love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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guess what we're all gnna do lol

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:16 (three months ago) link

choked for the madness

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:25 (three months ago) link

was this on the previous thread? (= gov.uk guidance on social distancing and protecting vulnerable-people

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:26 (three months ago) link

this government is going to be hoping everyone forgets what their original policy for this was, and the crucial delay it caused. let's not forget

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:29 (three months ago) link

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/image_data/file/97304/vulnerable_people3-960.jpg

* if one member of your family or household has a new continuous cough or high temperature
** if you live alone and you have a new continuous cough or high temperature
*** for example cinema, theatre, pubs, bars, restaurants, clubs
**** for example via telephone or internet
1 such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:29 (three months ago) link

(embedded chart from the gov.uk site, "underlying health conditions" is expanded on at the link

mark s, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:30 (three months ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/mar/17/coronavirus-uk-must-ramp-up-public-spending-in-wartime-situation-budget-watchdog-head

Speaking to MPs on the Treasury committee, he said: “This is not a time to be squeamish about one-off additions to the public debt. It’s more like a wartime situation that this is money well spent.”

“The more serious this is, the more blunderbuss the approach. When the fire is large enough you just spray the water and worry about it later. I think that’s likely to be the direction.”

Head of the OBR basically going 'fuck budget responsibility right now'. Except a further search has revealed that Robert Chote is due to leave shortly so IDK if that's just demob talk.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:36 (three months ago) link

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/boris-johnson-coronavirus-latest-chris-whitty-press-conference-a9405356.html

On Monday afternoon, at a press conference in Downing Street, prime minister Boris Johnson announced some of the most draconian measures in this country’s history.

Well, apparently he did anyway, as that’s what everyone keeps saying, but I’ve watched it back twice now and I’m not sure I can actually find any.

^^^^this this this

Every response seems to be about avoiding liability and protecting insurers.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 11:37 (three months ago) link

Prof Neil Ferguson, of Imperial College London and director of the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis, said that while it was not fully understood whether children transmitted the virus in the same way as other illnesses, school closures was a measure that could have an effect.

Speaking to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme on Tuesday, Ferguson said: “From a purely epidemiological perspective we think, with a lot of uncertainty, that closing schools and universities would further reduce transmission.”

Number None, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 12:02 (three months ago) link

latest is a draconian international travel ban which isn't actually a travel ban, just more advice with "on your own head be it"

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 13:20 (three months ago) link

it's stronger I think - that FCO "advice" is what travel insurance is based on, so if you travel to those places you are not insured. As a result most companies won't let you travel to places FCO advises against.

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:14 (three months ago) link

home sick today. just got a call to say that they've made people at work redundant but not me.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:18 (three months ago) link

Just seen that Laura Ashley has gone into receivership, my sister in law is a branch manager currently off sick with a bad foot.

Mark G, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:27 (three months ago) link

The government’s earlier hopes that it could rely on large proportions – maybe 60% – of the population getting ill, getting better and becoming immune to build up some herd immunity in the UK population are dashed by this strategy, which many experts thought was dangerous anyway. Herd immunity is normally created by vaccinating large numbers of children, safeguarding those who cannot be inoculated. Nobody has ever tried to do that by allowing infection with a disease before – and now, it appears to have been recognised that it’s not safe to try..

Keep reading this paragraph and just... what

Fucking surreal to see swathes of the commeltariat (and the public ffs!) commending them for “responding” to this “new data”. PSA: you’ll never be able to stop touching your face if you’re addicted to tugging your forelock

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:04 (three months ago) link

Can’t kiss the ring if you’re too busy licking the boot!

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:10 (three months ago) link

lol challenge accepted

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:18 (three months ago) link

Sorry to C&P from a random "nhs worker" on FB but I kind if like this explanation (probably because my brain works best with video games and process managenent):

The plan is to segregate all vulnerable people (older, ill, disabled and at risk) let’s call this group A

Anyone looking after the older, ill and at risk can be group B

The general population / generally healthy can be group C

Group C needs to go about its business keeping the country moving, kids at school, us at work

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

Group C is allowed to contract the virus and because it’s generally healthy it can cope with it better than group A

Group A and B are almost self isolating without the virus to avoid putting strain on the NHS and reducing the risk of getting the virus and then needing the NHS

Group C (the generally healthy) go through the cycle of contracting the virus, self-isolating and being looked after by healthy family members, friends and the local community

Anyone who has complications gets looked after by the NHS while groups A and B are kept away The NHS are not strained by A and B while it's looking after complicated cases in C

As group C comes full circle and recovers it divides in to groups that take group B’s position looking after group A allowing group B to go though the cycle

With B and C though the cycle, A is free to have NHS to itself because B and C are now clear from illness and infection and hopefully have a degree of immunity from getting it again this season.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:26 (three months ago) link

from guardian liveblog:

Islington food bank in north London has announced it is to close after running low on food stocks and losing many of its volunteers who have been forced to self-isolate to avoid coronavirus infection.

The food bank, part of the Trussell trust network, is understood to be the first of the trust’s 426 food banks to close. The trust said no others had yet reported difficulties but it was carrying out a rapid survey of its members to gauge “pressure points”.

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:53 (three months ago) link

Oh, fuck.

santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:01 (three months ago) link

That's been a thing over here for some days now, too. Supplies have completely dried up due to hoarding in the supermarkets.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:02 (three months ago) link

the tory govt for the last decade have always dithered over a full Universal Credit rollout to pull in all the millions of legacy claimants in what the DWP sugarcoats it as a proposed "managed migration". They keep putting it off imo because i/ the system probably can't deal with the numbers without breaking down and ii/ plunging too many people into to such a shitty system at once brings a risk of increasing social unrest and all the extra costs associated with increased poverty. Just my bullshit opinion!

But now there will be millions of people from all the tourism, hospitality/events industries - I saw a list the other day and it's at least 5 million + jobs that will be toast and they can't all become fucking *m*z*n delivery drivers. This is why the Tories are shitting themselves right now and Raab is saying nice things about Cuba. Of course it is a monumental crisis that has landed on them, but many more people than previously or than they ever expected are going to be exposed to how fucking evil and completely inadequate the benefits system has become after ten years of their reforms, fucking chickens coming home to roost time imo!

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:28 (three months ago) link

Mutual aid groups already falling into yer leftist org pattern of being both overstructured and chaotic. Had to go from Facebook to Whatsapp to Slack. Still it's great to see ppl are helping each other out.

Hackney foodbank desperately asking for both donations and volunteers rn.

Daniel_Rf, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:28 (three months ago) link

I was talking about this yesterday; I will stay in as much as I can but if the antibody test was widely available then we would know for sure if we’d had it or have it. I’d love to help out with something like that but it’s so frustrating because of the risk of endangering people, and so unless I get very sick or hospitalised, what do I do?

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:34 (three months ago) link

Royal Mail staff union says they have voted to become an emergency service, delivering essential supplies etc

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:38 (three months ago) link

They won’t test people unless they are hospitalised or there is confirmed community transmission in the area, right, which latter can only be confirmed... by testing? More like COVID-22 imo

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:41 (three months ago) link

Group B looks after group A and avoids contact with C

This strikes me as pretty much impossible and where the whole strategy falls down?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:41 (three months ago) link

It's not the most nuanced plan but in big buckets of minimising contact rather than eliminating it I can see it would help to manage the demand.

All probably moot though as it all seems too late to me

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:51 (three months ago) link

Why 'plague' and not 'cholera'?

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 16:59 (three months ago) link

here we go

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:05 (three months ago) link

Sunak: "This effort will be underpinned with government intervention in the economy unimaginable only months ago"

Says it's "not a time for ideology or orthodoxy". Get ready for some mega, mega spending...

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) March 17, 2020

I'm going to bet I could imagine them a few weeks ago

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

Rishi : 330 billion govt backed loans for businesses

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:13 (three months ago) link

he really needs a fucking editor, he takes 1000 words and hasn't got to a single factual announcement yet xp ok 1

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:14 (three months ago) link

specific support for restaurants, pubs, etc, and those insured should be covered

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:16 (three months ago) link

not a word about people yet

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:17 (three months ago) link

https://images.app.goo.gl/pvKjMquTAZ2QpZmZ8

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:17 (three months ago) link

3-mo mortgage holiday

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:19 (three months ago) link

(for those affected)

stet, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:19 (three months ago) link

you'd think COVID 19 was a virus that just attacks businesses after listening to that long-winded cunt.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:20 (three months ago) link

"this is no time for ideology" ..pretty much sounded like prioritising our precious wealth creators to me.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:26 (three months ago) link

Nothing about people on rent or their bills?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:42 (three months ago) link

Not that I heard, it was all about our poor beleaguered wealth creators to my ears.

calzino, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:47 (three months ago) link

such as anyone instructed to get a flu jab each year

do they not advise flu shots for everyone over there? Seems silly.

silby, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 17:53 (three months ago) link

The measures are necessary because the alternative is a gigantic spike in unemployment and the collapse of some sectors, but the lack of rent measures is outrageous, particularly when mortgage holidays are already on the table.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:00 (three months ago) link

Nothing about statutory sick pay either?

Matt DC, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:02 (three months ago) link

so landlords stop paying their mortgages but renters have to keep paying them rent?

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:03 (three months ago) link

"Sunak insisted that an employment support package was on its way, and that he needed to finalise the details first with business and the unions"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:11 (three months ago) link

£330m doesn't feel like anywhere near enough.


It’s £330bn tho (no idea if that’s what you meant to type as I can’t think in big numbers)

felt jute gyte delete later (wins), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:14 (three months ago) link

someone is dying and dr sunak is trying to negotiate terms and conditions with them before he agrees to any emergency treatment

ymo sumac (NickB), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:15 (three months ago) link

The measures are necessary because the alternative is a gigantic spike in unemployment and the collapse of some sectors

this is both true and a key reason why fuck this society at the same time

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:18 (three months ago) link

many more people than previously or than they ever expected are going to be exposed to how fucking evil and completely inadequate the benefits system has become

This is key

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 18:19 (three months ago) link

I'd presume Streeting would say 80k + earners is a grey area for wealth tax, because how far does 80k get you these days?

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:00 (eleven hours ago) link

£80k+ is a tax on yr income rather than the value of your assets and its the latter that's being discussed. A wealth tax is more attractive in a crisis because wealth tends to just sit there accruing more wealth whereas income can be spent to stimulate the economy.

It's also impossible to move, say, a central London property portfolio to an offshore tax haven. There's no way the Tories would even consider a wealth tax unless Cummings is really up for a fight with the party, so it's a relatively safe position for a Labour to take given it would have widespread public support.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:05 (eleven hours ago) link

Yeah I know the distinction between wealth/income tax, but does Wes is what I'm saying. He often doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:07 (eleven hours ago) link

I don't think even he would be against wealth tax if he was pressed.

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:08 (eleven hours ago) link

I used wealth tax in the sense of "wealthy people" my bad!

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:13 (eleven hours ago) link

A wealth tax is what Piketty bangs on about, right? Also this guy, who says there are (theoretically) 174 of your billions of pounds that could be raised through taxing wealth at the same rate as income:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/22/wealth-tax-rise-could-raise-174bn-tackle-covid-19-expert-says

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:15 (ten hours ago) link

There's a benefit to the right in people not really understanding the difference, but whenever Streeting pulls something like this I assume he's pretending to misunderstand and is on a "millions of voters love McDonald's" tip.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:28 (ten hours ago) link

lol Brian Cox tweeted some ill-informed shite about the paras, loads of amateur history experts pointed out their record consists of abject failure in the theatre of war and being deployed as armed thugs murdering citizens on the streets of Derry. Brian Cox deletes tweet and complains he is within his rights to talk ill-informed shite and fears he might end up in a gulag!

Are you talking about D:Ream's ex-keyboard player or the actor from Dundee?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:31 (ten hours ago) link

Things can Only get Shitter Brian

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:32 (ten hours ago) link

Thought as much.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:32 (ten hours ago) link

saving privates brian

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:35 (ten hours ago) link

I don't think his charming gf would repeat that comment she made about utilising progressive eugenics to eliminate trans people from the human race again, just because free speech is under threat from the vile twitter mob!

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:39 (ten hours ago) link

She’s his wife and she’s got even worse over the time, as you’d expect.

scampos mentis (gyac), Monday, 13 July 2020 09:44 (ten hours ago) link

Maybe obfuscation is the wrong word, just bat the question away,

Anything that doesn't sound like you're hiding a body in the basement. The content doesn't even really matter, whats more important is the length of the reply. Long answers are the stock in trade of swindlers

anvil, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:48 (ten hours ago) link

"it is what it is"

anvil, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:49 (ten hours ago) link

this fucking country

How is Keir Starmer doing after 100 days, compared to previous party leaders?

Our exclusive polling from @yougov shows voters rate him:

- similar to Tony Blair
- very different to Jeremy Corbyn.
- more similar to David Cameron & Theresa May than Corbynhttps://t.co/4DAH3DDnd6

— Tamara Cohen (@tamcohen) July 13, 2020

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 July 2020 12:59 (seven hours ago) link

voters otm tho i suppose

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 July 2020 13:00 (seven hours ago) link

'another future is possible', it's just that i, sir keir starmer, will do everything in my power to stop it

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 July 2020 13:01 (seven hours ago) link

If Richard Curtis was to write some execrable NewLabour fanfic comedy he have invented Sir Kieth Starmer

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 13:07 (seven hours ago) link

the vote that sucked

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 July 2020 13:23 (six hours ago) link

This is up to companies in the city to tell the workers they have to come in. And what if they don't and wfh is working really well, what then?

PM urges people working at home to look at coming back to work in a safe way

— Nick Eardley (@nickeardleybbc) July 13, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:09 (six hours ago) link

PM to country: “please come get the rona so pret doesn’t go to the wall”

the video for fuse ODG’s “azonto” (||||||||), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:27 (five hours ago) link

Our workplace has already emailed us to go “we have no plans to change what we said already”. Feel bad for anyone being forced.

scampos mentis (gyac), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:37 (five hours ago) link

It's commercial rents that they are shitting themselves about. A lot of companies are going to look at the potential cost saving here.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:41 (five hours ago) link

I know from some friends who work for them that several big companies have told their office staff they won't be back until 2021

chonky floof (groovypanda), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:43 (five hours ago) link

That's my understanding as well. I would be surprised if the majority of office-based companies were back in the office this year, excluding things like call centres and maybe some IT functions. I doubt there are many who want to see a debilitating rona outbreak among their workforce, possible lawsuits etc. And yeah more than a few will be wondering why they're spending so much on office space right now.

It's especially hard on city centre pubs and restaurants I suspect, especially given vastly reduced tourist numbers (and if those don't come back it'll be because we've got much larger problems than a few restaurants closing down).

Matt DC, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:45 (five hours ago) link

Pretty sure a lot of middle/senior management are quite enjoying the thousands of pounds they're no longer spending commuting into London from Surrey or Kent as well.

Matt DC, Monday, 13 July 2020 14:47 (five hours ago) link

withdrawal of furlough in october is a car crash waiting to happen

the video for fuse ODG’s “azonto” (||||||||), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:48 (five hours ago) link

not to mention all those hours saved not pissing about in airports

xp

the video for fuse ODG’s “azonto” (||||||||), Monday, 13 July 2020 14:49 (five hours ago) link

It's commercial rents that they are shitting themselves about. A lot of companies are going to look at the potential cost saving here.


Not exactly going to cry my eyes out for landlords considering how much has closed in London because of their greed.

scampos mentis (gyac), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:01 (five hours ago) link

HIS STANCE HAHAHAHA pic.twitter.com/6a9WkOWxdx

— ACAB And Looking For A Hand To Hold (@Possum_Stan) July 13, 2020

nashwan, Monday, 13 July 2020 15:15 (four hours ago) link

the new Avengers movie looks lit

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:18 (four hours ago) link

omg that is real? lol. he's picked up some power stance tips from his tory friends

calzino, Monday, 13 July 2020 15:20 (four hours ago) link

Why do male politicians look so weird when you take them out of a suit?

Matt DC, Monday, 13 July 2020 15:21 (four hours ago) link

rude

Jeremy Corbyn fan of #TheFall seen here with vinyl edition of the Hex Enduction Hour - take that Cameron! pic.twitter.com/tXEG1Ml9Mw

— Graham Brown-Martin (@GrahamBM) September 15, 2015

the video for fuse ODG’s “azonto” (||||||||), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:31 (four hours ago) link

Corbyn a big fan of controversial racist opening track The Classical

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:42 (four hours ago) link

Pretty sure i'm not going back to the office until Q2 next year, if at all. A consistent theme of corporate comms has been that working from home has had no measurable impact on productivity. The office is likely to become an optional 'collaborative space' rather than somewhere you go to sit for 40 hours a week.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 13 July 2020 15:56 (four hours ago) link

in many respects that's a big improvement to the work world in general, imo

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:00 (four hours ago) link

My work are definitely not expecting us back in, and definitely listening to the people enjoying the new way of life (which isn't everyone*), to the point where when I asked about restarting my abortive move to Scotland they were happy to say sure, we will sign off that you're working from home for the next six months and we don't care where.

It definitely helps that I've been seconded to our parent company, whose European head office is in Edinburgh, mind, so if and when I have to come back into the office there's one there.

* they sent out a survey on it, and it came back nearly perfectly split six ways between "Ideally I would like to work 0/1/2/3/4/5 days in the office per week"

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 13 July 2020 16:01 (four hours ago) link

Pretty sure a lot of middle/senior management are quite enjoying the thousands of pounds they're no longer spending commuting into London from Surrey or Kent as well.

The counterweight to this is that sitting at home means they’re not surrounded by sycophants and minions. Plus half of them are divorced and bored out of their skulls.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:02 (four hours ago) link

Pretty sure a lot of middle/senior management are quite enjoying the thousands of pounds they're no longer spending commuting into London from Surrey or Kent as well.

big downside to this -if it is a long term trend- is just imagine how shit the trains are going to get without that revenue and without that pressure to deliver. or maybe operators go bust and we can start re-nationalising things?

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Monday, 13 July 2020 16:23 (three hours ago) link

i've been using a chopping board for a desk for 4 months, would be nice to sit up straight. plus air conditioning.

on the other hand, i can have an hour's lie in and still get to my desk an hour early.

koogs, Monday, 13 July 2020 16:23 (three hours ago) link

A British pub landlord has put an electric fence in front of his bar to encourage customers to keep social distancing.

Jonny McFadden, who runs the Star Inn in St Just, Cornwall, said there was limited space in his small pub and he had struggled to get the social distancing message across to some customers.

He described the barrier as "just a normal electric fence that you would find in a field".

Asked if it was switched on, Mr McFadden said: "Come and find out - there is a fear factor and it works."

He said the fence was a good deterrent because customers "don't want to touch it to find out whether it is on or not", adding that "people keep away from it, people are like sheep".

Matt DC, Monday, 13 July 2020 18:49 (one hour ago) link

So this COVID outbreak on a 'farm' in Herefordshire leaves Priti Patel's political correctness/Labour council KILL narrative looking a bit shop-soiled - given that there's probably never been a Labour councillor in the history of Herefordshire County Council let alone a Labour council.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-53393255

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 13 July 2020 18:51 (one hour ago) link

and with the tories so doggedly devotes to truthfulness in all things as well, they’ve really painted themselves into a corner here

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:38 (thirty-six minutes ago) link

What the fuck is their deal with masks? Why all this “you should really really wear a mask use your common sense” dancing around just mandating them?

stet, Monday, 13 July 2020 19:45 (twenty-nine minutes ago) link

Saw someone make a really good point on twitter that use of masks should be not only mandated but multiple masks should be given for free (since it's a public health matter), and concrete advice should be given on wearing them.

The research on how effective they are is spotty btw. Social distancing and washing hands is still the thing to do.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 July 2020 19:54 (twenty minutes ago) link

i'm wondering if mandating masks would fuck with their "get back to school" policy in particular, obviously also "get back to work" and "get back in the pub"

Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Monday, 13 July 2020 20:02 (twelve minutes ago) link

Totally is, especially the pub one lol

xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:06 (eight minutes ago) link

There's something about clarity and clear instruction, isn't there? So, even if we believe that lock down was too slow, too late, when we were told to stay at home, it was hideous but also sort of okay. (I know for lots of people it won't have been). But we're now at a point where every message is so confused and messy, that it's strangely anxiety provoking.

And I'm really fucking sick of the "people aren't working" message - life has been exhausting for months and loads of people are.

djh, Monday, 13 July 2020 20:14 (thirty-one seconds ago) link


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