rebuild from the ashes.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 1 June 2024 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

One byproduct of current reality is that the people with the greatest wealth and power in the USA are now heavily committed to creating as many voters as possible who embrace completely anti-democratic and authoritarian means to power, as long as it denies power to anyone they despise. As has been frequently pointed out, up until the 2000 election and Bush v Gore, the veneer of respect for democracy was carefully preserved beneath code words and euphemisms. Now the GOP voters demand the pure product with no watering it down.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 1 June 2024 18:35 (two weeks ago) link

the GOP is now irremediably tied to the voters who love Trump and utterly reject any head of the party who respects legality or the democratic process, the voters who believe they are the only people who have rights or should have any power. Without those voters the GOP would be reduced to a fulminating rump. They could never muster a majority in either chamber of Congress or win a presidential campaign.

I would argue that very soon because of those voters, the Republicans will be reduced to a fulminating rump. Because those people are not a majority, or anywhere close to it. They're about 25% of the electorate.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 1 June 2024 18:53 (two weeks ago) link

For convenient reference, I'll sneak in a link to the previous thread, during which Trump was convicted of 34 felony counts in NY state:

US Politics, May 2024: They Shoot Puppies, Don't They?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 1 June 2024 19:24 (two weeks ago) link

Most of you probably don’t care but Politico seems to be subtly transitioning into “paid subscriber” territory - certain articles now launch a sub-window imploring readers to enter information.

something that concerns me is that there does seem to be an ongoing GOP project to make things dumber, they're constantly trying to cut into school budgets and social programs and libraries, makes me wonder if they just straight up think an electorate of idiots will keep voting for them

frogbs, Monday, 3 June 2024 13:20 (one week ago) link

Yes?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 June 2024 13:20 (one week ago) link

An electorate a Christian idiots to be exact

Heez, Monday, 3 June 2024 13:25 (one week ago) link

ok I guess I should say obviously they've always been this way but it does feel they're being way more explicit about it recently, just the nonstop attacks on education and getting real weepy about student loan debt forgiveness with this attitude that just shows utter contempt for anyone who actually went to college

frogbs, Monday, 3 June 2024 13:29 (one week ago) link

Frogbs, yes - I think that’s definitely in play.

Social media, man. Twenty years ago they would've met in a rural McDonald's over coffee or listened to a FOX News loudmouth on a Saturday afternoon show.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 June 2024 13:41 (one week ago) link

I think the Internet was one of the most incredible things for humanity ever and social media one of the worst.

Blogs and forums that used to go deep into particular niche areas have been replaced by - effectively nothing.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 3 June 2024 13:44 (one week ago) link

the comments sections took over

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 3 June 2024 13:52 (one week ago) link

I lived around the block from Newbury College back in my teen years.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 June 2024 13:59 (one week ago) link

yeah the thing with social media/the internet is you're able to be plugged in every waking hour, so it's real easy to update the talking points and marching orders in real time. like all the chuds now complaining about Trump's trial are zeroed in on some very specific things, whereas in the past those viewpoints would be reserved for those who watched 2-3 hours of FOX News a night. I don't think you'd get a guy like Trump if there weren't an all-encompassing apparatus around to instantly teach these guys exactly how to defend every bigoted or boneheaded thing he does.

frogbs, Monday, 3 June 2024 14:00 (one week ago) link

social media has basically just become a vehicle for inflammatory rhetoric to spread like wildfire when previously it spread more like a common cold. that and has turned everybody into their own little press secretaries

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 June 2024 14:06 (one week ago) link

and this is what you wind up with

Greene: Mr. Fauci. You’re not a doctor. You’re Mr. Fauci.

Fauci:..

Greene: I don’t need your answer. He doesn’t deserve to have a license. He belongs in prison! pic.twitter.com/BaGacYZ1vT

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 3, 2024

frogbs, Monday, 3 June 2024 16:50 (one week ago) link

Someone please feed her to the wolves

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:07 (one week ago) link

even for her this is wild

Greene: You know what this committee should be doing? We should writing a criminal referral because you should be prosecuted for crimes against humanity. You belong in prison Dr. Fauci pic.twitter.com/Td023Cv3M7

— Acyn (@Acyn) June 3, 2024

frogbs, Monday, 3 June 2024 17:08 (one week ago) link

xpost Why would you wish that upon those poor wolves

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:09 (one week ago) link

Hey Marge, just FYI, an undiagnosed personality disorder is not actually a personality.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:12 (one week ago) link

If I were Fauci I would’ve moved to Spain or something by now

Those MTG clips are disgusting.

clemenza, Monday, 3 June 2024 17:41 (one week ago) link

I don't have a system for measuring this, but I do think she's even more reprehensible than Trump. Possibly more dangerous, too, if she ever acquired real power--not sure whether she'd inspire the same irrational devotion.

clemenza, Monday, 3 June 2024 17:44 (one week ago) link

she won't ever acquire real power or inspire any devotion near that level

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:46 (one week ago) link

"You belong in prison" is going to be very popular with Republicans for next 6 months at least

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 3 June 2024 17:57 (one week ago) link

Oh I’m sure it will be, but I got to figure more than a few are afraid they bark too loud that some of their squirrelly “legal” deals they have done might flip into indictments.

Got to figure you start looking there is a whole lot of greasy deals out there that if given a real look probably could end in some legal jeopardy for some legislators.

You got to be pretty much a gold brick falling out of your luggage to get in any real problems.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Monday, 3 June 2024 18:07 (one week ago) link

OK, so the Chinese made COVID-19 in a lab. And? So what? What does it change? If they did, then it's a bioweapon. If so, why didn't Donald Trump protect us from this weapon? Cut off trade to China? Declare war? It's so stupid.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 June 2024 18:22 (one week ago) link

i think we should all come together to look at what NYT thinks of the proceedings and then adopt a position that isn't theirs

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Monday, 3 June 2024 18:30 (one week ago) link

speaking of, I knew Newsweek was bat shit but boy!

https://i.imgur.com/B1zZ3cZ.jpg

Dan Perry, lookit your doppleganger.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 June 2024 18:33 (one week ago) link

Robert J. Mcwhirter and Juan P. Villasmil are probably AIs

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 3 June 2024 18:43 (one week ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jun/03/biden-close-mexico-border-immigration-executive-order

Joe Biden will this week sign an executive order to temporarily close the southern US border to asylum seekers in a sharp political U-turn aimed at winning support on a key voter concern in a presidential election year.

The US president is expected to sign the order as early as Tuesday to seal the border with Mexico to migrants when numbers of asylum claimants rise above a daily threshold of 2,500.

Mayors of several US border cities are expected to be present in the White House for Biden’s announcement.

Biden’s move echoes a similar approach adopted by Donald Trump in 2018 when he was president and reverses his one-time philosophical opposition to his predecessor’s hostility to migrants. When he was a presidential candidate, Biden denounced Trump’s policy, saying it upended decades of US asylum law.

rob, Monday, 3 June 2024 19:29 (one week ago) link

Remove all age requirements and let's declare this kid president by acclamation (feel free to turn the sound off; the speech is empty-headed bullshit):

So sorry I was slow responding to your email, I was tied up watching this over and over again pic.twitter.com/1MT81CS440

— Aaron Fritschner (@Fritschner) June 3, 2024

That seems like a fucking stupid move to me

I might try to be more temperate but Newsweek was a cornerstone of my childhood and I’m absolutely livid about what it’s become, let alone the changeling in their bylines making me look like shit by association

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2024 19:34 (one week ago) link

Sorry that was xp to rob

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Monday, 3 June 2024 19:35 (one week ago) link

yeah now more than ever, and even from a purely cynical electoral view, I don't see much to be gained by the Dems moving rightm especially on asylum/immigration -- they're basically just legitimating it as a crisis and then looking slow & weak in their response.

rob, Monday, 3 June 2024 19:39 (one week ago) link

I'm a pretty staunch leftist, but I'm not a "Biden and Trump are the same" person, mostly because I was an immigrant to the US and later a naturalized citizen and I'm aware of Trump & Miller's violent & horrific goals. But Biden straight-up adopting Trump border policy is disconcerting, to put it mildly.

How about instead of announcing this policy, they spend a few weeks talking about how Trump is a felon? idgi

rob, Monday, 3 June 2024 19:43 (one week ago) link

the answer is always: they saw some polling

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Monday, 3 June 2024 19:47 (one week ago) link

xpost

They're doing that, too; this is from today:

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:ilyxejcmhg2qwqomgu2umi5v/bafkreiekvi66wxf2dpgqikwxitycujwaprwftfqvbhxqfstbvue4w2tf5e@jpeg

In case the image doesn't render, it reads:

"Breaking Point": Trump Reups Promise of Violence

Vows of violence are not a bug, they are a feature of Donald Trump's extremism.

Consumed by his own rage and thirst for revenge, convicted felon Donald Trump is teeing up political violence, threatening the Constitution, and pitting Americans against one another.

Trump has excused the violence on January 6, promised to be a 'dictator' on 'day one,' bragged about and been found liable for sexual assault, called violent neo-Nazis 'very fine people,' told the Proud Boys to 'stand back and stand by,' and warned of a 'bloodbath' if he loses this November.

This unhinged man cannot be our president.

IIRC, Trump tanked a bill that would have done the same thing earlier this year.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2024 19:52 (one week ago) link

many xp

haha at that c-span video

Dan S, Monday, 3 June 2024 19:53 (one week ago) link

Yeah but at least if that shit bill passed they could tout some bipartisan BS xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 3 June 2024 20:00 (one week ago) link

I think that's exactly why Trump made noises to tank it!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 June 2024 20:00 (one week ago) link

I don't know what that image is unperson, so I'm unaware of what they're "doing" in terms of disseminating that message (is that an ad? an email?), though I agree with all those points. I do think they should be leaning harder on the felon thing in that list, cuz right now it's front page news that Biden is "sealing" the border in obvious mimicry of unhinged extremist Donald Trump.

Ned's point makes it clear to me that the border exists in/as political myth at this point, so playing along with the GOP narrative is confounding

rob, Monday, 3 June 2024 20:06 (one week ago) link

otm

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 14 June 2024 16:38 (yesterday) link

oh, they have some ideas

Republicans are obsessed with attacking gay people and banning Drag Shows, but won’t ban Marjorie Taylor Greene showing porn in committee hearings. Drag is not a crime – it’s art. pic.twitter.com/DI4QJYvpVO

— Congressman Robert Garcia (@RepRobertGarcia) June 13, 2024

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 16:41 (yesterday) link

convicted felon donald j. trump

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 June 2024 17:00 (yesterday) link

lol debate prep:

The Trump team used its time Thursday talking about how to push back on those attacks and to respond to questions about Jan. 6, including if Mr. Trump were asked about pardoning the rioters who entered the building, one of the people briefed on the meeting said.

One idea discussed was suggesting that Mr. Biden presents his own threat, which Mr. Trump has said publicly since last year. But specifics of that discussion included focusing on the crisis at the border, the prosecutions against Mr. Trump — who was criminally convicted in Manhattan last month — and government censorship of free speech.

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 17:16 (yesterday) link

lol

“Joe Biden is allowing garden gnomes to flourish in the Midwest. Vote Trump, and no more gnomes. MAGA!”

I will laugh if Trump mentions the Twitter Files

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 17:22 (yesterday) link

I’m counting on the debate being full of deep Dark Web conspiracy bullshit from him, and Biden’s expression of bewilderment becoming a plus

Trump can't help himself. He will be talking about election workers flown in from Venezuela with balloons full of votes in their rectums

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 17:36 (yesterday) link

One thing I don’t understand is the right’s obsession with Venezuelan immigrants, contrasted with their embrace of Cuban immigrants. I would think the Republicans would make hay about how these people are fleeing the evil left-wing Venezuelan regime and that’s why Socialism doesn’t work, etc. I suspect the answer is “racism” though.

Gigi Allen (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 14 June 2024 17:48 (yesterday) link

if i'm biden at the debate a few weeks hence: are you more pounds overweight than you have felony convictions, you billionaire you?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 June 2024 17:58 (yesterday) link

“Careful there, Donald - you don’t wanna violate your parole”

(I’m sure he’s not on parole per se, Biden should still say it)

i 100% don't understand why biden would debate trump. i wouldn't want to be in the same room with him if i were Biden. he should just say: "I don't debate traitors to the country. Trump is a dark sticky stain on our nation that will takes years of infrastructure spending to clean up." case closed! god bless ameeircka!

scott seward, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:02 (yesterday) link

you make him real if you debate him. he's legit again. fuck that.

scott seward, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:03 (yesterday) link

Maybe Biden has a really good zing he's dying to use

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:04 (yesterday) link

Biden should debate Trump simply to allow the world to see how unhinged the former guy has become, in prime time, to be reminded of why he should never be running anything ever again

Obviously all the standard things should be said - yes to democracy, I’m going to rescue your right to abortion, etc etc - but mostly Biden is there to play the straight man and break the fourth wall a couple times

"I can't believe I'm losing to this guy."

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:09 (yesterday) link

they need to do ads of just snippets of trump talking during rallies. that oughta do it. if you want to show people how nuts he is. nobody watches them anymore. people have no idea.

scott seward, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:13 (yesterday) link

i 100% don't understand why biden would debate trump. i wouldn't want to be in the same room with him if i were Biden.

Normally, I'd be with you on this (how do you argue with someone that batshit), but in my world as a political hack for municipal progressive Dems, the running convo is that there's still a decent-sized chunk of voters who are convinced that neither Biden nor Trump will actually be on the ballot, so Biden pushing for an early debate serves as a way to counter that narrative

Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:19 (yesterday) link

I think the conventional wisdom is Biden wants this debate because “he is losing”.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:20 (yesterday) link

convicted felon donald j. trump is desperate to debate before his sentencing trial

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:26 (yesterday) link

Biden needs to harness the energy of his social media team for these last few months

the democrats need to make sure shameless republican state legislatures don't throw the election to convicted felon donald j. trump

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:29 (yesterday) link

feel like it's Trump who should be trying to avoid it - Biden has a reputation as being old and senile so when he sounds halfway decent it actually impresses people, meanwhile I don't think it's really sunk in yet just how much Trump has declined since 2016, when he's off prompter he's not only nonsensical he's also really unpleasant

frogbs, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:30 (yesterday) link

News flash: Cubans hate Cuban immigrations.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:30 (yesterday) link

cubans hate convicted felons like donald j. trump

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:31 (yesterday) link

“You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, ‘That's the bad guy’.”

A So-Called Pulitzer price winner (President Keyes), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:44 (yesterday) link

sermon on the mounting GDP. blessed be the silver spoons, for they shall stab the camel with the eye of the needle, amen

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:47 (yesterday) link

caek otm. if Biden were comfortably leading in the polls, then it would be a different story. the debate is an opportunity for Biden to counter the pro-Trump/anti-Biden narratives setting in among the electorate and exceed people's expectations (as he did with the SOTU).

jaymc, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:48 (yesterday) link

I mean look at this shit, the media wants him back BAD

Donald Trump made a triumphant return to Capitol Hill on Thursday, his first with lawmakers since the Jan.6, 2021 attacks, embraced by energized House and Senate Republicans who find themselves reinvigorated by his bid to retake the White House. pic.twitter.com/UqSA7hnz1J

— The Associated Press (@AP) June 13, 2024

frogbs, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:51 (yesterday) link

can he have a comfortable return to the dust from whence he came

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:51 (yesterday) link

Biden needs to harness the energy of his social media team for these last few months

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings),

Can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not

Heez, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:54 (yesterday) link

I'm kind of convinced that the reason Biden won in 2020 was because all the narratives about him being old and doddering were vanquished by his debate performances, not because they were particularly brilliant but because he was simply normal and able to engage like an actual human being. If he can do the same this time around, I think the result will be the same. Obviously he's older but I really don't see him as someone who has lost a step in any significant way compared to 2020.

omar little, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:58 (yesterday) link

Not that Trump being the worst human being on Earth and the whole covid thing didn't play a part. Should also be mentioned that more people are aware now that Trump is perhaps significantly worse than we thought he was in 2020.

omar little, Friday, 14 June 2024 18:59 (yesterday) link

"Will you shut up, man?" secured him several million votes.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2024 19:02 (yesterday) link

and a bra flung on stage

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 June 2024 19:03 (yesterday) link

that was my mask, sorry

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 June 2024 19:06 (yesterday) link

I’m not being sarcastic at all! He needs to be kind of a dick. (Not happy about the coarsening of our politics, but for whatever reason, swing voters need you to be somewhat jerky to catch and hold their attention, or so it seems.)

I mean look at this shit, the media wants him back BAD

I feel like this is something everyone knows, but still somehow doesn't get emphasized enough. Nearly the entire media landscape is absolutely salivating at the prospect of Trump back in the White House. They want it so bad. It's why you see approximately 345 "Biden old and doddering" articles a week, while Trump being effectively the same age and clearly 100x the doddering fool sees almost nothing.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 14 June 2024 19:27 (yesterday) link

Even by his standards, Trump looks awful in that AP thumbnail.

Yeah, if flop sweat cost Nixon the '60 election, Saddlebags 2Coups is in for it during the hot summer debates.

henry s, Friday, 14 June 2024 20:00 (yesterday) link

Swampass cost Trump the election

Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 June 2024 20:03 (yesterday) link

The absence of a live audience at the first debate is gonna be deadly for Trump. When there's dead silence after every asshole thing he says, he's gonna melt like a caramel apple dropped on asphalt.

Here, have some garbage. "Donald Trump has never come close to winning the popular vote, but he totally could do it this time, you guys!"

why bother with conspiracy theories when you can just read the actual news?

"The U.S. military launched a clandestine program amid the COVID crisis to discredit China’s Sinovac inoculation – payback for Beijing’s efforts to blame Washington for the pandemic. One target: the Filipino public. Health experts say the gambit was indefensible and put innocent lives at risk."

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/

scott seward, Friday, 14 June 2024 21:22 (yesterday) link

Well, our brief golden age of fact-checking was nice while it lasted. Turns out truth hurts.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/06/14/stanford-internet-observatory-disinformation-research-lawsuits-politics/

The collapse of the Observatory is the latest and largest in a series of setbacks for the community of researchers who try to detect propaganda and explain how false narratives are manufactured, gather momentum and become accepted by various groups. It follows Harvard’s dismissal of misinformation expert Joan Donovan, who in a December whistleblower complaint alleged that the university’s close and lucrative ties with Facebook parent Meta led the university to clamp down on her work, which was highly critical of the social media giant’s practices.

I’m not being sarcastic at all! He needs to be kind of a dick. (Not happy about the coarsening of our politics, but for whatever reason, swing voters need you to be somewhat jerky to catch and hold their attention, or so it seems.)

― Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, June 14, 2024

I 100% agree but I read some article about their social media team and it did not build confidence. I believe the final graf said something about hiring an influencer to record a video of themselves dancing to Kendrick on the White House lawn while Biden accomplishments scrolled across the screen

Heez, Saturday, 15 June 2024 13:56 (two hours ago) link

Misusing your influence

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 June 2024 14:22 (two hours ago) link


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