like the queen this thread will never die: in which we ALL resign (ourselves to disgusting miseries to post-boris politics 2022)

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what's next for the plucky little kingdom?

mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 09:57 (six months ago) link

excellent work there in the last-minute rewrite, seems apt, fvck u

mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 09:58 (six months ago) link

"Halifax reports that house prices rose by 1.8% in June, the 12th consecutive monthly rise"

Let's see where we're at by the time this thread has died been locked.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:08 (six months ago) link

Oh too slow, I was hoping to do a scromit reference

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:17 (six months ago) link

Wallace and Scromit

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:18 (six months ago) link

xyzzzz__
Posted: 7 July 2022 at 11:00:41
"A state led by Sunak, Gove or Truss with reforming zeal would be an unpleasant place to live. But it’s also damaging to be governed by intellectually deficient, personally ambitious, corrupt or simply uninterested ministers. Fewer ministers than ever care about their departments, as the internecine vortex of Westminster and dreams of a slot on Question Time suck in most of their attention. This has been especially true since 2016, though the problem is of longer gestation. It doesn’t entirely explain why Britain, after twelve years of Conservative government, is run-down, stagnant, expensive, underpaid, unequal, corrupt, socially fractured, backward-looking, hungry and fearful. But it doesn’t help. It will take far more than dislodging Johnson to change that."

https://www.lrb.co.uk/blog/2022/july/johnson-his-fall

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:18 (six months ago) link

Statement at 1

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:38 (six months ago) link

No 10 source: Boris Johnson will shortly make new appointments to his ministerial team 🤨

— PoliticsJOE (@PoliticsJOE_UK) July 7, 2022

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:38 (six months ago) link

Clowns getting back in the car

The Rt Hon Greg Clark MP @GregClarkMP has been appointed Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities @luhc. pic.twitter.com/UdfDgIlToo

— UK Prime Minister (@10DowningStreet) July 7, 2022

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:42 (six months ago) link

Cleverly gets Education - disastrous

nashwan, Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:48 (six months ago) link

(If you were playing chess, would you think that the UK or US had more freedom in next moves and why? I don't know how to play chess but am using it as an analogy anyway. This question might not be sufficiently focused or worth the effort to answer. Understood.)

youn, Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:48 (six months ago) link

Depends on what you mean by freedom in context youn

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:51 (six months ago) link

very sad that boris caved so quickly, couldn't even wait until they did all the procedural garbage to vote him out as tory leader next week

ufo, Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:53 (six months ago) link

These are cabinet appointments for, what, 6 weeks? There will have to be some kind of interim where there is pretend work. Really weird episode in ukpol.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:56 (six months ago) link

(what could happen for the constituencies you care about as part of the nation as a whole, where a part could be understood to be equal to the whole, in terms of demographics; economics; stability, flexibilty, and maturity of institutions of government; secondarily political and economic security in a global context)

youn, Thursday, 7 July 2022 10:59 (six months ago) link

Sometimes it's difficult to keep up appearances. How influential and powerful were the two ministers who resigned and what did their resignation signify?

youn, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:16 (six months ago) link

from an outsider's perspective:
things are likely to get dramatically worse in the US but it will likely be so blatantly illegitimate that there might be some chance of rupture for the better. though if that doesn't happen then it seems like things just devolve into a fascist hell, but it's going to be very unpredictable chaotic times.

doesn't appear much hope at all for the UK at all. johnson will likely be replaced by someone more effectively committed to evil and it will be presented as a clean break from the past decade of tory governance despite nothing fundamentally changing. labour are worthless and entirely focused on crushing their left and even if they win the next election it's unlikely much changes or gets better. a slow decline but will probably end up in a similar place to where the US is heading, just less dramatically and at a slower pace

ufo, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:17 (six months ago) link

This just started

https://twitter.com/10downingstreet/status/1545006494273490945?s=21&t=o776M9Ak4axJuIorjps5TQ

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:27 (six months ago) link

You forget that the UK as currently constituted literally might cease to exist after October 2023. That's not going to happen in the US - unless a state or two decides to secede from the Union.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:29 (six months ago) link

(xp)

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:29 (six months ago) link

Man the next Tory contest will be so grim.

Doubt these questions will be asked, but they will have to face them.

A price cap of £3000 is so much more devastating than any of us realise. £3000 is mass defaults, arrears, restricted spending and wider economic spiralling. It’s homelessness, addiction, health, social isolation. For millions, it’s life or death. https://t.co/pSJvs6FhG0

— 𝐅𝐫𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐫 𝐒𝐭𝐞𝐰𝐚𝐫𝐭 🌻 (@fraserjfstewart) July 6, 2022

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:35 (six months ago) link

boris merely recycling thru the feckless twerps left to him among tory mps to form the Farewell Cabinet when he could instead be appointing random members of the general public #smh what a tired loser

mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:37 (six months ago) link

How influential and powerful were the two ministers who resigned and what did their resignation signify?

Two?!

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:37 (six months ago) link

“Darwinian”

big movers, hot steppers + long shaker intros (breastcrawl), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:38 (six months ago) link

INCREDIBLE SCENES

“THE BENNY HILL THEME TUNE” IS BEING BLASTED OUT ON SKY NEWS. pic.twitter.com/N06wBwcoZl

— Scott Bryan (@scottygb) July 7, 2022

StanM, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:40 (six months ago) link

Youn is talking about Sunak and Javid. That did trigger a cascade of resignations of mostly junior ministers. Not sure how all of this was exactly coordinated xps to sic

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:41 (six months ago) link

_How influential and powerful were the two ministers who resigned and what did their resignation signify?_

Two?!


Can you just leave her alone please.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:43 (six months ago) link

Dying at Boris going “thems the breaks”, too bad he didn’t chuck a “y’all” on at the end. Absolutely no regret, what a piece of work.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:45 (six months ago) link

Liz Truss, the foreign secretary, is cutting short a trip to Indonesia and returning to the UK, my colleague Jessica Elgot reports. Truss is one of the frontrunners in the contest to succeed Boris Johnson.

This feels like the option with the most potential for grim hilarity, from a distance.

(Fingers crossed as usual for Tom D.’s reference.)

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:46 (six months ago) link

(Sorry, I don't read UK news sources and only glanced through US coverage. Two does not entail not more than two if that was the reason for incredulous punctuation but would appreciate any clarification if you meant something else.)

youn, Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:52 (six months ago) link

Sometimes it's difficult to keep up appearances. How influential and powerful were the two ministers who resigned and what did their resignation signify?


Well Sunak was the Chancellor which is the second most powerful office of them all. Him resigning was a huge blow. Javid was also a Secretary of State, another senior role. A lot of the resignations have been made up by PPSes (parliamentary private secretaries) who are basically young/junior MPs who are being trained up for future ministerial roles. Every government department has a Secretary of State and a junior minister (sometimes more?) so that’s where all the numbers are coming from. But in terms of the two that started it all, it would be difficult to think of a worse omen than the chancellor walking. We don’t know if it was plotted formally but MPs have been unhappy with Johnson and they just lost 2 by elections (including one which is a safe seat) so the usual thing they do when their own futures are threatened is to knife the current leader and appoint a new one. There are more undertows: the chancellor walking will obviously oppose him to Johnson which is useful for picking up anti-Johnson votes in a leadership election. It puts the shits up undecided MPs who are wavering - is it better to jump or be pushed? That’s why Gove’s sssssacking is ssso funny. It means that possible leadership challengers who stay on and so lend legitimacy to an outgoing unpopular leader have that against them.

It should also be noted that Tory MPs love and use WhatsApp and are forever leaking chats to journalists, so we might see something from one of those that gives more insight.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:54 (six months ago) link

(Sorry, I don't read UK news sources and only glanced through US coverage. Two does not entail not more than two if that was the reason for incredulous punctuation but would appreciate any clarification if you meant something else.)


Xyzzzz__ and I both know you meant the initial two, Javid & Sunak. No idea why sic decided that was a worthwhile contribution.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 11:55 (six months ago) link

That’s why Gove’s sssssacking is ssso funny. It means that possible leadership challengers who stay on and so lend legitimacy to an outgoing unpopular leader have that against them.

I'm not sure I understand this. Gove told Johnson to resign (he has some Party authority to do this?); Johnson fired Gove from his cabinet post; then the effect on those for and against Johnson in the Party is what?

Sorry for asking an uncouth question that might not go down well among the British, but is it at all significant that the two ministers who started the revolt have Indian names and are presumably of Indian heritage? Do they represent a new position within the elite or a change in the elite?

youn, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:09 (six months ago) link

_That’s why Gove’s sssssacking is ssso funny. It means that possible leadership challengers who stay on and so lend legitimacy to an outgoing unpopular leader have that against them._


I'm not sure I understand this. Gove told Johnson to resign (he has some Party authority to do this?); Johnson fired Gove from his cabinet post; then the effect on those for and against Johnson in the Party is what?

Sorry for asking an uncouth question that might not go down well among the British, but is it at all significant that the two ministers who started the revolt have Indian names and are presumably of Indian heritage? Do they represent a new position within the elite or a change in the elite?


_That’s why Gove’s sssssacking is ssso funny. It means that possible leadership challengers who stay on and so lend legitimacy to an outgoing unpopular leader have that against them._


I'm not sure I understand this. Gove told Johnson to resign (he has some Party authority to do this?); Johnson fired Gove from his cabinet post; then the effect on those for and against Johnson in the Party is what?

Sorry for asking an uncouth question that might not go down well among the British, but is it at all significant that the two ministers who started the revolt have Indian names and are presumably of Indian heritage? Do they represent a new position within the elite or a change in the elite?


It might be my writing. I mean that Gove’s sacking is funny because he was clearly holding it over Johnson’s head to resign with and then Johnson sacked him anyway.

Gove is also a senior MP who has held various roles in cabinet since 2010; he also used to write for the Times and is so in good favour with Rupert Murdoch, who really calls the shots with the Tories. Gove is a big enough name that his resignation would have triggered off even more and increased the pressure on Boris.

I’m not best placed to comment on the ethnic backgrounds on Javid and Sunak in that context so I’ll leave it to others.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:16 (six months ago) link

gove's authority isn't so much *within the party* (tho he does have some seniority there) as that (as gyac says) he has rupert murdoch's ear and approval and (until recently) was being fitted for highest office as murdoch's catspaw

johnson's authority for sacking gove is that (a) as PM he can and (b) literally everyone in the party detests gove and his star has lately somewhat fallen with murdoch

mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:20 (six months ago) link

(probably xps: One of the most gleefully wondrous thing about this imbroglio is that over 50 ministers have now resigned, and that the resignations have been so backed up that some continued to roll out in the hour after it became apparent that Boris was going to go — three weeks after he passed a vote of no confidence from the same ministers. {I’ve seen it reported that the previous record for resignations in 24 hours was in the 1930s, and the number was six.} I was expressing delight at the fact that this accelerating snowball of ejectees made it impossible to know which two you were referring to: comrade alph’s annotation makes sense now, but I initially read it as meaning “the latest two,” which was essentially a moving target.)

Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:20 (six months ago) link

Sunak was Head Boy at Winchester, he's about as establishment as its possible to get, no matter his ethnicity. Javid is slightly different but city boy wankers often have more diverse backgrounds.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:20 (six months ago) link

xp I literally don’t care; I saw it as continuation of behaviour you were picked up on in another thread. You’re not even a regular here, feel free to pipe down and we’ll answer any questions people have, ok?

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:22 (six months ago) link

in any case it's not 50 ministers that have resigned, a PPS is not a minister.

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:23 (six months ago) link

Sunak was Head Boy at Winchester, he's about as establishment as its possible to get, no matter his ethnicity. Javid is slightly different but city boy wankers often have more diverse backgrounds.


Yeah you see a lot of that - people who make good money in the City can come from any background and because of their monetary interests they do tend to be Tories.

Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:24 (six months ago) link

Sorry for asking an uncouth question that might not go down well among the British, but is it at all significant that the two ministers who started the revolt have Indian names and are presumably of Indian heritage? Do they represent a new position within the elite or a change in the elite?

Sunak's British-Indian, Javid's British Pakistani. The former is probably less of a bar to being Prime Minister than the latter. I don't think it's particularly significant that it was them that started the revolt but arguably might be if they both saw it as an opportunity for a shot at the top job.

What's absolutely true is that the Tories have a much more diverse pool of plausible and semi-plausible leaders than Labour does, including several British Indian MPs (Sunak, Patel, Braverman), British-Iranian, British Iraqi, descendants of Czech Jewish refugees, etc, than Labour's likely to offer any time soon.

There are lots of reasons for that - one that's been true since Thatcher has been the rise of the commercial, 'merchant class' as a dominant force in the Tory party. You can probably think of Cameron and Johnson as partial reversions to landed gentry types, but it's the party of business more than anything else and business is more diverse now than the more traditional Establishment. It's partly because they recognise the need for a broader coalition of voters unless they're going to give up on cities altogether - there has been aggressive targeting of the British Indian vote over the last 15 years, etc. It's also partly because the press will go a lot lighter on a Tory from a Muslim background (say, Javid or Zahawi) than they will on a Labour figure (Sadiq Khan, etc).

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:28 (six months ago) link

you've seen this more with priti patel as home secretary but party and govt have definitely exploited ethnicity to defuse charges of racism ("how can she possibly be racist? in my opinion it's actually racist to suggest that she's racist"): which is nonsense but does now and then wrongfoot the more mealymouthed within liberal commentariat

sunak and javid being presentable as self-made wealth (as opposed to being from the red-faced doughy ranks of third-tier failsons that continue to make up so much of the party) i think supplies a kind of symbolic business-class capable authenticity which certainly impresses some

mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:34 (six months ago) link

i think i'm slightly eliding javid's self-madeness with zahawi's self-madeness there: javid made his name more with within banking than business -- but the aura of "business-heads know" isn't very different (given that it's pure culture-war nonsense anyway)

mark s, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:38 (six months ago) link

In the cesspools of twitter I have seen various Boris ultras livid at the notion that Sunak, Javid, Patel, Braverman (or even Tugendhat!) might succeed their boy.

Depressingly, Labour is further than ever from ever having a non-white bloke as leader.

Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:40 (six months ago) link

(Thanks! The dynamics of party revolts outside the US are interesting. We don't have that. The media influence/insider status/personal relationships and change in party demographics are fascinating.)

youn, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:41 (six months ago) link

Forgetting that Sunak is another city boy wanker, albeit also an Old Wykehamist.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:41 (six months ago) link

Xpost

With this in mind slightly surprised that Crosby, who seems to pride himself on being in touch with the average angry gammon, seems to have anointed Zahawi...

Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:44 (six months ago) link

I have wondered whether any non-white Tory leader would depress their vote in an election.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:45 (six months ago) link

You could certainly imagine an attempted dog whistle labour campaign against one.

Piedie Gimbel, Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:47 (six months ago) link

I think it almost certainly would.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 July 2022 12:48 (six months ago) link

And that could be bcz Tories have run out of steam/sort of given up after the implosion of the Truss govt.

If the polls were more favourable Tories might have negotiated but running public services down suits them.

xp indeed.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:27 (four days ago) link

As I said upthread all of the settlements have been in the private sector, the only area where the government can play hardball is the public sector. They keep trotting out the mantra that high wage rises will cause more inflation, which they're trying (successfully they say) to bring down, I've not yet heard anyone say, "So when you've got inflation down can we expect to see big wage rises in the public sector then?"

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:33 (four days ago) link

I can imagine the response.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:33 (four days ago) link

Haven't there been some settlements in the public sector. Like bin collectors, that kind of thing.

But yes the more high profile it is..

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:42 (four days ago) link

bin collectors are in the remit of local authorities, is the difference

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:43 (four days ago) link

of course even then it took industrial action to get Labour councils to settle

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:43 (four days ago) link

I wonder why there are such major recruitment problems and low staff morale in both state schools and the NHS, it's almost like when you cut billions off the budgets of public sector services it actually drains the life out of them! All other more *nuanced* takes on this subject from thinktanks are total bullshit. And I haven't seen a shred of evidence so far that this situation is going to get any better if the Tories get dumped.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:51 (four days ago) link

be a boom time for parasitic PFI's though

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:55 (four days ago) link

can't see it improving, can see the meltier unions winding their necks in for Kieth

part of the "crisis" now feels like the result of a decade or more of not taking industrial action. another part is that a different Tory government would not be playing hardball like this one is. the difference there is a combination of intentional wrecking, as noted by xyzzz, and an especially fervent bunch of Randians at the controls

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 11:58 (four days ago) link

It's not as easy to go on strike as it once was and, of course, it's about to get a whole lot harder. Wrecking public services and destroying the unions, it's a win-win situation.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:13 (four days ago) link

Guess the calculation here is Tories lose the election but get back in 10 years with not much being meaningfully changed.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:16 (four days ago) link

Although I think it's more likely they are very run down. Colours do change from blue to red and vice-versa every decade or so etc.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:18 (four days ago) link

i understand the tactical difficulties with strike action but imo it's not a big boast for union leadership when they point out that their members haven't had a real terms pay rise in 10+ years

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:20 (four days ago) link

OTM

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:29 (four days ago) link

Blair's tactic for remaining "Electable" was to keep coming up with increasingly right-wing policies, but now even the tories are under pressure to renationalise failing train companies and increase corporation tax, it's hard to think where Starmer can go when he has to actually make policy decisions. The social policies / culture wars front is not something he can outflank them on either. Only available avenue would seem to be old-fashioned authoritarianism, seems inevitable that he'll give that a go.

Camaraderie at Arms Length, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:39 (four days ago) link

Even Corbyn tried that….

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 12:48 (four days ago) link

Everything about Kieth's record as DPP suggests he is gagging to try out some new ASBO on steroids legislation.

Piedie Gimbel, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:20 (four days ago) link

John McDonnell has joined NEU

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:22 (four days ago) link

Every day a new low. Every single day!

Keir Starmer's spokesman says that Labour MP Kim Johnson's description of Israel's government as "fascist" at #pmqs was "completely unacceptable" and the Labour chief whip will be demanding she withdraw her comments.

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) February 1, 2023

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:35 (four days ago) link

Views of the strikes from BBC today pic.twitter.com/GtUnUVBuM5

— Saoirse Wilson (@saoirsewilson) February 1, 2023

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:44 (four days ago) link

John McDonnell has joined NEU

If anyone can replace Klaus Dinger it's John McDonnell.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 13:47 (four days ago) link

"Everything about Kieth's record as DPP suggests he is gagging to try out some new ASBO on steroids legislation."

I don't think Gary McKinnon or his mother will be voting for Labour, that much is certain.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:13 (four days ago) link

the Labour right don't cosplay authoritarianism for votes, they are naturally authoritarian, in keeping with their whole managerial ethos

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:18 (four days ago) link

also to be noted that if he's not outflanking the fascists on the culture war front, Kieth is certainly making a good fist of keeping up with them

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:19 (four days ago) link

Kieth's grovelling self-abasement to US officials while DPP, that wasn't cosplay either - it's his natural instinct at work.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 14:23 (four days ago) link

Fuck this party!

Kim Johnson has apologised in the Chamber

She said she was 'wrong to use the term 'fascist'' and this was 'insensitive given the history of the state of Israel'.

She added there were 'far-right elements in the gov', using the term 'in this context was wrong' https://t.co/Q6VWaR9d6W

— Chloe Chaplain (@ChaplainChloe) February 1, 2023

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 15:48 (four days ago) link

Just for the record, this current member of the Israeli government calls himself a fascist.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-01-16/ty-article/.premium/israels-far-right-finance-minister-im-a-fascist-homophobe-but-i-wont-stone-gays/00000185-b921-de59-a98f-ff7f47c70000

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:07 (four days ago) link

https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/ab6X3XB_700b.jpg

this is not a fascist!

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:22 (four days ago) link

Brazilian flag…probably lives in Miami

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:25 (four days ago) link

this is not a fascist!

― calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 bookmarkflaglink

Is that from the Lab chief whip?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:31 (four days ago) link

who better to school people on "what is fascism" than the chief whip from the devoutly antiracist Labour Party, yes lol!

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 16:52 (four days ago) link

Starmer wouldn't even publicly endorse a Dem candidate running against one of the most openly fascist US presidents since Nixon. What a party!

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:03 (four days ago) link

We have a bizarre situation developing in my workplace where members of Prospect, who are pretty much all managers and middle managers, have voted overwhelmingly to go on strike, whereas the PCS (the proles union) ballot failed to pass the government threshold for participation - by seven people. So the managers will be out on strike and the workers still working!

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:06 (four days ago) link

Lol!

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:07 (four days ago) link

that sounds like a rum do.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:09 (four days ago) link

The almost instantaneous wisecrack on hearing the news was "Will anyone notice?".

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:13 (four days ago) link

the big management classes squeeze: had to cancel the planned few days in the Algarve this half term and downscale it to the Lake District... rough times

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:22 (four days ago) link

Starmer wouldn't even publicly endorse a Dem candidate running against one of the most openly fascist US presidents since Nixon. What a party!


People still mad that Corbyn did Brexit and this passed largely unremarked on

here you go, muttonchops Yaz (gyac), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 17:24 (four days ago) link

is the lake district nice, everyone seems excited about it in Pride & Prejudice

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:40 (four days ago) link

they are right to be excited and they should say so

mark s, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:42 (four days ago) link

it became super fashionable not long before P&P was written, prior to the Romantics i think it was treated like Mordor in the popular imagination

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:47 (four days ago) link

I'd love to go there, it's beautiful. But you need to win the lottery or murder somebody to be able to afford a train ticket these days, or possibly some things haven't changed since the 1800s. Haven't checked if they have started pumping raw sewage into Windemere yet

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:50 (four days ago) link

had one of the most English moments I've ever experienced at the Lake District: woman running the inn gave us instructions for a wandering path, mentioned her daughter used to take it to meet a classmate, then witsfully mused "took her half an hour, but it's probably longer... if you don't have a friend waiting for you on the other side".

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 18:55 (four days ago) link

🥹

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:07 (four days ago) link

Cop country.

Last month I worked undercover with debt collectors breaking into homes of vulnerable families for British Gas

We were sent to force-fit prepayment meters at homes including one where a mum was with her 4 week old baby.

If families cannot top up, their heating can be cut off

— Paul Morgan-Bentley (@pmorganbentley) February 1, 2023

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:16 (four days ago) link

recently my British Gas monthly dd wasn't showing up in the forthcoming payments on my online banking. I couldn't log in my BG account. Phoned them and got a load of bollox about how my acct had been moved into their new online system and luckily it was exactly 2 weeks until the monthly dd would take to clear with the bank so it would just carry on as per normal. I'm cynical enough to think that it was all a ruse to deliberately cause me to fall behind on payments, as to try and force a pre-payment meter on me. Cunts.

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:27 (four days ago) link

can't wait for the next Labour gov to ban pre-payment meters

the sex lives of quoll-ish girls (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:30 (four days ago) link

Don’t get a smart meter because they can remotely reassign them to prepayment without your consent.

put a VONC on it (suzy), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:38 (four days ago) link

when you get cold-called about changing to a smart meter, whilst telling you the multiple energy consumption awareness benefits of them - they don't mention how it gives them the capability of remotely cutting you off. Without you even at least getting the satisfaction of turning the front of your house into a "last of us" style death fortress and threatening to set your dog on trespassers who manage to get through the barbed wire when they demand access to your meter!

calzino, Wednesday, 1 February 2023 19:45 (four days ago) link

I only found out about the smart meter/prepay switch potential recently - before, my objection was that friends with smart meters had received ridiculous bills in error. Also, a part of me enjoys ignoring the histrionics of the EDF billing department chasing its £35 - if someone actually phones, I’m gonna vacantly say ‘your bill is important to us, but due to a high volume of bills at this time, hold times may be longer than usual…’

put a VONC on it (suzy), Wednesday, 1 February 2023 21:54 (four days ago) link


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