love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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guess what we're all gnna do lol

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:16 (three weeks ago) link

choked for the madness

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:25 (three weeks ago) link

was this on the previous thread? (= gov.uk guidance on social distancing and protecting vulnerable-people

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:26 (three weeks ago) link

this government is going to be hoping everyone forgets what their original policy for this was, and the crucial delay it caused. let's not forget

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:29 (three weeks ago) link

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/image_data/file/97304/vulnerable_people3-960.jpg

* if one member of your family or household has a new continuous cough or high temperature
** if you live alone and you have a new continuous cough or high temperature
*** for example cinema, theatre, pubs, bars, restaurants, clubs
**** for example via telephone or internet
1 such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:29 (three weeks ago) link

(embedded chart from the gov.uk site, "underlying health conditions" is expanded on at the link

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:30 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-uk-must-ramp-up-public-spending-in-wartime-situation-budget-watchdog-head

Speaking to MPs on the Treasury committee, he said: “This is not a time to be squeamish about one-off additions to the public debt. It’s more like a wartime situation that this is money well spent.”

“The more serious this is, the more blunderbuss the approach. When the fire is large enough you just spray the water and worry about it later. I think that’s likely to be the direction.”

Head of the OBR basically going 'fuck budget responsibility right now'. Except a further search has revealed that Robert Chote is due to leave shortly so IDK if that's just demob talk.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:36 (three weeks ago) link

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-coronavirus-latest-chris-whitty-press-conference-a9405356.html

On Monday afternoon, at a press conference in Downing Street, prime minister Boris Johnson announced some of the most draconian measures in this country’s history.

Well, apparently he did anyway, as that’s what everyone keeps saying, but I’ve watched it back twice now and I’m not sure I can actually find any.

^^^^this this this

Every response seems to be about avoiding liability and protecting insurers.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:37 (three weeks ago) link

Prof Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London and director of the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis, said that while it was not fully understood whether children transmitted the virus in the same way as other illnesses, school closures was a measure that could have an effect.

Speaking to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme on Tuesday, Ferguson said: “From a purely epidemiological perspective we think, with a lot of uncertainty, that closing schools and universities would further reduce transmission.”

Number None, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 12:02 (three weeks ago) link

latest is a draconian international travel ban which isn't actually a travel ban, just more advice with "on your own head be it"

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 13:20 (three weeks ago) link

it's stronger I think - that FCO "advice" is what travel insurance is based on, so if you travel to those places you are not insured. As a result most companies won't let you travel to places FCO advises against.

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:14 (three weeks ago) link

home sick today. just got a call to say that they've made people at work redundant but not me.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:18 (three weeks ago) link

Just seen that Laura Ashley has gone into receivership, my sister in law is a branch manager currently off sick with a bad foot.

Mark G, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:27 (three weeks ago) link

The government’s earlier hopes that it could rely on large proportions – maybe 60% – of the population getting ill, getting better and becoming immune to build up some herd immunity in the UK population are dashed by this strategy, which many experts thought was dangerous anyway. Herd immunity is normally created by vaccinating large numbers of children, safeguarding those who cannot be inoculated. Nobody has ever tried to do that by allowing infection with a disease before – and now, it appears to have been recognised that it’s not safe to try..

Keep reading this paragraph and just... what

Fucking surreal to see swathes of the commeltariat (and the public ffs!) commending them for “responding” to this “new data”. PSA: you’ll never be able to stop touching your face if you’re addicted to tugging your forelock

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:04 (three weeks ago) link

Can’t kiss the ring if you’re too busy licking the boot!

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:10 (three weeks ago) link

lol challenge accepted

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:18 (three weeks ago) link

Sorry to C&P from a random "nhs worker" on FB but I kind if like this explanation (probably because my brain works best with video games and process managenent):

The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A

Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B

The general population / generally healthy can be group C

Group C needs to go about its business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A

Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS

Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus, self-isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community

Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while it's looking after complicated cases in C

As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle

With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:26 (three weeks ago) link

from guardian liveblog:

Islington food bank in north London has announced it is to close after running low on food stocks and losing many of its volunteers who have been forced to self-isolate to avoid coronavirus infection.

The food bank, part of the Trussell trust network, is understood to be the first of the trust’s 426 food banks to close. The trust said no others had yet reported difficulties but it was carrying out a rapid survey of its members to gauge “pressure points”.

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:53 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, fuck.

santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:01 (three weeks ago) link

That's been a thing over here for some days now, too. Supplies have completely dried up due to hoarding in the supermarkets.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:02 (three weeks ago) link

the tory govt for the last decade have always dithered over a full Universal Credit rollout to pull in all the millions of legacy claimants in what the DWP sugarcoats it as a proposed "managed migration". They keep putting it off imo because i/ the system probably can't deal with the numbers without breaking down and ii/ plunging too many people into to such a shitty system at once brings a risk of increasing social unrest and all the extra costs associated with increased poverty. Just my bullshit opinion!

But now there will be millions of people from all the tourism, hospitality/events industries - I saw a list the other day and it's at least 5 million + jobs that will be toast and they can't all become fucking *m*z*n delivery drivers. This is why the Tories are shitting themselves right now and Raab is saying nice things about Cuba. Of course it is a monumental crisis that has landed on them, but many more people than previously or than they ever expected are going to be exposed to how fucking evil and completely inadequate the benefits system has become after ten years of their reforms, fucking chickens coming home to roost time imo!

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

Mutual aid groups already falling into yer leftist org pattern of being both overstructured and chaotic. Had to go from Facebook to Whatsapp to Slack. Still it's great to see ppl are helping each other out.

Hackney foodbank desperately asking for both donations and volunteers rn.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:28 (three weeks ago) link

I was talking about this yesterday; I will stay in as much as I can but if the antibody test was widely available then we would know for sure if we’d had it or have it. I’d love to help out with something like that but it’s so frustrating because of the risk of endangering people, and so unless I get very sick or hospitalised, what do I do?

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:34 (three weeks ago) link

Royal Mail staff union says they have voted to become an emergency service, delivering essential supplies etc

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:38 (three weeks ago) link

They won’t test people unless they are hospitalised or there is confirmed community transmission in the area, right, which latter can only be confirmed... by testing? More like COVID-22 imo

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:41 (three weeks ago) link

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

This strikes me as pretty much impossible and where the whole strategy falls down?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:41 (three weeks ago) link

It's not the most nuanced plan but in big buckets of minimising contact rather than eliminating it I can see it would help to manage the demand.

All probably moot though as it all seems too late to me

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:51 (three weeks ago) link

Why 'plague' and not 'cholera'?

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:59 (three weeks ago) link

here we go

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:05 (three weeks ago) link

Sunak: "This effort will be underpinned with government intervention in the economy unimaginable only months ago"

Says it's "not a time for ideology or orthodoxy". Get ready for some mega, mega spending...

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) March 17, 2020

I'm going to bet I could imagine them a few weeks ago

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

Rishi : 330 billion govt backed loans for businesses

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:13 (three weeks ago) link

he really needs a fucking editor, he takes 1000 words and hasn't got to a single factual announcement yet xp ok 1

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:14 (three weeks ago) link

specific support for restaurants, pubs, etc, and those insured should be covered

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:16 (three weeks ago) link

not a word about people yet

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:17 (three weeks ago) link

3-mo mortgage holiday

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

(for those affected)

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:19 (three weeks ago) link

you'd think COVID 19 was a virus that just attacks businesses after listening to that long-winded cunt.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:20 (three weeks ago) link

"this is no time for ideology" ..pretty much sounded like prioritising our precious wealth creators to me.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:26 (three weeks ago) link

Nothing about people on rent or their bills?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:42 (three weeks ago) link

Not that I heard, it was all about our poor beleaguered wealth creators to my ears.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:47 (three weeks ago) link

such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year

do they not advise flu shots for everyone over there? Seems silly.

silby, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:53 (three weeks ago) link

The measures are necessary because the alternative is a gigantic spike in unemployment and the collapse of some sectors, but the lack of rent measures is outrageous, particularly when mortgage holidays are already on the table.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:00 (three weeks ago) link

Nothing about statutory sick pay either?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:02 (three weeks ago) link

so landlords stop paying their mortgages but renters have to keep paying them rent?

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:03 (three weeks ago) link

"Sunak insisted that an employment support package was on its way, and that he needed to finalise the details first with business and the unions"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:11 (three weeks ago) link

£330m doesn't feel like anywhere near enough.


It’s £330bn tho (no idea if that’s what you meant to type as I can’t think in big numbers)

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:14 (three weeks ago) link

someone is dying and dr sunak is trying to negotiate terms and conditions with them before he agrees to any emergency treatment

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:15 (three weeks ago) link

The measures are necessary because the alternative is a gigantic spike in unemployment and the collapse of some sectors

this is both true and a key reason why fuck this society at the same time

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:18 (three weeks ago) link

many more people than previously or than they ever expected are going to be exposed to how fucking evil and completely inadequate the benefits system has become

This is key

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:19 (three weeks ago) link

Meme fans will be pleased to know that Bambos Charalambos is in there.

Matt DC, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:32 (yesterday) link

_Wes Streeting (Exchequer Secretary)
Stephen Kinnock (Asia and Pacific)
Jess Phillips (Domestic Violence and Safeguarding)_


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i mean by all accounts phillips has been doing good work on domestic violence, but the other two i mean kinnock ffs the man’s an absolute fucking fool.

and generally i think this promote the right push is v v bad as it’s where the next cabinet members (at least in theory) come from.

Fizzles, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:02 (yesterday) link

"phillips has been doing good work on domestic violence"

credit where it is due it is the one subject she is quite authoritative sounding on in a non-bullshitty manner. i was listening to her on 5 live the other week and thinking this Jess Phillips soundalike is talking sense here.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:18 (yesterday) link

He’s out of intensive care

stet, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:22 (yesterday) link

Boooo

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:25 (yesterday) link

clearly fit to work, 2 red boxes by tomorrow night or he should get sanctioned

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:25 (yesterday) link

sanctioned

Usefully ambiguous word, that.

Publius Covidius Naso (pomenitul), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:27 (yesterday) link

No. But it would be nice to be appointed as the honorary Milkman of Human Kindness. https://t.co/CgGf6pX8Qm

— Mike Gapes (@MikeGapes) April 9, 2020



!

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:28 (yesterday) link

Lyrics from a song by Mice, accidentally I am sure.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:30 (yesterday) link

since when did Gapesy do that much self awareness?

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:37 (yesterday) link

More likely former Red Wedge acolyte Billy Bragg, can’t imagine Gapes has a deep knowledge of American indie.

Dan Worsley, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:43 (yesterday) link

Keir Starmer has no Black people on the shadow home office team after Windrush.

— ma rc us (@marcusjdl) April 9, 2020

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:43 (yesterday) link

Corbyn so energised so many bame and young bame voters, that's all gone to shit now.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:49 (yesterday) link

That's a shitty decision, and it's either v stupid or plain oblivious

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:51 (yesterday) link

He’s out of intensive care

I'm sure the big baby really needed to spend 3 nights - or whatever it was - in intensive care.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:53 (yesterday) link

Lol daytime Star Trek getting to your DN

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:53 (yesterday) link

I can hear applause, not for Johnson I guess

la légende d'beer (Matt #2), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:00 (yesterday) link

Also whooping

la légende d'beer (Matt #2), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:01 (yesterday) link

The applause is for me (it’s my birthday)

Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:01 (yesterday) link

It’s clap for carers

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:01 (yesterday) link

I'm a carer and can't hear any fucking clapping!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:02 (yesterday) link

Anyone know if there’s anything special happening? Anyone having a birthday?

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:03 (yesterday) link

oh they don't mean benefits scum on carer's allowance of course!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:04 (yesterday) link

My nephew is having a birthday.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:04 (yesterday) link

it's the anniversary of Operation Weserübung !

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:14 (yesterday) link

it's IDS's birthday

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:17 (yesterday) link

oh dear, bad luck wins .. if you hung on a couple of more weeks you'd be a taurean like me and bizarro!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:20 (yesterday) link

taurean gulag enthusiast cru UNITE

force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:24 (yesterday) link

need gulags more than ever now and it's fun annoying the fuck out of some of our melt-adjacent ilx friends from across the atlantic!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:29 (yesterday) link

I can actually vaguely remember him from small b/w tv memories of the early eighties.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:34 (yesterday) link

You had a Blacque & Whyte TV?

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:36 (yesterday) link

lol!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:36 (yesterday) link

oh dear, bad luck wins .. if you hung on a couple of more weeks you'd be a taurean like me and bizarro!


This explains a lot

- a Gemini

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:53 (yesterday) link

geminis unite

megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:58 (yesterday) link

✌🏻♊️

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:00 (yesterday) link

Keir Starmer backs Mirror's campaign to give NHS coronavirus heroes a medalhttps://t.co/mFfnJNOBb9 pic.twitter.com/41poeH2Ghy

— Mirror Politics (@MirrorPolitics) April 9, 2020

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:09 (yesterday) link

I see the Real Opposition is holding Tottenham Hotspur to account more than they are the Tories https://t.co/Bln9XAkx62

— Clause IV concern (@Mwdsly) April 9, 2020

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:10 (yesterday) link

The British government defended its early handling of the coronavirus epidemic after a Reuters investigation found its scientific advisers were too slow to communicate their growing concerns about the outbreak to the public and ministers.

Prime Minister Boris Johnson initially approved a much more modest response to the outbreak than other major European countries, who took more stringent measures, though he later approved an effective shutdown of the United Kingdom.

Reuters reported this week that the scientific committees that advised Johnson did not study in detail, until mid-March, the option of the kind of stringent lockdown adopted early on in China, where the disease arose in December.

As they watched China impose its lockdown, the British scientists assumed that such drastic actions would never be acceptable in a democracy like the United Kingdom, the Reuters investigation found.

But Patrick Vallance, the government's top scientific adviser, said that modelling was carried out quickly enough to effectively inform Britain's reaction to the pandemic.

"It's not correct that we didn't model it until March. We modelled it throughout February," Vallance said at a news conference in Downing Street. "We modelled all of the interventions you have now seen."

Asked by Reuters why members of the modelling committee said that they had not carried out detailed modelling for a lockdown until March, Vallance said: "I know what happened, and I've just told you what happened, and the modelling came in from a variety of different sources."


wow what a reassuringly comprehensive response

force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:11 (yesterday) link

Just realised it's a Bank Holiday tomorrow lol

a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:12 (yesterday) link

how am i to deposit all these government handout cheques now

force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:14 (yesterday) link

finding that Reuters report pretty suspect

nashwan, Thursday, 9 April 2020 21:18 (yesterday) link

I walk past a local care home every day and see the staff strolling away. Who probably haven't got adequate PPE on site and are going back into the mix. There doesn't seem to be a govt strategy to protect these vulnerable people. It's just a bloodbath that is unfolding, and let's keep clapping though.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:15 (yesterday) link

More wages:

Also, the new Nightingale hospital is hiring for support staff which is advertised at £9.21 an hour which is below London living wage at a £1.54 difference

— edna (@ednamohamed_) April 9, 2020

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:25 (yesterday) link

don't worry I'm sure Kier will be pressing them hard on that!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:34 (yesterday) link

Just realised it's a Bank Holiday tomorrow lol

Maybe it's just me but the days are rushing by - which is obviously a good thing! Though it's probably an illusion caused by the fact I never know what day of the week it is anymore.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:41 (yesterday) link

£9.21 an hour to go into a building with an almost certain risk of infection.

Matt DC, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:56 (yesterday) link

Give these selfless heroes a round of applause!

Matt DC, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:57 (yesterday) link

I’m told my presence here is missed. I just read A Place is Greater Safety and it’s got some really interesting anecdotes about how one might go about establishing a republic that y’all might want to try out.

silby, Friday, 10 April 2020 00:00 (five hours ago) link


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