US Politics, July 2024 - "Will you just drop out, man?"

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what a year June was

perpetually awkward, perennially unhappy (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 July 2024 14:14 (two weeks ago) link

Turn on, tune in, drop out

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 1 July 2024 14:17 (two weeks ago) link

thought this was a good piece by Tim Miller refuting the arguments made by what he calls "the This Is Fine crowd":

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/dear-dems-gaslighting-isnt-helping-biden-debate

jaymc, Monday, 1 July 2024 14:50 (two weeks ago) link

And on the other end of the anti-Trump spectrum, the lefty podcasters at Know Your Enemy are also on the Biden's-gotta-go bus:

https://know-your-enemy-1682b684.simplecast.com/episodes/joes-gotta-go-teaser

Biden's support at this point seems to be entirely concentrated within the White House and DNC. You could say he's ... increasingly isolated.

whenever anyone is "huddled" at Camp David with other people its not a good sign.

scott seward, Monday, 1 July 2024 16:22 (two weeks ago) link

Especially when it's with Annie Leibovitz.

Huddling is bad for your back.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2024 16:30 (two weeks ago) link

Cuddling preferred

145 feet up in a Jeffrey Pine (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 1 July 2024 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

how did we get to this point

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 July 2024 16:54 (two weeks ago) link

Hope he does this soon:

Biden, who has ducked tough interviews and avoided no-holds-barred press conferences, is now considering both. Look for a town hall or big one-on-one interview this month.

I don't imagine it going well, but I'd love to be proven wrong. Either way, better before the convention than after.

the possibility of relaxing (Eazy), Monday, 1 July 2024 16:55 (two weeks ago) link

lotta factors here but James Comey deciding to put his thumb on the scale in service of Trump (who would fire him a few months later) was a pretty major one

frogbs, Monday, 1 July 2024 16:56 (two weeks ago) link

if Hillary is president, she maybe doesn't get re-elected in 2020 as the Republican controlled Senate is blocking key legislation to help with COVID recovery that they voted for under Trump. but SCOTUS is either 5-4 left leaning or at the very least, 5-4 right leaning, and we're not in this mess. it's infuriating.

perpetually awkward, perennially unhappy (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:07 (two weeks ago) link

how did we get to this point

by being ideologically pure and strategically idiotic. should never have challenged trump in court, for one thing. not with this court.

Thus Sang Freud, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:10 (two weeks ago) link

yeah I mean who knows if Hillary wins maybe we get Trump in 2020 instead. maybe this was all baked in the moment he started winning primaries. I don't know. I'm just so despondent right now. I really did not think they were gonna do it.

frogbs, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:13 (two weeks ago) link

Clinton would never have gotten Garland (or anyone) on the Court.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:14 (two weeks ago) link

yep. mccain said as much

a (waterface), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:18 (two weeks ago) link

ted kennedy shouldn't have died, obama should have compromised even harder with the healthcare industry, and scott brown should not have been so irresistibly sexy to massachusetts voters

z_tbd, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:20 (two weeks ago) link

idk, I really don't think they woulda stonewalled for four years. feel like whipping ability would have been harder after a third straight Presidential loss, would might have embittered some less ideologically 'pure' Republicans in the Senate.

RBG, otoh, they would have stonewalled using similar Garland logic.

xpost McCain was one dude.

perpetually awkward, perennially unhappy (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:22 (two weeks ago) link

“If Hillary Clinton becomes president, I am going to do everything I can do to make sure four years from now, we still got an opening on the Supreme Court,” North Carolina Sen. Richard Burr said in an audio recording of his meeting with GOP volunteers on Saturday. CNN obtained a copy of the audio.

a (waterface), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:26 (two weeks ago) link

still don't think they would have made it all four years stonewalling a nom.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

just pointing that out for people saying what if Hilary won

a (waterface), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

i love how we're gaming out alternate shitty pasts. this is grim!

z_tbd, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

hilary is not and was never going to save us--that's my point here

a (waterface), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:29 (two weeks ago) link

good thing that isn't what I said! the current SCOTUS scenario only happens under Trump.

perpetually awkward, perennially unhappy (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

eh you said mccain was one dude and dude it's way more than one dude

a (waterface), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

Where’s Some Dude when you need him?

(I kid)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

if hilary won

if Nader hadn't spoiled Bush/Gore (I don't think Nader spoiled Bush v Gore)

etc etc

a (waterface), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:32 (two weeks ago) link

Some Dude to thread!

haha! x-post

scott seward, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

Some Dude has been posting on the Tom Petty thread if you need him.

scott seward, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

any major ILX dude will tell you

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:33 (two weeks ago) link

Honestly, I anticipate martial law and civil war in my lifetime. I want neither and am not happy about it.

But reading David Brooks’ interview with Steve Bannon in the Times this morning, there was something that Bannon said that struck me as 100 per cent correct.

This is spiritual warfare, and those of us who value humanity need to start acting like it. This is about seeing people as siblings, about increasing connection and joy within our communities, and about proselytizing to those who don’t see things this way that life is better when it is lived in compassion for and faith in others.

I know I am often a crabby motherfucker who gets on all of your nerves, but all of my haranguing and testiness has a lot to do with these views. We are fighting against forces that would have us divided, starved, dead, but I believe many who follow this bleak line of thinking are persuadable and might see the light, particularly given how bleak their own lives must be.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:40 (two weeks ago) link

In any case, good luck USA

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:41 (two weeks ago) link

You could say he's ... increasingly isolated.

irl lol

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

This is spiritual warfare, and those of us who value humanity need to start acting like it. This is about seeing people as siblings, about increasing connection and joy within our communities, and about proselytizing to those who don’t see things this way that life is better when it is lived in compassion for and faith in others.

These are the best tenets of Christianity, and it comes naturally to me as a longtime non-believer to hold myself to those tenets. So, OTM on the merits. A genuine lol if Bannon told Brooks he believes in compassion for and faith in others.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:50 (two weeks ago) link

he said this:

"What we should be doing is cutting the number of foreign students in American universities by 50 percent immediately, because we’re never going to get a Hispanic and Black population in Silicon Valley unless you get them into the engineering schools. No. 2, we should staple an exit visa to their diploma. The foreign students can hang around for a week and party, but then they got to go home and make their own country great."

scott seward, Monday, 1 July 2024 17:54 (two weeks ago) link

This isn’t what Bannon said to Brooks

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2024 17:56 (two weeks ago) link

We are fighting against forces that would have us divided, starved, dead, but I believe many who follow this bleak line of thinking are persuadable and might see the light,

I think there's a fundamental truth in this, all people are more pliable and less rigid than they might appear, even if only marginally, and its better to err on the side of assuming so rather than assuming not, where possible

anvil, Monday, 1 July 2024 18:00 (two weeks ago) link

As horrible as Clinton is, she wouldn’t have rolled over and played dead (sorry-“reaching across the aisle”) for 8 fucking years like Obama did

beamish13, Monday, 1 July 2024 18:33 (two weeks ago) link

there is a metaphor I like to remind myself of from time to time: right before a star dies, it gets really big and bright and powerful

I kinda feel this way with America's right... the demographic/urbanization shifts are inevitable, but they're not gonna go down without a fight

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 1 July 2024 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

I can’t believe Biden still isn’t even pushing harder on marijuana legalization. It’s a winning issue with Republicans, even, you goddamn idiot

beamish13, Monday, 1 July 2024 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

"This isn’t what Bannon said to Brooks"

that quote was from the interview in the nyt.

scott seward, Monday, 1 July 2024 18:45 (two weeks ago) link

the demographic/urbanization shifts are inevitable

the notion that these shifts will naturally favor the Democratic party is the weirdest white liberal fantasy and I've been hearing it for so many years -- this'll sort itself out, the bad guys are on their last legs, they're getting their licks in before they're obsolete. actually the bad guys are remarkably adaptable, and have made considerable inroads with the very demographics that Democrats think of as "theirs"/"ours." Any person who makes less than six figures a year is voting against their interests when they vote (R), but the Republicans have done a great job getting votes from those very people. indeed there will be many demographic shifts in the years to come, but to take those votes as tallied is a grave error imo. one I wholly expect the (D) establishment to make!

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 1 July 2024 18:48 (two weeks ago) link

i was replying to alfred and xposted by accident, apologies for confusing scott!

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 1 July 2024 18:49 (two weeks ago) link

lol I got confused too

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2024 18:51 (two weeks ago) link

JCLC otm

perpetually awkward, perennially unhappy (Neanderthal), Monday, 1 July 2024 18:52 (two weeks ago) link

the notion that these shifts will naturally favor the Democratic party is the weirdest white liberal fantasy and I've been hearing it for so many years -- this'll sort itself out, the bad guys are on their last legs, they're getting their licks in before they're obsolete. actually the bad guys are remarkably adaptable, and have made considerable inroads with the very demographics that Democrats think of as "theirs"/"ours." Any person who makes less than six figures a year is voting against their interests when they vote (R), but the Republicans have done a great job getting votes from those very people. indeed there will be many demographic shifts in the years to come, but to take those votes as tallied is a grave error imo. one I wholly expect the (D) establishment to make!

As they say in Brazil, "money makes you whiter."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 1 July 2024 18:53 (two weeks ago) link

See: most people fleeing Venezuela, Columbia, and Cuba to South Florida.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 July 2024 19:00 (two weeks ago) link

So Costa's the Biden direct channel basically.

Andrew Bates is knocking down everything he sees on Twitter, saying no no no no not gonna happen. Maybe Biden's really gonna make it a public fight, there's been this tacit assumption that at some point he gets it and folds but obviously he doesn't have to do that. And the longer he drags on, the more factious the party gets, the pro-Biden people who are left are starting to get super defensive (a lil bit MAGA) and it all seems bad. I think it's megalomaniacal for Biden not to step aside at this point, but the race isn't short on megalomaniacs.

I just don't see what path he sees here — everybody walks back everything they've said and they have a huge celebratory convention and it's all hunky dory? I guess when he sees himself at the center of all that, he just doesn't/won't see himself as he is, and doesn't understand what a fantasy it is. Just boomer narcissism on a large scale. (I know, not "boomer," but really he is.)

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 July 2024 01:38 (six hours ago) link

Just boomer narcissism on a large scale

yup

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 19 July 2024 01:40 (six hours ago) link

What if it turns out that Joe and Jill stay up every night digging for the treasure buried under the White House, and they need at least another 10 months to reach it?

Jersey Devil Vance (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2024 01:41 (six hours ago) link

imagine if he got to the convention speech and starts talking about Housing Secretary Carville and UN Ambassador Bill Haley... at that point you can't walk it back

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 19 July 2024 01:43 (six hours ago) link

he had one job (the debate)

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 19 July 2024 01:47 (six hours ago) link

all he had to say was "it's been four years and you still won't shut up"

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 19 July 2024 01:48 (six hours ago) link

Foreign policy experts who have publicly supported President Joe Biden are circulating a petition among former national security officials who have worked under him, saying he should step down as the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate for the good of the country.
“With the deepest appreciation for your many decades of inspired leadership, we strongly believe that ongoing concerns surrounding your continued candidacy and the growing likelihood of an electoral college victory for Donald Trump put your national security accomplishments ― and our country and your legacy ― at an unacceptable level of risk,” reads the letter they intend to send, which HuffPost viewed a copy of on Thursday evening.

Jersey Devil Vance (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2024 01:58 (six hours ago) link

Better to pull the bandaid off before this gets (even more publicly) embarrassing

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:00 (six hours ago) link

Basically Pelosi figured out Donilon was the one feeding Biden hopium-spiked poll results, and leaked it out.

Once it was proven that there really was bad info in the inner circle, that gave everyone else confidence in their own eyes. The emperor really was naked. https://t.co/cznv2gvfOH

— Michael Lin, MD PhD 🧬 (@michaelzlin) July 18, 2024

Jersey Devil Vance (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:05 (six hours ago) link

What if it turns out that Joe and Jill stay up every night digging for the treasure buried under the White House, and they need at least another 10 months to reach it?

Starring Nicolas Cage

Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:13 (six hours ago) link

#Still RidingWithBiden2024 l pic.twitter.com/dpbjpXEkLA

— Dolly Madison ✌🏻🌻 🟦 (@dollymad1812) July 19, 2024

symsymsym, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:17 (six hours ago) link

xp Ulysses Grant's Confederate Gold.. saw a History Channel show about this

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:17 (six hours ago) link

kid rock is bringing the house down.

scott seward, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:21 (six hours ago) link

I just don't think Democrats are the issue. People who identify as Democrats are going to vote for the Democratic nominee whether it's Biden, Harris, Gavin Newsom, or Claire McCaskill riding a little donkey. The question is what are independents and possible non-voters going to do.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:22 (six hours ago) link

jared and ivanka totally look like the undead.

scott seward, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:22 (six hours ago) link

Well there goes the zombie vote, great.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:24 (six hours ago) link

hulk hogan, dana white, kid rock, eric trump, and tucker carlson. man, that is some brain trust of a speaker lineup.

scott seward, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:24 (six hours ago) link

Tucker to help with the critical undecided Deadhead vote

https://imgb.ifunny.co/images/6a6061b82598e63f53fc64326606fd9d48aea568920835b76f3c5a528d6d4005_1.webp

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:26 (six hours ago) link

XP Guest Stars From The Worst Love Boat

New Drake meme

trump just kissed a dead man's fire helmet.

scott seward, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:47 (five hours ago) link

Someone will absolutely go through this speech tomorrow and post a poll on here. Early favourites: "Bullets flying over us, yet I felt serene," "And there was great, great sorrow," "Once my clenched fist went up..."

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:48 (five hours ago) link

Any of you who watched that shit should spend a week in the woods doing some serious reflection on what you're doing with your life.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:56 (five hours ago) link

Oh, please.

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:57 (five hours ago) link

Jfc It’s not that serious xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 19 July 2024 02:58 (five hours ago) link

One thing people love is when you brag about how brave you were

Jersey Devil Vance (President Keyes), Friday, 19 July 2024 03:07 (five hours ago) link

He began by somberly saying that this would be the only time he'd ever talk about the shooting--going to take a wild guess he doesn't hold to that.

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:10 (five hours ago) link

I personally like guys who didn't get shot by an ostensible supporter...

I'm not watching but I got a CNN news alert saying "Trump Takes the Throne" and that sounds about right.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 July 2024 03:28 (five hours ago) link

It's just weird and meandering. He really is terrible at speech-making. Also seems to be given from a place of complacency, like the election's won, which could be a good starting point for Harris.

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:37 (four hours ago) link

glad he managed to get hannibal lecter in there...

scott seward, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:40 (four hours ago) link

11:01 PM EDT
Steve Contorno
Trump hints at the future he has put before JD Vance as his hand-picked heir to the MAGA movement. "He's going to be with us for a long time," he says.

11:03 PM EDT
Jeff Zeleny
As Trump introduces Vance to the crowd, Vance can be seen saying: "Thank you sir," putting his hand over his heart.

omar little, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:43 (four hours ago) link

Trump has been talking for an hour and just hit the second of "two things" he's going to do as President...

— Sam Seder (@SamSeder) July 19, 2024

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:48 (four hours ago) link

xp
"Senator, I scorned Donald Trump, I reviled Donald Trump, Donald Trump was an enemy of mine. Senator, you are no Donald Trump."

nickn, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:49 (four hours ago) link

hulk hogan, dana white, kid rock, eric trump, and tucker carlson. man, that is some brain trust of a speaker lineup.

― scott seward, Friday, 19 July 2024 02:24 (one hour ago) link

imagine that's the best "celebrity" lineup you can rollout and somehow you're still leading the polls.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 19 July 2024 03:53 (four hours ago) link

All the Silicon Valley crypto creeps are in on Trump. This is probably how the country actually falls apart lol. Just straight-up rug-pulled.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 July 2024 03:54 (four hours ago) link

Agree with David Axelrod: that was the first good news that the Democrats have had in weeks. It was really bad--and the longest acceptance speech ever at 1:32.

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 04:20 (four hours ago) link

imagine that's the best "celebrity" lineup you can rollout and somehow you're still leading the polls.

― Western® with Bacon Flavor

i uh. don't actually know folks who put a lot of weight on what celebrities spoke at the convention when polled. like i don't think trump is leading in polls because of his decisive majority among the hulkamaniac demo.

Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 19 July 2024 04:20 (four hours ago) link

Daniel Dale re the difficulty or not of fact-checking Trump

Appreciate it but honestly not - because he’s told almost all of those lies before.

Trump is hardest to fact check because of the extreme volume of false claims but easiest to fact check because he does the same false claims dozens of times over years. https://t.co/H78VglxUEY

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 19, 2024

curmudgeon, Friday, 19 July 2024 04:28 (four hours ago) link

The speech was terrible, I just hope it doesn't gum up Biden leaving. A friend who monitors Twitter says there's lots of pro-Biden "told you so" going on (as in, Joe can beat this guy easily).

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 04:55 (three hours ago) link

Why isn't he then?

Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 19 July 2024 05:05 (three hours ago) link

An interesting Bluesky thread:

Marshall has way better sources than I do so this may be happening. I remain concerned that changing nominees does far more damage than good. Also, would take extraordinary coordination by Dems, donors, and media operations. I don’t think the thumb sucking babies behind this push are capable of it.
I mean, you can’t credibly poll on this. Word would leak and now you have Harris polling on a coup to unseat Biden or like he has lost his own campaign’s confidence and then he can make no other decision than to step aside, but can’t do it in a dignified way that preserves the campaign’s strength.

So you go in blind. And even if you *had* polling, it means very little. This has never happened before, so who knows how anyone reacts really. What people *say* they’d do in polls is often not what really happens. Not that people lie, they just really don’t know!

For all that this is a large donor revolt, those asses leak to the press so much that you cannot even subtly pull those folks aside and ask what they might do if maybe somehow some day this and that might possibly transpire. It’d be all over every paper in 3 seconds. See above re: undignified.

And the there’s no guarantee that the media attacks stop. If you concede weakness and take him off the ticket, how can you still assert that Biden is fit to remain as President? (I think he can do both, btw). The same stories will hit. But because of Our Dumb Constitution he can’t resign!

He could maybe take the out of writing a 25A letter so Harris serves as Acting President until his COVID clears up or something else, and she can still preside over the Senate (and EC count), but now this news cycle never really dies down.

But maybe it just never dies down! What I wish is that people settled down after the debate, decided Trump was a fascist and Project 2025 a perfect way for Dems to campaign without leaning on the White House nominee if they don’t want to, and just pack the story away. But that isn’t happening.

As Marshall says, whatever happens next will require immense coordination and have to be handled with exquisite delicacy to keep the campaign on track. Nothing about this last month makes me think the folks at the center of it can handle that. So I really wish we wouldn’t go down that road.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, July 18, 2024 12:11 PM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

literally burst out laughing reading this

brony james (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 July 2024 05:05 (three hours ago) link

Why isn't he then?

otm.

The question is not whether Trump is a bad or beatable candidate, he is definitely one and should be the other. But you have to actually beat him.

Blitz Primary (tipsy mothra), Friday, 19 July 2024 05:11 (three hours ago) link

I’m trying to imagine being a denizen of some bizarro dimension where josh marshall is a sort of sage figure whose delayed reckoning with reality causes a wide crisis of confidence

brony james (k3vin k.), Friday, 19 July 2024 05:12 (three hours ago) link

Why isn't he then?

Agree totally, it's just getting Biden to realize that--and noise like that could interfere with him getting there.

clemenza, Friday, 19 July 2024 05:24 (three hours ago) link

a perfect way for Dems to campaign without leaning on the White House nominee if they don’t want to

How does not leaning on the White House nominee help that nominee beat Trump? Isn’t that supposed to be the goal?

Bluesky appears to give people some serious brain worms.

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 19 July 2024 05:33 (three hours ago) link

I'd vote for this lady.


unperson……. welcome to the KHive

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Friday, 19 July 2024 07:41 (fifty-three minutes ago) link

Too many planets have aligned by now. I feel like the decision must have already been taken and the rest is just facade and letting the media have its fun and they are now working on doing it in a way that amplifies the chances of Harris.

Nabozo, Friday, 19 July 2024 07:45 (forty-nine minutes ago) link


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