"we'll change the things that need changing and that's all we'll change": the paSUKification of post-brexit politics 2021

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— bread and poses (@breadandposes) May 8, 2021

mark s, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:37 (four months ago) link

Labour's majority in Batley & Spen is 3,525. The Brexit Party won 1,678 votes there in 2019. Not exactly a huge mountain for the Tories to climb.

— Max Shanly (@maxshanly) May 8, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:40 (four months ago) link

This thread will follow the catastrophe, every step of the way 👍

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:40 (four months ago) link

apparently Rayner was having a promotion commiserating drink in the pub last night

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:41 (four months ago) link

I think the Batley mayoral results will be out today

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:43 (four months ago) link

West Yorkshire even, Batley hasn't been nominated as the capital yet

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:44 (four months ago) link

batley for capitol, nips for mayor
https://i.imgur.com/xOI6FtC.jpg

mark s, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:48 (four months ago) link

probably loads of stalwarts of Batley’s goth scene that used to frequent the Xclusiv club in the 80's are corrupt local councillors now!

"West Yorkshire's first-ever metro mayor will be announced on Sunday in a seismic moment for the county."

lol the carved heads of 19th century mill owners will crumble and fall from buildings that have been converted into luxury apartments.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 08:57 (four months ago) link

Just assume everything I post itt has the sickos picture after it.

Senior Labour source tells me that when Shadow Cabinet members complained to Keir Starmer’s office about the terrible lines they were given to take to the media after the Hartlepool disaster, they were told Peter Mandelson had signed them off.

— Owen Jones 🌹 (@OwenJones84) May 9, 2021



Also, is this the new thread? Should the other be locked?

Scamp Granada (gyac), Sunday, 9 May 2021 09:46 (four months ago) link

this is the new thread and the other shd be locked, yes, YESSS!!!

mark s, Sunday, 9 May 2021 09:53 (four months ago) link

How can we destroy these good results.

One result of this brainrot is that Khan's final result vs Bailey (55% vs 45%) – better than *both* of Johnson's London efforts (51.5/48.5 & 53/47) – can't be talked about as the positive result it is & that it's *good* that progressive London can register dissent *and* back him.

— James B (@piercepenniless) May 9, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 09:57 (four months ago) link

Keir Starmer is "electable" but can't win elections , he is "professional" but does things really badly - these terms are used by the media to describe aesthetic states , the look of 'electabilty' and 'professionalism', that are unrelated to the actual common meaning of the words

— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) May 8, 2021

nothing that hasn't been said before, but Hughes has been consistently good at calmly dissecting the hot twaddle that the likes of Toynbee and Freedland write about Kieth.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 10:15 (four months ago) link

Toynbee literally said he is electable and if voters disagree it’s on them, satire is dead

Pinefox reviews Reviews (wins), Sunday, 9 May 2021 10:24 (four months ago) link

Small in the scheme of things, but just thinking about that cunty tweet Starmer's people did about Mikel Arteta when Arsenal were having that terrible run before christmas. Hope Arteta has allowed himself at least a small chuckle at all this

would love to see him go head to head with Jez in an Arsenal pub quiz, he'd get fucking skinned.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 10:34 (four months ago) link

Just surrounded himself with these ppl.

Here is Labour's new strategy director laughing at @survation for correctly identifying Labour's surge in the 2017 election. https://t.co/pkaVhOxxPb

— Alex Nunns (@alexnunns) May 8, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 10:35 (four months ago) link

not the first time a bearded prophet was sneered at by a mob of half-witted fools!

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 10:41 (four months ago) link

Tim Shipman has the wrong end of the stick, Kier Starmer’s wife has banned him from playing Champ Man.

AlanSmithee, Sunday, 9 May 2021 11:22 (four months ago) link

It was for his own good, he kept getting Man City relegated.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 11:35 (four months ago) link

lol

Chipping Norton (Oxfordshire) council result:

Lab: 42.6% (+8.5)
Con: 40.9% (-4.3)
Grn: 10.9% (+8.2)
LDem: 5.6% (-10.6)

Lab GAIN from Con

nashwan, Sunday, 9 May 2021 12:10 (four months ago) link

Bananaman: what did KS say about Arteta? I can't remember and can't find it.

the pinefox, Sunday, 9 May 2021 12:35 (four months ago) link

... no, hold on, that was Angela Rayner.

Are Animated Dads Getting Hotter? (Tom D.), Sunday, 9 May 2021 12:39 (four months ago) link

xxp

I'm getting reports that Oxford are also shutting out the Reds

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 12:40 (four months ago) link

Problem for Labour is the realignment is still relatively asymmetric. Worthings are relatively few compared to the much speedier realignment towards the Tories in the north and midlands.

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) May 9, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 13:30 (four months ago) link

"problem" talk is almost entirely poll-focused = arse backwards = why the Labour Party is such a fucking mess now mostly

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2021 13:37 (four months ago) link

Brabin has won so there will be another by-election to look forward to.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Sunday, 9 May 2021 15:29 (four months ago) link

she got 30 000+ more first pref votes than the Tory man-boy, not quite Burnham level but an impressive win for her.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 15:34 (four months ago) link

by-elections are good again

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:08 (four months ago) link

itll be a real test for starmers labour

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:11 (four months ago) link

there is a big Muslim vote in Batley, so a good chance of a lower than 2019 turnout and the Tories to win by a few thousand.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:17 (four months ago) link

if Kieth is looking for a good chippy there is one called Howies that has been there since the 50's and does their own house special "Irish Curry Sauce". Some people might tell him to fuck off though!

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:21 (four months ago) link

I'm sure his team have already briefed him that working class people eat chips - and little else - in advance of any visit to the constituency.

Authoritarian Steaks (Tom D.), Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:35 (four months ago) link

as in Biffa Bacon in the north people just go up to chip shop counter and grunt "fuckin' chips"

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 16:53 (four months ago) link

Just going to cut and paste this great post from plax at the dying end of the last thread
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my sense is that politics and labour in particular is so populated by a huge array of think tank people PR hype men and career politicians shuttling back and forth between lobbying westminster and charity, desperately clinging on to the narrow idea world that supports their careers. anything that really challenges this status quo is the real enemy. The ideals of centrism and neoliberalism were supposed to craft a fairly comfortable niche in the end of history for all these people, the overarching hostility to 'populism' etc I think is borne of this. Anything transformative of this status quo is much more challenging to their position than labour becoming even more defanged than they currently are. I think the vaccillating anxiety around what the current tory government are doing from this point of view comes from the way in which they are obvioulsy both in the business of shredding norms (human rights, 'standards') and fortifying others (corporate hegemony, cultural conservatism).

But yeah I agree that they are deeply uninterested in winning power, they already have the kind of power they are interested in. and I agree that its not some 4d chess they're up to just knee-jerk aversion and hostility to anything that upsets basic tenets of what they consider modern approaches (c. 1996) and can thus bizarrely construct the notion of 'free broadband' as something dessicated and backward. They're sincere whey they say this isn't 'grown up' 'sensible' politics but what they mean is really because it upsets their idea of what it is to be a grown up, to move smoothly through a professionalised world where they wear a suit and say things with confidence. I think the career of chuka umunna is pretty instructive. anyway, i'm pretty sure this is the end of the line for the nhs so there's going to be a hell of a lot of consultancy roles for them to fight over once they've completely collapsed the labour party.

― plax (ico)

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:00 (four months ago) link

A senior Labour figure told a meeting with the leader’s office that Angela Rayner was “dressed inappropriately” on a visit to Hartlepool. She was wearing leopard-print trousers, heavy-duty stomper boots and a hoodie.

nice blend of misogyny and classism getting leaked from the Starmer office, vile people.

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:04 (four months ago) link

Runners and riders for Labour selection for Batley and Spen by-election, according to local sources: Salma Arif, Leeds council cabinet member for public health, is who some believe the seat will be "stitched up" for

— Patrick Maguire (@patrickkmaguire) May 9, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:09 (four months ago) link

Owen Jones tweet, guessing he is probably not just making this up

The reason the Labour reshuffle isn’t happening is because the shadow ministers Keir Starmer’s team are trying to demote are refusing to move, and are betting the house on the fact Starmer no longer has any political authority.

— Owen Jones 🌹 (@OwenJones84) May 9, 2021

A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:09 (four months ago) link

oh please let this be true

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:11 (four months ago) link

it's a bed-in!

with kieth and jenny and the gang

mark s, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:17 (four months ago) link

That's that then. Labour loses control of Bristol City Council, ties for biggest party with the Greens on 24 councillors each

— cryskttlty (@cryskttlty) May 9, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:31 (four months ago) link

Brabin hasn't officially won yet but still

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:34 (four months ago) link

oh they are still counting, lol I thought I figures I saw on my phone were the final count. 90 000 ahead on first prefs

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:39 (four months ago) link

Are these Greens positioned for a real ascendancy or are they a comedy party

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:40 (four months ago) link

the Greens are not positioned for a real ascendancy

Chickpeas, Scamps and Beeves (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:40 (four months ago) link

Leeds 2nd pref results through.

Brabin (Lab): 20,312 (112,624 total)
Robinson (Con): 11,579 (72,248 total)

calzino, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:44 (four months ago) link

greens = 00s lib dems (?)

Left, Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:52 (four months ago) link

What happened to the Sensible Party or whatever the labour exiles were calling themselves,

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Sunday, 9 May 2021 17:58 (four months ago) link

They lost all their seats and then went off to cushy jobs and non-executive directorships.

One shad cab member tells me they'd quite like to know whether it's worth them turning up for work tomorrow. Nearly 7pm Sunday night and unaware if they're invited to tomorrow's meeting.

— Kate Proctor (@Kate_M_Proctor) May 9, 2021

Scamp Granada (gyac), Sunday, 9 May 2021 18:01 (four months ago) link

wonder who it could have been https://t.co/tiMUwBf0NO pic.twitter.com/TR0AZsSUZO

— axaxaxas lmaö (@demarionunn) September 24, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:10 (yesterday) link

I don't see why these other proposals get through tbh

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:11 (yesterday) link

I don't see any motivation for the unions to vote them through but god knows what horse-trading will be going on. lol maybe Kieth will be upping the the minimum wage 10p at a time until they break.

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:17 (yesterday) link

I mean, accept for one minute that fuel shortages are a Westminster bubble issue, and the real man and woman in the street in the Red Wall cab most about destroying the labour left. How much closer to that goal have the geniuses got this week? Not the width of a single pamphlet

— Dan Davies (@dsquareddigest) September 25, 2021

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:29 (yesterday) link

that typo is otm because Kieth was responding to indifferent vox pops to him in Darlington by saying talk to the cab drivers next time they really respect me

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:35 (yesterday) link

The last three Labour leadership election candidates supported by @GMB_union failed to get 25% of nominations from the PLP.

Miliband - 24.51%
Corbyn - 15.52%
Nandy - 14.6%

Are they really going to sign away their ability to get their candidate on the ballot paper?

— Elliot Dugdale (@ElliotDugdale) September 25, 2021

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 10:36 (yesterday) link

https://culturepowerpolitics.org/2021/09/24/keir-starmers-the-road-ahead/

I'm quite enjoying listening to these lefty polprofs discussing the flop Starmphlet.

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 11:13 (yesterday) link

tenant rights and landlord reforms just never comes up at the focus groups

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 11:29 (yesterday) link

BREAKING- Starmer’s deal makes it through the NEC. Leadership candidate threshold will be 20% of MPs.

(25% always sounded like an opening offer...)

— Jessica Elgot (@jessicaelgot) September 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 11:56 (yesterday) link

job's fucked (for any leadership candidate to the left of Rayner) when the rotting ham get's chucked

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 12:11 (yesterday) link

Another Labour left source says "20% is by definition the white man status quo amendment".

as if the membership would vote for Zarah Sultana in big numbers under the previous candidate threshold anyway.

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 12:37 (yesterday) link

Starmer said: “I’m very pleased these party reforms have got the backing of our NEC. These proposals put us in a better position to win the next general election and I hope constituency and trade union delegates will support them when they come to conference floor.”

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) September 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 13:16 (yesterday) link

The threshold for selecting a new leader will improve Labour's chances in the next GE?

I mean, yes but

Mark G, Saturday, 25 September 2021 14:22 (yesterday) link

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/24/a-bit-of-a-mistery-why-england-covid-cases-are-going-down-despite-ease-of-restrictions?

It is looking v good. And surely no 'mistery'?

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 15:57 (yesterday) link

David Evans : " Everybody remembers why they joined Labour. What was it for you?". People in the conference shout JEREMY CORBYN.

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 16:28 (yesterday) link

Lol he totally walked into it.

David Evans (acting General Secretary): " Everybody remembers why they joined Labour. What was it for you?". People in the conference shout JEREMY CORBYN. #Lab21 pic.twitter.com/T2KCDja1Dt

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) September 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 17:00 (yesterday) link

Indifference, inhuman and degrading treatment of young woman in Sodexo run Bronzefield prison. The key question we need to ask is why she was in prison in the first place – she could and should have been kept safely in the community. https://t.co/dPP1sG8A3H

— Deborah Coles (@DebatINQUEST) September 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 20:12 (yesterday) link

Corbyn tells Young Labour event in last leadership election Starmer “promised unity, but instead we are given division.

“We were promised ten pledges - and where are they? We were promised effective opposition, but instead the Tories have been given a free pass time & again”

just saying what everyone else is saying

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 21:30 (yesterday) link

5,000 overseas lorry drivers and 5,500 poultry workers will be eligible for three-month UK visas until Christmas Eve https://t.co/g9bCbEtucP

— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) September 25, 2021

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 22:22 (yesterday) link

So fucked...but it's the future.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 September 2021 22:24 (yesterday) link

let me make sure i've got this straight

- wages are not high enough to attract poultry workers and truck drivers here to fill these jobs
- so workers from elsewhere are imported to do the work
- prices of goods and chicken can now stay low
- so that our underemployed and underpaid workforce can afford them

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 25 September 2021 23:05 (yesterday) link

is this the moment that the remainiacs crew find out that "we need low paid EU labour to pick our crops" isn't quite the slam dunk they imagined it was?

edited to reflect developments which occurred (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 25 September 2021 23:09 (yesterday) link

pic.twitter.com/ZWkTqhfCRf

— ToboBobo (@tobobobo) September 25, 2021

Sorry, but that is how I feel (Ste), Saturday, 25 September 2021 23:09 (yesterday) link

xp

no point expecting any self reflection/self awareness from these fucking clowns at this point in the game

calzino, Saturday, 25 September 2021 23:17 (yesterday) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDSPgorO6hs

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:01 (nineteen hours ago) link

yeah pay more to the low paid workers that you aren't deporting this week

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:16 (nineteen hours ago) link

i’m construing that as a little tip for the UK

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:18 (nineteen hours ago) link

not a good example!

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 00:20 (nineteen hours ago) link

Delegates suspended, prevented from entering Conference, or turned away for wearing Corbyn t-shirts. Rule changes to restrict democratic participation and insulate an out-of-touch elite from accountability. Morbid symptoms of a Party utterly unsuited to the moment and the times.

— Joe Guinan (@joecguinan) September 25, 2021

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 01:09 (eighteen hours ago) link

Asked whether Labour would renationalise the big six energy firms, Keir Starmer says: "No." He adds: "I do not agree with the argument that says we must be ideological."

because Thatcherism isn't an ideology and its legacy will be putting millions of people into fuel poverty while this tool courts Tory voters.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:15 (ten hours ago) link

Rachel Reeves announces an Office of Value for Money

It’s the central proposal of our recent report Prizing the Public Pound

this would be quite laughable if it wasn't imbued with the purest of evil intent.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:19 (ten hours ago) link

Peter Piper prized a pound from the public purse

Are You Still in Love With Me, Klas-Göran? (Tom D.), Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:45 (nine hours ago) link

Lisa Nandy was giving one of them apocryphal anecdotes about a "working class" constituent phoning her with concerns about the public pound and Labour offering too much under Corbyn.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 09:57 (nine hours ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FAFG_b8VkAc1bYR?format=png&name=small

oh it's an old one and this was a dig aimed at Ed Miliband's out of control austerity lite program!

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:02 (nine hours ago) link

Very Serious People

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:12 (nine hours ago) link

there is a funny otm comment in the thread about Nandy: she has the demeanour of a copper telling you a relative had died in an accident.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:16 (nine hours ago) link

NEW: Peter Mandelson publicly backs Keir Starmer's reforms, saying millions of voters "know what [they] mean" and are "cheering" him on.

Starmer allies confident ahead of vote later.

New Labour grandee tells me: "Millions of Labour voters are cheering and egging Keir on..." 1/2

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 10:43 (nine hours ago) link

egging him sounds like a plan

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:00 (eight hours ago) link

this unbridled enthusiasm for Kieth's factionalist power grab is not often reflected in the high street vox pops, nor any public "meet the people" appearances where he anonymously trudges the streets. No it's just most of the PLP and the Graun/right wing media who actually have any enthusiasm for it.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:11 (eight hours ago) link

any of the thin gruel he's offering is drowned out by most of the reportage being about his anti-democratic reforms and also are completely undermined by his rep as a liar. Even The Mirror are commenting on him tearing up his public ownership pledge. Even though he used the vague term "Common Ownership" he did lie to a hustings audience that he would re-nationalise water and electricity.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:29 (eight hours ago) link

because that’s “ideological” apparently. not because they’re essential public services that private industry has been relentlessly cocking up despite lining their pockets with millions. ffs.

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:44 (seven hours ago) link

POLL: Would you support bringing energy companies back into public ownership?

White heavy check mark Support: 53%
Cross mark Oppose: 15%

Via
@OpiniumResearch
, September 2021

he could be even a few points ahead if he wasn't so stuck on the Thatcherite ideology

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 11:55 (seven hours ago) link

but if these millions of lifelong Labour voters dying to flock back to the Party as long as it doesn't offer socialism aren't real then why on earth would the non-ideological centrists make them up?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:01 (seven hours ago) link

🚨BREAKING🚨

Here's the moment Labour Conference 2021 voted to support our Socialist Green New Deal motion and a green jobs revolution ✊ pic.twitter.com/TFLic6B3t1

— Labour for a Green New Deal (@LabGND) September 26, 2021

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:11 (seven hours ago) link

can you imagine sticking your hand up to vote against GND? who the fuck are these cunts?

look on my guacs, ye mighty, and dis pear (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:24 (seven hours ago) link

Very Serious People

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:25 (seven hours ago) link

I was reading the other day that the GMB gen sec Gary Smith is vehemently opposed to GND, the weapons-grade arsehole that he is.

calzino, Sunday, 26 September 2021 12:58 (six hours ago) link

Young people were ignored by @Keir_Starmer when we asked him where he stood on the #GreenNewDeal in Brighton today.

£85 billion is the minimum we would need to create millions of good green jobs.

But Keir won’t even commit to that? pic.twitter.com/k9UHHQRBqe

— Green New Deal Rising (@GNDRising) September 26, 2021

Foul pointless dog turd of a human

glumdalclitch, Sunday, 26 September 2021 13:20 (six hours ago) link

let me make sure i've got this straight

- wages are not high enough to attract poultry workers and truck drivers here to fill these jobs
- so workers from elsewhere are imported to do the work
- prices of goods and chicken can now stay low
- so that our underemployed and underpaid workforce can afford them


Yes. It’s when the Tories apparently clock how Brexit fucks them and their companies by removing low-wage labour and start to dismantle it by stealth. BINO from the other side.

stet, Sunday, 26 September 2021 14:50 (four hours ago) link


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