Rolling Obituary Thread 2023

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New year, new passings...

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 1 January 2023 15:57 (one month ago) link

Roll away the stone!

A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 1 January 2023 16:00 (one month ago) link

last post on the previous thread:

Jeremiah Green of Modest Mouse

https://pitchfork.com/news/modest-mouse-drummer-jeremiah-green-dies-at-45/

wonderful drummer. earlier modest mouse was instantly recognizable, even during instrumental sections, and Green's drumming was a huge part of that.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 1 January 2023 16:11 (one month ago) link

Gangsta Boo

The Beatles were the first to popularize wokeism (President Keyes), Sunday, 1 January 2023 23:09 (one month ago) link

Just saw this on FB, but the 2022 thread is locked:

https://i.imgur.com/bOKywKE.jpg

ArchCarrier, Monday, 2 January 2023 08:39 (one month ago) link

I'm not spotting the late Col Harkness from NWoBHM Quo-worshippers Spider in there, but maybe I need to look harder

this country's had enough of exports (Matt #2), Monday, 2 January 2023 10:18 (one month ago) link

Earth, Wind and Fire Drumming Prodigy Fred White Dead at 67

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/earth-wind-and-fire-fred-white-dead-obit-1234655162/

nickn, Monday, 2 January 2023 20:47 (one month ago) link

"A child prodigy who began drumming at age nine before going on to earn his first gold record at the age of 16 for his work on Donny Hathaway’s Live — which made Rolling Stone’s list of 50 greatest live albums of all time"

nickn, Monday, 2 January 2023 20:48 (one month ago) link

Rally car driver and stunt driving sensation Ken Block, killed in snowmobile accident

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 04:36 (one month ago) link

From Katharine Hepburn’s 1981 interview with Barbara Walters:

Hepburn: “I have not lived as a woman. I have lived as a man…I’ve just done what I damn well wanted to and I made enough money to support myself. And I ain’t afraid of being alone.”

Walters: “Is that why also you wear pants?”

Hepburn: “No, I just wore pants because they’re comfortable.”

Walters: “Do you ever wear a skirt, by the way?”

Hepburn: “I have one.”

Walters: “You have one.”

Hepburn: “I’ll wear it to your funeral.”

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 11:37 (one month ago) link

That's up there with:

rip barbara walters thank you for giving us one of the best interview moments of all time pic.twitter.com/nKmYEd1Ppv

— matt (@mattxiv) December 31, 2022

Alba, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 11:44 (one month ago) link

incredible

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 11:51 (one month ago) link

Amazing.

A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 11:56 (one month ago) link

Alan Rankine of the Associates.

hamicle, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 12:07 (one month ago) link

Oh no, surely not?

Aw naw, no' an Antonioni wan oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 12:27 (one month ago) link

Shit - that's a bad one.
Also
Kelly Monteith, who I haven't thought about in a very long time.

woof, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 12:29 (one month ago) link

One of those terrible channels on Freeview should show Kelly Monteith's shows again, I bet they'd stand up a lot better than Hale & Pace or whatever rubbish they are showing.

Aw naw, no' an Antonioni wan oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 12:37 (one month ago) link

As a small child it was one of those adult shows I'd sometimes see and always desperately want to see again.

woof, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 12:39 (one month ago) link

Alan Rankine confirmed. Fantastic musician, responsible for some of the greatest records ever made.

Aw naw, no' an Antonioni wan oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 12:53 (one month ago) link

Is the silly rabbit thing a reference to that one breakfast cereal, what's it called again?

A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:11 (one month ago) link

yes, anyone born after 1969 knows the allusion

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:16 (one month ago) link

My wife tells me that when she was a child, Trix commercials struck her as needlessly cruel. The rabbit just wanted some cereal. It would have been harmless to let him have some.

Immodest Moose (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:32 (one month ago) link

Your wife otm

Les hommes de bonbons (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:39 (one month ago) link

How did she feel about the way The Roadrunner treated Wile E. Coyote?

A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:40 (one month ago) link

My wife tells me that when she was a child, Trix commercials struck her as needlessly cruel. The rabbit just wanted some cereal. It would have been harmless to let him have some.

― Immodest Moose (Ye Mad Puffin),

but the sugar

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 14:47 (one month ago) link

ugh, alan rankine.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:03 (one month ago) link

Damn sad loss. I really appreciated how his teaching work and the creation of the Electric Honey label helped to pay things forward; even if I'm not a fan of acts like Belle & Sebastian and Snow Patrol, it's still good mentorship he provided.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 15:16 (one month ago) link

Apollo 7 astronaut Walt Cunningham, 90. Wrote a pretty good tell-all about his NASA years The All-American Boys

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 22:45 (one month ago) link

RIP. Think that's one of the few nose cone histories I haven't read.

A Kestrel for a Neve (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 3 January 2023 23:00 (one month ago) link

Worth checking out and iirc doesn't hold back on much of the behind the scenes politicking going on among the astronauts. Cunningham only flew once - he had the misfortune of having Schirra as his Apollo 7 commander. Try to get the second edition with a lot of typo/content fixes.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 3 January 2023 23:58 (one month ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2023/jan/03/tom-karen-designer-of-raleigh-chopper-and-marble-run-dies-aged-96

I met Tom Karen at a work event several years ago. He was squirrelish in his curiosity and kind in his conversation. It was before we had our son; I wish I could have told him the hours of joy our marble run has brought us.

Madchen, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 08:40 (one month ago) link

Roger Kean, co-founder of classic UK 8-bit games magazines Crash and ZZAP 64:

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/zzap64-magazine-and-crash-magazine-cofounder-roger-kean-has-died

Agnes, Agatha, Germaine and Jack (Willl), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 13:22 (one month ago) link

Fay Weldon.

put a VONC on it (suzy), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 13:25 (one month ago) link

West Ham head honcho and one half of the 'Dildo Brothers' David Gold, 86

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/04/david-gold-joint-chairman-west-ham-dies-at-86

this country's had enough of exports (Matt #2), Wednesday, 4 January 2023 14:11 (one month ago) link

Cue champagne popping all over Newham

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 15:03 (one month ago) link

Lise Nørgaard, journalist, memoirist, and creator of the utterly brilliant and legendary-in-Scandinavia TV series Matador.

anatol_merklich, Wednesday, 4 January 2023 15:57 (one month ago) link

Wow. I had no idea he was ill. RIP.

Aw naw, no' an Antonioni wan oan noo an' aw (Tom D.), Friday, 6 January 2023 10:15 (four weeks ago) link

Seeing on Facebook that Michael 'Wavelength' Snow has died

Ward Fowler, Friday, 6 January 2023 10:19 (four weeks ago) link

Fucking hell Vialli that's terrible

hiroyoshi tins in (Sgt. Biscuits), Friday, 6 January 2023 10:35 (four weeks ago) link

Yup seeing Michael Snow on twitter as well.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 January 2023 11:21 (four weeks ago) link

RIP Gianluca, awful news

o shit the sheriff (NickB), Friday, 6 January 2023 13:13 (four weeks ago) link

Kenyan LGBT activist Edwin Chiloba

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/06/africa/kenya-edwin-chiloba-lgbt-activist-death-intl/index.html

StanM, Friday, 6 January 2023 16:27 (four weeks ago) link

Character actor Earl Boen, best know for his role as the psychiatrist in the Terminator movies.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/earl-boen-actor-in-the-terminator-movies-dies-at-81/ar-AA163iun

Liz D. (Eliza D.), Friday, 6 January 2023 20:41 (four weeks ago) link

xp
rip Luca. he along with cavani are my benchmarks for what 'good movement' at the centre forward position should look like.

oscar bravo, Friday, 6 January 2023 21:25 (four weeks ago) link

Vialli was kinda weirdly important to me -- when I finally got a chance to follow UK club football on any sort of regular basis via the Fox Sports two hour weekly show they had (or whatever network it was on) in the late 90s, Vialli was doing his Chelsea run, and he quickly became a favorite of mine via the various post-game interview clips thanks to his good humor and approach to it all. Between him and Pierluigi Collina let's hear it for the bald Italians.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 January 2023 21:45 (four weeks ago) link

xps

fucking horrific

Edwin Chiloba was an amazing human. He was bold, passionate, his energy was immaculate. He embodied fashion. Someone murdered him cruelly, put his body in a box & dumped his body.

Edwin we speak your name. May yr blood not spill for nothing. Stop killing queer people. pic.twitter.com/aSgwyTSqnM

— Njeri Wa Migwi™ (@NjeriWaMigwi) January 5, 2023



RIP Edwin Chiloba

the shaker intro bit the shaker outro in the tail, hard (breastcrawl), Friday, 6 January 2023 21:48 (four weeks ago) link

Heh. Mrs. Redd has often referred to Colina as “Squidward” due to his purported resemblance to a certain cartoon co-worker.
(xp!)

Farewell to Evening in Paradise (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 6 January 2023 21:49 (four weeks ago) link

Did Cindy Williams ever express she wished she had that life? We celebrate the people who were, not the people who could have been

mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 03:56 (three days ago) link

That's a good question, and I don't know. She surely wouldn't have while L&S was on the air; a hit TV show had a momentum all its own. What she thought twenty or thirty years later, who knows? I hope I've been clear that I think the film world's condescension to TV stars in the '70s was really unfortunate. There were so many amazing TV stars around then who were just partitioned off and not really given the chance to move back and forth like people do now.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:03 (three days ago) link

Ron Howard and Penny Marshall knew they'd never get out from under their iconic characters, so they wisely turned to directing instead.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:05 (three days ago) link

I mean, the other reason people jumped to television was predictable schedules, less fluctuation in pay, and the ability to have a family. I have no idea if that was the case, but the stars-in-eyes writer idea of what the stars of stage and screen are owed kind of clunks against reality if you read enough interviews

I had a coworker while I was still in college who was on the football team, and people would ask him if he wanted to go pro, etc, and he had a completely grounded answer that his knees would die in two years, he could go to Europe and do that league briefly, but he’d pay for it. Sometimes people are very canny in understanding exactly what their choices entail and you’re not them, where nor when

mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:08 (three days ago) link

Ron Howard rolled through several iconic roles

mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:09 (three days ago) link

I just read up on her a bit--curious about this now--and part of why she left the show was because she was pregnant and the show's producers weren't happy about that; sounds like she got screwed over. The fact that she auditioned for Star Wars and also did the sequel to American Graffiti suggests to me that a movie career was something she was at least interested in, even if not an obsession. She seemed to do a fair number of TV movies.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:18 (three days ago) link

From an online interview, undated:

JL: Moving from comedy to drama, I went back recently and watched the episode you did on “Law & Order SVU” in which you played an evil woman who was trying to kill her little granddaughter. You also played serious roles in such films as “The Conversation” with Gene Hackman. Do you prefer doing drama over comedy, or wish you had done more?

CW: I’d like to have played more middle of the road parts, but I didn’t have a chance because no one was going to cast me after “Laverne & Shirley”. I remember going up for this big part, and I went in, and the producer said, “I’d love to cast you, but I can’t. You’re just too recognizable as Shirley Feeney.” And it’s the truth, and I understand that. Look, it’s a blessing that I got to play that character and it became so popular with people, so I never regret that.

http://www.tvparty.com/70-cindy-williams.html

Which is exactly what I'd expect: she loves the show because it was fun and people loved it and it made her rich (?) and famous, and she'd never criticize it, but that there was this other part of her that was very visible in those two movies that she was never given the chance to explore. That's all. I'm not criticizing her, not criticizing anyone who loves L&S, just saying there was another side there that I saw and that was important to me.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 04:25 (three days ago) link

Just saw something on Friendbook about a pretty big deal writer who was a fan of hers and wanted to write a film role for her but it didn't work out.

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 05:26 (three days ago) link

And not that this kind of career-defining-TV-role problem has disappeared. James Gandolfini never got out from under Tony Soprano (he was great in Nicole Holofcener's Enough Said, which got very little attention), ditto Jon Ham and Don Draper. But at least now TV stars have easier access to big film roles. (I wish Elizabeth Moss hadn't kept going so long with The Handmaid's Tale. She should have won a couple of Academy Awards by now.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 05:35 (three days ago) link

Didn't expect to see a weird derail about someone's awkward designs on Cindy Williams' career opportunities after not visiting the thread for a few days. La Lechera and mh otm. She had (small) roles in Coppola and Lucas films, but not THE Coppola and Lucas films, so there's no reason to believe she'd have ever crossed over into bigger, more demanding roles even if we all acknowledge she had the talent to do so. Hollywood is littered with fantastic leading actors who never got a lead role.

Cindy Williams did. On TV.

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 05:42 (three days ago) link

sopranos or not, i don’t think gandolfini was ever likely to ‘get out from under’ being a large italian-american man

mookieproof, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 06:20 (three days ago) link

aaanyway she was funny as shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9egH-OEQYM8

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 06:28 (three days ago) link

If you all find "Cindy Williams could have made more movies" an awkward contention, wait till you hear that I think that Tom Verlaine could have expressed the same sensibility in his music if he was born twenty years earlier, played saxophone and recited Beat poetry.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:42 (three days ago) link

Laverne & Shirley did way more to inform my worldview (and those of my peers) than American Graffiti.

forbidden fruit salad (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:23 (three days ago) link

I think y’all are confounding the fact that clemenza was not really a Laverne & Shirley fan (me neither although I liked most of the component parts, but don’t begrudge others for liking it) with the idea that actors might like the challenge of doing films as well as Neon Boystelevision.

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:24 (three days ago) link

I mean it’s not a great argument for every actor but in her case it seems to make some sense.(xp to self)

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:25 (three days ago) link

Sorry, I think you're being ridiculous. You have your version of Cindy Williams, I have my mine, and mine does not have to comport with yours. For you, she was the star of a TV show you loved when you were younger, and you feel a lot of nostalgia for that.

I think I was reacting to this condescending post in which I was called "ridiculous" and in debt to the lesser emotion of nostalgia when what I was expressing is that Laverne and Shirley was and remains important (and not just to me!) and therefore it's not a fluffy subpar substitute for a Serious Film Career.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:22 (three days ago) link

Okay, yeah, you are right.

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:24 (three days ago) link

tbh any performer is lucky to find an iconic role whether it's on TV or in a movie, the match of performer and part doesn't come along all that often. The flipside of iconic roles is, sure, the performer may have a hard time eclipsing them — may be absorbed by them — but imagining their career without that role is pointless. Maybe they never would have found another one!

Anyway RIP to her, I never watched L&S regularly but I always had a good impression of it. And to LL's point, even as a kid I remember it being accorded some cultural cachet precisely because it was about two working women.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:29 (three days ago) link

^otm on all points!

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:32 (three days ago) link

I think I had a bit of trouble with The Big Ragu. Also never really warmed up to David Lander until I watched Oswald. Always really liked the theme song and the title sequence though.

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:36 (three days ago) link

Totally forgot that Betty Garrett was on that show!

And Your Borad Can Zing (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:39 (three days ago) link

I'll apologize for that LL, but also point out that you had an earlier post with "FUIUD" included. There was an "LOL" attached, so I guess I was supposed to ignore that.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:45 (three days ago) link

And believe, as someone who regularly comes on here and expresses nostalgia for any number of things, I don't consider that a lesser emotion. My nostalgia for American Graffiti is very much a part of my attachment to Cindy Williams. And I don't know why you keep characterizing the films I mention as some kind of art-school snobbishness--is there a more accessible, non-arty film than American Graffiti? (The Conversation, maybe, but I don't know, its artiness quotient seems at the mild end to me.)

Now, I suppose, I'll be accused of prolonging a derail that to my mind I didn't even initiate.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:49 (three days ago) link

thanks to mookie for making me laugh this morning

mh, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:20 (three days ago) link

Emily Rose Marcus, Greil's daughter. Sad, sweet obit by Christgau: https://robertchristgau.substack.com/p/emily-rose-marcus-1969-2023

(Hits me a bit extra because she was three months younger than me.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 20:14 (three days ago) link

Jeez, that's a really sad piece - just a month younger than me

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 20:34 (three days ago) link

Between this and his own health issues, Marcus has had just a terrible year.

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 21:56 (three days ago) link

I just got home and haven't had a chance to read it, but Marcus himself has a piece up about his daughter (should be accessible).

https://open.substack.com/pub/greilmarcus/p/emily-rose-marcus-1969-2023?r=1jtu0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 22:00 (three days ago) link

From the comments section: FYI to everyone who has mentioned the author: I saw this post on Facebook, and it was written by Emily's sister, Cecily.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 22:37 (three days ago) link

You're right. Like (almost) everyone else in the comments section, I assumed he wrote it. He actually does begin by saying "I am posting this because people have asked me to."

clemenza, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 22:50 (three days ago) link

John Davis, disco producer/arranger who led the Monster Orchestra. “Up Jumped The Devil” and his version of “Bourgie Bourgie” are All Time stunners.

mike t-diva, Thursday, 2 February 2023 23:45 (two days ago) link

I had no idea this brand was a real person:

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/obituaries/article/2023/02/03/fashion-designer-paco-rabanne-dies-aged-88_6014298_15.html

StanM, Friday, 3 February 2023 15:47 (yesterday) link

Or as Prince called him in "Movie Star": Paco Ra-binny

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Friday, 3 February 2023 22:33 (yesterday) link

Melinda Dillon, Who Appeared in ‘A Christmas Story,’ ‘Close Encounters of the Third Kind,’ Dies at 83https://t.co/UkQnwZHe0L

— Variety (@Variety) February 3, 2023

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:49 (two hours ago) link

Ah that's a shame. Those two performances alone are for all time.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:50 (two hours ago) link

And Magnolia! (I suspect I am the only remaining person who loves that film, but she is fantastic in her small role.)

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:53 (two hours ago) link

honestly she was iconic, she had so many great roles and she was always so good

omar little, Saturday, 4 February 2023 00:54 (two hours ago) link

XPS...and also a shocking (if you know her mainly from her 'Mom' roles) appearance in Slap Shot.

She's the true star of Close Encounters

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:03 (two hours ago) link

xpost "Oglethorpe?"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:04 (two hours ago) link

She's the true star of Close Encounters

No lies told.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:05 (two hours ago) link

Loved her in Close Encounters; she had a small but harrowing part in Absence of Malice, too, that the rest of the movie hinged on.

clemenza, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:08 (two hours ago) link

She had one of the great 'origin stories' in all of showbiz: she was a waitress at Second City who volunteered her service as an actress one night when Barbara Harris was sick--Dillon had memorized the whole act from the pit and was a sensation on stage, quickly earning a spot in the repertory company.

Man that is awesome.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:09 (two hours ago) link

Wow, I wouldn't have guessed she was nearly 40 in Close Encounters. Good genes!

ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:22 (two hours ago) link

she pulled off a good 'harried'

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:24 (two hours ago) link

And _Magnolia_! (I suspect I am the only remaining person who loves that film, but she is fantastic in her small role.)


You’re not and you’re right. A heartbreaking part.

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:28 (two hours ago) link

Don't watch this if you plan to watch the film someday, but here's the Absence of Malice scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpnobabM8ZY

The way she tilts her head as she gets up at the end is unforgettable.

clemenza, Saturday, 4 February 2023 01:46 (one hour ago) link


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