Where Are We Runnin’? - American Politics Thread, May 2022

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Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 1 May 2022 12:12 (three weeks ago) link

Lenny Kravitz isn’t running for office as far as I know, but anything’s possible

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 1 May 2022 12:14 (three weeks ago) link

Good morning!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 1 May 2022 12:18 (three weeks ago) link

Where’s the end of Matt Gaetz’s political career?

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 1 May 2022 12:35 (three weeks ago) link

TOLEDO, OHIO — @TedCruz and I at Northwest Baptist Church getting warmed up for rally. Pastors over politicians and backboards over bricks! pic.twitter.com/NLm6X0IhvF

— Josh Mandel (@JoshMandelOhio) April 30, 2022

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 1 May 2022 16:07 (three weeks ago) link

these people are creepy and are organizing

There’s a boot camp tomorrow in Jefferson City, MO for new “center-right” school board members to “prepare for your upcoming fight.” pic.twitter.com/qlJQ0XFitf

— Blythe Bernhard (@blythebernhard) April 30, 2022

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 2 May 2022 15:43 (two weeks ago) link

a story in 3 parts pic.twitter.com/hsgPEHjbOh

— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) May 1, 2022

Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 May 2022 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

HahahahahA

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 2 May 2022 18:56 (two weeks ago) link

The House has already passed Roe v. Wade into law. To also pass it in the Senate we'd need to expand our majority by two seats in order to work around Manchin and Sinema and exempt it from the filibuster. So that's our marching orders for midterms: flip at least two Senate seats.

— Palmer Report (@PalmerReport) May 3, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 10:23 (two weeks ago) link

Only 2

Oops, you elected two more senators who never vote for anything we need them to. Insert $25 or more to try again.

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 11:44 (two weeks ago) link

What’s the plan when the guys who’ve been loudly talking about ignoring elections for some time do just that?

gyac, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 11:47 (two weeks ago) link

Fundraise off of it.

made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 11:49 (two weeks ago) link

Also gotta keep the house. Pretty sure that bill expires at the end of the term if the Senate doesn’t do anything.

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 11:58 (two weeks ago) link

yep

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:03 (two weeks ago) link

Is Nancy Pelosi still campaigning for Henry Cuellar in Texas or

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:07 (two weeks ago) link

Should the GOP take the majority, look for a federal ban.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:12 (two weeks ago) link

And a ban on gender affirmation medical care, interracial marriage, gay marriage, pornography….

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:14 (two weeks ago) link

Really great how we’re witnessing the takeover of an entire country by the most despicable, hypocritical pieces of shit to ever walk the earth.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:16 (two weeks ago) link

Alito's opinion makes it clear he'll shit on "unenumerated" rights though he hints Loving is safe.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:17 (two weeks ago) link

Have media organizations dispatched personnel to random midwestern diners to take the nation’s pulse yet? Because that’s what we need now

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:50 (two weeks ago) link

I love the originalist argument that there’s no historical basis for reproductive rights and gay rights. Like, no shit, Sherlock. (Tho of course you can make a strong case that they proceed directly from rights that are enumerated.)

“Sorry, you didn’t have rights in the 1700s, so we can’t give them to you now.”

There's no depth to their hypocrisy of course, but I'd be curious how McConnell and Thomas would go after Loving. Interracial marriage also has 94% approval in a recent gallup poll, which I checked after Senator Cracker made his "just thinking out loud" comments about overturning it, so yeah I'm not entirely reassured either

rob, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:55 (two weeks ago) link

Thomas will look under every rock for a constitutional justification for Loving, which, of course, is an example of...results-oriented jurisprudence.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 12:57 (two weeks ago) link

Are we absolutely sure he doesn't want his marriage invalidated?

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 13:16 (two weeks ago) link

Loving v Virginia, it's right there in the title

rob, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 13:20 (two weeks ago) link

I've said it before, but you have most likely spent your whole life in a historical hiccup.

You came in at the beginning of civil rights and now you're watching the end.

So it's reasonable to think that America is turning upside down.

But it's not.

It's turning right side up.

— Absurdistwords (@absurdistwords) May 3, 2022

Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 13:50 (two weeks ago) link

a terrible take.

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:29 (two weeks ago) link

It is true that the Warren Court was a historical aberration after 180 years of anti-democratic reaction.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:30 (two weeks ago) link

Should the GOP take the majority, look for a federal ban.

Which is really outside of Congress's constitutional powers, but you can bet this Court would find the support.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

i'm sick of these anti-democratic, defeatist takes on civil rights. keep fighting for something better.

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:32 (two weeks ago) link

Honey, I work for the local party. I'm not being defeatist. I'm pointing out the obvious.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:35 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not referring to you, Alfred.

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:36 (two weeks ago) link

sorry

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:40 (two weeks ago) link

That entire Twitter thread is absolutely true. America is a deeply right-wing country that spent the last 50-60 years — only 1/4 of its history! — begrudgingly granting various groups of people rights and then fighting to claw those rights back. I don't see this ending well at all.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:40 (two weeks ago) link

The implication is that America's backslide on civil rights is inevitable - I do not agree with that. This could have been avoided. Trump almost didn't win in 2016.

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:47 (two weeks ago) link

also the idea that America has a natural "right side up" state and it's batshit conservatism - that doesn't have to be America's fate. We are not tethered to that.

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:49 (two weeks ago) link

(and no worries alfred - sorry if i sounded snippy! i admire the work you do in local politics)

aegis philbin (crüt), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 14:53 (two weeks ago) link

It was extra bleak to watch the news break between pictures of the Met Gala.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:04 (two weeks ago) link

Tbh, while I am pessimistic, I’m more on crut’s side of things.

60% of people support abortion in the US
70% of people support gay marriage
94% of people support interracial marriage

The takes about this being a deeply conservative country have much basis in reality, but they overstate their case— the US is a pretty centrist to center left country being held hostage and brainwashed by a conservative, fear-mongering few who will stop at nothing to maintain their hold on power.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:06 (two weeks ago) link

my point being that I don’t doubt that things will get worse, but I’m not too certain about them never getting better.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:07 (two weeks ago) link

Who the fuck are the 6% who don't "support interracial marriage"?

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

there are more than that, they're probably just embarrassed to say it, even in anonymous polls.

in my church in the 90s, i think almost everyone opposed interracial marriage. maybe they changed their mind somewhere, but they were all adults at the time.

white evangelicals are fucking creeps, for real

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Crüt otm here. There are some very specific factors that led us to this point, it was far from inevitable. Bush v Gore. Citizens United.

As to the Tweeter’s thesis, history’s baseline is harsh and violent repression. Pretty much all of it as far as I can tell.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

President Joe Biden steers into midterms focused on abortion rights: “At the federal level, we will need more pro-choice senators and a pro-choice majority in the House to adopt legislation that codifies Roe, which I will work to pass and sign into law." https://t.co/y3njdIotVe

— Zach C. Cohen (@Zachary_Cohen) May 3, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

The numbers on interracial marriage support are pretty remarkable. As recently as 2013, it was only 87%. Karl's 90s acquaintances had lots of company (~50%); it was 4% in 1958.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/354638/approval-interracial-marriage-new-high.aspx

rob, Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:12 (two weeks ago) link

the US is a pretty centrist to center left country being held hostage and brainwashed by a conservative, fear-mongering few who will stop at nothing to maintain their hold on power

If this were true, then fear-mongering wouldn't be such a reliable, proven way to get and hold power.

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:13 (two weeks ago) link

in my church in the 90s, i think almost everyone opposed interracial marriage.

With biblical support, no doubt *rolls eyes*

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:16 (two weeks ago) link

i think part of what we're finding out is just how locked out of power most americans and american opinions are. there's a powerful, distributed apparatus that makes that so. it doesn't really hinge on people's political opinions i don't think. they play into it but the outcome is not making things more equal, it's the opposite. i also don't really think trump is some kind of hinge point here. i think the issue is our material reality depends on the kind of exploitative mindset that gop is a haven for.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 3 May 2022 15:19 (two weeks ago) link

the entire GOP strategy now is to be the biggest tool you can possibly be while there are cameras present

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 18 May 2022 20:56 (four days ago) link

What a fucking asshole.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:05 (four days ago) link

Yeah, Cawthorn didn't strike me at all as the type who'd hesitate to strip away certain peoples' right to, like, be alive given half an opportunity.

― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Wednesday, May 18, 2022 7:25 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is everyone who works for the state ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:12 (four days ago) link

literally every city in the country is fine with criminalizing homeless people. god i get so tired of partisan myopia in these threads.

the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:13 (four days ago) link

I have quite a few liberal friends who make derogatory statements about homeless people. less than I did 4 years ago though so that's reassuring.

it's definitely not a partisan issue. we as a country just hate the poor.

Deez NFTs (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:35 (four days ago) link

I've worked with my fair share of design firms and developers that like to taut their progressive bonafides on social media but also sure love the fuck out of adding anti-unhoused, hostile design elements to their projects.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:44 (four days ago) link

Yup. No park benches are allowed anymore without designing them to be impossible to lie down on.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:53 (four days ago) link

Why does he look exactly like Madison Cawthorn https://t.co/d7vlO3Lzri

— Secular Talk🎙 (@KyleKulinski) May 18, 2022

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:56 (four days ago) link

xp - never mind being able to lie down, they don't even want to let people sit

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 21:59 (four days ago) link

The 5th Circuit just dismantled the SEC's power to enforce securities law. This decision is beyond radical. It is nihilistic. https://t.co/6X46t2f4vY

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) May 18, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 23:16 (four days ago) link

i'm at the gilded age
i'm at the years of lead
i'm at the combination gilded age and years of lead

— frog "Joker's Secret" kosaric (@yurirando) May 15, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 18 May 2022 23:17 (four days ago) link

The nostalgia, the crippling nostalgia …

Speaking in Dallas this afternoon, former President George. W Bush made a significant verbal slip-up while discussing the war in Ukraine.

He tried referencing what he described as the “wholly unjustified and brutal invasion” — but said Iraq, instead of Ukraine. pic.twitter.com/tw0VNJzKmE

— Michael Williams (@michaeldamianw) May 19, 2022

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:34 (three days ago) link

now that is a fucking gaffe

frogbs, Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:44 (three days ago) link

He's still got it!

jmm, Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:49 (three days ago) link

Everyone in that room who laughed should be summarily executed.

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:49 (three days ago) link

that's your answer for everything.

not that there's anything wrong with that.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 19 May 2022 02:58 (three days ago) link

satire never had a chance

OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 19 May 2022 10:42 (three days ago) link

Meanwhile, here in Oregon we are in the process of trying to rid ourselves of Kurt Schrader, one of the worst Democrat blue dogs in the US House, but only 54% of the ballots in the race have been tabulated so far, because the elections office of the third most populous county in the state is run by a numbskull named Sherry Hall.

https://www.opb.org/article/2022/05/18/clackamas-county-votes-delay-ballot-counting-primary-election-2022/

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 19 May 2022 18:15 (three days ago) link

Madison Cawthorn is taking his defeat as well as one might expect.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTJLiseUUAAgAF_.jpg

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:22 (three days ago) link

"The time for gentile politics as usual has come to an end."

I think you meant to write "genital politics"

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:32 (three days ago) link

fuckin yikes dude

“dark maga”

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:32 (three days ago) link

'it is time for Dark MAGA to rise' may sound like a supervillain in a comic book, but sadly there are millions out there for whom that kind of fantasy vision of the world is more real than the humdrum facts of daily life and there's a ton of "content" out there they can gorge on every day to feed that fantasy life.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:33 (three days ago) link

As far as I can tell "Dark MAGA" just means pics of Trump with laser eyes

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:35 (three days ago) link

C'mon people, he didn't actually write that

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:35 (three days ago) link

shadow maga was right there!

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:36 (three days ago) link

https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/dark-maga-the-latest-cycle-in-the-far-right-aesthetics-laundromat/

The aesthetics Dark MAGA combines are:

Vaporwave: characterised by synthetic beats, neon-tinted visual artwork and semi-ironic nostalgia for the 1980s and 1990s.

Fashwave: inspired by vaporwave, a music genre and visual style that incorporates neo-Nazi and fascist iconography and narratives into the vaporwave aesthetic.

and blah blah Nazi stuff

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 May 2022 19:44 (three days ago) link

Oh this list is pretty precious:

Latest Instagram post from Madison Cawthorn who remains a member of congress for another 229 days.

What is the “dark MAGA” he references in his caption. Is there a “light MAGA”? pic.twitter.com/oARGdZwdT0

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) May 19, 2022

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 19 May 2022 20:09 (three days ago) link

Dark Maga needs to go in the gritty reboot thread.

PBKR, Thursday, 19 May 2022 20:16 (three days ago) link

These guys love dark stuff:

The Intellectual Dark Web
The Dark Enlightenment

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Thursday, 19 May 2022 20:22 (three days ago) link

#onlydarkmagathings

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 May 2022 20:30 (three days ago) link

Speaking of Carlson...

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 May 2022 20:40 (three days ago) link

Okay, definitely lost my sympathy for Cawthorn and my lunch reading that IG post.

we need outrage! we need dicks!! (the table is the table), Thursday, 19 May 2022 20:51 (three days ago) link

Yeah, I mean, if and when he ends up trying to murder a bunch of people, I don’t think anyone at all would be surprised, whatsoever. Kind of telling.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 May 2022 21:19 (three days ago) link

i don't think we need to cooperate with the the paramilitary fascist right's attempt at a rebrand.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 19 May 2022 23:54 (three days ago) link

He does know he lost, right?

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 20 May 2022 17:26 (two days ago) link

Sure, it's part of his super villain origin story.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 May 2022 17:30 (two days ago) link

It'll be interesting to see if his fellow Legionnaires of DOOMAGA actually respond to his calls or texts

My guess is that he'll soon be hawking gadgets on QVC, but what do I know

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 20 May 2022 17:40 (two days ago) link

Depends how big his email list is I imagine

Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Friday, 20 May 2022 18:17 (two days ago) link

whoa

I read in the news that this "Up-and-Comer" lost his "primary." Alas, perhaps he was just too repressed to advance in today's hot political climate.
My best, Kelly@TheOnion pic.twitter.com/uDwV6xBadX

— Stan Kelly (@KartoonistKelly) May 18, 2022

frogbs, Friday, 20 May 2022 20:52 (two days ago) link

Here we go again...

SAN FRANCISCO - San Francisco Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone said Friday that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is barred from receiving Holy Communion over her support for abortion rights.

Cordileone said in a letter to the California Democrat that she won't be admitted to Holy Communion at Mass. The archbishop said Pelosi ignored his warning in April to either repudiate her advocacy for abortion rights or refrain from using her religion to justify her stance.

I thought this had been settled by the Vatican

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 20 May 2022 21:53 (two days ago) link

Meanwhile, banning contraception continues its march to becoming a mainstream Republican idea.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/birth-control-ban-abortion_n_6287a89ae4b01a50ab579e39?ier

this is a short thing on msnbc about christian nationalism. watch one minute in, though. paula white. it's from jan 6. many of you have already seen it, no doubt. but please watch one minute in. this, to me, is really what a TON (it is never all, it will never be all) of white evangelicals are really like. paula white is a very upstanding citizen and her clothes are probably new and she will attend some dinner party tonight and behave more or less "properly", and all that - but when it comes down to it, she wants everyone that is not a evangelical christian to die and go to hell, she wants everyone that is not cishet to burn eternally, and she wants it to happen as soon as possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx8tsompfiM

xp shit, sorry tipsy mothra. to try to connect this to what you just posted, i'll add, "oh yeah, and they want aaaaaaaall the white evangelical babies that can possibly be born to live, even if it means turning their country into handmaiden's tale.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:04 (yesterday) link

i don't watch msnbc (or any other channel) and don't know Mehdi Hasan, i don't know if he's good or not -- he seems good to me, i'm glad he did this segment. i really wish there were more big ol' white cishet americans leading the charge on this. i understand why they're not, because if you're white in this country and you grew up in and around church, you are in an elite club with special protections, and that's true whether you were evangelical or not

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:10 (yesterday) link

watch at 5:55 - this is where it's leading. they will spill blood on the ground, and then they will say that it was will of jesus, all the way to their very last breath, you better believe it.

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:12 (yesterday) link

Yeah, to me the most alarming things I've read have been from people who are either evangelicals themselves or have spent many years closely observing/writing about the movement — people like David French, who I disagree with on lots of things, but who wrote this a month or two ago: https://frenchpress.thedispatch.com/p/the-seeds-of-political-violence-are?s=r

Like, people who actually know this territory well are sending up flares saying, Christian nationalism is headed for bloodshed. At this point I can't really see how it's not. They're primed for it.

Moreover, if Christians know anything about the far right, they know it’s vicious. Silence is the safe course. For all the (legitimate) talk of cancel culture from the left, many Christians self-censor out of fear of the right. They know Michael Flynn is dangerous, but saying so out loud carries a cost. So they remain silent. They stay in their anti-left lane.

The proper response to fear and fanaticism is reason and faith. It’s demonstrating by word and deed that the response even to the worst forms of extremism on the left is not to stampede to extremism on the other side. But we have to know what we face, and what we face is an Christian subculture that is full of terrible religious purpose. The seeds of renewed political violence are being sown in churches across our land.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:29 (yesterday) link

seriously, watch that clip at 5:55. there are thousands of people in that room cheering him on, and many, many more watching at home.

as the host notes, if an imam said anything 1/1000000000000000000000th as inflammatory, you know what would happen

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:34 (yesterday) link

and it is definitely NOT just that one guy. that guy is just a successful version of all the other people that are trying to be that guy. it's fucked up

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:35 (yesterday) link

has anyone here ever been part of a Christian service where they openly talk about the other denominations, politics, and how their name (and Jesus') is being defined and represented by some of the most extreme, dangerous people in the country?

(I'm not sure there's a more dangerous LARGE group of people in the U.S. then white evangelical christians. there are always people out of their mind on an individual level and in relatively small groups. I'm talking millions, tens of millions of people here)

i see discussions of it online sometimes, christianity today articles where they carefully, politely, minimally, and sporadically, mention this giant group of extremist goons that now represent Christianity. is this ever brought up during a sermon? I can only speak to my evangelical experience, which was a long time ago now, was already horrific, and has (as I always expected) only gotten worse and more extreme as time passes. Is there any Christian movement to make clear where they stand on things like White Christian Nationalism? Or rather, since there are always small movements and groups of people who do the right thing -- is there any movement that has been remotely successful to speak out against the largest and loudest voice of Christians, white evangelicals?

Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:58 (yesterday) link


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